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Posted to dev@samza.apache.org by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com> on 2013/08/15 04:02:54 UTC
Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
(cross-posted to dev@samza.incubator and general@incubator)
Greetings, Samza community!
For those of you who are new to the Incubator or to the Apache Software
Foundation, here's a short list to help you get oriented:
* See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a practical
introduction to the Incubator experience.
* The mailing list general@incubator.apache.org is our public help desk.
Please feel free to inquire there if you have any questions about either
the Incubator or any aspect of the ASF. (Subscriptions:
<ma...@incubator.apache.org>)
* If you have a question you're not comfortable asking in a public forum
like general@incubator, please feel free to contact one of Samza's Mentors
or any other member of the Incubator PMC.
For general@incubator readers who may want to follow Samza's development,
the subscription address is <ma...@samza.incubator.apache.org>.
Wishing Samza the best of success,
Marvin Humphrey
Apache Incubator PMC Chair
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <da...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 09:01:52AM -0700, Ross Gardler wrote:
> In the unlikely event that you are still unable to find a resolution then you
> can escalate to the Apache Board via your regular board reports. Should the
> matter be urgent feel free to contact the board via board@apache.org at any
> time.
Actually, that's precisely the place to remind folks that out-of-cycle reports
are normal/encouraged/etc.
Suggested text:
In the unlikely event that you are still unable to find a resolution then you
-can escalate to the Apache Board via your regular board reports.
+can escalate to the Apache Board by submitting a report for the next monthly
+Board meeting (even if your project is not normally scheduled to report that month).
Should the matter be urgent feel free to contact the board via
board@apache.org at any time.
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Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Chris Riccomini <cr...@gmail.com>.
Hey All,
Thanks for the info! Great to be here.
Cheers,
Chris
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
> Good catch Daniel
>
> Samza community, be aware that the incubator is attempting to be more
> responsive to the occasional blocker on a podlings progress. You are the
> first of our podlings to receive this welcome email and as such you are
> also exposed to its "bugs". In all likelihood this "bug" will not affect
> you in practice.
>
> This discussion about the ombud is going around in circles and we need to
> close it. As an interim step I have edited the wiki to remove reference to
> the non-existent ombud. If the IPMC fails to deal with a podlings issue
> effectively then it is a failure of the IPMC and therefore a board issue.
>
> I've updated the para in the doc to say:
>
> "In certain circumstances, there are specific people charged with
> specific responsibilities. Over time you can expect to learn who they
> are, and where they hang out. Your mentors should be able to guide you
> while you do learn. If, for whatever reason, they are unable or
> unwilling to help you can ask on the incubator general list
> (general@incubartor.apache.org). If the topic is
> too sensitive to discuss in public (eg a potential committer) you may
> contact the incubator PMC at private@incubator.apache.org. In the
> unlikely event that you are still unable to find a resolution then you
> can escalate to the Apache Board via your regular board reports.
> Should the matter be urgent feel free to contact the board via
> board@apache.org at any time. Please note that
> all these channels are concerned with the community and infrastructure
> aspects of your project, they have no interest in implementation issues
> you may face - your on your own with those."
>
> Ross
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Senior Technology Evangelist
> Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
> A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 August 2013 08:27, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
>
> > Marvin Humphrey wrote on Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 19:02:54 -0700:
> > > * See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a
> practical
> > > introduction to the Incubator experience.
> >
> > My favourite part of this is how it first warns that "some of the
> > documentation may be out-of-date and if you ask about it you may get
> > a totally different response", and then gives an email address for the
> > ombudsman (and then warns that there's in fact no ombudsman)...
> >
> > Irony aside, that's at best a bug in WhatToExpect. (and at worst the
> > canary of that page growing all the same problems that existing
> > documentations have)
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Chris Riccomini <cr...@gmail.com>.
Hey All,
Thanks for the info! Great to be here.
Cheers,
Chris
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
> Good catch Daniel
>
> Samza community, be aware that the incubator is attempting to be more
> responsive to the occasional blocker on a podlings progress. You are the
> first of our podlings to receive this welcome email and as such you are
> also exposed to its "bugs". In all likelihood this "bug" will not affect
> you in practice.
>
> This discussion about the ombud is going around in circles and we need to
> close it. As an interim step I have edited the wiki to remove reference to
> the non-existent ombud. If the IPMC fails to deal with a podlings issue
> effectively then it is a failure of the IPMC and therefore a board issue.
>
> I've updated the para in the doc to say:
>
> "In certain circumstances, there are specific people charged with
> specific responsibilities. Over time you can expect to learn who they
> are, and where they hang out. Your mentors should be able to guide you
> while you do learn. If, for whatever reason, they are unable or
> unwilling to help you can ask on the incubator general list
> (general@incubartor.apache.org). If the topic is
> too sensitive to discuss in public (eg a potential committer) you may
> contact the incubator PMC at private@incubator.apache.org. In the
> unlikely event that you are still unable to find a resolution then you
> can escalate to the Apache Board via your regular board reports.
> Should the matter be urgent feel free to contact the board via
> board@apache.org at any time. Please note that
> all these channels are concerned with the community and infrastructure
> aspects of your project, they have no interest in implementation issues
> you may face - your on your own with those."
>
> Ross
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Senior Technology Evangelist
> Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
> A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 August 2013 08:27, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
>
> > Marvin Humphrey wrote on Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 19:02:54 -0700:
> > > * See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a
> practical
> > > introduction to the Incubator experience.
> >
> > My favourite part of this is how it first warns that "some of the
> > documentation may be out-of-date and if you ask about it you may get
> > a totally different response", and then gives an email address for the
> > ombudsman (and then warns that there's in fact no ombudsman)...
> >
> > Irony aside, that's at best a bug in WhatToExpect. (and at worst the
> > canary of that page growing all the same problems that existing
> > documentations have)
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <da...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 09:01:52AM -0700, Ross Gardler wrote:
> In the unlikely event that you are still unable to find a resolution then you
> can escalate to the Apache Board via your regular board reports. Should the
> matter be urgent feel free to contact the board via board@apache.org at any
> time.
Actually, that's precisely the place to remind folks that out-of-cycle reports
are normal/encouraged/etc.
Suggested text:
In the unlikely event that you are still unable to find a resolution then you
-can escalate to the Apache Board via your regular board reports.
+can escalate to the Apache Board by submitting a report for the next monthly
+Board meeting (even if your project is not normally scheduled to report that month).
Should the matter be urgent feel free to contact the board via
board@apache.org at any time.
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <da...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 09:01:52AM -0700, Ross Gardler wrote:
> This discussion about the ombud is going around in circles and we need to
> close it. As an interim step I have edited the wiki to remove reference to
> the non-existent ombud.
+1, thanks. (Scanned the text too, looks good except for "your on your" typo
on the last line)
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <da...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 09:01:52AM -0700, Ross Gardler wrote:
> This discussion about the ombud is going around in circles and we need to
> close it. As an interim step I have edited the wiki to remove reference to
> the non-existent ombud.
+1, thanks. (Scanned the text too, looks good except for "your on your" typo
on the last line)
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Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Good catch Daniel
Samza community, be aware that the incubator is attempting to be more
responsive to the occasional blocker on a podlings progress. You are the
first of our podlings to receive this welcome email and as such you are
also exposed to its "bugs". In all likelihood this "bug" will not affect
you in practice.
This discussion about the ombud is going around in circles and we need to
close it. As an interim step I have edited the wiki to remove reference to
the non-existent ombud. If the IPMC fails to deal with a podlings issue
effectively then it is a failure of the IPMC and therefore a board issue.
I've updated the para in the doc to say:
"In certain circumstances, there are specific people charged with
specific responsibilities. Over time you can expect to learn who they
are, and where they hang out. Your mentors should be able to guide you
while you do learn. If, for whatever reason, they are unable or
unwilling to help you can ask on the incubator general list
(general@incubartor.apache.org). If the topic is
too sensitive to discuss in public (eg a potential committer) you may
contact the incubator PMC at private@incubator.apache.org. In the
unlikely event that you are still unable to find a resolution then you
can escalate to the Apache Board via your regular board reports.
Should the matter be urgent feel free to contact the board via
board@apache.org at any time. Please note that
all these channels are concerned with the community and infrastructure
aspects of your project, they have no interest in implementation issues
you may face - your on your own with those."
Ross
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Senior Technology Evangelist
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
On 15 August 2013 08:27, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> Marvin Humphrey wrote on Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 19:02:54 -0700:
> > * See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a practical
> > introduction to the Incubator experience.
>
> My favourite part of this is how it first warns that "some of the
> documentation may be out-of-date and if you ask about it you may get
> a totally different response", and then gives an email address for the
> ombudsman (and then warns that there's in fact no ombudsman)...
>
> Irony aside, that's at best a bug in WhatToExpect. (and at worst the
> canary of that page growing all the same problems that existing
> documentations have)
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Good catch Daniel
Samza community, be aware that the incubator is attempting to be more
responsive to the occasional blocker on a podlings progress. You are the
first of our podlings to receive this welcome email and as such you are
also exposed to its "bugs". In all likelihood this "bug" will not affect
you in practice.
This discussion about the ombud is going around in circles and we need to
close it. As an interim step I have edited the wiki to remove reference to
the non-existent ombud. If the IPMC fails to deal with a podlings issue
effectively then it is a failure of the IPMC and therefore a board issue.
I've updated the para in the doc to say:
"In certain circumstances, there are specific people charged with
specific responsibilities. Over time you can expect to learn who they
are, and where they hang out. Your mentors should be able to guide you
while you do learn. If, for whatever reason, they are unable or
unwilling to help you can ask on the incubator general list
(general@incubartor.apache.org). If the topic is
too sensitive to discuss in public (eg a potential committer) you may
contact the incubator PMC at private@incubator.apache.org. In the
unlikely event that you are still unable to find a resolution then you
can escalate to the Apache Board via your regular board reports.
Should the matter be urgent feel free to contact the board via
board@apache.org at any time. Please note that
all these channels are concerned with the community and infrastructure
aspects of your project, they have no interest in implementation issues
you may face - your on your own with those."
Ross
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Senior Technology Evangelist
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
On 15 August 2013 08:27, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> Marvin Humphrey wrote on Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 19:02:54 -0700:
> > * See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a practical
> > introduction to the Incubator experience.
>
> My favourite part of this is how it first warns that "some of the
> documentation may be out-of-date and if you ask about it you may get
> a totally different response", and then gives an email address for the
> ombudsman (and then warns that there's in fact no ombudsman)...
>
> Irony aside, that's at best a bug in WhatToExpect. (and at worst the
> canary of that page growing all the same problems that existing
> documentations have)
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Marvin Humphrey wrote on Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 19:02:54 -0700:
> * See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a practical
> introduction to the Incubator experience.
My favourite part of this is how it first warns that "some of the
documentation may be out-of-date and if you ask about it you may get
a totally different response", and then gives an email address for the
ombudsman (and then warns that there's in fact no ombudsman)...
Irony aside, that's at best a bug in WhatToExpect. (and at worst the
canary of that page growing all the same problems that existing
documentations have)
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Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Hi Samza folks - welcome.
You are among friends here :-)
Ross
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Senior Technology Evangelist
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
On 14 August 2013 19:02, Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com> wrote:
> (cross-posted to dev@samza.incubator and general@incubator)
>
> Greetings, Samza community!
>
> For those of you who are new to the Incubator or to the Apache Software
> Foundation, here's a short list to help you get oriented:
>
> * See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a practical
> introduction to the Incubator experience.
> * The mailing list general@incubator.apache.org is our public help desk.
> Please feel free to inquire there if you have any questions about
> either
> the Incubator or any aspect of the ASF. (Subscriptions:
> <ma...@incubator.apache.org>)
> * If you have a question you're not comfortable asking in a public forum
> like general@incubator, please feel free to contact one of Samza's
> Mentors
> or any other member of the Incubator PMC.
>
> For general@incubator readers who may want to follow Samza's development,
> the subscription address is <mailto:
> dev-subscribe@samza.incubator.apache.org>.
>
> Wishing Samza the best of success,
>
> Marvin Humphrey
> Apache Incubator PMC Chair
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Marvin Humphrey wrote on Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 19:02:54 -0700:
> * See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a practical
> introduction to the Incubator experience.
My favourite part of this is how it first warns that "some of the
documentation may be out-of-date and if you ask about it you may get
a totally different response", and then gives an email address for the
ombudsman (and then warns that there's in fact no ombudsman)...
Irony aside, that's at best a bug in WhatToExpect. (and at worst the
canary of that page growing all the same problems that existing
documentations have)
Re: Welcome to the Incubator, Samza community!
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Hi Samza folks - welcome.
You are among friends here :-)
Ross
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Senior Technology Evangelist
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
On 14 August 2013 19:02, Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com> wrote:
> (cross-posted to dev@samza.incubator and general@incubator)
>
> Greetings, Samza community!
>
> For those of you who are new to the Incubator or to the Apache Software
> Foundation, here's a short list to help you get oriented:
>
> * See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect> for a practical
> introduction to the Incubator experience.
> * The mailing list general@incubator.apache.org is our public help desk.
> Please feel free to inquire there if you have any questions about
> either
> the Incubator or any aspect of the ASF. (Subscriptions:
> <ma...@incubator.apache.org>)
> * If you have a question you're not comfortable asking in a public forum
> like general@incubator, please feel free to contact one of Samza's
> Mentors
> or any other member of the Incubator PMC.
>
> For general@incubator readers who may want to follow Samza's development,
> the subscription address is <mailto:
> dev-subscribe@samza.incubator.apache.org>.
>
> Wishing Samza the best of success,
>
> Marvin Humphrey
> Apache Incubator PMC Chair
>
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> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
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>