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Posted to user@lenya.apache.org by Martin Lüthi <an...@tnoo.net> on 2004/12/08 23:08:44 UTC
Lenya Installation
Hi there
First: I am really impressed how far you guys got with Lenya!
However, I have some small complains about the installation procedure as
documented on
http://lenya.apache.org/installation/source_version.html
I tried to install the last snapshot.
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In the section
Standalone Installation (using the built-in Jetty)
there is
7. Configure Lenya
cocoon.src.dir=$COCOON_HOME
tomcat.home.dir=$TOMCAT_HOME
which is quite confusing. TOMCAT_HOME should not appear here.
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Then I was confused by the use of $COCOON_HOME in the installation
instructions. I even have this set as an environment variable, but it is not
checked in the build.properties. Instead of hard-wiring a specific version
(namely ../cocoon-2.1.6) it should honor $COCOON_HOME or just read
../cocoon (which could be a simlink).
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Expect more "complaints" from a dummy user. And keep the good work going!
Best Martin
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Mark Lundquist <ml...@comcast.net>.
On Dec 8, 2004, at 6:00 PM, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>> On Mie, 8 de Diciembre de 2004, 17:26, Mark Lundquist dijo:
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Martin Lüthi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Instead of hard-wiring a specific version
>>>> (namely ../cocoon-2.1.6) it should honor $COCOON_HOME or just read
>>>> ../cocoon (which could be a simlink).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I concur — "../cocoon" is the way to go! :-)
>>
>> I put "cocoon-2.1.6" because this is the root directory inside the
>> cocoon.tar.gz. I don't know if this is the same name in the .zip
>> version.
>>
>> But if this is a problem, I can change it again. Just let me know. :-D
>
> I recommend sticking with a specific version declaration. We
> consistently have problems with users using the wrong version.
> Making the version explicit guards against this.
fair enough... +1.
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Jean Pierre LeJacq <jp...@quoininc.com>.
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> On Mie, 8 de Diciembre de 2004, 17:26, Mark Lundquist dijo:
> >
> > On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Martin L�thi wrote:
> >
> >> Instead of hard-wiring a specific version
> >> (namely ../cocoon-2.1.6) it should honor $COCOON_HOME or just read
> >> ../cocoon (which could be a simlink).
> >>
> >
> > I concur � "../cocoon" is the way to go! :-)
>
> I put "cocoon-2.1.6" because this is the root directory inside the
> cocoon.tar.gz. I don't know if this is the same name in the .zip version.
>
> But if this is a problem, I can change it again. Just let me know. :-D
I recommend sticking with a specific version declaration. We
consistently have problems with users using the wrong version.
Making the version explicit guards against this.
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
On Mie, 8 de Diciembre de 2004, 17:26, Mark Lundquist dijo:
>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Martin Lüthi wrote:
>
>> Instead of hard-wiring a specific version
>> (namely ../cocoon-2.1.6) it should honor $COCOON_HOME or just read
>> ../cocoon (which could be a simlink).
>>
>
> I concur "../cocoon" is the way to go! :-)
I put "cocoon-2.1.6" because this is the root directory inside the
cocoon.tar.gz. I don't know if this is the same name in the .zip version.
But if this is a problem, I can change it again. Just let me know. :-D
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
>
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Mark Lundquist <ml...@comcast.net>.
On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Martin Lüthi wrote:
> Instead of hard-wiring a specific version
> (namely ../cocoon-2.1.6) it should honor $COCOON_HOME or just read
> ../cocoon (which could be a simlink).
>
I concur — "../cocoon" is the way to go! :-)
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Martin Lüthi <lu...@gi.alaska.edu>.
Gregor
"Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org> writes:
>> First: I am really impressed how far you guys got with Lenya!
>
> heh :) ready to port some of your sites to lenya?
Already implemented a site for our Lab, and people really like it. Now I want
to get up to speed with custom doctypes for certain pages.
>> -----
>> In the section
>> Standalone Installation (using the built-in Jetty)
>> there is 7. Configure Lenya cocoon.src.dir=$COCOON_HOME
>> tomcat.home.dir=$TOMCAT_HOME which is quite confusing. TOMCAT_HOME should
>> not appear here.
>
> agree. care to send a patch?
Well just delete the line talking about TOMCAT in the section about the Jetty
installation.
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Martin Lüthi wrote:
> Hi there
>
> First: I am really impressed how far you guys got with Lenya!
heh :) ready to port some of your sites to lenya?
> However, I have some small complains about the installation procedure as
> documented on
>
> http://lenya.apache.org/installation/source_version.html
>
> I tried to install the last snapshot.
the documentation on the site is for the 1.2 branch, the snapshots are
1.4. we need to fix this.
> -----
> In the section
>
> Standalone Installation (using the built-in Jetty)
>
> there is
>
> 7. Configure Lenya
>
> cocoon.src.dir=$COCOON_HOME
> tomcat.home.dir=$TOMCAT_HOME
>
> which is quite confusing. TOMCAT_HOME should not appear here.
agree. care to send a patch?
> -----
>
> Then I was confused by the use of $COCOON_HOME in the installation
> instructions. I even have this set as an environment variable, but it is not
> checked in the build.properties. Instead of hard-wiring a specific version
> (namely ../cocoon-2.1.6) it should honor $COCOON_HOME or just read
> ../cocoon (which could be a simlink).
it used to be just cocoon, but some thought naming it explicitly would
be better.
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Martin Lüthi wrote:
> Yes, I did. But I built cocoon-2.1.6 before with the standard Cocoon build
> settings. Apparently the Lenya build just copies everything that sits in the
> Cocoon directory. Is this correct? Does one have to delete the cocoon/build/
> tree before the Lenya build?
correct, and yes.
> I noted something similar before: Suddenly all my Cocoon applications were in
> the Lenya build directory (eating a lot of space, because there were just
> simlinked into the cocoon/build/webapps directory).
>
> If my assumptions are correct: would it make sense to do a special restricted
> Cocoon build in a separate build directory, preferentially in the lenya tree?
for most cases, the default is probably fine.
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Martin Lüthi <an...@tnoo.net>.
Hi
"Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org> writes:
> you didnt supply the local.build.properies from lenya then. the faces block is
> not built by default when you use them.
Yes, I did. But I built cocoon-2.1.6 before with the standard Cocoon build
settings. Apparently the Lenya build just copies everything that sits in the
Cocoon directory. Is this correct? Does one have to delete the cocoon/build/
tree before the Lenya build?
I noted something similar before: Suddenly all my Cocoon applications were in
the Lenya build directory (eating a lot of space, because there were just
simlinked into the cocoon/build/webapps directory).
If my assumptions are correct: would it make sense to do a special restricted
Cocoon build in a separate build directory, preferentially in the lenya tree?
Thoughts?
Best, Martin
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
On Mie, 8 de Diciembre de 2004, 20:44, Gregor J. Rothfuss dijo:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>> While working on the lenya build system
>
> what exactly are you working on?
OK.... was nothing... It is reverted now.... :-D
>>, I tought: "The lenya build system
>> can also download and compile cocoon 2.1.6 for us. This is will make
>> things a lot easier for newbies"
>
> it already compiles cocoon (in the trunk). not sure if downloading it
> would make it that much easier to offset the maintenance and support
> overhead of having additional ways to build lenya.
>
> maybe one day, the precompiled cocoon blocks can be downloaded from
> somewhere.. sounds like maven to me :)
>
> i personally doubt its worth it. i think the build is now reasonably
> simple and effort should be rather put into making it easier to get
> started with your own publication (if we are talking about lowering the
> learning curve).
OK.
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Jean Pierre LeJacq <jp...@quoininc.com>.
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
> >, I tought: "The lenya build system
> > can also download and compile cocoon 2.1.6 for us. This is will make
> > things a lot easier for newbies"
>
> i personally doubt its worth it. i think the build is now reasonably
> simple and effort should be rather put into making it easier to get
> started with your own publication (if we are talking about lowering the
> learning curve)
I agree. One task the build system could do for us is validate the
correct version of Cocoon and that the correct build.properties file
was used.
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> While working on the lenya build system
what exactly are you working on?
>, I tought: "The lenya build system
> can also download and compile cocoon 2.1.6 for us. This is will make
> things a lot easier for newbies"
it already compiles cocoon (in the trunk). not sure if downloading it
would make it that much easier to offset the maintenance and support
overhead of having additional ways to build lenya.
maybe one day, the precompiled cocoon blocks can be downloaded from
somewhere.. sounds like maven to me :)
i personally doubt its worth it. i think the build is now reasonably
simple and effort should be rather put into making it easier to get
started with your own publication (if we are talking about lowering the
learning curve)
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
On Mie, 8 de Diciembre de 2004, 20:03, Gregor J. Rothfuss dijo:
> Martin Lüthi wrote:
>
>> What follows might be somewhat offtopic for this list (I think I should
>> complain on the Cocoon list and at myfaces.sf.net.)
>>
>> BTW. I managed to build the above snapshot with cocoon-2.1.6. Then I
>> tried it
>
> you didnt supply the local.build.properies from lenya then. the faces
> block is not built by default when you use them.
While working on the lenya build system, I tought: "The lenya build system
can also download and compile cocoon 2.1.6 for us. This is will make
things a lot easier for newbies"
I wanted to do that, but not sure if this is desired at all. Perhpas is
posible to make it as a new Ant target. It could be called:
"newbie-install", "newbie-demo", "newbie-install-demo", "install-and-run"
or... something like that.
WDYT?
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo.
>
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Martin Lüthi wrote:
> What follows might be somewhat offtopic for this list (I think I should
> complain on the Cocoon list and at myfaces.sf.net.)
>
> BTW. I managed to build the above snapshot with cocoon-2.1.6. Then I tried it
you didnt supply the local.build.properies from lenya then. the faces
block is not built by default when you use them.
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Re: web-app.dtd something wrong with [WAS: Re: Lenya Installation]
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> I removed it, but then Lenya doesn't run anymore properly.
best to take a look at how cocoon does the reference to the local catalog.
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Re: web-app.dtd something wrong with [WAS: Re: Lenya Installation]
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> Well, I noticed today, that Lenya cannot be build anymore because of
>> the web-app.dtd when one is being offline or a firewall is blocking
>> http requests.
>>
>> Also I noticed that Lenya includes
>>
>> src/webapp/WEB-INF/entities/web-app_2_3.dtd
>>
>> although Cocoon also ships with this library
>>
>> cocoon-2.1.5.1/build/webapp/WEB-INF/entities/web-app_2_3.dtd
>>
>> Any clue why this is got checked in?
>
>
> there was a discussion to upgrade from 2.2 to 2.3 a while ago. the
> entity can probably be removed, and the one from cocoon be used to
> make sure it points to a local copy.
I removed it, but then Lenya doesn't run anymore properly.
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Re: web-app.dtd something wrong with [WAS: Re: Lenya Installation]
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Well, I noticed today, that Lenya cannot be build anymore because of the
> web-app.dtd when one is being offline or a firewall is blocking http
> requests.
>
> Also I noticed that Lenya includes
>
> src/webapp/WEB-INF/entities/web-app_2_3.dtd
>
> although Cocoon also ships with this library
>
> cocoon-2.1.5.1/build/webapp/WEB-INF/entities/web-app_2_3.dtd
>
> Any clue why this is got checked in?
there was a discussion to upgrade from 2.2 to 2.3 a while ago. the
entity can probably be removed, and the one from cocoon be used to make
sure it points to a local copy.
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web-app.dtd something wrong with [WAS: Re: Lenya Installation]
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Martin Lüthi wrote:
> <>in the class WebXmlParser.class the following URL is invalid:
> http://java.sun.com/j2ee/dtds/web-app_2_2.dtd
>
> Going to that website, it sais the new URL is
> http://java.sun.com/dtd/web-app_2_2.dtd
>
> Editing the class file accordingly lets Lenya/Jetty get a step further.
>
> Huh, what's that???? They actually try to fetch a file from Sun??? Hmmm.
Well, I noticed today, that Lenya cannot be build anymore because of the
web-app.dtd when one is being offline or a firewall is blocking http
requests.
Also I noticed that Lenya includes
src/webapp/WEB-INF/entities/web-app_2_3.dtd
although Cocoon also ships with this library
cocoon-2.1.5.1/build/webapp/WEB-INF/entities/web-app_2_3.dtd
Any clue why this is got checked in?
Michi
>--------
>
>Best, Martin
>
>
>
>
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Martin Lüthi <an...@tnoo.net>.
Thanks Antonio
"Antonio Gallardo" <ag...@agssa.net> writes:
>> However, I have some small complains about the installation procedure as
>> documented on
>>
>> http://lenya.apache.org/installation/source_version.html
>>
>> I tried to install the last snapshot.
oooh, really? WTF! I used the latest nightly build
lenya_20041208231331.tar.gz 08-Dec-2004 15:15 5.8M
from http://svn.apache.org/snapshots/lenya/
> Gregor told the snapshots are from the lenya 1.2 and not the lastest SVN
> version. I will assume you used the SVN version.
OK, I'm downloading SVN right now. Hope that helps.
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What follows might be somewhat offtopic for this list (I think I should
complain on the Cocoon list and at myfaces.sf.net.)
BTW. I managed to build the above snapshot with cocoon-2.1.6. Then I tried it
lenya.sh servlet
and get a bunch of errors. One really really really strange error is that
there is a complaint (sorry, I closed the terminal, cannot post the message)
that in
lenya/build/lenya/webapp/WEB-INF/lib/myfaces-20041005m.jar
in the class WebXmlParser.class the following URL is invalid:
http://java.sun.com/j2ee/dtds/web-app_2_2.dtd
Going to that website, it sais the new URL is
http://java.sun.com/dtd/web-app_2_2.dtd
Editing the class file accordingly lets Lenya/Jetty get a step further.
Huh, what's that???? They actually try to fetch a file from Sun??? Hmmm.
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Re: Lenya Installation
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Hi Martin,
On Mie, 8 de Diciembre de 2004, 16:08, Martin Lüthi dijo:
> Hi there
>
> First: I am really impressed how far you guys got with Lenya!
Thanks. :-D
> However, I have some small complains about the installation procedure as
> documented on
>
> http://lenya.apache.org/installation/source_version.html
>
> I tried to install the last snapshot.
Gregor told the snapshots are from the lenya 1.2 and not the lastest SVN
version. I will assume you used the SVN version.
> -----
> In the section
>
> Standalone Installation (using the built-in Jetty)
>
> there is
>
> 7. Configure Lenya
>
> cocoon.src.dir=$COCOON_HOME
> tomcat.home.dir=$TOMCAT_HOME
>
> which is quite confusing. TOMCAT_HOME should not appear here.
$TOMCAT_HOME - in case you are using tomcat. But you are right, we need to
review this paragraph.
> -----
>
> Then I was confused by the use of $COCOON_HOME in the installation
> instructions. I even have this set as an environment variable, but it is
> not
> checked in the build.properties. Instead of hard-wiring a specific version
> (namely ../cocoon-2.1.6) it should honor $COCOON_HOME or just read
> ../cocoon (which could be a simlink).
I will check this one too.
> -----
>
> Expect more "complaints" from a dummy user. And keep the good work going!
Please, feel free to send them! :-D
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
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