RE: Using FM to implement a denial of service attack on an emaili ng list

[Lev Epshteyn <le...@corsis.com>]

Jon Revusky Wrote:

>To be perfectly honest, I might not *like* such a situation, but as long 
>as the post in question was truthful, I would certainly not start 
>screaming for censorship. In fact, that is about the very last thing I 
>would ever do.

>AFAICS, there is simply no other appropriate response in such a 
>situation. If you try to attack someone personally for making truthful 
>statements, if you start screaming for censorship, you will be doing 
>yourself a huge amount of damage.

>Now, that is what I would *say* in that situation. What I would *do* 
>would be to immediately look at the feature that the competing product 
>had and that we lacked and look at the desirability of implementing it. 
>The idea that we have to compete with other things in the same space is 
>something that I take as a matter of course. What is strange here is 
>that this almost seems like an alien concept here!!!????

. . .

>As I said before, all of my posts are truthful. If I say that FM has a 
>feature and Vel lacks that feature, then it's true. There is an easy way 
>to get me to stop saying that Velocity lacks the feature.

Jon, I don't think anyone on this list is questioning the truthfulness of
your statements.

What is being questioned, is their appropriatness and motivation behind
them. I simply do not see why you feel the need to come and repeat the same
points over and over again to an audience that is tired of listening. While
such flamewars may be entertaining, I belive you would agree that they are
taking away from the usefulness of this list. If it were a forum, I would
suggest there being a sticky post listing your pet points: No development
for a year, No decimal support, Horrible internal structure.

We've all seen it, we've argued about it. We get it.

Just because something is true (and remotely topical) doesn't mean it needs
to be repeated 10 times a day to people with no interest in hearing it.
There is no NEED for example to go onto some Republican mailing list and
keep posting that Bush lost the popular vote. Sure annoying Republicans is
fun, but don't pretend that you're doing the list a service.

As I said before I use Freemarker, and I greatly respect your programming
skills for what you were able to make of it (I also used the 1.x versions).
I just wish your sense of tact was on the same level.

P.S. Nobody is "screaming" for anything - but I do believe  you were asked
to leave this list once already (and did so voluntarily).

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