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Posted to dev@plc4x.apache.org by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> on 2021/09/09 19:08:24 UTC
[DISCUSS] Conscious Language Checker
Hi,
I'm forwarding this here cause I think we should discuss if we want to opt-in.
I had a look at what's considered "not inclusive" and I don't think we would have many issues in our codebase and if we do, they should be fixed easily.
As I think that unless "Hurz" is on that list, our codebase should probably not be excluding anyone and I see this as an opportunity to show the world that we care and we want to be an inclusive community
What do you think?
Chris
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. September 2021 20:39
An: dev@community.apache.org
Betreff: Conscious Language Checker Tool Being Developed
Hi All
I'm posting this here as it is sort of related to my thread around tools that could help with language.
A new tool is currently being developed under our D&I project that is called the Conscious Language Checker that can scan Apache projects repos, code and highlight potential words that could be potentially inappropriate or may cause offence. Like any ASF project the tool is under development and the first version of it is getting a range of feedback.
If you want to learn a bit more about the tool, help to develop it or simply want to join the conversation - the discussion is happening over the dev@diversity.apache.org and here is a link to the discussion thread https://s.apache.org/r57ba
If you are interested in taking a look at the tool dashboard - here is the link: https://clc.diversity.apache.org/
My understanding is that projects can opt in if they want their results to be included so please feel free to join the conversation.
Thanks
Sharan
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AW: [DISCUSS] Conscious Language Checker
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
You actually brought up something that I didn't think of first:
We implement protocols where the technical tems are terms that aren't concidered inclusive ... I mean ... I'm working on a PROFINET Master ... we have Modbus Masters and Slaves. I doubt it would be good to artificially rename them, adding confusion in something that's complicated to start with.
So let me withdraw my suggestion that this would be something with little effect to us and let me state the oposite ;-)
So I agree with you, Lukasz ... we think we shouldn't participate.
Chris
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. September 2021 21:42
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org; Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Conscious Language Checker
I don't have any strong feeling with it. I already expressed concerns in same topic in Apache Karaf.
Making a whitelist and blacklist of words (which btw is considered inappropriate by the tool) for technical documentation where use of he/she/master/slave which is used only in context of a specific open source project or communicated *hardware* is not needed.
If it doesn't serve technical purpose, and in my humble opinion it doesn't, I would opt out. With people currently involved in project we don't have time to take care of sonar issues. If we'd have time to work with text then writing sufficient documentation is more important than making it inclusive.
Best,
Łukasz
On 09.09.2021 21:08, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm forwarding this here cause I think we should discuss if we want to opt-in.
> I had a look at what's considered "not inclusive" and I don't think we would have many issues in our codebase and if we do, they should be fixed easily.
>
> As I think that unless "Hurz" is on that list, our codebase should
> probably not be excluding anyone and I see this as an opportunity to
> show the world that we care and we want to be an inclusive community
>
> What do you think?
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. September 2021 20:39
> An: dev@community.apache.org
> Betreff: Conscious Language Checker Tool Being Developed
>
> Hi All
>
> I'm posting this here as it is sort of related to my thread around tools that could help with language.
>
> A new tool is currently being developed under our D&I project that is called the Conscious Language Checker that can scan Apache projects repos, code and highlight potential words that could be potentially inappropriate or may cause offence. Like any ASF project the tool is under development and the first version of it is getting a range of feedback.
>
> If you want to learn a bit more about the tool, help to develop it or
> simply want to join the conversation - the discussion is happening
> over the dev@diversity.apache.org and here is a link to the discussion
> thread https://s.apache.org/r57ba
>
> If you are interested in taking a look at the tool dashboard - here is
> the link: https://clc.diversity.apache.org/
>
> My understanding is that projects can opt in if they want their results to be included so please feel free to join the conversation.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
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> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
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Re: [DISCUSS] Conscious Language Checker
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
I don't have any strong feeling with it. I already expressed concerns in
same topic in Apache Karaf.
Making a whitelist and blacklist of words (which btw is considered
inappropriate by the tool) for technical documentation where use of
he/she/master/slave which is used only in context of a specific open
source project or communicated *hardware* is not needed.
If it doesn't serve technical purpose, and in my humble opinion it
doesn't, I would opt out. With people currently involved in project we
don't have time to take care of sonar issues. If we'd have time to work
with text then writing sufficient documentation is more important than
making it inclusive.
Best,
Łukasz
On 09.09.2021 21:08, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm forwarding this here cause I think we should discuss if we want to opt-in.
> I had a look at what's considered "not inclusive" and I don't think we would have many issues in our codebase and if we do, they should be fixed easily.
>
> As I think that unless "Hurz" is on that list, our codebase should probably not be excluding anyone and I see this as an opportunity to show the world that we care and we want to be an inclusive community
>
> What do you think?
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. September 2021 20:39
> An: dev@community.apache.org
> Betreff: Conscious Language Checker Tool Being Developed
>
> Hi All
>
> I'm posting this here as it is sort of related to my thread around tools that could help with language.
>
> A new tool is currently being developed under our D&I project that is called the Conscious Language Checker that can scan Apache projects repos, code and highlight potential words that could be potentially inappropriate or may cause offence. Like any ASF project the tool is under development and the first version of it is getting a range of feedback.
>
> If you want to learn a bit more about the tool, help to develop it or simply want to join the conversation - the discussion is happening over the dev@diversity.apache.org and here is a link to the discussion thread https://s.apache.org/r57ba
>
> If you are interested in taking a look at the tool dashboard - here is the link: https://clc.diversity.apache.org/
>
> My understanding is that projects can opt in if they want their results to be included so please feel free to join the conversation.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
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