SA or Maildrop

[Robert Bartlett <rb...@digitalphx.com>]

Currently I use a maildrop script that checks the score given to the email
by SA and if it reaches a certain number or greater it gets sent to a
different mailbox.

My question is could you do that instead in SA local.cf and if so which
one would be better in doing this? Should I keep the maildrop script or
use SA rules to send spam emails to a different mailbox?

Thanks
Robert

Re: SA or Maildrop

[p dont think <pd...@angrynerds.com>]

>>Currently I use a maildrop script that checks the score given to the email
>>by SA and if it reaches a certain number or greater it gets sent to a
>>different mailbox.
>>
>>My question is could you do that instead in SA local.cf and if so which
>>one would be better in doing this? Should I keep the maildrop script or
>>use SA rules to send spam emails to a different mailbox?

SA is not a filtering tool.  You should keep the Maildrop stuff in place.

Re: SA or Maildrop

[John Fleming <jo...@wa9als.com>]

> Currently I use a maildrop script that checks the score given to the email
> by SA and if it reaches a certain number or greater it gets sent to a
> different mailbox.
> 
> My question is could you do that instead in SA local.cf and if so which
> one would be better in doing this? Should I keep the maildrop script or
> use SA rules to send spam emails to a different mailbox?

Why not do that with procmail?  - john

Re: SA or Maildrop

[Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>]

At 04:32 PM 10/22/2004, Robert Bartlett wrote:
>Thanks everyone for the replies. Is there a good known site to learn more
>about maildrop scripts?

Other than the docs on the website, I know not much about maildrop.

http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/?maildropfilter.html

It's a very weak start. Hopefully someone else that actually uses maildrop 
can point out a better site.

Re: SA or Maildrop

[Robert Bartlett <rb...@digitalphx.com>]

Thanks everyone for the replies. Is there a good known site to learn more
about maildrop scripts?

Thanks
Robert

> At 01:48 PM 10/22/2004, Robert Bartlett wrote:
>>Currently I use a maildrop script that checks the score given to the
>> email
>>by SA and if it reaches a certain number or greater it gets sent to a
>>different mailbox.
>>
>>My question is could you do that instead in SA local.cf
>
> Others have pointed out that maildrop or procmail might be better.
>
> However, I felt I should at least point out that it is *impossible* to do
> this with SA...
>
> SA is just a piped message filter,  it's not a delivery agent. It has no
> concept of mailboxes, or mail delivery. It doesn't even have access to the
> message envelope, so it doesn't always know who a message is being
> delivered to (unless it can guess from the headers). It can no more
> replace
> your maildrop script than it can replace your MTA.
>
> SA's capabilities are strictly limited to editing the message. It cannot
> (on it's own) delete, redirect, bounce or whatever else you might want to
> do to alter message delivery, because it has no access to the delivery
> envelope. All SA can do is rewrite the headers and body, or use a return
> code from it's execution, and let other tools alter delivery based on
> that.
>
> While this is a bit of a limit on SA's capabilities, there's tons of tools
> (like procmail) which do delivery filtering very well. Adding delivery to
> SA is re-inventing the wheel for the sole purpose of creating a "kitchen
> sink" application. Leaving it out keeps SA simple and lets the developers
> focus on doing spam filtering well, not wasting time globing on a bad
> rewrite of procmail.
>
> Leave the "kitchen sink" approach to discount windows "business suite"
> applications and infomercial kitchen gadgets. I'd rather have a tool that
> does one job well, instead of a tool that does 50 jobs poorly. (It slices,
> it dices, it makes julienne fries, it even makes great coleslaw and fresh
> salsa! all for three easy payments of just $9.99!)
>
>
>
>
>

Re: SA or Maildrop

[Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>]

At 01:48 PM 10/22/2004, Robert Bartlett wrote:
>Currently I use a maildrop script that checks the score given to the email
>by SA and if it reaches a certain number or greater it gets sent to a
>different mailbox.
>
>My question is could you do that instead in SA local.cf

Others have pointed out that maildrop or procmail might be better.

However, I felt I should at least point out that it is *impossible* to do 
this with SA...

SA is just a piped message filter,  it's not a delivery agent. It has no 
concept of mailboxes, or mail delivery. It doesn't even have access to the 
message envelope, so it doesn't always know who a message is being 
delivered to (unless it can guess from the headers). It can no more replace 
your maildrop script than it can replace your MTA.

SA's capabilities are strictly limited to editing the message. It cannot 
(on it's own) delete, redirect, bounce or whatever else you might want to 
do to alter message delivery, because it has no access to the delivery 
envelope. All SA can do is rewrite the headers and body, or use a return 
code from it's execution, and let other tools alter delivery based on that.

While this is a bit of a limit on SA's capabilities, there's tons of tools 
(like procmail) which do delivery filtering very well. Adding delivery to 
SA is re-inventing the wheel for the sole purpose of creating a "kitchen 
sink" application. Leaving it out keeps SA simple and lets the developers 
focus on doing spam filtering well, not wasting time globing on a bad 
rewrite of procmail.

Leave the "kitchen sink" approach to discount windows "business suite" 
applications and infomercial kitchen gadgets. I'd rather have a tool that 
does one job well, instead of a tool that does 50 jobs poorly. (It slices, 
it dices, it makes julienne fries, it even makes great coleslaw and fresh 
salsa! all for three easy payments of just $9.99!)