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Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Hi All
I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general
incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
Thanks
Sharan
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Subject: graphviz as a potential apache project
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400
From: Stephen North <sc...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Stephen North <sc...@gmail.com>
To: sharan@apache.org
Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just sent an invitation
to an Apache roadshow event under your name.)
I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful infrastructure
software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine learning, software
engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, transpiled
into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, maybe Go
use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org
We started this in AT&T Labs but AT&T discontinued all support for the work,
eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the project,
so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we moved to gitlab.
We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache seems like
a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not sure a mature
project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how we could put
focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that need
network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to start the conversation.
Thank you for your time, and for your consideration.
Stephen North
Re: Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Le 04/06/2018 à 16:29, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Jacques Le Roux
> <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>> ...Anyway a big +1 to invite Graphviz in the incubator. I may even help if
>> necessary....
> Note that Stephen North who started this conversation with Sharan
> hasn't been CCed in all messages so might have missed part of the
> conversation.
>
> Stephen, for what it's worth the full conversation is here:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ad32238950411dd5d29297286a136dd58319bf9d8023cff1ff860f88@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>
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> -Bertrand
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Thanks Bertrand
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Re: Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@codeconsult.ch>.
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Jacques Le Roux
<ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> ...Anyway a big +1 to invite Graphviz in the incubator. I may even help if
> necessary....
Note that Stephen North who started this conversation with Sharan
hasn't been CCed in all messages so might have missed part of the
conversation.
Stephen, for what it's worth the full conversation is here:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ad32238950411dd5d29297286a136dd58319bf9d8023cff1ff860f88@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
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Re: Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Thanks Sharan,
I don't know much about Graphviz but I remember we spoke about using Graphviz with Ron in the OFBiz project.
He mentioned: "If we go with AsciiDoc, *GraphViz* is built-in and will become more familiar to everyone."[1]
Since we use AsciiDoc for our documentation now having **Graphviz in Apache will certainly be helpful, and not only for OFBiz.
Anyway a big +1 to invite Graphviz in the incubator. I may even help if necessary.
Jacques
[1] https://markmail.org/message/mp7u7iq3ro7pfl2a
Le 03/06/2018 à 17:29, sharan@apache.org a écrit :
> Hi All
>
> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: graphviz as a potential apache project
> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400
> From: Stephen North <sc...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Stephen North <sc...@gmail.com>
> To: sharan@apache.org
>
>
>
> Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just sent an invitation
> to an Apache roadshow event under your name.)
>
> I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful infrastructure
> software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine learning, software
> engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, transpiled
> into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, maybe Go
> use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org
>
> We started this in AT&T Labs but AT&T discontinued all support for the work,
> eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the project,
> so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we moved to gitlab.
>
> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache seems like
> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not sure a mature
> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
>
> Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how we could put
> focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that need
> network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to start the conversation.
>
> Thank you for your time, and for your consideration.
>
> Stephen North
>
>
>
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 13:44:42 -0700, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> It is certainly intriguing. I’ve done work in the past on PICT, PS, and PDF generation.
> I can see great utility here with all of the DAG based workflows that are all the rage right now.
> Sign me up to Mentor if the project comes to the Incubator.
I would also be willing to be a Mentor for graphviz.
We've used Graphviz in Taverna since 2005 or so (and still do), and it's
a great product in many ways that I am very grateful for.
I see from their GitLab what seems like quite stable maintenance
activity across many contributors.
https://gitlab.com/graphviz/graphviz/
(Note: the code license is actually EPL1, not CDL)
The biggest challenge will indeed be the license/IP clearance - do they
have contact with AT&T that can help get a software grant? Then probably
they would need approval from all contributors since to do relicensing
to Apache License 2.0. This could be quite a task.
Some of the optional dependencies under
https://graphviz.gitlab.io/_pages/Download/Download_source.html are as
far as I understand LGPL or GPL - but this seems odd given that EPL
(except EPL2 with secondary license) is incompatible with GPL. Only a
problem for those distributing such binaries though.
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Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
It is certainly intriguing. I’ve done work in the past on PICT, PS, and PDF generation.
I can see great utility here with all of the DAG based workflows that are all the rage right now.
Sign me up to Mentor if the project comes to the Incubator.
Regards,
Dave
> On Jun 3, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed. I've used graphviz many times over the years, and would love to
> call it Apache Graphviz :-)
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 2:21 PM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> License is an issue with GraphViz but I'm +1 to help them come under the
>> ASF umbrella!
>>
>> --
>> Kevin A. McGrail
>> VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation
>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sharan@apache.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general
>>> incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know enough about the project to comment on that.
>>>>
>>>> Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its
>>> community
>>>> approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF
>>> individual
>>>> is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache.
>>> Though I expect
>>>> Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine.
>>>>
>>>>> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz.
>>> Apache seems like
>>>>> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made?
>>> I’m not sure a mature
>>>>> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
>>>>
>>>> Many mature projects go through the Incubator.
>>>>
>>>> What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably
>>> the
>>>> single most important criterion for you is to have your own community
>>> firmly
>>>> on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have
>>> that, you
>>>> find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a
>>> proposal.
>>>>
>>>> Romain wrote:
>>>>> Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch.
>>>>
>>>> That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long
>>> history under another
>>>> license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would
>>> have to agree
>>>> to the re-licensing.
>>>
>>> The project is licensed as Common Public License [1] which is Class B.
>>> [2] It will take some work to relicense.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.graphviz.org/license/
>>> [2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>
>>
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by GenghisKen the RoUS <kc...@redhat.com>.
On 06/03/2018 03:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Agreed. I've used graphviz many times over the years, and would love to
> call it Apache Graphviz :-)
Ditto!
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Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Agreed. I've used graphviz many times over the years, and would love to
call it Apache Graphviz :-)
On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 2:21 PM Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> wrote:
> License is an issue with GraphViz but I'm +1 to help them come under the
> ASF umbrella!
>
> --
> Kevin A. McGrail
> VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation
> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sharan@apache.org wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi All
> > >>
> > >> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general
> > incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
> > >
> > > I don't know enough about the project to comment on that.
> > >
> > > Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its
> > community
> > > approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF
> > individual
> > > is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache.
> > Though I expect
> > > Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine.
> > >
> > >> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz.
> > Apache seems like
> > >> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made?
> > I’m not sure a mature
> > >> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
> > >
> > > Many mature projects go through the Incubator.
> > >
> > > What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably
> > the
> > > single most important criterion for you is to have your own community
> > firmly
> > > on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have
> > that, you
> > > find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a
> > proposal.
> > >
> > > Romain wrote:
> > >> Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch.
> > >
> > > That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long
> > history under another
> > > license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would
> > have to agree
> > > to the re-licensing.
> >
> > The project is licensed as Common Public License [1] which is Class B.
> > [2] It will take some work to relicense.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > [1] http://www.graphviz.org/license/
> > [2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nick Kew
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> > >
> >
>
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
License is an issue with GraphViz but I'm +1 to help them come under the
ASF umbrella!
--
Kevin A. McGrail
VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sharan@apache.org wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general
> incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
> >
> > I don't know enough about the project to comment on that.
> >
> > Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its
> community
> > approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF
> individual
> > is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache.
> Though I expect
> > Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine.
> >
> >> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz.
> Apache seems like
> >> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made?
> I’m not sure a mature
> >> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
> >
> > Many mature projects go through the Incubator.
> >
> > What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably
> the
> > single most important criterion for you is to have your own community
> firmly
> > on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have
> that, you
> > find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a
> proposal.
> >
> > Romain wrote:
> >> Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch.
> >
> > That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long
> history under another
> > license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would
> have to agree
> > to the re-licensing.
>
> The project is licensed as Common Public License [1] which is Class B.
> [2] It will take some work to relicense.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> [1] http://www.graphviz.org/license/
> [2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Nick Kew
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
>
Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sharan@apache.org wrote:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
>
> I don't know enough about the project to comment on that.
>
> Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its community
> approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF individual
> is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache. Though I expect
> Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine.
>
>> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache seems like
>> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not sure a mature
>> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
>
> Many mature projects go through the Incubator.
>
> What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably the
> single most important criterion for you is to have your own community firmly
> on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have that, you
> find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a proposal.
>
> Romain wrote:
>> Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch.
>
> That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long history under another
> license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would have to agree
> to the re-licensing.
The project is licensed as Common Public License [1] which is Class B. [2] It will take some work to relicense.
Regards,
Dave
[1] http://www.graphviz.org/license/
[2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
> --
> Nick Kew
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Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>.
> On 3 Jun 2018, at 16:29, sharan@apache.org wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
I don't know enough about the project to comment on that.
Just to say, if it's to become an Apache project, I'd expect to see its community
approach our community. One project individual approaching one ASF individual
is hopefully a one-off, 'cos it's not how projects work at Apache. Though I expect
Stephen is evaluating an option, which is just fine.
> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache seems like
> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not sure a mature
> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
Many mature projects go through the Incubator.
What discussions have you had within your project community? Probably the
single most important criterion for you is to have your own community firmly
on board, and not dragging anyone reluctantly along. Once you have that, you
find someone to champion your project within Apache, and submit a proposal.
Romain wrote:
> Also it will let Graphviz time to handle the license switch.
That's the kind of issue that could be quite big. If it has a long history under another
license, you may have lots of contributors with a stake in it who would have to agree
to the re-licensing.
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Re: Fwd: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
Apache NetBeans is a pretty big and mature project too and it's still undergoing incubation.
The advantage for NetBeans is that Sun Microsystems / Oracle owns all the IP and just donated it to Apache. It might be a bit more complicated for Graphviz.
That being said, I'm totally +1 on Graphviz, it's such a handy little project I've used from time to time.
--emi
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On 3 June 2018 6:29 PM, <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general
>
> incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sharan
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>
> Subject: graphviz as a potential apache project
>
> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400
>
> From: Stephen North scnorth@gmail.com
>
> Reply-To: Stephen North scnorth@gmail.com
>
> To: sharan@apache.org
>
> Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just sent an invitation
>
> to an Apache roadshow event under your name.)
>
> I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful infrastructure
>
> software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine learning, software
>
> engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell, transpiled
>
> into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm, maybe Go
>
> use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org
>
> We started this in AT&T Labs but AT&T discontinued all support for the work,
>
> eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the project,
>
> so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we moved to gitlab.
>
> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache seems like
>
> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m not sure a mature
>
> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
>
> Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how we could put
>
> focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that need
>
> network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to start the conversation.
>
> Thank you for your time, and for your consideration.
>
> Stephen North
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Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Agree to go through the incubator as a first step and move to TLP pretty
fast (if all ok).
Regards
JB
On 03/06/2018 17:33, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> Wow, sounds very exciting to have graphviz here.
>
> Incubator being mainly about validating there is a community@asf I think it
> makes sense to go through incubator first. Also it will let Graphviz time
> to handle the license switch. That said the promotion to a TLP can be quite
> fast since most of the community is already here and I don't see it being
> that far from ASF requirements so I think going through incubator is a good
> path.
>
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>
> Le dim. 3 juin 2018 à 17:29, <sh...@apache.org> a écrit :
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general
>> incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: graphviz as a potential apache project
>> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400
>> From: Stephen North <sc...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Stephen North <sc...@gmail.com>
>> To: sharan@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just
>> sent an invitation
>> to an Apache roadshow event under your name.)
>>
>> I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful
>> infrastructure
>> software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine
>> learning, software
>> engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell,
>> transpiled
>> into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm,
>> maybe Go
>> use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org
>>
>> We started this in AT&T Labs but AT&T discontinued all support for the
>> work,
>> eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the
>> project,
>> so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we
>> moved to gitlab.
>>
>> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache
>> seems like
>> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m
>> not sure a mature
>> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
>>
>> Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how
>> we could put
>> focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that
>> need
>> network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to
>> start the conversation.
>>
>> Thank you for your time, and for your consideration.
>>
>> Stephen North
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: graphviz as a potential apache project
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Wow, sounds very exciting to have graphviz here.
Incubator being mainly about validating there is a community@asf I think it
makes sense to go through incubator first. Also it will let Graphviz time
to handle the license switch. That said the promotion to a TLP can be quite
fast since most of the community is already here and I don't see it being
that far from ASF requirements so I think going through incubator is a good
path.
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Le dim. 3 juin 2018 à 17:29, <sh...@apache.org> a écrit :
> Hi All
>
> I received this request from Stephen so am forwarding to the general
> incubator mailing list for discussion and any suggestions for options.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: graphviz as a potential apache project
> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:51:04 -0400
> From: Stephen North <sc...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Stephen North <sc...@gmail.com>
> To: sharan@apache.org
>
>
>
> Hi, Sharan. I hope you’re the right person for this. (Your org. just
> sent an invitation
> to an Apache roadshow event under your name.)
>
> I’m one of the founders of Graphviz, 20+ years ago, and it’s useful
> infrastructure
> software with new and old applications in bioinformatics, machine
> learning, software
> engineering and other fields, including plugins for R, python, Haskell,
> transpiled
> into javascript, who knows what else. I think for example clang, llvm,
> maybe Go
> use it for debug output. See www.graphviz.org
>
> We started this in AT&T Labs but AT&T discontinued all support for the
> work,
> eliminated some of our jobs or encouraged us to leave, has disclaimed the
> project,
> so we’re on our own. We maintain the software and the website, that we
> moved to gitlab.
>
> We are looking for a more stable institutional home for Graphviz. Apache
> seems like
> a great match. Is this possible? How is a decision like that made? I’m
> not sure a mature
> project like this fits the incubator model. Are there other ways?
>
> Sorry if this has gone long (I could say a lot more, too, for example how
> we could put
> focus effort on new features, or providing better resources to people that
> need
> network visualization as a service). I’m hoping you’re the right person to
> start the conversation.
>
> Thank you for your time, and for your consideration.
>
> Stephen North
>
>
>