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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> on 2017/11/25 22:52:39 UTC
JDK & JavaFX versions
Hi all,
Would it be ok to use Java 8 for NetBeans sources? Or is there a maximum
version? Can we count on JavaFX being installed for the IDE to run?
AFAIK JavaFX is not a requirement but, should it be?
Thanks,
Antonio
Re: AW: JDK & JavaFX versions
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
El 26/11/17 a las 19:06, Christian Lenz escribió:
> I don’t know it exactly, but as you can see it here: https://github.com/Chris2011/NbScratchFile/blob/develop/src/main/resources/org/chrisle/netbeans/plugins/utils/WebViewDialog.java#L30 I use the javaFX webview to add it into a JDialog, to create the UI with HTML5. But I can’t remember, that I had to install JavaFX seperately. Maybe I’m wrong but it is a dependency, which Comes with my plugin afaik.
>
I think Oracle's JDK bundles JavaFX by default in most popular
platforms. That may be your case.
>
> Von: Neil C Smith
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 19:01
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: JDK & JavaFX versions
> > [...]
> I would really like us not to have a hard dependency on JavaFX, at least
> for the foreseeable future. Lots of places it's not guaranteed to be
> available.
+1
Re: JDK & JavaFX versions
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 6:06 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> I don’t know it exactly, but as you can see it here:
> https://github.com/Chris2011/NbScratchFile/blob/develop/src/main/resources/org/chrisle/netbeans/plugins/utils/WebViewDialog.java#L30
> I use the javaFX webview to add it into a JDialog, to create the UI with
> HTML5. But I can’t remember, that I had to install JavaFX seperately. Maybe
> I’m wrong but it is a dependency, which Comes with my plugin afaik.
>
>
Yes, but that means it doesn't work at all where there's no JavaFX. My
understanding of html4j is that whether embedded internally (JavaFX) or
launched in an external browser (no JavaFX) it could still interact with
the IDE via a common API?
Best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
AW: JDK & JavaFX versions
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
I don’t know it exactly, but as you can see it here: https://github.com/Chris2011/NbScratchFile/blob/develop/src/main/resources/org/chrisle/netbeans/plugins/utils/WebViewDialog.java#L30 I use the javaFX webview to add it into a JDialog, to create the UI with HTML5. But I can’t remember, that I had to install JavaFX seperately. Maybe I’m wrong but it is a dependency, which Comes with my plugin afaik.
Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 19:01
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: JDK & JavaFX versions
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:10 AM Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> This includes most Debian users (OpenJFX is packaged separately from the
> OpenJDK), and maybe most Ubuntu users (I don't know if OpenJFX is
> installed by default with OpenJDK).
>
Answering in reverse, no OpenJFX isn't installed, or even recommended or
suggested, when installing OpenJDK on Ubuntu (16.04). It's not part of
OpenJDK so I wouldn't expect differently ...
Of course I'd love to use WebViews in NetBeans. But if we build the
> landing page as a WebView then those users that have no JavaFX installed
> won't be able to see it.
>
I would really like us not to have a hard dependency on JavaFX, at least
for the foreseeable future. Lots of places it's not guaranteed to be
available.
However, I can see the merits for the start page. I may be wrong, but
would not the start page be a good showcase for html4j? Embed the JavaFX
Webview if available, load in an external browser if not? Could be
automatic, or probably a banner image fallback with click to launch?
> El 26/11/17 a las 08:18, Emilian Bold escribió:
> > JavaFX doesn't exist on some platforms like the Raspberry PI ARM builds
> so I'm not certain it's good to rely on right now. "Pretty soon" though
> OracleJDK will merge into OpenJDK so I assume this means most JavaFX bits
> will land in OpenJDK proper?
>
It would surprise me if that changed the situation at all - anything
concrete to back that up?
Best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: JDK & JavaFX versions
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
>>"Pretty soon" though
>> OracleJDK will merge into OpenJDK so I assume this means most JavaFX bits
>> will land in OpenJDK proper?
>It would surprise me if that changed the situation at all - anything
> concrete to back that up?
Nothing concrete. I just assume that since OracleJDK has JavaFX everywhere OpenJDK will also have it in a few years.
--emi
Re: JDK & JavaFX versions
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:10 AM Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> This includes most Debian users (OpenJFX is packaged separately from the
> OpenJDK), and maybe most Ubuntu users (I don't know if OpenJFX is
> installed by default with OpenJDK).
>
Answering in reverse, no OpenJFX isn't installed, or even recommended or
suggested, when installing OpenJDK on Ubuntu (16.04). It's not part of
OpenJDK so I wouldn't expect differently ...
Of course I'd love to use WebViews in NetBeans. But if we build the
> landing page as a WebView then those users that have no JavaFX installed
> won't be able to see it.
>
I would really like us not to have a hard dependency on JavaFX, at least
for the foreseeable future. Lots of places it's not guaranteed to be
available.
However, I can see the merits for the start page. I may be wrong, but
would not the start page be a good showcase for html4j? Embed the JavaFX
Webview if available, load in an external browser if not? Could be
automatic, or probably a banner image fallback with click to launch?
> El 26/11/17 a las 08:18, Emilian Bold escribió:
> > JavaFX doesn't exist on some platforms like the Raspberry PI ARM builds
> so I'm not certain it's good to rely on right now. "Pretty soon" though
> OracleJDK will merge into OpenJDK so I assume this means most JavaFX bits
> will land in OpenJDK proper?
>
It would surprise me if that changed the situation at all - anything
concrete to back that up?
Best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: JDK & JavaFX versions
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
I was asking because of issue #18.
Of course I'd love to use WebViews in NetBeans. But if we build the
landing page as a WebView then those users that have no JavaFX installed
won't be able to see it.
This includes most Debian users (OpenJFX is packaged separately from the
OpenJDK), and maybe most Ubuntu users (I don't know if OpenJFX is
installed by default with OpenJDK).
Thanks,
Antonio
El 26/11/17 a las 08:18, Emilian Bold escribió:
> I believe we already use Java 8 in NetBeans sources. I remember adding a patch with streams.
>
> JavaFX doesn't exist on some platforms like the Raspberry PI ARM builds so I'm not certain it's good to rely on right now. "Pretty soon" though OracleJDK will merge into OpenJDK so I assume this means most JavaFX bits will land in OpenJDK proper?
>
>
> --emi
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: JDK & JavaFX versions
>> Local Time: November 26, 2017 12:52 AM
>> UTC Time: November 25, 2017 10:52 PM
>> From: antonio@vieiro.net
>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Would it be ok to use Java 8 for NetBeans sources? Or is there a maximum
>> version? Can we count on JavaFX being installed for the IDE to run?
>> AFAIK JavaFX is not a requirement but, should it be?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Antonio
>>
Re: JDK & JavaFX versions
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
I believe we already use Java 8 in NetBeans sources. I remember adding a patch with streams.
JavaFX doesn't exist on some platforms like the Raspberry PI ARM builds so I'm not certain it's good to rely on right now. "Pretty soon" though OracleJDK will merge into OpenJDK so I assume this means most JavaFX bits will land in OpenJDK proper?
--emi
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: JDK & JavaFX versions
>Local Time: November 26, 2017 12:52 AM
>UTC Time: November 25, 2017 10:52 PM
>From: antonio@vieiro.net
>To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>
>Hi all,
>
> Would it be ok to use Java 8 for NetBeans sources? Or is there a maximum
> version? Can we count on JavaFX being installed for the IDE to run?
> AFAIK JavaFX is not a requirement but, should it be?
>
> Thanks,
> Antonio
>