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Posted to dev@struts.apache.org by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> on 2008/12/31 03:21:25 UTC
No offense, Don & Co.
When I got my copy of IntelliJ IDEA, I also noticed that they do
TeamCity licenses for OSS projects. I was thinking of using it on the
machine I set aside for WebSphere, when that materializes. But, I had
asked them about it before getting a hold of anyone at IBM and asked if
they would do a hosted solution sort of like Bamboo. Their response was
that they would -
[quote]
There is no problem obtaining an open-source TeamCity license for the
Struts project, please contact Ilia if you need it.
As to hosted solution: we do have several projects hosted on
http://teamcity.jetbrains.com but it is a kind of "unofficial"
possibility for now with no guarantees provided, etc. The option will
only suit if your build runs on Windows or Linux, using JDK 1.4 or 1.5
with no special environment settings necessary. We also ask to mention
the fact that Struts project uses TeamCity on your official web site.
[/quote]
Is this something we want to do? I don't know whether or not we can
"advertise" JetBrains, so I haven't responded. If we don't want to do it
this way, then we can wait and I'll get it running locally, but I
wouldn't mind leeching their infrastructure. Nothing against Bamboo, but
it doesn't seem to like Struts lately, and I think CI is a great thing,
so I hate to just ignore the failed builds all the time.
-Wes
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Re: No offense, Don & Co.
Posted by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>.
Thanks Brett, I'll check 'em out.
-Wes
On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 10:14 +1100, Brett Porter wrote:
> On 31/12/2008, at 4:42 PM, Wes Wannemacher wrote:
>
> > There are some open source CI systems, and since our build is pretty
> > simple, thanks to Maven, even a cron job could suffice. I'll come back
> > to this in January and see what I can throw together hardware/software
> > wise just to give more options...
>
> Apache already has two of them running (Continuum, at
> vmbuild.apache.org, and Hudson, at hudson.zones.apache.org) that you
> can simply request access to.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
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Re: No offense, Don & Co.
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
On 31/12/2008, at 4:42 PM, Wes Wannemacher wrote:
> There are some open source CI systems, and since our build is pretty
> simple, thanks to Maven, even a cron job could suffice. I'll come back
> to this in January and see what I can throw together hardware/software
> wise just to give more options...
Apache already has two of them running (Continuum, at
vmbuild.apache.org, and Hudson, at hudson.zones.apache.org) that you
can simply request access to.
Cheers,
Brett
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Re: No offense, Don & Co.
Posted by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>.
They only want the "shout-out" if they host the builds for us. I can
understand Martin's point, especially since Atlassian, by far has
donated more resources (code) than JetBrains and if they get a link and
Atlassian doesn't that wouldn't be fair.
There are some open source CI systems, and since our build is pretty
simple, thanks to Maven, even a cron job could suffice. I'll come back
to this in January and see what I can throw together hardware/software
wise just to give more options... Right now, I think we all ignore
failed builds because we've had problems with Bamboo, but if we're
running a few others with some visibility and people can get access to
the machines then it might help to make the builds more stable.
-Wes
On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 21:27 -0800, Martin Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > For what I have read here a few times I think mentioning the company
> > > from the website is a no-go. I am not sure if it is an Apache wide
> > > rule(sponsors are listed in some places, but that's a different
> > > thing), or just a struts specific thing.
> >
> > It's not Apache wide; at least one project has a 'thanks' page that
> > mentions software donations [1]. Struts has historically just avoided
> > it altogether, even before the ASF started the Sponsorship program.
>
>
> Actually, unless I'm mistaken, it was originally ASF-wide, starting quite a
> few years ago, and as far as I'm aware, it still is, even if there are one
> or two non-compliant projects.
>
> To answer Paul's question, the major concerns are of a perception that the
> ASF is endorsing donated products by advertising said products on ASF web
> sites, and how that relates to the nature of the ASF as a 501(c)3 charitable
> organisation.
>
> If someone wants to pursue this, I would suggest taking it to prc@ and / or
> legal-discuss@. Personally, I would not want to see Struts go down this road
> without an explicit green light from those folks.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>
> >
> > [1] http://directory.apache.org/community%26resources/thanks-to.html
> >
> > --
> > Wendy
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Re: No offense, Don & Co.
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > For what I have read here a few times I think mentioning the company
> > from the website is a no-go. I am not sure if it is an Apache wide
> > rule(sponsors are listed in some places, but that's a different
> > thing), or just a struts specific thing.
>
> It's not Apache wide; at least one project has a 'thanks' page that
> mentions software donations [1]. Struts has historically just avoided
> it altogether, even before the ASF started the Sponsorship program.
Actually, unless I'm mistaken, it was originally ASF-wide, starting quite a
few years ago, and as far as I'm aware, it still is, even if there are one
or two non-compliant projects.
To answer Paul's question, the major concerns are of a perception that the
ASF is endorsing donated products by advertising said products on ASF web
sites, and how that relates to the nature of the ASF as a 501(c)3 charitable
organisation.
If someone wants to pursue this, I would suggest taking it to prc@ and / or
legal-discuss@. Personally, I would not want to see Struts go down this road
without an explicit green light from those folks.
--
Martin Cooper
>
> [1] http://directory.apache.org/community%26resources/thanks-to.html
>
> --
> Wendy
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Re: No offense, Don & Co.
Posted by Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For what I have read here a few times I think mentioning the company
> from the website is a no-go. I am not sure if it is an Apache wide
> rule(sponsors are listed in some places, but that's a different
> thing), or just a struts specific thing.
It's not Apache wide; at least one project has a 'thanks' page that
mentions software donations [1]. Struts has historically just avoided
it altogether, even before the ASF started the Sponsorship program.
[1] http://directory.apache.org/community%26resources/thanks-to.html
--
Wendy
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Re: No offense, Don & Co.
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
But... how is donating a product different than donating money to the
Foundation? Apache advertises the names and logos of certain donors,
and perhaps the software is worth enough to mention.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html
Thoughts?
Paul
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For what I have read here a few times I think mentioning the company
> from the website is a no-go. I am not sure if it is an Apache wide
> rule(sponsors are listed in some places, but that's a different
> thing), or just a struts specific thing.
>
> musachy
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
>> When I got my copy of IntelliJ IDEA, I also noticed that they do
>> TeamCity licenses for OSS projects. I was thinking of using it on the
>> machine I set aside for WebSphere, when that materializes. But, I had
>> asked them about it before getting a hold of anyone at IBM and asked if
>> they would do a hosted solution sort of like Bamboo. Their response was
>> that they would -
>>
>> [quote]
>> There is no problem obtaining an open-source TeamCity license for the
>> Struts project, please contact Ilia if you need it.
>>
>> As to hosted solution: we do have several projects hosted on
>> http://teamcity.jetbrains.com but it is a kind of "unofficial"
>> possibility for now with no guarantees provided, etc. The option will
>> only suit if your build runs on Windows or Linux, using JDK 1.4 or 1.5
>> with no special environment settings necessary. We also ask to mention
>> the fact that Struts project uses TeamCity on your official web site.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> Is this something we want to do? I don't know whether or not we can
>> "advertise" JetBrains, so I haven't responded. If we don't want to do it
>> this way, then we can wait and I'll get it running locally, but I
>> wouldn't mind leeching their infrastructure. Nothing against Bamboo, but
>> it doesn't seem to like Struts lately, and I think CI is a great thing,
>> so I hate to just ignore the failed builds all the time.
>>
>> -Wes
>>
>>
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Re: No offense, Don & Co.
Posted by Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>.
For what I have read here a few times I think mentioning the company
from the website is a no-go. I am not sure if it is an Apache wide
rule(sponsors are listed in some places, but that's a different
thing), or just a struts specific thing.
musachy
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
> When I got my copy of IntelliJ IDEA, I also noticed that they do
> TeamCity licenses for OSS projects. I was thinking of using it on the
> machine I set aside for WebSphere, when that materializes. But, I had
> asked them about it before getting a hold of anyone at IBM and asked if
> they would do a hosted solution sort of like Bamboo. Their response was
> that they would -
>
> [quote]
> There is no problem obtaining an open-source TeamCity license for the
> Struts project, please contact Ilia if you need it.
>
> As to hosted solution: we do have several projects hosted on
> http://teamcity.jetbrains.com but it is a kind of "unofficial"
> possibility for now with no guarantees provided, etc. The option will
> only suit if your build runs on Windows or Linux, using JDK 1.4 or 1.5
> with no special environment settings necessary. We also ask to mention
> the fact that Struts project uses TeamCity on your official web site.
> [/quote]
>
> Is this something we want to do? I don't know whether or not we can
> "advertise" JetBrains, so I haven't responded. If we don't want to do it
> this way, then we can wait and I'll get it running locally, but I
> wouldn't mind leeching their infrastructure. Nothing against Bamboo, but
> it doesn't seem to like Struts lately, and I think CI is a great thing,
> so I hate to just ignore the failed builds all the time.
>
> -Wes
>
>
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