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Posted to common-dev@hadoop.apache.org by "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> on 2018/08/31 08:07:38 UTC
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Bumping this thread at last time.
I have the following proposal:
1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
hadoop.apache.org
3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
Thanks,
Marton
On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>
> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>
>
> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>
> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> powerful tools.
>
> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>
> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
>
> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>
> Marton
>
> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>
> ***************************
> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> ***************************
>
> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>
>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>
>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>
>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>
>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>> progress?
>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> +Vinod
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>
>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Longer version:
>>>
>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>
>>> Goals were:
>>>
>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>
>>> I proposed to:
>>>
>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>
>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>
>>>
>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
>>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
>>> generating site.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>> Marton
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>.
Requested a new git repo for the site: https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git
On 9/4/18, 1:33 PM, "Mingliang Liu" <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
Thanks Marton.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
--
Mingliang Liu
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>.
Requested a new git repo for the site: https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git
On 9/4/18, 1:33 PM, "Mingliang Liu" <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
Thanks Marton.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>
>
--
Mingliang Liu
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>.
Requested a new git repo for the site: https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git
On 9/4/18, 1:33 PM, "Mingliang Liu" <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
Thanks Marton.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>
>
--
Mingliang Liu
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>.
Requested a new git repo for the site: https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git
On 9/4/18, 1:33 PM, "Mingliang Liu" <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
Thanks Marton.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
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Mingliang Liu
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Mingliang Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
Thanks Marton.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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Mingliang Liu
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Mingliang Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
Thanks Marton.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org>.
Thanks all the positive feedback.
I just uploaded the new site to the new repository:
https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git (asf-site branch)
It contains:
1. Same content, new layout. (source files of the site)
2. The rendered content under /content together with all the javadocs
(289003 file)
3. The old site (as suggested by Vinod. I added a link back to the old
site). https://hadoop.apache.org/old
Infra has already changed the pubsub script. The new site is live.
Please let me know if you see any problem...
I will update the wiki pages / release instruction very soon.
Thanks,
Marton
ps:
Please give me write permission to the OLD wiki
(https://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/), if you can. My username is MartonElek
Thanks a lot.
On 08/31/2018 10:07 AM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>>
>> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>>
>>
>> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
>> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>>
>> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
>> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
>> powerful tools.
>>
>> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
>> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>>
>> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
>> create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content
>> (for example new release announcements could be generated as part of
>> the release process)
>>
>> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
>> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>>
>> Marton
>>
>> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>>
>> ***************************
>> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
>> ***************************
>>
>> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>>
>>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>>
>>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>>
>>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>>> progress?
>>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> +Vinod
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>>
>>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
>>>> and https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Longer version:
>>>>
>>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>>
>>>> Goals were:
>>>>
>>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>>
>>>> I proposed to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
>>>> why I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
>>>> for generating site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Marton
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Sunil G <su...@apache.org>.
+1. Looks really good.
- Sunil
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:51 AM Vinayakumar B <vi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> +1, New site looks great.
>
> Just one nit in README
> '--refresh' flag for hugo server no longer available.
>
> -Vinay
>
> On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 10:21 am Shashikant Banerjee, <
> sbanerjee@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shashi
> >
> > On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
> >
> > -Mukul
> >
> > On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 Like the new site.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's really nice, +1.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Weiwei
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wheeleast@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Wangda
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <
> > aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the following proposal:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git
> > and import
> > > the
> > > > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content
> as
> > the
> > > existing
> > > > > site).
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the
> > source of
> > > > > hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next
> > two months
> > > > back
> > > > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements,
> new
> > > committers)
> > > > >
> > > > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn
> > without any
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy
> > consensus and
> > > > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have
> > objections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn
> > repo will be
> > > > > kept
> > > > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2
> months)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Marton
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content
> of
> > the
> > > proposed
> > > > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect
> > for the
> > > > > > documentation but for website creation there are more
> > simple and
> > > > > > powerful tools.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one
> > binary, without
> > > > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site".
> > Easier to
> > > > > create/use
> > > > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the
> > content (for
> > > > > example
> > > > > > new release announcements could be generated as part
> > of the
> > > release
> > > > > > process)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach
> > for the site
> > > > > (and
> > > > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the
> > recent
> > > releases:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli
> wrote:
> > > > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is
> > built good
> > > > enough
> > > > > -
> > > > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer
> > attention and get
> > > > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in
> the
> > interest
> > > of
> > > > > >> progress?
> > > > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where
> > this new site
> > > > > goes.
> > > > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that
> > there is a
> > > > new
> > > > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and
> > navigate to
> > > > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback &
> > fixes, we
> > > > > finally
> > > > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think
> > we are good
> > > > to
> > > > > go.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> +Vinod
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <
> > elek@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop
> > site which is
> > > > > >>> available from here:
> > > > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > > > and
> > > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Longer version:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more
> > modern hadoop
> > > > site:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Goals were:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release
> > entries could be
> > > > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it
> > with hugo
> > > (which
> > > > > is
> > > > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to
> git.
> > > > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site
> > automatically)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based
> > hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > > > about
> > > > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site
> (as
> > before)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the
> > proposed
> > > site
> > > > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns
> > about the
> > > used
> > > > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all
> > the
> > > questions
> > > > > why
> > > > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and
> > hugo is best
> > > > > for
> > > > > >>> generating site.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would
> > like to start
> > > a
> > > > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and
> > approach as a
> > > > new
> > > > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you
> > think.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > > > >>> Marton
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> > hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> > hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Weiwei Yang
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Sunil G <su...@apache.org>.
+1. Looks really good.
- Sunil
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:51 AM Vinayakumar B <vi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> +1, New site looks great.
>
> Just one nit in README
> '--refresh' flag for hugo server no longer available.
>
> -Vinay
>
> On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 10:21 am Shashikant Banerjee, <
> sbanerjee@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shashi
> >
> > On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
> >
> > -Mukul
> >
> > On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 Like the new site.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's really nice, +1.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Weiwei
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wheeleast@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Wangda
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <
> > aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the following proposal:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git
> > and import
> > > the
> > > > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content
> as
> > the
> > > existing
> > > > > site).
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the
> > source of
> > > > > hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next
> > two months
> > > > back
> > > > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements,
> new
> > > committers)
> > > > >
> > > > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn
> > without any
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy
> > consensus and
> > > > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have
> > objections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn
> > repo will be
> > > > > kept
> > > > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2
> months)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Marton
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content
> of
> > the
> > > proposed
> > > > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect
> > for the
> > > > > > documentation but for website creation there are more
> > simple and
> > > > > > powerful tools.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one
> > binary, without
> > > > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site".
> > Easier to
> > > > > create/use
> > > > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the
> > content (for
> > > > > example
> > > > > > new release announcements could be generated as part
> > of the
> > > release
> > > > > > process)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach
> > for the site
> > > > > (and
> > > > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the
> > recent
> > > releases:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli
> wrote:
> > > > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is
> > built good
> > > > enough
> > > > > -
> > > > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer
> > attention and get
> > > > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in
> the
> > interest
> > > of
> > > > > >> progress?
> > > > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where
> > this new site
> > > > > goes.
> > > > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that
> > there is a
> > > > new
> > > > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and
> > navigate to
> > > > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback &
> > fixes, we
> > > > > finally
> > > > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think
> > we are good
> > > > to
> > > > > go.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> +Vinod
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <
> > elek@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop
> > site which is
> > > > > >>> available from here:
> > > > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > > > and
> > > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Longer version:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more
> > modern hadoop
> > > > site:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Goals were:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release
> > entries could be
> > > > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it
> > with hugo
> > > (which
> > > > > is
> > > > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to
> git.
> > > > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site
> > automatically)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based
> > hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > > > about
> > > > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site
> (as
> > before)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the
> > proposed
> > > site
> > > > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns
> > about the
> > > used
> > > > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all
> > the
> > > questions
> > > > > why
> > > > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and
> > hugo is best
> > > > > for
> > > > > >>> generating site.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would
> > like to start
> > > a
> > > > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and
> > approach as a
> > > > new
> > > > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you
> > think.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > > > >>> Marton
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> > hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> > hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Weiwei Yang
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Sunil G <su...@apache.org>.
+1. Looks really good.
- Sunil
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:51 AM Vinayakumar B <vi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> +1, New site looks great.
>
> Just one nit in README
> '--refresh' flag for hugo server no longer available.
>
> -Vinay
>
> On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 10:21 am Shashikant Banerjee, <
> sbanerjee@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shashi
> >
> > On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
> >
> > -Mukul
> >
> > On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 Like the new site.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's really nice, +1.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Weiwei
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wheeleast@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Wangda
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <
> > aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the following proposal:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git
> > and import
> > > the
> > > > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content
> as
> > the
> > > existing
> > > > > site).
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the
> > source of
> > > > > hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next
> > two months
> > > > back
> > > > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements,
> new
> > > committers)
> > > > >
> > > > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn
> > without any
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy
> > consensus and
> > > > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have
> > objections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn
> > repo will be
> > > > > kept
> > > > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2
> months)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Marton
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content
> of
> > the
> > > proposed
> > > > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect
> > for the
> > > > > > documentation but for website creation there are more
> > simple and
> > > > > > powerful tools.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one
> > binary, without
> > > > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site".
> > Easier to
> > > > > create/use
> > > > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the
> > content (for
> > > > > example
> > > > > > new release announcements could be generated as part
> > of the
> > > release
> > > > > > process)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach
> > for the site
> > > > > (and
> > > > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the
> > recent
> > > releases:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli
> wrote:
> > > > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is
> > built good
> > > > enough
> > > > > -
> > > > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer
> > attention and get
> > > > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in
> the
> > interest
> > > of
> > > > > >> progress?
> > > > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where
> > this new site
> > > > > goes.
> > > > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that
> > there is a
> > > > new
> > > > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and
> > navigate to
> > > > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback &
> > fixes, we
> > > > > finally
> > > > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think
> > we are good
> > > > to
> > > > > go.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> +Vinod
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <
> > elek@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop
> > site which is
> > > > > >>> available from here:
> > > > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > > > and
> > > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Longer version:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more
> > modern hadoop
> > > > site:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Goals were:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release
> > entries could be
> > > > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it
> > with hugo
> > > (which
> > > > > is
> > > > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to
> git.
> > > > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site
> > automatically)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based
> > hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > > > about
> > > > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site
> (as
> > before)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the
> > proposed
> > > site
> > > > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns
> > about the
> > > used
> > > > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all
> > the
> > > questions
> > > > > why
> > > > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and
> > hugo is best
> > > > > for
> > > > > >>> generating site.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would
> > like to start
> > > a
> > > > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and
> > approach as a
> > > > new
> > > > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you
> > think.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > > > >>> Marton
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Sunil G <su...@apache.org>.
+1. Looks really good.
- Sunil
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:51 AM Vinayakumar B <vi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> +1, New site looks great.
>
> Just one nit in README
> '--refresh' flag for hugo server no longer available.
>
> -Vinay
>
> On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 10:21 am Shashikant Banerjee, <
> sbanerjee@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shashi
> >
> > On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
> >
> > -Mukul
> >
> > On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 Like the new site.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That's really nice, +1.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Weiwei
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wheeleast@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Wangda
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <
> > aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the following proposal:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git
> > and import
> > > the
> > > > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content
> as
> > the
> > > existing
> > > > > site).
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the
> > source of
> > > > > hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next
> > two months
> > > > back
> > > > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements,
> new
> > > committers)
> > > > >
> > > > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn
> > without any
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy
> > consensus and
> > > > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have
> > objections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn
> > repo will be
> > > > > kept
> > > > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2
> months)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Marton
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content
> of
> > the
> > > proposed
> > > > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect
> > for the
> > > > > > documentation but for website creation there are more
> > simple and
> > > > > > powerful tools.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one
> > binary, without
> > > > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site".
> > Easier to
> > > > > create/use
> > > > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the
> > content (for
> > > > > example
> > > > > > new release announcements could be generated as part
> > of the
> > > release
> > > > > > process)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach
> > for the site
> > > > > (and
> > > > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the
> > recent
> > > releases:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > > > ***************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli
> wrote:
> > > > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is
> > built good
> > > > enough
> > > > > -
> > > > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer
> > attention and get
> > > > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in
> the
> > interest
> > > of
> > > > > >> progress?
> > > > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where
> > this new site
> > > > > goes.
> > > > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that
> > there is a
> > > > new
> > > > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and
> > navigate to
> > > > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback &
> > fixes, we
> > > > > finally
> > > > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think
> > we are good
> > > > to
> > > > > go.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> +Vinod
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <
> > elek@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop
> > site which is
> > > > > >>> available from here:
> > > > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > > > and
> > > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Longer version:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more
> > modern hadoop
> > > > site:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Goals were:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release
> > entries could be
> > > > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it
> > with hugo
> > > (which
> > > > > is
> > > > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to
> git.
> > > > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site
> > automatically)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based
> > hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > > > about
> > > > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site
> (as
> > before)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the
> > proposed
> > > site
> > > > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns
> > about the
> > > used
> > > > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all
> > the
> > > questions
> > > > > why
> > > > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and
> > hugo is best
> > > > > for
> > > > > >>> generating site.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would
> > like to start
> > > a
> > > > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and
> > approach as a
> > > > new
> > > > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you
> > think.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > > > >>> Marton
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
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> > > > >
> > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Weiwei Yang
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Vinayakumar B <vi...@apache.org>.
+1, New site looks great.
Just one nit in README
'--refresh' flag for hugo server no longer available.
-Vinay
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 10:21 am Shashikant Banerjee, <sb...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks
> Shashi
>
> On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
> +1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
>
> -Mukul
>
> On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 Like the new site.
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That's really nice, +1.
> >
> > --
> > Weiwei
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Wangda
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <
> aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > > >
> > > > I have the following proposal:
> > > >
> > > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git
> and import
> > the
> > > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as
> the
> > existing
> > > > site).
> > > >
> > > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the
> source of
> > > > hadoop.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next
> two months
> > > back
> > > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> > committers)
> > > >
> > > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn
> without any
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy
> consensus and
> > > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have
> objections.
> > > >
> > > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn
> repo will be
> > > > kept
> > > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of
> the
> > proposed
> > > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > > >
> > > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect
> for the
> > > > > documentation but for website creation there are more
> simple and
> > > > > powerful tools.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one
> binary, without
> > > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site".
> Easier to
> > > > create/use
> > > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the
> content (for
> > > > example
> > > > > new release announcements could be generated as part
> of the
> > release
> > > > > process)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach
> for the site
> > > > (and
> > > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > > >
> > > > > Marton
> > > > >
> > > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the
> recent
> > releases:
> > > > >
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is
> built good
> > > enough
> > > > -
> > > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer
> attention and get
> > > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the
> interest
> > of
> > > > >> progress?
> > > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where
> this new site
> > > > goes.
> > > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that
> there is a
> > > new
> > > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and
> navigate to
> > > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback &
> fixes, we
> > > > finally
> > > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think
> we are good
> > > to
> > > > go.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> +Vinod
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <
> elek@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop
> site which is
> > > > >>> available from here:
> > > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > > and
> > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Longer version:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more
> modern hadoop
> > > site:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Goals were:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release
> entries could be
> > > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it
> with hugo
> > (which
> > > > is
> > > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site
> automatically)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based
> hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > > about
> > > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as
> before)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the
> proposed
> > site
> > > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns
> about the
> > used
> > > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all
> the
> > questions
> > > > why
> > > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and
> hugo is best
> > > > for
> > > > >>> generating site.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would
> like to start
> > a
> > > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and
> approach as a
> > > new
> > > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you
> think.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > > >>> Marton
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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> >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Weiwei Yang
> >
>
>
> --
> John
>
>
>
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>
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Vinayakumar B <vi...@apache.org>.
+1, New site looks great.
Just one nit in README
'--refresh' flag for hugo server no longer available.
-Vinay
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 10:21 am Shashikant Banerjee, <sb...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks
> Shashi
>
> On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
> +1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
>
> -Mukul
>
> On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 Like the new site.
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That's really nice, +1.
> >
> > --
> > Weiwei
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Wangda
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <
> aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > > >
> > > > I have the following proposal:
> > > >
> > > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git
> and import
> > the
> > > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as
> the
> > existing
> > > > site).
> > > >
> > > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the
> source of
> > > > hadoop.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next
> two months
> > > back
> > > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> > committers)
> > > >
> > > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn
> without any
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy
> consensus and
> > > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have
> objections.
> > > >
> > > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn
> repo will be
> > > > kept
> > > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of
> the
> > proposed
> > > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > > >
> > > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect
> for the
> > > > > documentation but for website creation there are more
> simple and
> > > > > powerful tools.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one
> binary, without
> > > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site".
> Easier to
> > > > create/use
> > > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the
> content (for
> > > > example
> > > > > new release announcements could be generated as part
> of the
> > release
> > > > > process)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach
> for the site
> > > > (and
> > > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > > >
> > > > > Marton
> > > > >
> > > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the
> recent
> > releases:
> > > > >
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is
> built good
> > > enough
> > > > -
> > > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer
> attention and get
> > > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the
> interest
> > of
> > > > >> progress?
> > > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where
> this new site
> > > > goes.
> > > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that
> there is a
> > > new
> > > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and
> navigate to
> > > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback &
> fixes, we
> > > > finally
> > > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think
> we are good
> > > to
> > > > go.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> +Vinod
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <
> elek@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop
> site which is
> > > > >>> available from here:
> > > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > > and
> > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Longer version:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more
> modern hadoop
> > > site:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Goals were:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release
> entries could be
> > > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it
> with hugo
> > (which
> > > > is
> > > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site
> automatically)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based
> hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > > about
> > > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as
> before)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the
> proposed
> > site
> > > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns
> about the
> > used
> > > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all
> the
> > questions
> > > > why
> > > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and
> hugo is best
> > > > for
> > > > >>> generating site.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would
> like to start
> > a
> > > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and
> approach as a
> > > new
> > > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you
> think.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > > >>> Marton
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Weiwei Yang
> >
>
>
> --
> John
>
>
>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Vinayakumar B <vi...@apache.org>.
+1, New site looks great.
Just one nit in README
'--refresh' flag for hugo server no longer available.
-Vinay
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 10:21 am Shashikant Banerjee, <sb...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks
> Shashi
>
> On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
> +1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
>
> -Mukul
>
> On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 Like the new site.
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That's really nice, +1.
> >
> > --
> > Weiwei
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Wangda
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <
> aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > > >
> > > > I have the following proposal:
> > > >
> > > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git
> and import
> > the
> > > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as
> the
> > existing
> > > > site).
> > > >
> > > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the
> source of
> > > > hadoop.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next
> two months
> > > back
> > > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> > committers)
> > > >
> > > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn
> without any
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy
> consensus and
> > > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have
> objections.
> > > >
> > > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn
> repo will be
> > > > kept
> > > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of
> the
> > proposed
> > > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > > >
> > > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect
> for the
> > > > > documentation but for website creation there are more
> simple and
> > > > > powerful tools.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one
> binary, without
> > > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site".
> Easier to
> > > > create/use
> > > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the
> content (for
> > > > example
> > > > > new release announcements could be generated as part
> of the
> > release
> > > > > process)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach
> for the site
> > > > (and
> > > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > > >
> > > > > Marton
> > > > >
> > > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the
> recent
> > releases:
> > > > >
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is
> built good
> > > enough
> > > > -
> > > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer
> attention and get
> > > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the
> interest
> > of
> > > > >> progress?
> > > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where
> this new site
> > > > goes.
> > > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that
> there is a
> > > new
> > > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and
> navigate to
> > > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback &
> fixes, we
> > > > finally
> > > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think
> we are good
> > > to
> > > > go.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> +Vinod
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <
> elek@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop
> site which is
> > > > >>> available from here:
> > > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > > and
> > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Longer version:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more
> modern hadoop
> > > site:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Goals were:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release
> entries could be
> > > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it
> with hugo
> > (which
> > > > is
> > > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site
> automatically)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based
> hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > > about
> > > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as
> before)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the
> proposed
> > site
> > > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns
> about the
> > used
> > > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all
> the
> > questions
> > > > why
> > > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and
> hugo is best
> > > > for
> > > > >>> generating site.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would
> like to start
> > a
> > > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and
> approach as a
> > > new
> > > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you
> think.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > > >>> Marton
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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> >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Weiwei Yang
> >
>
>
> --
> John
>
>
>
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>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Vinayakumar B <vi...@apache.org>.
+1, New site looks great.
Just one nit in README
'--refresh' flag for hugo server no longer available.
-Vinay
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018, 10:21 am Shashikant Banerjee, <sb...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks
> Shashi
>
> On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
> +1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
>
> -Mukul
>
> On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 Like the new site.
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That's really nice, +1.
> >
> > --
> > Weiwei
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Wangda
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <
> aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > > >
> > > > I have the following proposal:
> > > >
> > > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git
> and import
> > the
> > > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as
> the
> > existing
> > > > site).
> > > >
> > > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the
> source of
> > > > hadoop.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next
> two months
> > > back
> > > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> > committers)
> > > >
> > > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn
> without any
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy
> consensus and
> > > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have
> objections.
> > > >
> > > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn
> repo will be
> > > > kept
> > > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of
> the
> > proposed
> > > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > > >
> > > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect
> for the
> > > > > documentation but for website creation there are more
> simple and
> > > > > powerful tools.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one
> binary, without
> > > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site".
> Easier to
> > > > create/use
> > > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the
> content (for
> > > > example
> > > > > new release announcements could be generated as part
> of the
> > release
> > > > > process)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach
> for the site
> > > > (and
> > > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > > >
> > > > > Marton
> > > > >
> > > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the
> recent
> > releases:
> > > > >
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > > ***************************
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is
> built good
> > > enough
> > > > -
> > > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer
> attention and get
> > > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the
> interest
> > of
> > > > >> progress?
> > > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where
> this new site
> > > > goes.
> > > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that
> there is a
> > > new
> > > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and
> navigate to
> > > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback &
> fixes, we
> > > > finally
> > > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think
> we are good
> > > to
> > > > go.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> +Vinod
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <
> elek@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop
> site which is
> > > > >>> available from here:
> > > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > > and
> > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Longer version:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more
> modern hadoop
> > > site:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Goals were:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release
> entries could be
> > > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it
> with hugo
> > (which
> > > > is
> > > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site
> automatically)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based
> hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > > about
> > > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as
> before)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the
> proposed
> > site
> > > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns
> about the
> > used
> > > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all
> the
> > questions
> > > > why
> > > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and
> hugo is best
> > > > for
> > > > >>> generating site.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would
> like to start
> > a
> > > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and
> approach as a
> > > new
> > > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you
> think.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > > >>> Marton
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Shashikant Banerjee <sb...@hortonworks.com>.
+1
Thanks
Shashi
On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
+1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
-Mukul
On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Shashikant Banerjee <sb...@hortonworks.com>.
+1
Thanks
Shashi
On 9/3/18, 9:23 AM, "Mukul Kumar Singh" <ms...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
+1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
-Mukul
On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Mukul Kumar Singh <ms...@hortonworks.com>.
+1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
-Mukul
On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Weiwei Yang
>
--
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Mukul Kumar Singh <ms...@hortonworks.com>.
+1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
-Mukul
On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Weiwei Yang
>
--
John
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Mukul Kumar Singh <ms...@hortonworks.com>.
+1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
-Mukul
On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Weiwei Yang
>
--
John
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Mukul Kumar Singh <ms...@hortonworks.com>.
+1, Thanks for working on this Marton.
-Mukul
On 03/09/18, 9:02 AM, "John Zhuge" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
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> > > >>
> > > >
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> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Weiwei Yang
>
--
John
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by John Zhuge <jo...@gmail.com>.
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Weiwei Yang
>
--
John
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by John Zhuge <jo...@gmail.com>.
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Weiwei Yang
>
--
John
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by John Zhuge <jo...@gmail.com>.
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Weiwei Yang
>
--
John
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by John Zhuge <jo...@gmail.com>.
+1 Like the new site.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 7:02 PM Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's really nice, +1.
>
> --
> Weiwei
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
> >
> > Best,
> > Wangda
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aagarwal@hortonworks.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import
> the
> > > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the
> existing
> > > site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> > back
> > > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new
> committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > > kept
> > > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the
> proposed
> > > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > > >
> > > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > > powerful tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > > >
> > > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > > create/use
> > > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > > example
> > > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > > > process)
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > > (and
> > > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > > >
> > > > Marton
> > > >
> > > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent
> releases:
> > > >
> > > > ***************************
> > > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > > ***************************
> > > >
> > > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > > >>
> > > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> > enough
> > > -
> > > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > > >>
> > > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > > >>
> > > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest
> of
> > > >> progress?
> > > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > > goes.
> > > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> > new
> > > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > > finally
> > > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> > to
> > > go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> +Vinod
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > > >>> available from here:
> > https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > > and
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Longer version:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> > site:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Goals were:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I proposed to:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo
> (which
> > > is
> > > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > > about
> > > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed
> site
> > > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the
> used
> > > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the
> questions
> > > why
> > > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > > for
> > > >>> generating site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start
> a
> > > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> > new
> > > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > > >>> Marton
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Weiwei Yang
>
--
John
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>.
That's really nice, +1.
--
Weiwei
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
>
> Best,
> Wangda
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> >
> >
> > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> > site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> back
> > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > kept
> > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
> >
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > >
> > >
> > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > >
> > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > powerful tools.
> > >
> > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > >
> > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > create/use
> > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > example
> > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > > process)
> > >
> > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > (and
> > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > >
> > > Marton
> > >
> > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> > >
> > > ***************************
> > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > ***************************
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > >>
> > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> enough
> > -
> > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > >>
> > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > >>
> > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> > >> progress?
> > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > goes.
> > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> new
> > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > finally
> > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> to
> > go.
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> +Vinod
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > >>>
> > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > >>> available from here:
> https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > and
> > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > >>>
> > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Longer version:
> > >>>
> > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> site:
> > >>>
> > >>> Goals were:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > >>>
> > >>> I proposed to:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which
> > is
> > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > >>>
> > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > about
> > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
> > why
> > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > for
> > >>> generating site.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> new
> > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > >>> Marton
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--
Weiwei Yang
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Weiwei Yang <ab...@gmail.com>.
That's really nice, +1.
--
Weiwei
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 4:36 AM Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
>
> Best,
> Wangda
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Thanks for initiating this Marton.
> >
> >
> > On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> > site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months
> back
> > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> > problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> > kept
> > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
> >
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > >
> > >
> > > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > >
> > > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > > powerful tools.
> > >
> > > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > >
> > > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > create/use
> > > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> > example
> > > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > > process)
> > >
> > > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> > (and
> > > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > >
> > > Marton
> > >
> > > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> > >
> > > ***************************
> > > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > > ***************************
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > >> Got pinged about this offline.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > >>
> > >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good
> enough
> > -
> > >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > >>
> > >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > >>
> > >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> > >> progress?
> > >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> > goes.
> > >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a
> new
> > >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> > finally
> > >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good
> to
> > go.
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> +Vinod
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > >>>
> > >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > >>> available from here:
> https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> > and
> > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > >>>
> > >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Longer version:
> > >>>
> > >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop
> site:
> > >>>
> > >>> Goals were:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> > >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > >>>
> > >>> I proposed to:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which
> > is
> > >>> a single, standalone binary)
> > >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > >>>
> > >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> > about
> > >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> > >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> > >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
> > why
> > >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> > for
> > >>> generating site.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> > >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a
> new
> > >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks a lot,
> > >>> Marton
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--
Weiwei Yang
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com>.
+1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
Best,
Wangda
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks for initiating this Marton.
>
>
> On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough
> -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to
> go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which
> is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
> why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com>.
+1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
Best,
Wangda
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks for initiating this Marton.
>
>
> On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough
> -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to
> go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which
> is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
> why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
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>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com>.
+1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
Best,
Wangda
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks for initiating this Marton.
>
>
> On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough
> -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to
> go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which
> is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
> why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
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>
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>
>
>
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Wangda Tan <wh...@gmail.com>.
+1, thanks for working on this, Marton!
Best,
Wangda
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks for initiating this Marton.
>
>
> On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site
> (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough
> -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we
> finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to
> go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
> and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which
> is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT
> about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
> why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
> for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
> >>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>
> >
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>
>
>
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>.
+1
Thanks for initiating this Marton.
On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
Bumping this thread at last time.
I have the following proposal:
1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
hadoop.apache.org
3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
Thanks,
Marton
On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>
> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>
>
> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>
> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> powerful tools.
>
> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>
> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
>
> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>
> Marton
>
> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>
> ***************************
> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> ***************************
>
> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>
>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>
>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>
>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>
>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>> progress?
>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> +Vinod
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>
>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Longer version:
>>>
>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>
>>> Goals were:
>>>
>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>
>>> I proposed to:
>>>
>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>
>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>
>>>
>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
>>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
>>> generating site.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>> Marton
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Brahma Reddy Battula <br...@apache.org>.
+1
It’s better to new version link in old version.
Brahma Reddy Battula
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1. Thanks for the work, Marton!
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:37 AM Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <
> vinodkv@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And
> > link back & forth?
> >
> > +Vinod
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> kept
> > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > >> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > >> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > >> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful
> > tools.
> > >> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > >> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content
> (for
> > example new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > process)
> > >> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > >> Marton
> > >> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> > >> ***************************
> > >> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > >> ***************************
> > >> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > >>> Got pinged about this offline.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > >>>
> > >>> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > >>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> > mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > >>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > >>>
> > >>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > >>>
> > >>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> > progress?
> > >>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> goes.
> > >>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> > site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > >>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> > pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>> +Vinod
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Longer version:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Goals were:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > created by a script as part of the release process)
> > >>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > >>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I proposed to:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> > a single, standalone binary)
> > >>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > >>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> > the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> > according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> > technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I
> > think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> > generating site.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> > discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site
> of
> > Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks a lot,
> > >>>> Marton
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: mapreduce-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: mapreduce-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
>
--
--Brahma Reddy Battula
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Brahma Reddy Battula <br...@apache.org>.
+1
It’s better to new version link in old version.
Brahma Reddy Battula
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1. Thanks for the work, Marton!
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:37 AM Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <
> vinodkv@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And
> > link back & forth?
> >
> > +Vinod
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> kept
> > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > >> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > >> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > >> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful
> > tools.
> > >> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > >> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content
> (for
> > example new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > process)
> > >> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > >> Marton
> > >> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> > >> ***************************
> > >> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > >> ***************************
> > >> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > >>> Got pinged about this offline.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > >>>
> > >>> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > >>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> > mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > >>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > >>>
> > >>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > >>>
> > >>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> > progress?
> > >>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> goes.
> > >>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> > site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > >>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> > pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>> +Vinod
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Longer version:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Goals were:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > created by a script as part of the release process)
> > >>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > >>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I proposed to:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> > a single, standalone binary)
> > >>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > >>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> > the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> > according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> > technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I
> > think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> > generating site.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> > discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site
> of
> > Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks a lot,
> > >>>> Marton
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: mapreduce-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: mapreduce-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
>
--
--Brahma Reddy Battula
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Brahma Reddy Battula <br...@apache.org>.
+1
It’s better to new version link in old version.
Brahma Reddy Battula
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1. Thanks for the work, Marton!
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:37 AM Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <
> vinodkv@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And
> > link back & forth?
> >
> > +Vinod
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> kept
> > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > >> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > >> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > >> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful
> > tools.
> > >> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > >> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content
> (for
> > example new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > process)
> > >> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > >> Marton
> > >> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> > >> ***************************
> > >> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > >> ***************************
> > >> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > >>> Got pinged about this offline.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > >>>
> > >>> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > >>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> > mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > >>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > >>>
> > >>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > >>>
> > >>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> > progress?
> > >>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> goes.
> > >>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> > site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > >>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> > pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>> +Vinod
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Longer version:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Goals were:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > created by a script as part of the release process)
> > >>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > >>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I proposed to:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> > a single, standalone binary)
> > >>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > >>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> > the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> > according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> > technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I
> > think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> > generating site.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> > discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site
> of
> > Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks a lot,
> > >>>> Marton
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: mapreduce-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: mapreduce-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> >
>
--
--Brahma Reddy Battula
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Brahma Reddy Battula <br...@apache.org>.
+1
It’s better to new version link in old version.
Brahma Reddy Battula
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1. Thanks for the work, Marton!
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:37 AM Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <
> vinodkv@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And
> > link back & forth?
> >
> > +Vinod
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bumping this thread at last time.
> > >
> > > I have the following proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> > new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
> > >
> > > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> > hadoop.apache.org
> > >
> > > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> > to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> > >
> > > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any
> problem.
> > >
> > > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> > start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> > >
> > > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be
> kept
> > as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> > >> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> > >> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> > >> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful
> > tools.
> > >> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> > >> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> > create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content
> (for
> > example new release announcements could be generated as part of the
> release
> > process)
> > >> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> > >> Marton
> > >> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> > >> ***************************
> > >> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > >> ***************************
> > >> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> > >>> Got pinged about this offline.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> > >>>
> > >>> I think there are two road-blocks here
> > >>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> > mvn-site / hugo etc?
> > >>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> > >>>
> > >>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> > feedback rapidly and get it in.
> > >>>
> > >>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> > progress?
> > >>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site
> goes.
> > >>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> > site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> > >>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> > pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>> +Vinod
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> > available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Longer version:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Goals were:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> > created by a script as part of the release process)
> > >>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> > >>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I proposed to:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> > a single, standalone binary)
> > >>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> > >>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> > the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> > according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> > technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I
> > think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> > generating site.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> > discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site
> of
> > Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks a lot,
> > >>>> Marton
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org>.
+1. Thanks for the work, Marton!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:37 AM Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And
> link back & forth?
>
> +Vinod
>
>
> > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
> >
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful
> tools.
> >> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> example new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
> >> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >> Marton
> >> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >> ***************************
> >> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> >> ***************************
> >> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >>> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>>
> >>> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>>
> >>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>>
> >>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> progress?
> >>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> +Vinod
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>>
> >>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>>
> >>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Longer version:
> >>>>
> >>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>>
> >>>> Goals were:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>>
> >>>> I proposed to:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> a single, standalone binary)
> >>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>>
> >>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I
> think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> generating site.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site of
> Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot,
> >>>> Marton
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> For additional commands, e-mail: mapreduce-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org>.
+1. Thanks for the work, Marton!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:37 AM Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And
> link back & forth?
>
> +Vinod
>
>
> > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
> >
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful
> tools.
> >> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> example new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
> >> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >> Marton
> >> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >> ***************************
> >> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> >> ***************************
> >> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >>> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>>
> >>> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>>
> >>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>>
> >>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> progress?
> >>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> +Vinod
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>>
> >>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>>
> >>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Longer version:
> >>>>
> >>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>>
> >>>> Goals were:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>>
> >>>> I proposed to:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> a single, standalone binary)
> >>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>>
> >>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I
> think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> generating site.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site of
> Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot,
> >>>> Marton
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
>
>
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>
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org>.
+1. Thanks for the work, Marton!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:37 AM Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And
> link back & forth?
>
> +Vinod
>
>
> > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
> >
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful
> tools.
> >> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> example new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
> >> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >> Marton
> >> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >> ***************************
> >> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> >> ***************************
> >> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >>> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>>
> >>> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>>
> >>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>>
> >>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> progress?
> >>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> +Vinod
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>>
> >>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>>
> >>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Longer version:
> >>>>
> >>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>>
> >>>> Goals were:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>>
> >>>> I proposed to:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> a single, standalone binary)
> >>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>>
> >>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I
> think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> generating site.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site of
> Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot,
> >>>> Marton
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >
>
>
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> For additional commands, e-mail: mapreduce-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>
>
Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Sangjin Lee <sj...@apache.org>.
+1. Thanks for the work, Marton!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:37 AM Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And
> link back & forth?
>
> +Vinod
>
>
> > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
> >
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful
> tools.
> >> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
> create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for
> example new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
> >> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >> Marton
> >> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >> ***************************
> >> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> >> ***************************
> >> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >>> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>>
> >>> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>>
> >>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>>
> >>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> progress?
> >>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> +Vinod
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>>
> >>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>>
> >>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Longer version:
> >>>>
> >>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>>
> >>>> Goals were:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>>
> >>>> I proposed to:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> a single, standalone binary)
> >>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>>
> >>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I
> think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> generating site.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site of
> Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot,
> >>>> Marton
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
> >>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: hdfs-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: hdfs-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vi...@apache.org>.
Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And link back & forth?
+Vinod
> On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed website is exactly the same as the old one.
>> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful tools.
>> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example new release announcements could be generated as part of the release process)
>> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and easy to rollback in case of problems)
>> Marton
>> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>> ***************************
>> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
>> ***************************
>> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>>
>>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough - mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>>
>>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>>
>>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of progress?
>>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> +Vinod
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>>
>>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Longer version:
>>>>
>>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>>
>>>> Goals were:
>>>>
>>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be created by a script as part of the release process)
>>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>>
>>>> I proposed to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is a single, standalone binary)
>>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for generating site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Marton
>>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by larry mccay <lm...@apache.org>.
+1 from me
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:30 AM Steve Loughran <st...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On 31 Aug 2018, at 09:07, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
>
> sounds good to me
>
> +1
>
>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by larry mccay <lm...@apache.org>.
+1 from me
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:30 AM Steve Loughran <st...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On 31 Aug 2018, at 09:07, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
>
> sounds good to me
>
> +1
>
>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by larry mccay <lm...@apache.org>.
+1 from me
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:30 AM Steve Loughran <st...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On 31 Aug 2018, at 09:07, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
>
> sounds good to me
>
> +1
>
>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by larry mccay <lm...@apache.org>.
+1 from me
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:30 AM Steve Loughran <st...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On 31 Aug 2018, at 09:07, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bumping this thread at last time.
> >
> > I have the following proposal:
> >
> > 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
> >
> > 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
> >
> > 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
> >
> > IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
> >
> > If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
> >
> > Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marton
>
> sounds good to me
>
> +1
>
>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@hortonworks.com>.
> On 31 Aug 2018, at 09:07, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
sounds good to me
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org>.
Thanks all the positive feedback.
I just uploaded the new site to the new repository:
https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git (asf-site branch)
It contains:
1. Same content, new layout. (source files of the site)
2. The rendered content under /content together with all the javadocs
(289003 file)
3. The old site (as suggested by Vinod. I added a link back to the old
site). https://hadoop.apache.org/old
Infra has already changed the pubsub script. The new site is live.
Please let me know if you see any problem...
I will update the wiki pages / release instruction very soon.
Thanks,
Marton
ps:
Please give me write permission to the OLD wiki
(https://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/), if you can. My username is MartonElek
Thanks a lot.
On 08/31/2018 10:07 AM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>>
>> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>>
>>
>> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
>> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>>
>> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
>> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
>> powerful tools.
>>
>> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
>> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>>
>> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
>> create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content
>> (for example new release announcements could be generated as part of
>> the release process)
>>
>> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
>> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>>
>> Marton
>>
>> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>>
>> ***************************
>> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
>> ***************************
>>
>> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>>
>>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>>
>>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>>
>>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>>> progress?
>>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> +Vinod
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>>
>>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
>>>> and https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Longer version:
>>>>
>>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>>
>>>> Goals were:
>>>>
>>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>>
>>>> I proposed to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
>>>> why I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
>>>> for generating site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Marton
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: common-dev-help@hadoop.apache.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Mingliang Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
Thanks Marton.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org>.
Thanks all the positive feedback.
I just uploaded the new site to the new repository:
https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git (asf-site branch)
It contains:
1. Same content, new layout. (source files of the site)
2. The rendered content under /content together with all the javadocs
(289003 file)
3. The old site (as suggested by Vinod. I added a link back to the old
site). https://hadoop.apache.org/old
Infra has already changed the pubsub script. The new site is live.
Please let me know if you see any problem...
I will update the wiki pages / release instruction very soon.
Thanks,
Marton
ps:
Please give me write permission to the OLD wiki
(https://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/), if you can. My username is MartonElek
Thanks a lot.
On 08/31/2018 10:07 AM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>>
>> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>>
>>
>> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
>> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>>
>> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
>> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
>> powerful tools.
>>
>> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
>> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>>
>> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
>> create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content
>> (for example new release announcements could be generated as part of
>> the release process)
>>
>> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
>> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>>
>> Marton
>>
>> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>>
>> ***************************
>> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
>> ***************************
>>
>> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>>
>>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>>
>>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>>
>>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>>> progress?
>>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> +Vinod
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>>
>>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
>>>> and https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Longer version:
>>>>
>>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>>
>>>> Goals were:
>>>>
>>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>>
>>>> I proposed to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
>>>> why I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
>>>> for generating site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Marton
>>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>.
+1
Thanks for initiating this Marton.
On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
Bumping this thread at last time.
I have the following proposal:
1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
hadoop.apache.org
3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
Thanks,
Marton
On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>
> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>
>
> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>
> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> powerful tools.
>
> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>
> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
>
> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>
> Marton
>
> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>
> ***************************
> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> ***************************
>
> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>
>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>
>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>
>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>
>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>> progress?
>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> +Vinod
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>
>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Longer version:
>>>
>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>
>>> Goals were:
>>>
>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>
>>> I proposed to:
>>>
>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>
>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>
>>>
>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
>>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
>>> generating site.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>> Marton
>>>
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>>>
>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vi...@apache.org>.
Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And link back & forth?
+Vinod
> On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed website is exactly the same as the old one.
>> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful tools.
>> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example new release announcements could be generated as part of the release process)
>> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and easy to rollback in case of problems)
>> Marton
>> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>> ***************************
>> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
>> ***************************
>> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>>
>>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough - mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>>
>>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>>
>>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of progress?
>>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> +Vinod
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>>
>>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Longer version:
>>>>
>>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>>
>>>> Goals were:
>>>>
>>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be created by a script as part of the release process)
>>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>>
>>>> I proposed to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is a single, standalone binary)
>>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for generating site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Marton
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: common-dev-unsubscribe@hadoop.apache.org
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@hortonworks.com>.
> On 31 Aug 2018, at 09:07, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
sounds good to me
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vi...@apache.org>.
Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And link back & forth?
+Vinod
> On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed website is exactly the same as the old one.
>> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful tools.
>> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example new release announcements could be generated as part of the release process)
>> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and easy to rollback in case of problems)
>> Marton
>> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>> ***************************
>> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
>> ***************************
>> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>>
>>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough - mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>>
>>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>>
>>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of progress?
>>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> +Vinod
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>>
>>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Longer version:
>>>>
>>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>>
>>>> Goals were:
>>>>
>>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be created by a script as part of the release process)
>>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>>
>>>> I proposed to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is a single, standalone binary)
>>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for generating site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Marton
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>
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>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli <vi...@apache.org>.
Is there no way to host the new site and the old site concurrently? And link back & forth?
+Vinod
> On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed website is exactly the same as the old one.
>> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the documentation but for website creation there are more simple and powerful tools.
>> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example new release announcements could be generated as part of the release process)
>> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and easy to rollback in case of problems)
>> Marton
>> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>> ***************************
>> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
>> ***************************
>> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>>
>>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough - mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>>
>>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>>
>>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of progress?
>>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> +Vinod
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>>
>>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Longer version:
>>>>
>>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>>
>>>> Goals were:
>>>>
>>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be created by a script as part of the release process)
>>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>>
>>>> I proposed to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is a single, standalone binary)
>>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for generating site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Marton
>>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org>.
Thanks all the positive feedback.
I just uploaded the new site to the new repository:
https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/hadoop-site.git (asf-site branch)
It contains:
1. Same content, new layout. (source files of the site)
2. The rendered content under /content together with all the javadocs
(289003 file)
3. The old site (as suggested by Vinod. I added a link back to the old
site). https://hadoop.apache.org/old
Infra has already changed the pubsub script. The new site is live.
Please let me know if you see any problem...
I will update the wiki pages / release instruction very soon.
Thanks,
Marton
ps:
Please give me write permission to the OLD wiki
(https://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/), if you can. My username is MartonElek
Thanks a lot.
On 08/31/2018 10:07 AM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>>
>> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>>
>>
>> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
>> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>>
>> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
>> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
>> powerful tools.
>>
>> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
>> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>>
>> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to
>> create/use more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content
>> (for example new release announcements could be generated as part of
>> the release process)
>>
>> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
>> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>>
>> Marton
>>
>> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>>
>> ***************************
>> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
>> ***************************
>>
>> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>>
>>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>>
>>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>>
>>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>>> progress?
>>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> +Vinod
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>>
>>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/
>>>> and https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Longer version:
>>>>
>>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>>
>>>> Goals were:
>>>>
>>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>>
>>>> I proposed to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions
>>>> why I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best
>>>> for generating site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Marton
>>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>.
+1
Thanks for initiating this Marton.
On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
Bumping this thread at last time.
I have the following proposal:
1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
hadoop.apache.org
3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
Thanks,
Marton
On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>
> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>
>
> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>
> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> powerful tools.
>
> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>
> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
>
> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>
> Marton
>
> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>
> ***************************
> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> ***************************
>
> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>
>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>
>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>
>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>
>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>> progress?
>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> +Vinod
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>
>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Longer version:
>>>
>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>
>>> Goals were:
>>>
>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>
>>> I proposed to:
>>>
>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>
>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>
>>>
>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
>>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
>>> generating site.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>> Marton
>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Mingliang Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
It might be late but I'm +1 on the new site and transition proposal.
Thanks Marton.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:07 AM Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
> new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing
> site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
> hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
> to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
> start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
> as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
> >
> >
> > About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> > website is exactly the same as the old one.
> >
> > About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> > documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> > powerful tools.
> >
> > Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> > dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
> >
> > Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> > more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> > new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> > process)
> >
> > I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> > easy to rollback in case of problems)
> >
> > Marton
> >
> > ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
> >
> > ***************************
> > * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> > ***************************
> >
> > On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
> >> Got pinged about this offline.
> >>
> >> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
> >>
> >> I think there are two road-blocks here
> >> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
> >> mvn-site / hugo etc?
> >> (2) Is the new website good enough?
> >>
> >> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
> >> feedback rapidly and get it in.
> >>
> >> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
> >> progress?
> >> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
> >> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
> >> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
> >> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
> >> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> +Vinod
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to bump this thread up.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
> >>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know what you think about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer version:
> >>>
> >>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
> >>>
> >>> Goals were:
> >>>
> >>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
> >>> created by a script as part of the release process)
> >>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
> >>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I proposed to:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
> >>> a single, standalone binary)
> >>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
> >>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
> >>>
> >>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
> >>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
> >>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
> >>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
> >>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
> >>> generating site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
> >>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
> >>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Marton
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Arpit Agarwal <aa...@hortonworks.com>.
+1
Thanks for initiating this Marton.
On 8/31/18, 1:07 AM, "Elek, Marton" <el...@apache.org> wrote:
Bumping this thread at last time.
I have the following proposal:
1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the
new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of
hadoop.apache.org
3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back
to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and
start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept
as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
Thanks,
Marton
On 06/21/2018 09:00 PM, Elek, Marton wrote:
>
> Thank you very much to bump up this thread.
>
>
> About [2]: (Just for the clarification) the content of the proposed
> website is exactly the same as the old one.
>
> About [1]. I believe that the "mvn site" is perfect for the
> documentation but for website creation there are more simple and
> powerful tools.
>
> Hugo has more simple compared to jekyll. Just one binary, without
> dependencies, works everywhere (mac, linux, windows)
>
> Hugo has much more powerful compared to "mvn site". Easier to create/use
> more modern layout/theme, and easier to handle the content (for example
> new release announcements could be generated as part of the release
> process)
>
> I think it's very low risk to try out a new approach for the site (and
> easy to rollback in case of problems)
>
> Marton
>
> ps: I just updated the patch/preview site with the recent releases:
>
> ***************************
> * http://hadoop.anzix.net *
> ***************************
>
> On 06/21/2018 01:27 AM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli wrote:
>> Got pinged about this offline.
>>
>> Thanks for keeping at it, Marton!
>>
>> I think there are two road-blocks here
>> (1) Is the mechanism using which the website is built good enough -
>> mvn-site / hugo etc?
>> (2) Is the new website good enough?
>>
>> For (1), I just think we need more committer attention and get
>> feedback rapidly and get it in.
>>
>> For (2), how about we do it in a different way in the interest of
>> progress?
>> - We create a hadoop.apache.org/new-site/ where this new site goes.
>> - We then modify the existing web-site to say that there is a new
>> site/experience that folks can click on a link and navigate to
>> - As this new website matures and gets feedback & fixes, we finally
>> pull the plug at a later point of time when we think we are good to go.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> +Vinod
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to bump this thread up.
>>>
>>> TLDR; There is a proposed version of a new hadoop site which is
>>> available from here: https://elek.github.io/hadoop-site-proposal/ and
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-14163
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Longer version:
>>>
>>> This thread started long time ago to use a more modern hadoop site:
>>>
>>> Goals were:
>>>
>>> 1. To make it easier to manage it (the release entries could be
>>> created by a script as part of the release process)
>>> 2. To use a better look-and-feel
>>> 3. Move it out from svn to git
>>>
>>> I proposed to:
>>>
>>> 1. Move the existing site to git and generate it with hugo (which is
>>> a single, standalone binary)
>>> 2. Move both the rendered and source branches to git.
>>> 3. (Create a jenkins job to generate the site automatically)
>>>
>>> NOTE: this is just about forrest based hadoop.apache.org, NOT about
>>> the documentation which is generated by mvn-site (as before)
>>>
>>>
>>> I got multiple valuable feedback and I improved the proposed site
>>> according to the comments. Allen had some concerns about the used
>>> technologies (hugo vs. mvn-site) and I answered all the questions why
>>> I think mvn-site is the best for documentation and hugo is best for
>>> generating site.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to finish this effort/jira: I would like to start a
>>> discussion about using this proposed version and approach as a new
>>> site of Apache Hadoop. Please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>> Marton
>>>
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>>>
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@hortonworks.com>.
> On 31 Aug 2018, at 09:07, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
sounds good to me
+1
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Re: HADOOP-14163 proposal for new hadoop.apache.org
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@hortonworks.com>.
> On 31 Aug 2018, at 09:07, Elek, Marton <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Bumping this thread at last time.
>
> I have the following proposal:
>
> 1. I will request a new git repository hadoop-site.git and import the new site to there (which has exactly the same content as the existing site).
>
> 2. I will ask infra to use the new repository as the source of hadoop.apache.org
>
> 3. I will sync manually all of the changes in the next two months back to the svn site from the git (release announcements, new committers)
>
> IN CASE OF ANY PROBLEM we can switch back to the svn without any problem.
>
> If no-one objects within three days, I'll assume lazy consensus and start with this plan. Please comment if you have objections.
>
> Again: it allows immediate fallback at any time as svn repo will be kept as is (+ I will keep it up-to-date in the next 2 months)
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
sounds good to me
+1
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