Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

["V. Cekvenich" <vc...@basebeans.com>]

Does Tomcat 5 Target JDK 1.4?
It not...it should please.
Apple, IBM, BEA have JDK1.4 (betas) available to download.

The imports might change a bit.

.V



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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

[Henri Gomez <hg...@apache.org>]

V. Cekvenich wrote:
> 
> 
> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
> 
>> V. Cekvenich wrote:
>>
>>> For TC 4 OK, but TC5 will have tested 4 vendors JVM 1.4.
>>>
>>> Most people run JDK 1.4 now.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps you do, but where is the data to support your claim above that
>> most people run JDK 1.4?
>>
> 
> Going around to clients site. What are you running..
> 
>> Those who have systems in production and have spent alot of time 
>> developing
>> applications which are hosted on those systems can't do a major 
>> upgrade like
>> JVM 1.3 -> JVM 1.4 at the drop of a hat.
>>
> 
> Drop of the hat == when is TC5 due?
> 
> Anyway, no one is arguing my side that we must have progress.
> JRockit, a popular VM is JDK 1.4. And IBM has a download that supports 
> AS400 on 1.4, and Apple is coming out.
> In Java, the whole point is you can go switch out a VM, at a drop of a hat.
> I mean, JDK 1.5 is coming out.

iSeries got support for 1.4 ?

I just discovered it but I didn't see how to get it on my V5R2
and there is not a major announce of it on iseries site.

BTW, why should we make JDK 1.4 mandatory ?





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RE: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

[Martin Algesten <pu...@taglab.com>]

> In Java, the whole point is you can go switch out a VM, at a 
> drop of a hat.
> I mean, JDK 1.5 is coming out.

That's just moronic and plain wrong and if you truly believe that I'm
feeling sorry for you. If you'd had any experience running live servers
you'd know that changing API's _always_ have consequences. I'm worried
about even changing trivial things like upgrading minor versions of XML
parsers. To change the VM I rely on is a serious undertaking and
certainly not done at a drop of a hat.

> But if I am the only one asking, maybe I am drunk. The thing is go to 
> your IDE (IDEj) and flag target 1.4, do you see all the 
> import changes?

IDE? Flag target 1.4? That says it then.

The first thing I ask programmers I hire is "How do you prefer to
program? What is your environment like?" ... If the answer is along the
lines of "vi", "emacs", "notepad", "zsh", "bash", "windows command
line", then I feel much relieved...

Martin


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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

["V. Cekvenich" <vc...@basebeans.com>]

Glenn Nielsen wrote:
> V. Cekvenich wrote:
> 
>> For TC 4 OK, but TC5 will have tested 4 vendors JVM 1.4.
>>
>> Most people run JDK 1.4 now.
>>
> 
> Perhaps you do, but where is the data to support your claim above that
> most people run JDK 1.4?
> 

Going around to clients site. What are you running..

> Those who have systems in production and have spent alot of time developing
> applications which are hosted on those systems can't do a major upgrade 
> like
> JVM 1.3 -> JVM 1.4 at the drop of a hat.
> 

Drop of the hat == when is TC5 due?

Anyway, no one is arguing my side that we must have progress.
JRockit, a popular VM is JDK 1.4. And IBM has a download that supports 
AS400 on 1.4, and Apple is coming out.
In Java, the whole point is you can go switch out a VM, at a drop of a hat.
I mean, JDK 1.5 is coming out.

But if I am the only one asking, maybe I am drunk. The thing is go to 
your IDE (IDEj) and flag target 1.4, do you see all the import changes?

.V

> Glenn



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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

[Glenn Nielsen <gl...@mail.more.net>]

V. Cekvenich wrote:
> For TC 4 OK, but TC5 will have tested 4 vendors JVM 1.4.
> 
> Most people run JDK 1.4 now.
> 

Perhaps you do, but where is the data to support your claim above that
most people run JDK 1.4?

Those who have systems in production and have spent alot of time developing
applications which are hosted on those systems can't do a major upgrade like
JVM 1.3 -> JVM 1.4 at the drop of a hat.

Glenn



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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

["V. Cekvenich" <vc...@basebeans.com>]

iSeris has JDK 1.4 download from IBM, that is my point. (BEA, and Apple 
have it as well so we have multi source).

Today when you download Tomcat 4 you have the 1.4 LE edition just loook 
at the site
Also downloading a jar, ex: http://jdbc.postgresql.org/download.html 
have 1.4 required.
Today!

TC5 is ways of.
And I think everyone can agree that JDK1.4 is more stable than 1.3.

.V

Henri Gomez wrote:
> V. Cekvenich wrote:
> 
>> For TC 4 OK, but TC5 will have tested 4 vendors JVM 1.4.
>>
>> Most people run JDK 1.4 now.
> 
> 
> There is at least one person which didn't run JDK 1.4,
> me, since the JDK 1.4 is not available on my iSeries.



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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

[Henri Gomez <hg...@apache.org>]

V. Cekvenich wrote:
> For TC 4 OK, but TC5 will have tested 4 vendors JVM 1.4.
> 
> Most people run JDK 1.4 now.

There is at least one person which didn't run JDK 1.4,
me, since the JDK 1.4 is not available on my iSeries.





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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

["V. Cekvenich" <vc...@basebeans.com>]

For TC 4 OK, but TC5 will have tested 4 vendors JVM 1.4.

Most people run JDK 1.4 now.

Costin Manolache wrote:
> V. Cekvenich wrote:
> 
> 
>>Why? I say TC5 should require JDK1.4 or above.
> 
> 
> Why would you decide for what other people ? 
> 
> 
>>TC5 is JSP2.0.
>>JDK1.4 is now available from multiple sources. It would make some code
>>and imports easier.
> 
> 
> Not everyone can play with the VM version they run. Production servers
> usually preffer more tested and stable VMs. 
> 
> Some people may also preffer an open-source VM ( kaffe, GCJ, etc ).
> 
> 
> Costin
> 
> 
>>Even now, TC4 is run on JDK1.4.
>>There is JDK 1.5 coming up, we would be one back.
>>
>>We do need to move ahead, and clean up the import so that TC5 does not
>>need to carry as much jars.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>V
>>
>>Henri Gomez wrote:
>>
>>>V. Cekvenich wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Does Tomcat 5 Target JDK 1.4?
>>>>It not...it should please.
>>>>Apple, IBM, BEA have JDK1.4 (betas) available to download.
>>>>
>>>>The imports might change a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>>Tomcat5 should support JDK 1.4 but JDK 1.4 MUST NOT BE A PRE REQUISITE
>>>for TC 5
>>



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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

[Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>]

V. Cekvenich wrote:

> Why? I say TC5 should require JDK1.4 or above.

Why would you decide for what other people ? 

> TC5 is JSP2.0.
> JDK1.4 is now available from multiple sources. It would make some code
> and imports easier.

Not everyone can play with the VM version they run. Production servers
usually preffer more tested and stable VMs. 

Some people may also preffer an open-source VM ( kaffe, GCJ, etc ).


Costin

> Even now, TC4 is run on JDK1.4.
> There is JDK 1.5 coming up, we would be one back.
> 
> We do need to move ahead, and clean up the import so that TC5 does not
> need to carry as much jars.




> 
> V
> 
> Henri Gomez wrote:
>> V. Cekvenich wrote:
>> 
>>> Does Tomcat 5 Target JDK 1.4?
>>> It not...it should please.
>>> Apple, IBM, BEA have JDK1.4 (betas) available to download.
>>>
>>> The imports might change a bit.
>> 
>> 
>> Tomcat5 should support JDK 1.4 but JDK 1.4 MUST NOT BE A PRE REQUISITE
>> for TC 5



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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

["V. Cekvenich" <vc...@basebeans.com>]

Why? I say TC5 should require JDK1.4 or above.

TC5 is JSP2.0.
JDK1.4 is now available from multiple sources. It would make some code 
and imports easier.
Even now, TC4 is run on JDK1.4.
There is JDK 1.5 coming up, we would be one back.

We do need to move ahead, and clean up the import so that TC5 does not 
need to carry as much jars.

V

Henri Gomez wrote:
> V. Cekvenich wrote:
> 
>> Does Tomcat 5 Target JDK 1.4?
>> It not...it should please.
>> Apple, IBM, BEA have JDK1.4 (betas) available to download.
>>
>> The imports might change a bit.
> 
> 
> Tomcat5 should support JDK 1.4 but JDK 1.4 MUST NOT BE A PRE REQUISITE 
> for TC 5



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Re: Tomcat 5 target JDK1.4?

[Henri Gomez <hg...@apache.org>]

V. Cekvenich wrote:
> Does Tomcat 5 Target JDK 1.4?
> It not...it should please.
> Apple, IBM, BEA have JDK1.4 (betas) available to download.
> 
> The imports might change a bit.

Tomcat5 should support JDK 1.4 but JDK 1.4 MUST NOT BE A PRE REQUISITE 
for TC 5



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