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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu> on 2003/06/06 15:18:47 UTC
[math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
Thanks Tetsuya,
I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.
I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get
there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not sure
all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm sure
others have varying opinions on the matter. All good statisticians
recognize variability exists in all populations ;-)
-Mark
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> Hello, Robert and Mark, All.
>
> I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become, be promoted to
> commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
> projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
> In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
> and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.
>
> To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
> IMHO,
> 1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
> 2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
> or
> 3. #1 and #2 simultaneously
>
> These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.
>
> I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Tetsuya
>
> --
>
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
> (Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
> robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the qualities
>>required and i'd support a nomination when and if math makes it into the
>>commons proper) but i think that nominating people for contributions to
>>the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner or later) and also that it's
>>against the spirit of the common charter.
>>
>>as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the sandbox,
>> nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right and
>>exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i believe that the
>>commons can and should only elect committers for its own components.
>>
>>i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination (that we
>>need him on board to make it to release) is not a good one. we in the
>>commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the sandbox. if there is
>>insufficient energy to push a component forwards then there will be
>>insufficient energy to properly supervise new committers. i'd like to ask
>>the math developers for a little patience. i'm convinced that commons-math
>>has a bright future but it will take a little time. i also hope that phil
>>doesn't take this personally (this isn't anything against him personally
>>but against the principle of nominating new non-apache committers for
>>sandbox components).
>>
>>-1
>>
>>- robert
>
>
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Re: [math] Commons Proper
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
Mark,
On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:18:47 -0400
(Subject: [math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz))
"Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu> wrote:
> I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.
Yeah, sooner or later things will all come right , I believe.
Furthermore, (this is just my premonition in good meanings)
I think [math]-developers' ml will be seperated from the commons-dev,
like commons-httpclient-dev in the near future.
> I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get
> there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not sure
> all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm sure
> others have varying opinions on the matter.
O.K. Hope to be promoted soon.
(before the half of the commons-dev subscribers would be fed up with
[math], [math], [math] ... mails ;-)
> All good statisticians recognize variability exists in all populations
> ;-)
I majored in Law in my college days, so I am not a statistician maybe ;-),
but what you said is very understandable.
Statistics will show that the developers, engineers are tend to
be interested and have much concerns in mathematical issues,
in general ;-) ..
# Therefore, this means that the [math] projects will attracts engineers
# and developers more.
Hope to continue to produce good products and to hurry up preparing
the release.
Sincerely,
Tetsuya
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Re: [math] Commons Proper
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@steitz.com>.
Mark R. Diggory wrote:
> Yes, is it possible someone can "rank" the task list, this way I can
> possibly start to focus some of my own dev on some more neccessary tasks?
I will post a proposed ranking later today, as well as a *proposal* for
scope of initial release.
Phil
>
> -M.
>
> Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>>
>> I certainly don't feel like we are ready for a release at this time --
>> and believe me, I am no perfectionist. My understanding is that you
>> don't come out of the sandbox until you are ready to release
>> something. I think that it is best for us to spend our time getting
>> things on the task list completed, deciding what we want to include in
>> a release and doing the work to get there.
>>
>> Phil
>>
> > Mark R. Diggory wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Tetsuya,
> >>
> >> I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.
> >>
> >> I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get
> >> there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not
> >> sure all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm
> >> sure others have varying opinions on the matter. All good
> >> statisticians recognize variability exists in all populations ;-)
> >>
>
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, Robert and Mark, All.
>>>>
>>>> I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become, be promoted to
>>>> commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
>>>> projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
>>>> In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
>>>> and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.
>>>>
>>>> To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
>>>> IMHO,
>>>> 1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
>>>> 2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
>>>> or
>>>> 3. #1 and #2 simultaneously
>>>>
>>>> These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Tetsuya
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
>>>> (Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
>>>> robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the
>>>>> qualities required and i'd support a nomination when and if math
>>>>> makes it into the commons proper) but i think that nominating
>>>>> people for contributions to the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner
>>>>> or later) and also that it's against the spirit of the common charter.
>>>>>
>>>>> as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the
>>>>> sandbox,
>>>>> nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right
>>>>> and exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i
>>>>> believe that the commons can and should only elect committers for
>>>>> its own components.
>>>>>
>>>>> i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination
>>>>> (that we need him on board to make it to release) is not a good
>>>>> one. we in the commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the
>>>>> sandbox. if there is insufficient energy to push a component
>>>>> forwards then there will be insufficient energy to properly
>>>>> supervise new committers. i'd like to ask the math developers for a
>>>>> little patience. i'm convinced that commons-math has a bright
>>>>> future but it will take a little time. i also hope that phil
>>>>> doesn't take this personally (this isn't anything against him
>>>>> personally but against the principle of nominating new non-apache
>>>>> committers for sandbox components).
>>>>>
>>>>> -1
>>>>>
>>>>> - robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc.
>>>> E-mail: kitahata@bb.mbn.or.jp : tetsuya@apache.org
>>>> http://www.terra-intl.com/
>>>> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese)
>>>> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/
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Re: [math] Commons Proper
Posted by "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>.
Yes, is it possible someone can "rank" the task list, this way I can
possibly start to focus some of my own dev on some more neccessary tasks?
-M.
Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> I certainly don't feel like we are ready for a release at this time --
> and believe me, I am no perfectionist. My understanding is that you
> don't come out of the sandbox until you are ready to release something.
> I think that it is best for us to spend our time getting things on the
> task list completed, deciding what we want to include in a release and
> doing the work to get there.
>
> Phil
>
> Mark R. Diggory wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tetsuya,
>>
>> I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.
>>
>> I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get
>> there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not
>> sure all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm
>> sure others have varying opinions on the matter. All good
>> statisticians recognize variability exists in all populations ;-)
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, Robert and Mark, All.
>>>
>>> I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become, be promoted to
>>> commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
>>> projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
>>> In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
>>> and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.
>>>
>>> To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
>>> IMHO,
>>> 1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
>>> 2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
>>> or
>>> 3. #1 and #2 simultaneously
>>>
>>> These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.
>>>
>>> I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Tetsuya
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
>>> (Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
>>> robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the
>>>> qualities required and i'd support a nomination when and if math
>>>> makes it into the commons proper) but i think that nominating people
>>>> for contributions to the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner or
>>>> later) and also that it's against the spirit of the common charter.
>>>>
>>>> as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the
>>>> sandbox,
>>>> nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right and
>>>> exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i believe
>>>> that the commons can and should only elect committers for its own
>>>> components.
>>>>
>>>> i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination
>>>> (that we need him on board to make it to release) is not a good one.
>>>> we in the commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the
>>>> sandbox. if there is insufficient energy to push a component
>>>> forwards then there will be insufficient energy to properly
>>>> supervise new committers. i'd like to ask the math developers for a
>>>> little patience. i'm convinced that commons-math has a bright future
>>>> but it will take a little time. i also hope that phil doesn't take
>>>> this personally (this isn't anything against him personally but
>>>> against the principle of nominating new non-apache committers for
>>>> sandbox components).
>>>>
>>>> -1
>>>>
>>>> - robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc.
>>> E-mail: kitahata@bb.mbn.or.jp : tetsuya@apache.org
>>> http://www.terra-intl.com/
>>> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese)
>>> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/
>>>
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Re: [math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@steitz.com>.
Mark R. Diggory wrote:
> Thanks Tetsuya,
>
> I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.
>
> I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get
> there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not sure
> all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm sure
> others have varying opinions on the matter. All good statisticians
> recognize variability exists in all populations ;-)
>
I certainly don't feel like we are ready for a release at this time --
and believe me, I am no perfectionist. My understanding is that you
don't come out of the sandbox until you are ready to release something.
I think that it is best for us to spend our time getting things on the
task list completed, deciding what we want to include in a release and
doing the work to get there.
Phil
> -Mark
>
> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
>
>> Hello, Robert and Mark, All.
>>
>> I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become, be promoted to
>> commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
>> projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
>> In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
>> and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.
>>
>> To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
>> IMHO,
>> 1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
>> 2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
>> or
>> 3. #1 and #2 simultaneously
>>
>> These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.
>>
>> I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Tetsuya
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
>> (Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
>> robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the
>>> qualities required and i'd support a nomination when and if math
>>> makes it into the commons proper) but i think that nominating people
>>> for contributions to the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner or
>>> later) and also that it's against the spirit of the common charter.
>>>
>>> as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the
>>> sandbox,
>>> nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right and
>>> exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i believe that
>>> the commons can and should only elect committers for its own components.
>>>
>>> i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination
>>> (that we need him on board to make it to release) is not a good one.
>>> we in the commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the
>>> sandbox. if there is insufficient energy to push a component forwards
>>> then there will be insufficient energy to properly supervise new
>>> committers. i'd like to ask the math developers for a little
>>> patience. i'm convinced that commons-math has a bright future but it
>>> will take a little time. i also hope that phil doesn't take this
>>> personally (this isn't anything against him personally but against
>>> the principle of nominating new non-apache committers for sandbox
>>> components).
>>>
>>> -1
>>>
>>> - robert
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc.
>> E-mail: kitahata@bb.mbn.or.jp : tetsuya@apache.org
>> http://www.terra-intl.com/
>> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese)
>> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/
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Re: [math] Commons Proper
Posted by "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>.
I'm starting to use it in my sourceforge project
(http://repast-jellytag.sourceforge.net) for gathering descriptive stats
on simulations. That makes me a user.
I'm also planning a small jelly taglibrary to expose some interesting
capabilities for stats in Jelly.
-Mark
Juozas Baliuka wrote:
> Project must have community to be promoted. Component developed in sandbox
> have a risk to die without users community. I think it needs a few months
> to live in sandbox to prove the community is active (or die in sandbox, not
> in commons proper).
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>
> To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:18 PM
> Subject: [math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
>
>
>
>>Thanks Tetsuya,
>>
>>I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.
>>
>>I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get
>>there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not sure
>>all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm sure
>>others have varying opinions on the matter. All good statisticians
>>recognize variability exists in all populations ;-)
>>
>>-Mark
>>
>>Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
>>
>>>Hello, Robert and Mark, All.
>>>
>>>I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become, be promoted to
>>>commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
>>>projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
>>>In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
>>>and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.
>>>
>>>To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
>>>IMHO,
>>>1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
>>>2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
>>>or
>>>3. #1 and #2 simultaneously
>>>
>>>These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.
>>>
>>>I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Tetsuya
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
>>>(Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
>>>robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the qualities
>>>>required and i'd support a nomination when and if math makes it into the
>>>>commons proper) but i think that nominating people for contributions to
>>>>the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner or later) and also that it's
>>>>against the spirit of the common charter.
>>>>
>>>>as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the
>
> sandbox,
>
>>>> nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right and
>>>>exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i believe that
>
> the
>
>>>>commons can and should only elect committers for its own components.
>>>>
>>>>i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination (that
>
> we
>
>>>>need him on board to make it to release) is not a good one. we in the
>>>>commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the sandbox. if there is
>>>>insufficient energy to push a component forwards then there will be
>>>>insufficient energy to properly supervise new committers. i'd like to
>
> ask
>
>>>>the math developers for a little patience. i'm convinced that
>
> commons-math
>
>>>>has a bright future but it will take a little time. i also hope that
>
> phil
>
>>>>doesn't take this personally (this isn't anything against him personally
>>>>but against the principle of nominating new non-apache committers for
>>>>sandbox components).
>>>>
>>>>-1
>>>>
>>>>- robert
>>>
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------
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>>>E-mail: kitahata@bb.mbn.or.jp : tetsuya@apache.org
>>>http://www.terra-intl.com/
>>>(Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese)
>>>http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/
>>>
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Re: [math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
Posted by Juozas Baliuka <ba...@mwm.lt>.
Project must have community to be promoted. Component developed in sandbox
have a risk to die without users community. I think it needs a few months
to live in sandbox to prove the community is active (or die in sandbox, not
in commons proper).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>
To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: [math] Commons Proper (was: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
> Thanks Tetsuya,
>
> I suspect this would be the path to be taken in the near future.
>
> I think we are getting close, Robert is right, "patience", we will get
> there. But, being mathematicians tend to be perfectionists, I'm not sure
> all of us feel [math] is ready for Commons proper just yet. I'm sure
> others have varying opinions on the matter. All good statisticians
> recognize variability exists in all populations ;-)
>
> -Mark
>
> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > Hello, Robert and Mark, All.
> >
> > I think (IMHO) math project is worthy to become, be promoted to
> > commons-proper. There are many commons-proper
> > projects which apparently are at standstill in their activities.
> > In this situation, Phil and math project seem very active
> > and deserve to be notified more widely and openly.
> >
> > To avoid the apprehensions such as Robert worried,
> > IMHO,
> > 1. Vote for promotion of the sandbox-math to commons-proper
> > 2. Next to #1, nominate, [VOTE] Phil as a committer
> > or
> > 3. #1 and #2 simultaneously
> >
> > These above might be fair and good way for the things go well.
> >
> > I'd love to use the math-product as one of the users eagerly.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Tetsuya
> >
> > --
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:30:05 +0100
> > (Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Commiter Phil Steitz)
> > robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>i'm sad to do this (since i think that phil's demonstrated the qualities
> >>required and i'd support a nomination when and if math makes it into the
> >>commons proper) but i think that nominating people for contributions to
> >>the sandbox will cause troubles (sooner or later) and also that it's
> >>against the spirit of the common charter.
> >>
> >>as i understand it, the commons is responsible for supervising the
sandbox,
> >> nothing more. the sandbox is not a subproject in it's own right and
> >>exists only to allow apache developers to collaborate. i believe that
the
> >>commons can and should only elect committers for its own components.
> >>
> >>i also feel that one of the reasons stated by mark for nomination (that
we
> >>need him on board to make it to release) is not a good one. we in the
> >>commons are charged by the ASF with supervising the sandbox. if there is
> >>insufficient energy to push a component forwards then there will be
> >>insufficient energy to properly supervise new committers. i'd like to
ask
> >>the math developers for a little patience. i'm convinced that
commons-math
> >>has a bright future but it will take a little time. i also hope that
phil
> >>doesn't take this personally (this isn't anything against him personally
> >>but against the principle of nominating new non-apache committers for
> >>sandbox components).
> >>
> >>-1
> >>
> >>- robert
> >
> >
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