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[DRLVM] one more gc
While some works going on to properly integrate DRLVM in harmony build system...
I would like to start development of new garbage collector. I know
about Weldon's work related to MMTk. I am not sure that it is the
right way.
Instead of doing GC based on java, I would concentrate on the one
written in C. I think that the VM written in C (or C++ ) should have
GC written the same way.
I have some experience in garbage collectors (stop-the-world ones for
now) and want to extend my knowledge in this area. That is one of the
reasons I want to make the GC, but do not port the existing one. I
hope I will eventually produce something which is better then existing
implementations or at least a few new ideas.
I would like to start implementing something similar to Train
algorithm, then possibly modify it in direction to Garbage First
collector. I want to create something with high performance and low
pauses. At the beginning it will not even compile. I do not expect
this to be interesting to anyone for some time, but as Geir always
suggests I going to do this in public to avoid surprises.
All required VM functionality (for GC written in C) is already in
place. DRLVM's interfaces for GC is ok for me and should be quite
portable. Write barriers implementation is already in place, suitable
for C-based Gc: (Harmony-504 (me), Harmony-581 (Ming Wu)).
As I don't have commiter account, I going to create one JIRA and start
to fill it with patches. In the patches I will create directory
enhanced/drlvm/trunk/vm/gcx and will start to fill it with stubs and
implementation. I am going to do it mostly at spare time.
I hope this doesn't bother anyone. :)
--
Ivan
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Re: [DRLVM] one more gc
Posted by Rana Dasgupta <rd...@gmail.com>.
Ivan,
Even if the vtable gc data layout change is small and code specific, it
will be interesting to see the change proposal here first, specially if you
are considering submitting it.
Sounds quite promising. 1.5% is not small. Some details of which workload
saw the 1.5% collection delta would also help.
Thanks much,
Rana
On 6/13/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 6/13/06, Rana Dasgupta <rd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Ivan,
> >
> > On 6/13/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >Btw, I have found small performance improvement to GCv4 which can be
> > > >easily added to it.
> >
> >
> > Could you please post more details about this possible perf
> enhancement
> > to V4?
> > .......
>
> It is just very specific code. The layout of gc data in VTable can be
> changed a bit. It gives about 1.5% speed up of garbage collection and
> may also have insignificant performance improvement on allocation.
>
> >
> > > >Well, I'm going to do this development just for education and to
> > > >extend my own horizon. It can be done here or privately. Either
> > > >variant is acceptable for me.
> >
> >
> > Since this is more of an experiment, ( educational as you point out
> )
> > and it is a little unclear immediately what is the value it adds to the
> > DRLVM GC infrastructure, would it make sense for you to make some
> progress
> > offline and bring back your findings to this list before doing
> incremental
> > JIRA code postings? What do you think?
>
> Yes, it makes sense. I want to do a few experiments and the postings
> will at one hand will slow-down me, at the other hand it is of no use
> for others.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ivan
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rana
> >
> > --
> > > Ivan
> > >
> > > On 6/13/06, Weldon Washburn <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Ivan,
> > > >
> > > > Please note that two guys who worked for me on ORP
> > > > (http://orp.sourceforge.net/ ) spent 2-3 years building and tuning
> the
> > > > train algorithm. We could never get the performance to acceptable
> > > > level. Ultimately we ditched the train algorithm and built GCV4 in
> > > > less than 3 months. GCV4 was never finished. I suspect other VM
> > > > builders also experimented with the train algorithm and abandoned
> it.
> > > > As far as I know, there are no production or research MRTEs
> containing
> > > > the train algorithm. Also note there is already a complete
> > > > implementation of the train algorithm in Apache compatible licensed
> > > > open source. Look for orp-1.0.10.tgz on
> > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/orp ). The train algorithm is
> > > > contained in the directory gc_v2. Since the GC/VM interface has not
> > > > evolved much in the transition from ORP to DRLVM, it should be an
> easy
> > > > port. This port would be interesting for two reasons:
> > > >
> > > > a)
> > > > A teaching tool to show why/where the train algorithm fails. Tony
> > > > Printezis and Richard Jones wrote an excellent paper that used GCspy
> > > > to graphically demonstrate where the train algorithm falls down.
> > > >
> > > > Look for, "GCspy: An Adaptable Heap Visualization Framework" by Tony
> > > > Printezis and Richard Jones,
> > > > ( http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/pubs/2002/1426/index.html ). Also look
> for,
> > > > (
> http://research.sun.com/projects/gcspy/printezis-garthwaite-ismm2002.pdf
> > >
> > > > ), "Visualizing the Train Garbage Collector".
> > > >
> > > > It might be interesting to hook up GCV2 and GCspy to harmonydrlvm
> and
> > > > reproduce this paper. This would calibrate GCspy for future
> > > > harmonydrlvm work.
> > > >
> > > > b)
> > > > GC_V2 really stressed the write barrier subsystem. (GCV2 does a
> > > > substantial amount of object copying.) If GC_V2 can be ported
> > > > quickly, it might be a good stepping stone to getting MMTk going.
> > > >
> > > > On 6/9/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > While some works going on to properly integrate DRLVM in harmony
> build
> > > system...
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to start development of new garbage collector. I know
> > > > > about Weldon's work related to MMTk. I am not sure that it is the
> > > > > right way.
> > > > >
> > > > > Instead of doing GC based on java, I would concentrate on the one
> > > > > written in C. I think that the VM written in C (or C++ ) should
> have
> > > > > GC written the same way.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have some experience in garbage collectors (stop-the-world ones
> for
> > > > > now) and want to extend my knowledge in this area. That is one of
> the
> > > > > reasons I want to make the GC, but do not port the existing one. I
> > > > > hope I will eventually produce something which is better then
> existing
> > > > > implementations or at least a few new ideas.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to start implementing something similar to Train
> > > > > algorithm, then possibly modify it in direction to Garbage First
> > > > > collector. I want to create something with high performance and
> low
> > > > > pauses. At the beginning it will not even compile. I do not
> expect
> > > > > this to be interesting to anyone for some time, but as Geir always
> > > > > suggests I going to do this in public to avoid surprises.
> > > > >
> > > > > All required VM functionality (for GC written in C) is already in
> > > > > place. DRLVM's interfaces for GC is ok for me and should be quite
> > > > > portable. Write barriers implementation is already in place,
> suitable
> > > > > for C-based Gc: (Harmony-504 (me), Harmony-581 (Ming Wu)).
> > > > >
> > > > > As I don't have commiter account, I going to create one JIRA and
> start
> > > > > to fill it with patches. In the patches I will create directory
> > > > > enhanced/drlvm/trunk/vm/gcx and will start to fill it with stubs
> and
> > > > > implementation. I am going to do it mostly at spare time.
>
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Re: [DRLVM] one more gc
Posted by Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com>.
On 6/13/06, Rana Dasgupta <rd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ivan,
>
> On 6/13/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Btw, I have found small performance improvement to GCv4 which can be
> > >easily added to it.
>
>
> Could you please post more details about this possible perf enhancement
> to V4?
> .......
It is just very specific code. The layout of gc data in VTable can be
changed a bit. It gives about 1.5% speed up of garbage collection and
may also have insignificant performance improvement on allocation.
>
> > >Well, I'm going to do this development just for education and to
> > >extend my own horizon. It can be done here or privately. Either
> > >variant is acceptable for me.
>
>
> Since this is more of an experiment, ( educational as you point out )
> and it is a little unclear immediately what is the value it adds to the
> DRLVM GC infrastructure, would it make sense for you to make some progress
> offline and bring back your findings to this list before doing incremental
> JIRA code postings? What do you think?
Yes, it makes sense. I want to do a few experiments and the postings
will at one hand will slow-down me, at the other hand it is of no use
for others.
--
Regards,
Ivan
>
> Thanks,
> Rana
>
> --
> > Ivan
> >
> > On 6/13/06, Weldon Washburn <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ivan,
> > >
> > > Please note that two guys who worked for me on ORP
> > > (http://orp.sourceforge.net/ ) spent 2-3 years building and tuning the
> > > train algorithm. We could never get the performance to acceptable
> > > level. Ultimately we ditched the train algorithm and built GCV4 in
> > > less than 3 months. GCV4 was never finished. I suspect other VM
> > > builders also experimented with the train algorithm and abandoned it.
> > > As far as I know, there are no production or research MRTEs containing
> > > the train algorithm. Also note there is already a complete
> > > implementation of the train algorithm in Apache compatible licensed
> > > open source. Look for orp-1.0.10.tgz on
> > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/orp ). The train algorithm is
> > > contained in the directory gc_v2. Since the GC/VM interface has not
> > > evolved much in the transition from ORP to DRLVM, it should be an easy
> > > port. This port would be interesting for two reasons:
> > >
> > > a)
> > > A teaching tool to show why/where the train algorithm fails. Tony
> > > Printezis and Richard Jones wrote an excellent paper that used GCspy
> > > to graphically demonstrate where the train algorithm falls down.
> > >
> > > Look for, "GCspy: An Adaptable Heap Visualization Framework" by Tony
> > > Printezis and Richard Jones,
> > > ( http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/pubs/2002/1426/index.html ). Also look for,
> > > (http://research.sun.com/projects/gcspy/printezis-garthwaite-ismm2002.pdf
> >
> > > ), "Visualizing the Train Garbage Collector".
> > >
> > > It might be interesting to hook up GCV2 and GCspy to harmonydrlvm and
> > > reproduce this paper. This would calibrate GCspy for future
> > > harmonydrlvm work.
> > >
> > > b)
> > > GC_V2 really stressed the write barrier subsystem. (GCV2 does a
> > > substantial amount of object copying.) If GC_V2 can be ported
> > > quickly, it might be a good stepping stone to getting MMTk going.
> > >
> > > On 6/9/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > While some works going on to properly integrate DRLVM in harmony build
> > system...
> > > >
> > > > I would like to start development of new garbage collector. I know
> > > > about Weldon's work related to MMTk. I am not sure that it is the
> > > > right way.
> > > >
> > > > Instead of doing GC based on java, I would concentrate on the one
> > > > written in C. I think that the VM written in C (or C++ ) should have
> > > > GC written the same way.
> > > >
> > > > I have some experience in garbage collectors (stop-the-world ones for
> > > > now) and want to extend my knowledge in this area. That is one of the
> > > > reasons I want to make the GC, but do not port the existing one. I
> > > > hope I will eventually produce something which is better then existing
> > > > implementations or at least a few new ideas.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to start implementing something similar to Train
> > > > algorithm, then possibly modify it in direction to Garbage First
> > > > collector. I want to create something with high performance and low
> > > > pauses. At the beginning it will not even compile. I do not expect
> > > > this to be interesting to anyone for some time, but as Geir always
> > > > suggests I going to do this in public to avoid surprises.
> > > >
> > > > All required VM functionality (for GC written in C) is already in
> > > > place. DRLVM's interfaces for GC is ok for me and should be quite
> > > > portable. Write barriers implementation is already in place, suitable
> > > > for C-based Gc: (Harmony-504 (me), Harmony-581 (Ming Wu)).
> > > >
> > > > As I don't have commiter account, I going to create one JIRA and start
> > > > to fill it with patches. In the patches I will create directory
> > > > enhanced/drlvm/trunk/vm/gcx and will start to fill it with stubs and
> > > > implementation. I am going to do it mostly at spare time.
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Re: [DRLVM] one more gc
Posted by Rana Dasgupta <rd...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ivan,
On 6/13/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Btw, I have found small performance improvement to GCv4 which can be
> >easily added to it.
Could you please post more details about this possible perf enhancement
to V4?
.......
> >Well, I'm going to do this development just for education and to
> >extend my own horizon. It can be done here or privately. Either
> >variant is acceptable for me.
Since this is more of an experiment, ( educational as you point out )
and it is a little unclear immediately what is the value it adds to the
DRLVM GC infrastructure, would it make sense for you to make some progress
offline and bring back your findings to this list before doing incremental
JIRA code postings? What do you think?
Thanks,
Rana
--
> Ivan
>
> On 6/13/06, Weldon Washburn <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ivan,
> >
> > Please note that two guys who worked for me on ORP
> > (http://orp.sourceforge.net/ ) spent 2-3 years building and tuning the
> > train algorithm. We could never get the performance to acceptable
> > level. Ultimately we ditched the train algorithm and built GCV4 in
> > less than 3 months. GCV4 was never finished. I suspect other VM
> > builders also experimented with the train algorithm and abandoned it.
> > As far as I know, there are no production or research MRTEs containing
> > the train algorithm. Also note there is already a complete
> > implementation of the train algorithm in Apache compatible licensed
> > open source. Look for orp-1.0.10.tgz on
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/orp ). The train algorithm is
> > contained in the directory gc_v2. Since the GC/VM interface has not
> > evolved much in the transition from ORP to DRLVM, it should be an easy
> > port. This port would be interesting for two reasons:
> >
> > a)
> > A teaching tool to show why/where the train algorithm fails. Tony
> > Printezis and Richard Jones wrote an excellent paper that used GCspy
> > to graphically demonstrate where the train algorithm falls down.
> >
> > Look for, "GCspy: An Adaptable Heap Visualization Framework" by Tony
> > Printezis and Richard Jones,
> > ( http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/pubs/2002/1426/index.html ). Also look for,
> > (http://research.sun.com/projects/gcspy/printezis-garthwaite-ismm2002.pdf
>
> > ), "Visualizing the Train Garbage Collector".
> >
> > It might be interesting to hook up GCV2 and GCspy to harmonydrlvm and
> > reproduce this paper. This would calibrate GCspy for future
> > harmonydrlvm work.
> >
> > b)
> > GC_V2 really stressed the write barrier subsystem. (GCV2 does a
> > substantial amount of object copying.) If GC_V2 can be ported
> > quickly, it might be a good stepping stone to getting MMTk going.
> >
> > On 6/9/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > While some works going on to properly integrate DRLVM in harmony build
> system...
> > >
> > > I would like to start development of new garbage collector. I know
> > > about Weldon's work related to MMTk. I am not sure that it is the
> > > right way.
> > >
> > > Instead of doing GC based on java, I would concentrate on the one
> > > written in C. I think that the VM written in C (or C++ ) should have
> > > GC written the same way.
> > >
> > > I have some experience in garbage collectors (stop-the-world ones for
> > > now) and want to extend my knowledge in this area. That is one of the
> > > reasons I want to make the GC, but do not port the existing one. I
> > > hope I will eventually produce something which is better then existing
> > > implementations or at least a few new ideas.
> > >
> > > I would like to start implementing something similar to Train
> > > algorithm, then possibly modify it in direction to Garbage First
> > > collector. I want to create something with high performance and low
> > > pauses. At the beginning it will not even compile. I do not expect
> > > this to be interesting to anyone for some time, but as Geir always
> > > suggests I going to do this in public to avoid surprises.
> > >
> > > All required VM functionality (for GC written in C) is already in
> > > place. DRLVM's interfaces for GC is ok for me and should be quite
> > > portable. Write barriers implementation is already in place, suitable
> > > for C-based Gc: (Harmony-504 (me), Harmony-581 (Ming Wu)).
> > >
> > > As I don't have commiter account, I going to create one JIRA and start
> > > to fill it with patches. In the patches I will create directory
> > > enhanced/drlvm/trunk/vm/gcx and will start to fill it with stubs and
> > > implementation. I am going to do it mostly at spare time.
>
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Re: [DRLVM] one more gc
Posted by Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com>.
Weldon,
Thank you, for your interest. The main idea of the implementation is
just education of myself. I wanted to start with train algorithm to
better understand its pros and cons. I didn't supposed to stick with
that algorithm. Moreover, when just starting the implementation I
noticed some potential performance issues. This made me reevaluate the
idea and move further.
Of cause, it is possible to take working implementation or jump into
the best solution, but thus I will make no decision my self and will
not know whole picture of possible solutions.
Btw, I have found small performance improvement to GCv4 which can be
easily added to it.
Well, I'm going to do this development just for education and to
extend my own horizon. It can be done here or privately. Either
variant is acceptable for me.
--
Ivan
On 6/13/06, Weldon Washburn <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ivan,
>
> Please note that two guys who worked for me on ORP
> (http://orp.sourceforge.net/ ) spent 2-3 years building and tuning the
> train algorithm. We could never get the performance to acceptable
> level. Ultimately we ditched the train algorithm and built GCV4 in
> less than 3 months. GCV4 was never finished. I suspect other VM
> builders also experimented with the train algorithm and abandoned it.
> As far as I know, there are no production or research MRTEs containing
> the train algorithm. Also note there is already a complete
> implementation of the train algorithm in Apache compatible licensed
> open source. Look for orp-1.0.10.tgz on
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/orp ). The train algorithm is
> contained in the directory gc_v2. Since the GC/VM interface has not
> evolved much in the transition from ORP to DRLVM, it should be an easy
> port. This port would be interesting for two reasons:
>
> a)
> A teaching tool to show why/where the train algorithm fails. Tony
> Printezis and Richard Jones wrote an excellent paper that used GCspy
> to graphically demonstrate where the train algorithm falls down.
>
> Look for, "GCspy: An Adaptable Heap Visualization Framework" by Tony
> Printezis and Richard Jones,
> (http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/pubs/2002/1426/index.html ). Also look for,
> (http://research.sun.com/projects/gcspy/printezis-garthwaite-ismm2002.pdf
> ), "Visualizing the Train Garbage Collector".
>
> It might be interesting to hook up GCV2 and GCspy to harmonydrlvm and
> reproduce this paper. This would calibrate GCspy for future
> harmonydrlvm work.
>
> b)
> GC_V2 really stressed the write barrier subsystem. (GCV2 does a
> substantial amount of object copying.) If GC_V2 can be ported
> quickly, it might be a good stepping stone to getting MMTk going.
>
> On 6/9/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > While some works going on to properly integrate DRLVM in harmony build system...
> >
> > I would like to start development of new garbage collector. I know
> > about Weldon's work related to MMTk. I am not sure that it is the
> > right way.
> >
> > Instead of doing GC based on java, I would concentrate on the one
> > written in C. I think that the VM written in C (or C++ ) should have
> > GC written the same way.
> >
> > I have some experience in garbage collectors (stop-the-world ones for
> > now) and want to extend my knowledge in this area. That is one of the
> > reasons I want to make the GC, but do not port the existing one. I
> > hope I will eventually produce something which is better then existing
> > implementations or at least a few new ideas.
> >
> > I would like to start implementing something similar to Train
> > algorithm, then possibly modify it in direction to Garbage First
> > collector. I want to create something with high performance and low
> > pauses. At the beginning it will not even compile. I do not expect
> > this to be interesting to anyone for some time, but as Geir always
> > suggests I going to do this in public to avoid surprises.
> >
> > All required VM functionality (for GC written in C) is already in
> > place. DRLVM's interfaces for GC is ok for me and should be quite
> > portable. Write barriers implementation is already in place, suitable
> > for C-based Gc: (Harmony-504 (me), Harmony-581 (Ming Wu)).
> >
> > As I don't have commiter account, I going to create one JIRA and start
> > to fill it with patches. In the patches I will create directory
> > enhanced/drlvm/trunk/vm/gcx and will start to fill it with stubs and
> > implementation. I am going to do it mostly at spare time.
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Re: [DRLVM] one more gc
Posted by Weldon Washburn <we...@gmail.com>.
Ivan,
Please note that two guys who worked for me on ORP
(http://orp.sourceforge.net/ ) spent 2-3 years building and tuning the
train algorithm. We could never get the performance to acceptable
level. Ultimately we ditched the train algorithm and built GCV4 in
less than 3 months. GCV4 was never finished. I suspect other VM
builders also experimented with the train algorithm and abandoned it.
As far as I know, there are no production or research MRTEs containing
the train algorithm. Also note there is already a complete
implementation of the train algorithm in Apache compatible licensed
open source. Look for orp-1.0.10.tgz on
http://sourceforge.net/projects/orp ). The train algorithm is
contained in the directory gc_v2. Since the GC/VM interface has not
evolved much in the transition from ORP to DRLVM, it should be an easy
port. This port would be interesting for two reasons:
a)
A teaching tool to show why/where the train algorithm fails. Tony
Printezis and Richard Jones wrote an excellent paper that used GCspy
to graphically demonstrate where the train algorithm falls down.
Look for, "GCspy: An Adaptable Heap Visualization Framework" by Tony
Printezis and Richard Jones,
(http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/pubs/2002/1426/index.html ). Also look for,
(http://research.sun.com/projects/gcspy/printezis-garthwaite-ismm2002.pdf
), "Visualizing the Train Garbage Collector".
It might be interesting to hook up GCV2 and GCspy to harmonydrlvm and
reproduce this paper. This would calibrate GCspy for future
harmonydrlvm work.
b)
GC_V2 really stressed the write barrier subsystem. (GCV2 does a
substantial amount of object copying.) If GC_V2 can be ported
quickly, it might be a good stepping stone to getting MMTk going.
On 6/9/06, Ivan Volosyuk <iv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> While some works going on to properly integrate DRLVM in harmony build system...
>
> I would like to start development of new garbage collector. I know
> about Weldon's work related to MMTk. I am not sure that it is the
> right way.
>
> Instead of doing GC based on java, I would concentrate on the one
> written in C. I think that the VM written in C (or C++ ) should have
> GC written the same way.
>
> I have some experience in garbage collectors (stop-the-world ones for
> now) and want to extend my knowledge in this area. That is one of the
> reasons I want to make the GC, but do not port the existing one. I
> hope I will eventually produce something which is better then existing
> implementations or at least a few new ideas.
>
> I would like to start implementing something similar to Train
> algorithm, then possibly modify it in direction to Garbage First
> collector. I want to create something with high performance and low
> pauses. At the beginning it will not even compile. I do not expect
> this to be interesting to anyone for some time, but as Geir always
> suggests I going to do this in public to avoid surprises.
>
> All required VM functionality (for GC written in C) is already in
> place. DRLVM's interfaces for GC is ok for me and should be quite
> portable. Write barriers implementation is already in place, suitable
> for C-based Gc: (Harmony-504 (me), Harmony-581 (Ming Wu)).
>
> As I don't have commiter account, I going to create one JIRA and start
> to fill it with patches. In the patches I will create directory
> enhanced/drlvm/trunk/vm/gcx and will start to fill it with stubs and
> implementation. I am going to do it mostly at spare time.
>
> I hope this doesn't bother anyone. :)
> --
> Ivan
> Intel Middleware Products Division
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