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Posted to dev@geode.apache.org by William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io> on 2015/05/22 23:44:18 UTC
Spec reviews
Folks,
What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google hangout ?
There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but it
would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
proposed specs.
The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list and
share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not saying
that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs could
be better discussed in a video conference.
Thanks,
--
William Markito Oliveira
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Re: Spec reviews
Posted by Anthony Baker <ab...@pivotal.io>.
Sounds good to me. Let’s do a trial run next week.
Anthony
> On May 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Fred Melo <fm...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> I like the idea.
> Google Hangouts also allow you to record the meetings (hangouts on air),
> which is really important!
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 6:44 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google hangout ?
>>
>> There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but it
>> would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
>> proposed specs.
>>
>> The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list and
>> share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not saying
>> that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs could
>> be better discussed in a video conference.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> William Markito Oliveira
>>
>> -- For questions about Apache Geode, please write to
>> *dev@geode.incubator.apache.org
>> <de...@geode.incubator.apache.org>*
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Fred Melo
>
> Product Marketing Director
>
> fmelo@pivotal.io
>
> Mobile: +1(650)3021360
Re: Spec reviews
Posted by Fred Melo <fm...@pivotal.io>.
I like the idea.
Google Hangouts also allow you to record the meetings (hangouts on air),
which is really important!
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 6:44 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
wrote:
> Folks,
>
> What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google hangout ?
>
> There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but it
> would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
> proposed specs.
>
> The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list and
> share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not saying
> that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs could
> be better discussed in a video conference.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> William Markito Oliveira
>
> -- For questions about Apache Geode, please write to
> *dev@geode.incubator.apache.org
> <de...@geode.incubator.apache.org>*
>
--
Fred Melo
Product Marketing Director
fmelo@pivotal.io
Mobile: +1(650)3021360
Re: Spec reviews
Posted by Xiaojian Zhou <gz...@pivotal.io>.
I think async review is also a good optio, if we can collect enough
feedbacks for the spec.
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Gregory Chase <gc...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> In marketing world, we have two time slots we typically use: US 8AM Pacific
> which provides an end of day time slot for EMEA as well, and 8PM Pacific
> which hits China at 11AM, and India at 830 AM.
>
> I recommend starting with these on an alternating basis.
>
> Alternatively, the PMC could hold a primary meeting at one timeslot, and
> then a shorter recap & comment meeting at the other time slot, alternating
> the primary and recap meetings.
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:51 AM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
>
> > That's a great idea Justin!! +1
> >
> > Once we start having spec reviews, let's rotate...
> >
> > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Josh Fischer <joshfischer1108@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think spec reviews in Google a hangout is a great idea. Can google
> > > hangouts be taped a viewed later on for individuals who could not make
> > the
> > > time slot or is it only available as it is broadcasted? If not, the
> > > rotational time slot works for me.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > -Josh
> > >
> > > Please excuse my brevity, this is sent from my phone.
> > > On May 28, 2015 5:57 AM, "Justin Erenkrantz" <ju...@erenkrantz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:44 PM, William Markito <
> wmarkito@pivotal.io>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google
> > > > hangout ?
> > > > >
> > > > > There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but
> > it
> > > > > would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about
> the
> > > > > proposed specs.
> > > > >
> > > > > The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list
> > and
> > > > > share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not
> > > saying
> > > > > that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs
> > > could
> > > > > be better discussed in a video conference.
> > > >
> > > > Part of the Incubation process is to encourage diverse participation,
> > > > so synchronous communication mechanisms should be embraced only with
> > > > extreme care. If the only people who end up attending are those who
> > > > are employed by Pivotal, then, well, that's just an echo chamber.
> > > >
> > > > With synchronous communication methods, one particular sensitive
> point
> > > > is what timeslots work for folks - for example, I catch up on the
> > > > Geode lists outside of normal working hours. Cloud Foundry After
> Dark
> > > > only happens at 8pm Pacific, which makes it near impossible for
> > > > Europeans or, even, East Coasters to participate. I don't know what
> > > > the geographic dispersion is of folks are currently, but I do believe
> > > > that there are Gemfire communities in Europe and Asia.
> > > >
> > > > In a global footprint, an option that I've seen is that the some
> > > > communities try to do a rotation of their weekly - it will rotate
> > > > through 3 time slots - basically, Europe morning, US morning, and
> Asia
> > > > morning. (They actually do something like US/EU/US/Asia to make it
> > > > slightly more predictable.) And, it's understood that not everyone
> > > > will make every weekly.
> > > >
> > > > Also, Etherpad is a pretty good way to draft the minutes
> > > > collaboratively - the Ceph community has a pretty good process there:
> > > >
> > > > http://pad.ceph.com/p/performance_weekly
> > > >
> > > > HTH. -- justin
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > William Markito Oliveira
> >
> > -- For questions about Apache Geode, please write to
> > *dev@geode.incubator.apache.org
> > <de...@geode.incubator.apache.org>*
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Greg Chase
>
> Director of Product Marketing | Big Data
> http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
>
> Pivotal Software
> http://www.pivotal.io/
>
> 650-215-0477
> @GregChase
> Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
>
Re: Spec reviews
Posted by Gregory Chase <gc...@pivotal.io>.
In marketing world, we have two time slots we typically use: US 8AM Pacific
which provides an end of day time slot for EMEA as well, and 8PM Pacific
which hits China at 11AM, and India at 830 AM.
I recommend starting with these on an alternating basis.
Alternatively, the PMC could hold a primary meeting at one timeslot, and
then a shorter recap & comment meeting at the other time slot, alternating
the primary and recap meetings.
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:51 AM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
wrote:
> That's a great idea Justin!! +1
>
> Once we start having spec reviews, let's rotate...
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Josh Fischer <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think spec reviews in Google a hangout is a great idea. Can google
> > hangouts be taped a viewed later on for individuals who could not make
> the
> > time slot or is it only available as it is broadcasted? If not, the
> > rotational time slot works for me.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > -Josh
> >
> > Please excuse my brevity, this is sent from my phone.
> > On May 28, 2015 5:57 AM, "Justin Erenkrantz" <ju...@erenkrantz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:44 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google
> > > hangout ?
> > > >
> > > > There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but
> it
> > > > would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
> > > > proposed specs.
> > > >
> > > > The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list
> and
> > > > share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not
> > saying
> > > > that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs
> > could
> > > > be better discussed in a video conference.
> > >
> > > Part of the Incubation process is to encourage diverse participation,
> > > so synchronous communication mechanisms should be embraced only with
> > > extreme care. If the only people who end up attending are those who
> > > are employed by Pivotal, then, well, that's just an echo chamber.
> > >
> > > With synchronous communication methods, one particular sensitive point
> > > is what timeslots work for folks - for example, I catch up on the
> > > Geode lists outside of normal working hours. Cloud Foundry After Dark
> > > only happens at 8pm Pacific, which makes it near impossible for
> > > Europeans or, even, East Coasters to participate. I don't know what
> > > the geographic dispersion is of folks are currently, but I do believe
> > > that there are Gemfire communities in Europe and Asia.
> > >
> > > In a global footprint, an option that I've seen is that the some
> > > communities try to do a rotation of their weekly - it will rotate
> > > through 3 time slots - basically, Europe morning, US morning, and Asia
> > > morning. (They actually do something like US/EU/US/Asia to make it
> > > slightly more predictable.) And, it's understood that not everyone
> > > will make every weekly.
> > >
> > > Also, Etherpad is a pretty good way to draft the minutes
> > > collaboratively - the Ceph community has a pretty good process there:
> > >
> > > http://pad.ceph.com/p/performance_weekly
> > >
> > > HTH. -- justin
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> William Markito Oliveira
>
> -- For questions about Apache Geode, please write to
> *dev@geode.incubator.apache.org
> <de...@geode.incubator.apache.org>*
>
--
Greg Chase
Director of Product Marketing | Big Data
http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
Pivotal Software
http://www.pivotal.io/
650-215-0477
@GregChase
Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
Re: Spec reviews
Posted by William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>.
That's a great idea Justin!! +1
Once we start having spec reviews, let's rotate...
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Josh Fischer <jo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I think spec reviews in Google a hangout is a great idea. Can google
> hangouts be taped a viewed later on for individuals who could not make the
> time slot or is it only available as it is broadcasted? If not, the
> rotational time slot works for me.
>
> +1
>
> -Josh
>
> Please excuse my brevity, this is sent from my phone.
> On May 28, 2015 5:57 AM, "Justin Erenkrantz" <ju...@erenkrantz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:44 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
> > wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google
> > hangout ?
> > >
> > > There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but it
> > > would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
> > > proposed specs.
> > >
> > > The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list and
> > > share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not
> saying
> > > that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs
> could
> > > be better discussed in a video conference.
> >
> > Part of the Incubation process is to encourage diverse participation,
> > so synchronous communication mechanisms should be embraced only with
> > extreme care. If the only people who end up attending are those who
> > are employed by Pivotal, then, well, that's just an echo chamber.
> >
> > With synchronous communication methods, one particular sensitive point
> > is what timeslots work for folks - for example, I catch up on the
> > Geode lists outside of normal working hours. Cloud Foundry After Dark
> > only happens at 8pm Pacific, which makes it near impossible for
> > Europeans or, even, East Coasters to participate. I don't know what
> > the geographic dispersion is of folks are currently, but I do believe
> > that there are Gemfire communities in Europe and Asia.
> >
> > In a global footprint, an option that I've seen is that the some
> > communities try to do a rotation of their weekly - it will rotate
> > through 3 time slots - basically, Europe morning, US morning, and Asia
> > morning. (They actually do something like US/EU/US/Asia to make it
> > slightly more predictable.) And, it's understood that not everyone
> > will make every weekly.
> >
> > Also, Etherpad is a pretty good way to draft the minutes
> > collaboratively - the Ceph community has a pretty good process there:
> >
> > http://pad.ceph.com/p/performance_weekly
> >
> > HTH. -- justin
> >
>
--
William Markito Oliveira
-- For questions about Apache Geode, please write to
*dev@geode.incubator.apache.org
<de...@geode.incubator.apache.org>*
Re: Spec reviews
Posted by Josh Fischer <jo...@gmail.com>.
I think spec reviews in Google a hangout is a great idea. Can google
hangouts be taped a viewed later on for individuals who could not make the
time slot or is it only available as it is broadcasted? If not, the
rotational time slot works for me.
+1
-Josh
Please excuse my brevity, this is sent from my phone.
On May 28, 2015 5:57 AM, "Justin Erenkrantz" <ju...@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:44 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google
> hangout ?
> >
> > There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but it
> > would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
> > proposed specs.
> >
> > The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list and
> > share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not saying
> > that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs could
> > be better discussed in a video conference.
>
> Part of the Incubation process is to encourage diverse participation,
> so synchronous communication mechanisms should be embraced only with
> extreme care. If the only people who end up attending are those who
> are employed by Pivotal, then, well, that's just an echo chamber.
>
> With synchronous communication methods, one particular sensitive point
> is what timeslots work for folks - for example, I catch up on the
> Geode lists outside of normal working hours. Cloud Foundry After Dark
> only happens at 8pm Pacific, which makes it near impossible for
> Europeans or, even, East Coasters to participate. I don't know what
> the geographic dispersion is of folks are currently, but I do believe
> that there are Gemfire communities in Europe and Asia.
>
> In a global footprint, an option that I've seen is that the some
> communities try to do a rotation of their weekly - it will rotate
> through 3 time slots - basically, Europe morning, US morning, and Asia
> morning. (They actually do something like US/EU/US/Asia to make it
> slightly more predictable.) And, it's understood that not everyone
> will make every weekly.
>
> Also, Etherpad is a pretty good way to draft the minutes
> collaboratively - the Ceph community has a pretty good process there:
>
> http://pad.ceph.com/p/performance_weekly
>
> HTH. -- justin
>
Re: Spec reviews
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:44 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google hangout ?
>
> There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but it
> would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
> proposed specs.
>
> The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list and
> share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not saying
> that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs could
> be better discussed in a video conference.
Part of the Incubation process is to encourage diverse participation,
so synchronous communication mechanisms should be embraced only with
extreme care. If the only people who end up attending are those who
are employed by Pivotal, then, well, that's just an echo chamber.
With synchronous communication methods, one particular sensitive point
is what timeslots work for folks - for example, I catch up on the
Geode lists outside of normal working hours. Cloud Foundry After Dark
only happens at 8pm Pacific, which makes it near impossible for
Europeans or, even, East Coasters to participate. I don't know what
the geographic dispersion is of folks are currently, but I do believe
that there are Gemfire communities in Europe and Asia.
In a global footprint, an option that I've seen is that the some
communities try to do a rotation of their weekly - it will rotate
through 3 time slots - basically, Europe morning, US morning, and Asia
morning. (They actually do something like US/EU/US/Asia to make it
slightly more predictable.) And, it's understood that not everyone
will make every weekly.
Also, Etherpad is a pretty good way to draft the minutes
collaboratively - the Ceph community has a pretty good process there:
http://pad.ceph.com/p/performance_weekly
HTH. -- justin
Re: Spec reviews
Posted by Michael Stolz <ms...@pivotal.io>.
I like it. Lets try that
--
Mike Stolz
Principal Technical Account Manager
Mobile: 631-835-4771
On May 22, 2015 5:47 PM, "Roman Shaposhnik" <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> Awesome idea! In fact, would there be any appetite for
> doing weekly hangouts for the community? We can have
> a rolling agenda for them that would start with spec
> presentations/discussions.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 2:44 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google
> hangout ?
> >
> > There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but it
> > would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
> > proposed specs.
> >
> > The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list and
> > share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not saying
> > that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs could
> > be better discussed in a video conference.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > William Markito Oliveira
> >
> > -- For questions about Apache Geode, please write to
> > *dev@geode.incubator.apache.org
> > <de...@geode.incubator.apache.org>*
>
Re: Spec reviews
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
Awesome idea! In fact, would there be any appetite for
doing weekly hangouts for the community? We can have
a rolling agenda for them that would start with spec
presentations/discussions.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Roman.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 2:44 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> What do you think about doing some spec reviews through Google hangout ?
>
> There are some JIRAs open that will have some specs attached but it
> would also be nice if we had some discussions/presentations about the
> proposed specs.
>
> The idea would be to announce the hangouts here on the dev list and
> share the notes after the meeting on the list as well. That's not saying
> that discussions won't happen on the list, but just that some specs could
> be better discussed in a video conference.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> William Markito Oliveira
>
> -- For questions about Apache Geode, please write to
> *dev@geode.incubator.apache.org
> <de...@geode.incubator.apache.org>*