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[DISCUSSION] Do we have any ideas, initiatives or tools to help non English speakers contribute to ASF projects?
Hi All
Recently I heard about an incident where a potential contributor wanted to contribute something to an ASF project but had found it difficult to interact because of the language barrier. They had very limited English skills.
I'd like to start a discussion to get some ideas around what we could do in general to encourage or help people who may find it hard to become involved at the ASF because of language.
I seem to remember that the latest ASF D&I Survey had some findings around language confidence and that it had sometimes acted as a barrier for new contributors. Do we have any plans, initiatives or existing tools that could help with this?. It would be great to get some feedback from anyone that has experienced this language barrier and discuss what could be done to improve the situation and help others.
Does anyone have any comments, suggestions or ideas? I'd like to hear them. Please join the conversation and let's see what can be done.
Thanks
Sharan
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Do we have any ideas, initiatives or tools to help
non English speakers contribute to ASF projects?
Posted by Phillip Tröller <hy...@gmail.com>.
Hey, i dont even know if im doing this right but here is my story. Or actually the missing story is the interesting part. Ill make it short, because im not prepared for this message.
I "worked" the last 2 weeks (and 5 years before that) on a topic that HUGELY involves language AI and ... me.
Long story short:
Based on my EXPERIENCE which is neither written down nor scientific i would maybe start to think out of the box/scope/policies and start working on !unifying, all that bad worded but heighly valuable contant! In a (new) language that everybody understands, if he just stays a while and listens.
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Hi Willem
Sorry for the delayed response - and thanks very much for the feedback.
The ALC have been an excellent way to reach out the different communities around the world in their local language, and I think this will always be a very strong way to attract new people. Unfortunately the pandemic has stopped in person events and meetups, but keeping the communication active via Podcasts etc as you are doing will definitely help.
Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, and it is also good to see how you are working to mix the languages to reach even more people. It is great to see how people are trying different steps to improve the experience for others :-)
I think the online format of ApacheCon has given us more flexibility and options for having sessions in other languages - and (Rich please correct me if I am wrong:-) my understanding is that the HopIn platform used for ApacheCon could be made available to projects who want to hold a project specific online event. That means that projects with communities that have multiple languages could possibly look at staging smaller targeted multi language events.
Thanks again for sharing!
Sharan
On 2021/08/29 23:52:53, Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sharan,
>
> Thanks for bring this top up. It's a common case that we are facing
> for the Apache projects from China.
> In the yesterday's ALC Beijing Podcast[1] recording, we have the
> similar disussion when talking about build up the community in ASF.
> The solution could be leveraging the free translation services[2][3]
> to compose the questions or check the answers, and we are also try to
> build the local community by encouraging voluteers to translate the
> policy documentations[4].
>
> Using English in the Open Source world could help us get touch with
> more audices, we are try our best to encourage the contributor to use
> English when they are writing emails, have public discussion in github
> issues.
>
> When we hold the local meetup we prefer to use Chinese, but when we
> talk about the issue and PRs we perfer to use English.
> In ApacheCon Asia 2021[5]，we got 50% Chinese sessions and 50% English
> sessions and we have the Chinese version of website to open up the
> local market, I think this is banlance we choose now.
>
> [1]https://www.ximalaya.com/keji/37853515/
> [2]https://www.deepl.com/
> [3]https://translate.google.com
> [4]https://github.com/alc-beijing/translation
> [5]https://www.apachecon.com/acasia2021/
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 1:13 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Recently I heard about an incident where a potential contributor wanted to contribute something to an ASF project but had found it difficult to interact because of the language barrier. They had very limited English skills.
> >
> > I'd like to start a discussion to get some ideas around what we could do in general to encourage or help people who may find it hard to become involved at the ASF because of language.
> >
> > I seem to remember that the latest ASF D&I Survey had some findings around language confidence and that it had sometimes acted as a barrier for new contributors. Do we have any plans, initiatives or existing tools that could help with this?. It would be great to get some feedback from anyone that has experienced this language barrier and discuss what could be done to improve the situation and help others.
> >
> > Does anyone have any comments, suggestions or ideas? I'd like to hear them. Please join the conversation and let's see what can be done.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Do we have any ideas, initiatives or tools to help non English speakers contribute to ASF projects?
Posted by Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org>.
Hi Willem
Sorry for the delayed response - and thanks very much for the feedback.
The ALC have been an excellent way to reach out the different communities around the world in their local language, and I think this will always be a very strong way to attract new people. Unfortunately the pandemic has stopped in person events and meetups, but keeping the communication active via Podcasts etc as you are doing will definitely help.
Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, and it is also good to see how you are working to mix the languages to reach even more people. It is great to see how people are trying different steps to improve the experience for others :-)
I think the online format of ApacheCon has given us more flexibility and options for having sessions in other languages - and (Rich please correct me if I am wrong:-) my understanding is that the HopIn platform used for ApacheCon could be made available to projects who want to hold a project specific online event. That means that projects with communities that have multiple languages could possibly look at staging smaller targeted multi language events.
Thanks again for sharing!
Sharan
On 2021/08/29 23:52:53, Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sharan,
>
> Thanks for bring this top up. It's a common case that we are facing
> for the Apache projects from China.
> In the yesterday's ALC Beijing Podcast[1] recording, we have the
> similar disussion when talking about build up the community in ASF.
> The solution could be leveraging the free translation services[2][3]
> to compose the questions or check the answers, and we are also try to
> build the local community by encouraging voluteers to translate the
> policy documentations[4].
>
> Using English in the Open Source world could help us get touch with
> more audices, we are try our best to encourage the contributor to use
> English when they are writing emails, have public discussion in github
> issues.
>
> When we hold the local meetup we prefer to use Chinese, but when we
> talk about the issue and PRs we perfer to use English.
> In ApacheCon Asia 2021[5]，we got 50% Chinese sessions and 50% English
> sessions and we have the Chinese version of website to open up the
> local market, I think this is banlance we choose now.
>
> [1]https://www.ximalaya.com/keji/37853515/
> [2]https://www.deepl.com/
> [3]https://translate.google.com
> [4]https://github.com/alc-beijing/translation
> [5]https://www.apachecon.com/acasia2021/
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 1:13 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Recently I heard about an incident where a potential contributor wanted to contribute something to an ASF project but had found it difficult to interact because of the language barrier. They had very limited English skills.
> >
> > I'd like to start a discussion to get some ideas around what we could do in general to encourage or help people who may find it hard to become involved at the ASF because of language.
> >
> > I seem to remember that the latest ASF D&I Survey had some findings around language confidence and that it had sometimes acted as a barrier for new contributors. Do we have any plans, initiatives or existing tools that could help with this?. It would be great to get some feedback from anyone that has experienced this language barrier and discuss what could be done to improve the situation and help others.
> >
> > Does anyone have any comments, suggestions or ideas? I'd like to hear them. Please join the conversation and let's see what can be done.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> >
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Do we have any ideas, initiatives or tools to help
non English speakers contribute to ASF projects?
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Sharan,
Thanks for bring this top up. It's a common case that we are facing
for the Apache projects from China.
In the yesterday's ALC Beijing Podcast[1] recording, we have the
similar disussion when talking about build up the community in ASF.
The solution could be leveraging the free translation services[2][3]
to compose the questions or check the answers, and we are also try to
build the local community by encouraging voluteers to translate the
policy documentations[4].
Using English in the Open Source world could help us get touch with
more audices, we are try our best to encourage the contributor to use
English when they are writing emails, have public discussion in github
issues.
When we hold the local meetup we prefer to use Chinese, but when we
talk about the issue and PRs we perfer to use English.
In ApacheCon Asia 2021[5]，we got 50% Chinese sessions and 50% English
sessions and we have the Chinese version of website to open up the
local market, I think this is banlance we choose now.
[1]https://www.ximalaya.com/keji/37853515/
[2]https://www.deepl.com/
[3]https://translate.google.com
[4]https://github.com/alc-beijing/translation
[5]https://www.apachecon.com/acasia2021/
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 1:13 AM Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Recently I heard about an incident where a potential contributor wanted to contribute something to an ASF project but had found it difficult to interact because of the language barrier. They had very limited English skills.
>
> I'd like to start a discussion to get some ideas around what we could do in general to encourage or help people who may find it hard to become involved at the ASF because of language.
>
> I seem to remember that the latest ASF D&I Survey had some findings around language confidence and that it had sometimes acted as a barrier for new contributors. Do we have any plans, initiatives or existing tools that could help with this?. It would be great to get some feedback from anyone that has experienced this language barrier and discuss what could be done to improve the situation and help others.
>
> Does anyone have any comments, suggestions or ideas? I'd like to hear them. Please join the conversation and let's see what can be done.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
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