Tashi status (was "Shepherding August 2013")

[Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>]

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com> wrote:
> --------------------
> Tashi
>
>   rvs: Tashi looks completely dormant at this point. Despite my repeated
>   on-list and off-list emails it appears that I couldn't find anybody to
>   compile a report. The only discussion that resulted from my attempts is
>   captured over here: http://markmail.org/thread/mveeuubf2fcdmgcw
>
>   Personally I think we need to figure out a path to *some* kind of a
>   resolution here. I don't think Tashi benefits from being an incubator
>   project and we need to figure out how to get it to a different trajectory.

Nice shepherding, Roman.  Thanks for putting in the extra effort to give Tashi
every chance to file a report.

Tashi didn't report last month either.  (I've started mimicing the board and
following up monthly when reports are missed, so this month was an
out-of-cycle makeup).  They didn't report in April or January, either -- in
fact, the last report was filed in October 2012.

I agree that some sort of nudge is needed, whether that results in the new
volunteers or whether there is a motion towards retirement from the Incubator
and a migration to Github.  For what it's worth, Tashi Mentor Craig Russell
noted that progress had stalled back in a note on the January 2013 report, so
I don't think we're jumping the gun.

I see that Craig is engaged in that discussion you started.  (That thread
seems to have stalled, too -- there were four messages three days ago, but
nothing since.)  My inclination would be to let Craig lead the way if he so
desires, but otherwise to send a message to the Tashi dev list that the IPMC
is considering a vote to retire and see what they do.

FWIW: Tashi made an incubating release, and in my opinion any podling which
makes it that far has succeeded.  Every software product has a life cycle.

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: Tashi status (was "Shepherding August 2013")

[Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>]

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Michael Stroucken <mx...@cmu.edu> wrote:
> As one of the developers of Tashi, I would be in support of making space for
> more deserving projects on the Incubator.
>
> Can I make that proposal? If so: I propose that the Apache Tashi incubating
> project be retired.

Please make that proposal on the Tashi developer's list.  Start a "[DISCUSS]
Retire the Tashi podling" thread, and then depending on where the discussion
leads, follow up with a VOTE thread.  Note that it's possible that new
contributors will step forward -- it's happened in the past.

For a case like Tashi's, the Incubator PMC will only take independent action
if the podling's community is immobile and its Mentors either concur or are
unresponsive.  We would rather have the community decide its own destiny.

>> FWIW: Tashi made an incubating release, and in my opinion any podling which
>> makes it that far has succeeded.  Every software product has a life cycle.
>
> Two, actually, with a third one close to completion. :)

I am pleased to stand corrected!

> In retrospect, I do want to thank the Apache Incubator for hosting the
> project, and the community for their help and being patient through our
> troubles.

I hope we meet again. :)

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: Tashi status (was "Shepherding August 2013")

[Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Michael Stroucken <mx...@cmu.edu> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>
>> Tashi didn't report last month either...
>> in fact, the last report was filed in October 2012.
>
> I believe that was the last one I compiled - I know Richard Gass has done a
> few since then, but I think he was constantly frustrated by assorted
> procedural difficulties getting it submitted....

What procedural difficulties exactly?

Submitting a podling report just requires adding it to the right page
under http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ , and in a pinch you could
email it here and ask someone to add it.

-Bertrand

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Re: Tashi status (was "Shepherding August 2013")

[Michael Stroucken <mx...@cmu.edu>]

On 15.08.13 21:22, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com> wrote:
>> --------------------
>> Tashi
>>
>>    rvs: Tashi looks completely dormant at this point. Despite my repeated
>>    on-list and off-list emails it appears that I couldn't find anybody to
>>    compile a report. The only discussion that resulted from my attempts is
>>    captured over here: http://markmail.org/thread/mveeuubf2fcdmgcw
>>
>>    Personally I think we need to figure out a path to *some* kind of a
>>    resolution here. I don't think Tashi benefits from being an incubator
>>    project and we need to figure out how to get it to a different trajectory.
> Nice shepherding, Roman.  Thanks for putting in the extra effort to give Tashi
> every chance to file a report.
>
> Tashi didn't report last month either.  (I've started mimicing the board and
> following up monthly when reports are missed, so this month was an
> out-of-cycle makeup).  They didn't report in April or January, either -- in
> fact, the last report was filed in October 2012.
I believe that was the last one I compiled - I know Richard Gass has 
done a few since then, but I think he was constantly frustrated by 
assorted procedural difficulties getting it submitted.
>
> I agree that some sort of nudge is needed, whether that results in the new
> volunteers or whether there is a motion towards retirement from the Incubator
> and a migration to Github.  For what it's worth, Tashi Mentor Craig Russell
> noted that progress had stalled back in a note on the January 2013 report, so
> I don't think we're jumping the gun.
As one of the developers of Tashi, I would be in support of making space 
for more deserving projects on the Incubator.

Can I make that proposal? If so: I propose that the Apache Tashi 
incubating project be retired.

>
> I see that Craig is engaged in that discussion you started.  (That thread
> seems to have stalled, too -- there were four messages three days ago, but
> nothing since.)  My inclination would be to let Craig lead the way if he so
> desires, but otherwise to send a message to the Tashi dev list that the IPMC
> is considering a vote to retire and see what they do.
>
> FWIW: Tashi made an incubating release, and in my opinion any podling which
> makes it that far has succeeded.  Every software product has a life cycle.
Two, actually, with a third one close to completion. :)

In retrospect, I do want to thank the Apache Incubator for hosting the 
project, and the community for their help and being patient through our 
troubles.

Greetings,
Michael.



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