You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by James Godrej <ja...@yahoo.in> on 2010/08/24 04:22:21 UTC
[users@httpd] Fw: failure notice
I tried to subscribe but it bounced?
Is it active list?
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: "MAILER-DAEMON@n10.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com"
<MA...@n10.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com>
To: jamesgodrej@yahoo.in
Sent: Mon, 23 August, 2010 11:17:16 PM
Subject: failure notice
Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.
<do...@httpd.apache.org>:
Remote host said: 552 spam score (6.9) exceeded threshold [BODY]
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
Received: from [202.86.5.124] by n10.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug
2010 17:46:47 -0000
Received: from [203.104.17.88] by t4.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug
2010 17:46:47 -0000
Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.in2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2010
17:46:47 -0000
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 103339.20350.bm@omp102.mail.in2.yahoo.com
Received: (qmail 1237 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2010 17:46:46 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024;
t=1282585606; bh=tD3FkVC1o1GSJnHB3T6w+TMrIZRjWsF6kdxxTp3IgE4=;
h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type;
b=Mv+z9VEruEuhyxTCKjIjBobgjEPNwRWcbFvAVYffbxzfnI0hdSWLhcJ0lnnvbX52C1JDceFkE8qfzsc5LhYYZh1WbfjEihj7FIoML1l3qev1JNjYm1NCRmOAb4MROIUHOL8OaK8NLMvXa3MWp+/crWSFM9pY2w7t14eQTtvV2tA=
=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
s=s1024; d=yahoo.in;
h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type;
b=CuuQsyLGkhu5735hdHzw7a2MXc5nwj8aJKtGjdggWgKFs0EG2T+M1O270mi++NZiffqBZXdpPq42EYRv4ifWJlWDtOYjUcniylGPUPuMDXdUjRpsT9LBbHi/XKHLw6dmDJ6YEaNsq23eN7i4XgeF9cXcV0haJi6H57lxN5SOLo0=
;
Message-ID: <89...@web95603.mail.in.yahoo.com>
X-YMail-OSG: xGoVGKoVM1lp5bgm81YTEEVE50xeQOF6wsz8Ku0i9PtUQKH
.tKZm2B3Km1VllGJDFdL7A8XpTB433BakutjuSMmRMF78AEIPiYNVNioxUgR
iiaUCmuWabiW6RKbpwmWtU_sN.TqgHycPDO5U.k6dkGufyFUyfm8Ytp7x.RW
hsXDwJU3Hnxh4ARZxiUv7J6SwkMtTpaftpgqk
Received: from [122.167.21.32] by web95603.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23
Aug 2010 23:16:46 IST
X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:16:46 +0530 (IST)
From: James Godrej <ja...@yahoo.in>
Subject: subscribe
To: docs@httpd.apache.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-184027519-1282585606=:798"
--0-184027519-1282585606=:798
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0A=0A
--0-184027519-1282585606=:798
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></he=
ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon=
t-size:12pt"><div><br></div>=0A</div><br></body></html>
--0-184027519-1282585606=:798--
Re: [users@httpd] Fw: failure notice
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
Yes. It's an active list. Try sending non-HTML mail.
On Aug 23, 2010, at 10:22 PM, James Godrej wrote:
> I tried to subscribe but it bounced?
> Is it active list?
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: "MAILER-DAEMON@n10.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com" <MAILER-DAEMON@n10.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com
> >
> To: jamesgodrej@yahoo.in
> Sent: Mon, 23 August, 2010 11:17:16 PM
> Subject: failure notice
>
> Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following
> address.
>
> <do...@httpd.apache.org>:
> Remote host said: 552 spam score (6.9) exceeded threshold [BODY]
>
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>
> Received: from [202.86.5.124] by n10.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with
> NNFMP; 23 Aug 2010 17:46:47 -0000
> Received: from [203.104.17.88] by t4.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com with
> NNFMP; 23 Aug 2010 17:46:47 -0000
> Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.in2.yahoo.com with NNFMP;
> 23 Aug 2010 17:46:47 -0000
> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
> X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 103339.20350.bm@omp102.mail.in2.yahoo.com
> Received: (qmail 1237 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2010 17:46:46
> -0000
> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com;
> s=s1024; t=1282585606; bh=tD3FkVC1o1GSJnHB3T6w
> +TMrIZRjWsF6kdxxTp3IgE4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-
> Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mv
> +
> z9VEruEuhyxTCKjIjBobgjEPNwRWcbFvAVYffbxzfnI0hdSWLhcJ0lnnvbX52C1JDceFkE8qfzsc5LhYYZh1WbfjEihj7FIoML1l3qev1JNjYm1NCRmOAb4MROIUHOL8OaK8NLMvXa3MWp
> +/crWSFM9pY2w7t14eQTtvV2tA=
> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
> s=s1024; d=yahoo.in;
> h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-
> Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type;
> b=CuuQsyLGkhu5735hdHzw7a2MXc5nwj8aJKtGjdggWgKFs0EG2T+M1O270mi+
> +NZiffqBZXdpPq42EYRv4ifWJlWDtOYjUcniylGPUPuMDXdUjRpsT9LBbHi/
> XKHLw6dmDJ6YEaNsq23eN7i4XgeF9cXcV0haJi6H57lxN5SOLo0= ;
> Message-ID: <89...@web95603.mail.in.yahoo.com>
> X-YMail-OSG: xGoVGKoVM1lp5bgm81YTEEVE50xeQOF6wsz8Ku0i9PtUQKH
> .tKZm2B3Km1VllGJDFdL7A8XpTB433BakutjuSMmRMF78AEIPiYNVNioxUgR
> iiaUCmuWabiW6RKbpwmWtU_sN.TqgHycPDO5U.k6dkGufyFUyfm8Ytp7x.RW
> hsXDwJU3Hnxh4ARZxiUv7J6SwkMtTpaftpgqk
> Received: from [122.167.21.32] by web95603.mail.in.yahoo.com via
> HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:16:46 IST
> X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950
> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:16:46 +0530 (IST)
> From: James Godrej <ja...@yahoo.in>
> Subject: subscribe
> To: docs@httpd.apache.org
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> boundary="0-184027519-1282585606=:798"
>
> --0-184027519-1282585606=:798
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> =0A=0A=0A
> --0-184027519-1282585606=:798
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></
> style></he=
> ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new
> york,times,serif;fon=
> t-size:12pt"><div><br></div>=0A</div><br></body></html>
> --0-184027519-1282585606=:798--
>
>
>
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com
Re: [users@httpd] Re: how to needed for apache
Posted by Eric Covener <co...@gmail.com>.
> See when some one uses Apache for the first time they are not aware of a
> lot of things.
> The term definition of virtual host itself is quite confusing for newbies.
> What is a VirtualHost and why is that used.
Are you trying to say the definition in the manual is confusing, or
the term is confusing if you don't read the first sentence of the
"Virtual Hosts" topic in the users guide?
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/
> For example let us take the page
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
> that some thing called
> <VirtualHost>
> </VirtualHost>
>
> and in between some other directives are there.
>
> Some one reading the above doc for the first time surely may not be clear.
If they skipped to the examples without reading the "Virtual Hosts"
section in the users guide, and weren't familiar with any webservers,
they would be confused.
You can't throw a dart at an example and fault the documentation for
not rehashing the basics available in other topics.
--
Eric Covener
covener@gmail.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project.
See <URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html> for more info.
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
" from the digest: users-digest-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@httpd.apache.org
Re: [users@httpd] Re: how to needed for apache
Posted by James Godrej <ja...@yahoo.in>.
________________________________
From: Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
To: James Godrej <ja...@yahoo.in>
Cc: docs@httpd.apache.org
Sent: Wed, 25 August, 2010 8:07:05 PM
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Re: how to needed for apache
James,
It would be very instructive if you could provide us with a list of what you
consider the "basic things" that are missing.
Thanks.
See when some one uses Apache for the first time they are not aware of a lot of
things.
The term definition of virtual host itself is quite confusing for newbies.
What is a VirtualHost and why is that used.
For example let us take the page
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
that some thing called
<VirtualHost>
</VirtualHost>
and in between some other directives are there.
Some one reading the above doc for the first time surely may not be clear.
Having said that if some people are able to understand that does not mean that
the doc is really Great.
You do give an example
but among the list of other directives
what is the meaning of word directive with reference to Apache.
Why is a directive being used at all.
Sure there are other pages which do mention what you just said but then again
this is as if
I write a module for /proc file system and ask some one to read
fs/proc/version.c
and ask the guy to find what seq_files are doing and how are they being used.
Some people may understand some may not.
The documentation that you people have does have some technical references.
But I see a lot of blogs forums and links here and there and questions which
newbies do suffer
that included me.
Did I answer your question?
Re: how to needed for apache
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Aug 25, 2010, at 10:44 AM, James Godrej wrote:
>
>
> See when some one uses Apache for the first time they are not aware
> of a lot of things.
> The term definition of virtual host itself is quite confusing for
> newbies.
> What is a VirtualHost and why is that used.
How's this for a definition:
------------
The term Virtual Host refers to the practice of running more than one
web site (such as www.company1.com and www.company2.com) on a single
machine. Virtual hosts can be "IP-based", meaning that you have a
different IP address for every web site, or "name-based", meaning that
you have multiple names running on each IP address. The fact that they
are running on the same physical server is not apparent to the end user.
-------------
That is the definition copied and pasted directly from the
documentation. Please feel free to enhance it, or clarify it, in any
way that seems best to you, and let us know what you come up with.
That was the best I could do.
> For example let us take the page
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
This is the examples doc, and references the main VirtualHosts
document, which defines what a virtualhost is. We can't repeat the
definition on every page, but we can certainly link to the definition
when the term is used. I've added this link this morning.
> Some one reading the above doc for the first time surely may not be
> clear.
> Having said that if some people are able to understand that does not
> mean that the doc is really Great.
> You do give an example
> but among the list of other directives
> what is the meaning of word directive with reference to Apache.
>
> Why is a directive being used at all.
> Sure there are other pages which do mention what you just said but
> then again this is as if
> I write a module for /proc file system and ask some one to read
> fs/proc/version.c
> and ask the guy to find what seq_files are doing and how are they
> being used.
>
> Some people may understand some may not.
I'm at a bit of a loss to know how to respond to this.
On the one hand, yes, we need to define our terms.
On the other hand, it's not at all clear to me that it is the
responsibility of the Apache httpd documentation to introduce to the
reader the concept of a server and the concept of a configuration
file. We've rather intentionally stayed away from being a tutorial on
system management, editing files, or managing your DNS server, and
we'll probably continue to hold that line.
Having said that, no, I don't think I can find anywhere in the
documentation where we define the term "Directive" except for here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/glossary.html#directive
>
> The documentation that you people have does have some technical
> references.
> But I see a lot of blogs forums and links here and there and
> questions which newbies do suffer
> that included me.
> Did I answer your question?
Well, a little. You gave two specific examples, one of which I fixed
while writing this email, and the other of which I'm really quite
uncertain is an actual problem, but I'm willing to see what solutions
you propose for it.
We are, always, very welcoming of actual patches to the documentation.
General "you suck" kinds of criticisms tend to be received much less
gracefully. I'm sure you can understand this, given that I have spent
considerable portions of the last ten years writing the documentation,
and, so, feel somewhat personally indicted when you say that it is
missing "a lot of basic things."
However, I *think* that the direction you're going is that every time
we use a basic term we need to define it, and I don't have any
objection to that position. That's what we were trying to do with the
glossary, and we could probably do a better job of linking to the
relevant term in the glossary when a new term is used in a document. I
don't object to that at all.
> --
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com
Re: [users@httpd] Re: how to needed for apache
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
James,
It would be very instructive if you could provide us with a list of
what you consider the "basic things" that are missing.
Thanks.
On Aug 24, 2010, at 2:31 PM, James Godrej wrote:
> Thanks for the update Williams.But I wont be buying any books.
> I will write some document let my work finish here.
> There are a lot of basic things missing.
>
>
>
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com
[users@httpd] Re: how to needed for apache
Posted by James Godrej <ja...@yahoo.in>.
Thanks for the update Williams.But I wont be buying any books.
I will write some document let my work finish here.
There are a lot of basic things missing.
Re: [users@httpd] Fw: failure notice
Posted by Wayne Densmore <wa...@gmail.com>.
Plain Text??
James Godrej wrote:
> I tried to subscribe but it bounced?
> Is it active list?
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> *From:* "MAILER-DAEMON@n10.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com"
> <MA...@n10.bullet.mail.in.yahoo.com>
> *To:* jamesgodrej@yahoo.in
> *Sent:* Mon, 23 August, 2010 11:17:16 PM
> *Subject:* failure notice
>
> Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.
>
> <docs@httpd.apache.org <ma...@httpd.apache.org>>:
> Remote host said: 552 spam score (6.9) exceeded threshold [BODY]
> .
.
.
>
>
> <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;}
> --></style></he=
> ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new
> york,times,serif;fon=
> t-size:12pt"><div><br></div>=0A</div><br></body></html>
> --0-184027519-1282585606=:798--
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project.
See <URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html> for more info.
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
" from the digest: users-digest-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@httpd.apache.org