website idea

[Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>]

Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:

https://ci.inria.fr

It's simple, yet modern.

I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good thinking of categories would work well.

-sebastien

Re: website idea

[Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>]

On Mar 5, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Geoff Higginbottom <ge...@shapeblue.com> wrote:

> Hi Sebastian,
> 
> That site is obviously powered by wordpress, would be good if we could identify what template was used
> 
> Regards
> 

I actually think it's using the default twitter bootstrap templates (as hugo mentioned).




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
> Sent: 05 March 2013 13:11
> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: website idea
> 
> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
> 
> https://ci.inria.fr
> 
> It's simple, yet modern.
> 
> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good thinking of categories would work well.
> 
> -sebastien
> ShapeBlue provides a range of strategic and technical consulting and implementation services to help IT Service Providers and Enterprises to build a true IaaS compute cloud. ShapeBlue’s expertise, combined with CloudStack technology, allows IT Service Providers and Enterprises to deliver true, utility based, IaaS to the customer or end-user.
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RE: website idea

[Geoff Higginbottom <ge...@shapeblue.com>]

Hi Sebastian,

That site is obviously powered by wordpress, would be good if we could identify what template was used

Regards

Geoff Higginbottom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 March 2013 13:11
To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
Subject: website idea

Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:

https://ci.inria.fr

It's simple, yet modern.

I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good thinking of categories would work well.

-sebastien
ShapeBlue provides a range of strategic and technical consulting and implementation services to help IT Service Providers and Enterprises to build a true IaaS compute cloud. ShapeBlue’s expertise, combined with CloudStack technology, allows IT Service Providers and Enterprises to deliver true, utility based, IaaS to the customer or end-user.

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RE: website idea

[Geoff Higginbottom <ge...@shapeblue.com>]

+1

Regards

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kelceydamage@bbits [mailto:kelcey@bbits.ca]
Sent: 05 March 2013 17:42
To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
Cc: <cl...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: website idea

I agree 100%, this is why I pointed out that at my company te ratio of frontent Dev/artists to back end is 2.2:1. Marketing is a different world then technology development. And it's generally lead by distinctly seperate visionaries.

We can not approach marketing and website appearance from a developer point of view. The wiki is for devs/users, the website is for sales(accept without any money) and marketing.

I think researching similar sites is important, and if we get a mock-up I am more then happy to have my web guys critique it, and provide suggestions.


Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:05 AM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:

> First thought: "noooooooooooooooo!" ;)
>
> Second thought: As ACS is a fairly major project and not a CI engine (sorry, but…), our website has three purposes:
> a) Get operational folks to want to try ACS
> b) Get developers interested in contributing to ACS
> c) Educate others about why ACS is so #@$@#$ awesome and they (or their teams, or their companies) should be using it.
> (feel free to expand/contrast on this)
>
> So, with that said - From my experience, the stereotypical Twitter Bootstrap sites do not say that to me. They say "this is a site that was quickly set up by a developer so he could get back to something else." There's not a single graphic element on inria's site - except for 2 buttons. Not pretty by any means, IMHO. I'm reminded of Ruby projects or Github projects who think 15 lines in their README.md is AWESOME for their project's website.
>
> Take a look at the other cloud provisioning project's site. Both looks better and does a better job of communicating what it is.
>
> Here's a few sites I've seen recently that I consider "pretty" and "modern" sites:
>
> https://jawbone.com/up - admittedly complicated
> https://www.meldium.com/ - probably bootstrap based, but at least
> looks good IMHO http://www.qualtrics.com/ http://couchdb.apache.org/ -
> Just pulled it up while looking through the ASF project list - not bad!
>
> One thing that we should probably do - look at the websites of other
> players in the space - OnApp, Eucalyptus, VMWare, etc. Our site has to
> play at that level, not a website built for an engineer looking for a
> CI platform (sorry, but…)
>
> I realize we need a site that's easy to manage and update, but let's see if we can balance that with something that people remember.
>
> John
>
> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>
>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>
>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>
>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good thinking of categories would work well.
>>
>> -sebastien
>
> Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
> o: 415.315.9385
> @johnlkinsella
>

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RE: website idea

["Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>]

Ouch! :)

But yes I agree with your comments as well, and once we have a wireframe, we can better take it to the slicing table(Film Reference) to get community feedback and quick changes to the mockup.

This is one area of CloudStack that will need to be treated like a business to be successful. And I see no harm in engaging external help, provided no rules are broken. IE having art assets and design donated.

I am going to see if anyone of my guys would be willing to submit a wireframe proposal, and I hope we can get a few proposals out of the community at large. Heck a good PR move might be to hold a website design contest.

Thanks


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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Hinkle [mailto:Mark.Hinkle@citrix.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:10 AM
>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: website idea
>
>Sorry I meant John nailed it.
>
>
>On Mar 5, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Kelcey nails I think we have adopted the format of most Apache
>> sites but not sure that it provides a clear cut experience for each of
>> our there e
>>
>> - Prospects - Potential users that come to CS.org and want to learn
>> screenshots, feature list, video webcast, case studies of successful
>> users etc.
>> - User - Resources for users including user guides, documentation,
>> support mechanisms, IRC logs etc.
>> - Developers - Users who want to extend or integrate with CloudStack
>> including developer guide, wiki links to integrated technologies (e.g.
>> Puppet Manifests, Chef Cookbooks, Nagios Plugins, etc.)
>>
>> I think that should be a design point should lead each type of user
>> down the path. Right now we provide a smorgasbord and users of the
>> site pick their own adventure. Perhaps we should be more prescriptive
>> to help improve their success.  I know Sonny floated a design already
>> but I don't think it addressed these points specifically. Maybe we
>> could take the feedback from this thread and have him do a rough wire
>> frame and critique it to get to where we need to be.
>>
>> Also I would be glad to donate a Crazy Egg or we could use Google
>> Analytics to figure out what people do on the site. Pre-Apache I knew
>> what things people used the most and helped make those things easier
>> to consume (screenshots, downloads and manuals where at the top of the
>list).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/5/13 12:42 PM, "Kelceydamage@bbits" <ke...@bbits.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree 100%, this is why I pointed out that at my company te ratio
>>> of frontent Dev/artists to back end is 2.2:1. Marketing is a
>>> different world then technology development. And it's generally lead
>>> by distinctly seperate visionaries.
>>>
>>> We can not approach marketing and website appearance from a developer
>>> point of view. The wiki is for devs/users, the website is for
>>> sales(accept without any money) and marketing.
>>>
>>> I think researching similar sites is important, and if we get a
>>> mock-up I am more then happy to have my web guys critique it, and
>>> provide suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:05 AM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:
>>>
>>>> First thought: "noooooooooooooooo!" ;)
>>>>
>>>> Second thought: As ACS is a fairly major project and not a CI engine
>>>> (sorry, butŠ), our website has three purposes:
>>>> a) Get operational folks to want to try ACS
>>>> b) Get developers interested in contributing to ACS
>>>> c) Educate others about why ACS is so #@$@#$ awesome and they (or
>>>> their teams, or their companies) should be using it.
>>>> (feel free to expand/contrast on this)
>>>>
>>>> So, with that said - From my experience, the stereotypical Twitter
>>>> Bootstrap sites do not say that to me. They say "this is a site that
>>>> was quickly set up by a developer so he could get back to something else."
>>>> There's not a single graphic element on inria's site - except for 2
>>>> buttons. Not pretty by any means, IMHO. I'm reminded of Ruby
>>>> projects or Github projects who think 15 lines in their README.md is
>>>> AWESOME for their project's website.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at the other cloud provisioning project's site. Both
>>>> looks better and does a better job of communicating what it is.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a few sites I've seen recently that I consider "pretty" and
>>>> "modern" sites:
>>>>
>>>> https://jawbone.com/up - admittedly complicated
>>>> https://www.meldium.com/ - probably bootstrap based, but at least
>>>> looks good IMHO http://www.qualtrics.com/ http://couchdb.apache.org/
>>>> - Just pulled it up while looking through the ASF project list - not
>>>> bad!
>>>>
>>>> One thing that we should probably do - look at the websites of other
>>>> players in the space - OnApp, Eucalyptus, VMWare, etc. Our site has
>>>> to play at that level, not a website built for an engineer looking
>>>> for a CI platform (sorry, butŠ)
>>>>
>>>> I realize we need a site that's easy to manage and update, but let's
>>>> see if we can balance that with something that people remember.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>>>>
>>>>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some
>>>>> good thinking of categories would work well.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sebastien
>>>>
>>>> Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
>>>> o: 415.315.9385
>>>> @johnlkinsella
>>>>
>>

Re: website idea

[Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>]

Sorry I meant John nailed it. 


On Mar 5, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com> wrote:

> I think Kelcey nails I think we have adopted the format of most Apache
> sites but not sure that it provides a clear cut experience for each of our
> there e
> 
> - Prospects - Potential users that come to CS.org and want to learn
> screenshots, feature list, video webcast, case studies of successful users
> etc. 
> - User - Resources for users including user guides, documentation, support
> mechanisms, IRC logs etc.
> - Developers - Users who want to extend or integrate with CloudStack
> including developer guide, wiki links to integrated technologies (e.g.
> Puppet Manifests, Chef Cookbooks, Nagios Plugins, etc.)
> 
> I think that should be a design point should lead each type of user down
> the path. Right now we provide a smorgasbord and users of the site pick
> their own adventure. Perhaps we should be more prescriptive to help
> improve their success.  I know Sonny floated a design already but I don't
> think it addressed these points specifically. Maybe we could take the
> feedback from this thread and have him do a rough wire frame and critique
> it to get to where we need to be.
> 
> Also I would be glad to donate a Crazy Egg or we could use Google
> Analytics to figure out what people do on the site. Pre-Apache I knew what
> things people used the most and helped make those things easier to consume
> (screenshots, downloads and manuals where at the top of the list).
> 
> Mark 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/5/13 12:42 PM, "Kelceydamage@bbits" <ke...@bbits.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I agree 100%, this is why I pointed out that at my company te ratio of
>> frontent Dev/artists to back end is 2.2:1. Marketing is a different world
>> then technology development. And it's generally lead by distinctly
>> seperate visionaries.
>> 
>> We can not approach marketing and website appearance from a developer
>> point of view. The wiki is for devs/users, the website is for
>> sales(accept without any money) and marketing.
>> 
>> I think researching similar sites is important, and if we get a mock-up I
>> am more then happy to have my web guys critique it, and provide
>> suggestions.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:05 AM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:
>> 
>>> First thought: "noooooooooooooooo!" ;)
>>> 
>>> Second thought: As ACS is a fairly major project and not a CI engine
>>> (sorry, butŠ), our website has three purposes:
>>> a) Get operational folks to want to try ACS
>>> b) Get developers interested in contributing to ACS
>>> c) Educate others about why ACS is so #@$@#$ awesome and they (or their
>>> teams, or their companies) should be using it.
>>> (feel free to expand/contrast on this)
>>> 
>>> So, with that said - From my experience, the stereotypical Twitter
>>> Bootstrap sites do not say that to me. They say "this is a site that was
>>> quickly set up by a developer so he could get back to something else."
>>> There's not a single graphic element on inria's site - except for 2
>>> buttons. Not pretty by any means, IMHO. I'm reminded of Ruby projects or
>>> Github projects who think 15 lines in their README.md is AWESOME for
>>> their project's website.
>>> 
>>> Take a look at the other cloud provisioning project's site. Both looks
>>> better and does a better job of communicating what it is.
>>> 
>>> Here's a few sites I've seen recently that I consider "pretty" and
>>> "modern" sites:
>>> 
>>> https://jawbone.com/up - admittedly complicated
>>> https://www.meldium.com/ - probably bootstrap based, but at least looks
>>> good IMHO
>>> http://www.qualtrics.com/
>>> http://couchdb.apache.org/ - Just pulled it up while looking through
>>> the ASF project list - not bad!
>>> 
>>> One thing that we should probably do - look at the websites of other
>>> players in the space - OnApp, Eucalyptus, VMWare, etc. Our site has to
>>> play at that level, not a website built for an engineer looking for a CI
>>> platform (sorry, butŠ)
>>> 
>>> I realize we need a site that's easy to manage and update, but let's
>>> see if we can balance that with something that people remember.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>>> 
>>>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>>> 
>>>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>>> 
>>>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good
>>>> thinking of categories would work well.
>>>> 
>>>> -sebastien
>>> 
>>> Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
>>> o: 415.315.9385
>>> @johnlkinsella
>>> 
> 

Re: website idea

[Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>]

I think Kelcey nails I think we have adopted the format of most Apache
sites but not sure that it provides a clear cut experience for each of our
there e

- Prospects - Potential users that come to CS.org and want to learn
screenshots, feature list, video webcast, case studies of successful users
etc. 
- User - Resources for users including user guides, documentation, support
mechanisms, IRC logs etc.
- Developers - Users who want to extend or integrate with CloudStack
including developer guide, wiki links to integrated technologies (e.g.
Puppet Manifests, Chef Cookbooks, Nagios Plugins, etc.)

I think that should be a design point should lead each type of user down
the path. Right now we provide a smorgasbord and users of the site pick
their own adventure. Perhaps we should be more prescriptive to help
improve their success.  I know Sonny floated a design already but I don't
think it addressed these points specifically. Maybe we could take the
feedback from this thread and have him do a rough wire frame and critique
it to get to where we need to be.

Also I would be glad to donate a Crazy Egg or we could use Google
Analytics to figure out what people do on the site. Pre-Apache I knew what
things people used the most and helped make those things easier to consume
(screenshots, downloads and manuals where at the top of the list).

Mark 





On 3/5/13 12:42 PM, "Kelceydamage@bbits" <ke...@bbits.ca> wrote:

>I agree 100%, this is why I pointed out that at my company te ratio of
>frontent Dev/artists to back end is 2.2:1. Marketing is a different world
>then technology development. And it's generally lead by distinctly
>seperate visionaries.
>
>We can not approach marketing and website appearance from a developer
>point of view. The wiki is for devs/users, the website is for
>sales(accept without any money) and marketing.
>
>I think researching similar sites is important, and if we get a mock-up I
>am more then happy to have my web guys critique it, and provide
>suggestions.
>
>
>Thanks.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:05 AM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:
>
>> First thought: "noooooooooooooooo!" ;)
>> 
>> Second thought: As ACS is a fairly major project and not a CI engine
>>(sorry, butŠ), our website has three purposes:
>> a) Get operational folks to want to try ACS
>> b) Get developers interested in contributing to ACS
>> c) Educate others about why ACS is so #@$@#$ awesome and they (or their
>>teams, or their companies) should be using it.
>> (feel free to expand/contrast on this)
>> 
>> So, with that said - From my experience, the stereotypical Twitter
>>Bootstrap sites do not say that to me. They say "this is a site that was
>>quickly set up by a developer so he could get back to something else."
>>There's not a single graphic element on inria's site - except for 2
>>buttons. Not pretty by any means, IMHO. I'm reminded of Ruby projects or
>>Github projects who think 15 lines in their README.md is AWESOME for
>>their project's website.
>> 
>> Take a look at the other cloud provisioning project's site. Both looks
>>better and does a better job of communicating what it is.
>> 
>> Here's a few sites I've seen recently that I consider "pretty" and
>>"modern" sites:
>> 
>> https://jawbone.com/up - admittedly complicated
>> https://www.meldium.com/ - probably bootstrap based, but at least looks
>>good IMHO
>> http://www.qualtrics.com/
>> http://couchdb.apache.org/ - Just pulled it up while looking through
>>the ASF project list - not bad!
>> 
>> One thing that we should probably do - look at the websites of other
>>players in the space - OnApp, Eucalyptus, VMWare, etc. Our site has to
>>play at that level, not a website built for an engineer looking for a CI
>>platform (sorry, butŠ)
>> 
>> I realize we need a site that's easy to manage and update, but let's
>>see if we can balance that with something that people remember.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>> 
>>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>> 
>>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>> 
>>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good
>>>thinking of categories would work well.
>>> 
>>> -sebastien
>> 
>> Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
>> o: 415.315.9385
>> @johnlkinsella
>> 

Re: website idea

["Kelceydamage@bbits" <ke...@bbits.ca>]

I agree 100%, this is why I pointed out that at my company te ratio of frontent Dev/artists to back end is 2.2:1. Marketing is a different world then technology development. And it's generally lead by distinctly seperate visionaries.

We can not approach marketing and website appearance from a developer point of view. The wiki is for devs/users, the website is for sales(accept without any money) and marketing.

I think researching similar sites is important, and if we get a mock-up I am more then happy to have my web guys critique it, and provide suggestions.


Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:05 AM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:

> First thought: "noooooooooooooooo!" ;)
> 
> Second thought: As ACS is a fairly major project and not a CI engine (sorry, but…), our website has three purposes:
> a) Get operational folks to want to try ACS
> b) Get developers interested in contributing to ACS
> c) Educate others about why ACS is so #@$@#$ awesome and they (or their teams, or their companies) should be using it.
> (feel free to expand/contrast on this)
> 
> So, with that said - From my experience, the stereotypical Twitter Bootstrap sites do not say that to me. They say "this is a site that was quickly set up by a developer so he could get back to something else." There's not a single graphic element on inria's site - except for 2 buttons. Not pretty by any means, IMHO. I'm reminded of Ruby projects or Github projects who think 15 lines in their README.md is AWESOME for their project's website.
> 
> Take a look at the other cloud provisioning project's site. Both looks better and does a better job of communicating what it is.
> 
> Here's a few sites I've seen recently that I consider "pretty" and "modern" sites:
> 
> https://jawbone.com/up - admittedly complicated
> https://www.meldium.com/ - probably bootstrap based, but at least looks good IMHO
> http://www.qualtrics.com/
> http://couchdb.apache.org/ - Just pulled it up while looking through the ASF project list - not bad!
> 
> One thing that we should probably do - look at the websites of other players in the space - OnApp, Eucalyptus, VMWare, etc. Our site has to play at that level, not a website built for an engineer looking for a CI platform (sorry, but…)
> 
> I realize we need a site that's easy to manage and update, but let's see if we can balance that with something that people remember.
> 
> John
> 
> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>> 
>> https://ci.inria.fr
>> 
>> It's simple, yet modern.
>> 
>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good thinking of categories would work well.
>> 
>> -sebastien
> 
> Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
> o: 415.315.9385
> @johnlkinsella
> 

Re: website idea

[David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Mathias Mullins
<ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
> David,
>
> Then why do we have a "Integration Partners" section of the wiki? We ask
> people to integrate but we don't want to mention that they integrate with
> it? Seems kinda backwards doesn't it? I know a lot of good companies that
> support the Open Source version and are very proud of that fact. Maybe
> it's just a ASF rule.
>
> Matt
>

No idea how that page come into being.
The content is really on how to integrate with CloudStack.
There simply isn't a mechanism for a corporation to partner. People
who come here work here as individuals, corporations have no standing.
ASF policy also specifically disclaims listing 'partnerships' between
external entities and an ASF project.

Keep in mind that the ASF is vendor-neutral (how can you be neutral if
you 'partner' with projects) and indeed has different goals than
businesses (the ASF is a non-profit). I suspect that much of that is
done to protect the non-profit status of the ASF.

This isn't to say that we don't value companies deciding to integrate
or dedicate resources to working on CloudStack. From a project
perspective we are a failure if people don't see the value and don't
choose to participate. Nor does it mean that we can't feature the
technical integration (e.g. posts extolling the awesomeness of the new
Ramifordistat integration in CloudStack). But we can't feature any
'partnership' between the Ramifordistat Company and Apache CloudStack
or the Apache Software Foundation.

--David

Re: website idea

[Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>]

Would it work if we just called it complimentary technologies and didn't imply an endorsement as you would with a partner? Just explain the integration and point to the tech, disclaimers and all.

Mark

On Mar 5, 2013, at 4:00 PM, "Mathias Mullins" <ma...@citrix.com> wrote:

> David, 
> 
> Then why do we have a "Integration Partners" section of the wiki? We ask
> people to integrate but we don't want to mention that they integrate with
> it? Seems kinda backwards doesn't it? I know a lot of good companies that
> support the Open Source version and are very proud of that fact. Maybe
> it's just a ASF rule.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On 3/5/13 3:54 PM, "David Nalley" <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Mathias Mullins
>> <ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
>>> It will actually flatten out a lot once the content is put in place,
>>> but I
>>> think I'm actually missing a lot of content here.
>>> 
>>> I'm also wondering if there is some of the content like partners and end
>>> users that needs to come off the Wiki and just go to a static page to be
>>> updated as new ones come on. For information that doesn't change often,
>>> I
>>> don't know if it is still a requirement to keep it on the wiki or how
>>> that
>>> works.
>> 
>> 
>> Not to pick nits, but we don't have partners. No one can really
>> partner with Apache CloudStack, we have no real mechanism for doing
>> such things.
>> If they come here to participate (as individuals from places like
>> Caringo, Broadcom, etc have) then they are part of the community (and
>> are individuals, not the company they are employed by)
>> 
>> --David
> 

Re: website idea

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

WellŠ that really doesn't change the conversation does it?

So let me re-phrase for the courtsŠ

Would we want to have a listing of those companies that have chosen to
have integration with the CloudStack Project? :-)

Matt 


On 3/5/13 4:09 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 02:59 PM, Mathias Mullins wrote:
>> David, 
>> 
>> Then why do we have a "Integration Partners" section of the wiki?
>
>We don't. 
>
>Well, we don't now. ;-)
>
>It's now "Companies with CloudStack Integrations."
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Companies+with+Clou
>dStack+Integrations
>
>We *did* have probably because someone created the page without being
>precise about the language used.
>
>> We ask
>> people to integrate but we don't want to mention that they integrate
>>with
>> it? Seems kinda backwards doesn't it? I know a lot of good companies
>>that
>> support the Open Source version and are very proud of that fact. Maybe
>> it's just a ASF rule.
>
>It's not a matter of not mentioning it, it's a matter of being specific
>about how we acknowledge the relationships of companies/organizations
>that do things around CloudStack.
>
>Apache projects do not have corporate partners. We have no procedures or
>mechanisms to accept a "partner," nor should we. Apache projects should
>be vendor neutral, it's about community and code.
>
>That said, we can list companies that have products that support Apache
>CloudStack - but they enjoy no special status within the project. Does
>that make sense?
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>-- 
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 02:59 PM, Mathias Mullins wrote:
> David, 
> 
> Then why do we have a "Integration Partners" section of the wiki? 

We don't. 

Well, we don't now. ;-)

It's now "Companies with CloudStack Integrations."

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Companies+with+CloudStack+Integrations

We *did* have probably because someone created the page without being
precise about the language used. 

> We ask
> people to integrate but we don't want to mention that they integrate with
> it? Seems kinda backwards doesn't it? I know a lot of good companies that
> support the Open Source version and are very proud of that fact. Maybe
> it's just a ASF rule.

It's not a matter of not mentioning it, it's a matter of being specific
about how we acknowledge the relationships of companies/organizations
that do things around CloudStack.

Apache projects do not have corporate partners. We have no procedures or
mechanisms to accept a "partner," nor should we. Apache projects should
be vendor neutral, it's about community and code.

That said, we can list companies that have products that support Apache
CloudStack - but they enjoy no special status within the project. Does
that make sense?

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

David, 

Then why do we have a "Integration Partners" section of the wiki? We ask
people to integrate but we don't want to mention that they integrate with
it? Seems kinda backwards doesn't it? I know a lot of good companies that
support the Open Source version and are very proud of that fact. Maybe
it's just a ASF rule.

Matt


On 3/5/13 3:54 PM, "David Nalley" <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Mathias Mullins
><ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> It will actually flatten out a lot once the content is put in place,
>>but I
>> think I'm actually missing a lot of content here.
>>
>> I'm also wondering if there is some of the content like partners and end
>> users that needs to come off the Wiki and just go to a static page to be
>> updated as new ones come on. For information that doesn't change often,
>>I
>> don't know if it is still a requirement to keep it on the wiki or how
>>that
>> works.
>
>
>Not to pick nits, but we don't have partners. No one can really
>partner with Apache CloudStack, we have no real mechanism for doing
>such things.
>If they come here to participate (as individuals from places like
>Caringo, Broadcom, etc have) then they are part of the community (and
>are individuals, not the company they are employed by)
>
>--David

Re: website idea

[David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Mathias Mullins
<ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
> It will actually flatten out a lot once the content is put in place, but I
> think I'm actually missing a lot of content here.
>
> I'm also wondering if there is some of the content like partners and end
> users that needs to come off the Wiki and just go to a static page to be
> updated as new ones come on. For information that doesn't change often, I
> don't know if it is still a requirement to keep it on the wiki or how that
> works.


Not to pick nits, but we don't have partners. No one can really
partner with Apache CloudStack, we have no real mechanism for doing
such things.
If they come here to participate (as individuals from places like
Caringo, Broadcom, etc have) then they are part of the community (and
are individuals, not the company they are employed by)

--David

Re: website idea

["Kelceydamage@bbits" <ke...@bbits.ca>]

Agreed! I also think we can take the opportunity to use the style for dual purpose website and wiki.

Allowing a continuous flow between content centers without any jarring transitions.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com> wrote:

> It will actually flatten out a lot once the content is put in place, but I
> think I'm actually missing a lot of content here.
> 
> I'm also wondering if there is some of the content like partners and end
> users that needs to come off the Wiki and just go to a static page to be
> updated as new ones come on. For information that doesn't change often, I
> don't know if it is still a requirement to keep it on the wiki or how that
> works. 
> 
> I think after we get the framework, the style guide has to come next. Once
> both those are both complete, then the website itself comes up.
> 
> Matt 
> 
> 
> On 3/5/13 3:24 PM, "kdamage@apache.org" <kd...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> Complex, but sound, a good starting point for review and discussion.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -Kelcey
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:21 PM
>>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: website idea
>>> 
>>> Take a look Kelcey and see if I got it.
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/5/13 2:56 PM, "Kelcey Damage (BT)"
>>> <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It would be nice to see a community element in the second tier. Object
>>>> being people coming to find info on future and past events, photo's, or
>>>> generally learn about the community.
>>>> 
>>>> KELCEY DAMAGE
>>>> Infrastructure Systems Architect
>>>> www.backbonetechnology.com
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --
>>>> kelcey@backbonetechnology.com
>>>> 
>>>> address: 55 East 7th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V5T 1M4
>>>> tel: +1 604 713 8560 ext:114
>>>> fax: +1 604 605 0964
>>>> skype: kelcey.damage
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:53 AM
>>>>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: website idea
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:41 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
>>>>>> Agreed!,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We can't really wireframe or skin it if we don't know/determine the
>>>>>> site flow first.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've started a flow diagram here using Gliffy:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Website+Resour
>>> ce
>>>>> s+and+Proposals
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is *just* a starting point, and is not meant to be at *all*
>>>>> complete. Just a
>>>>> springboard to start putting in some ideas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> jzb
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joe Brockmeier
>>>>> jzb@zonker.net
>>>>> Twitter: @jzb
>>>>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: website idea

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

It will actually flatten out a lot once the content is put in place, but I
think I'm actually missing a lot of content here.

I'm also wondering if there is some of the content like partners and end
users that needs to come off the Wiki and just go to a static page to be
updated as new ones come on. For information that doesn't change often, I
don't know if it is still a requirement to keep it on the wiki or how that
works. 

I think after we get the framework, the style guide has to come next. Once
both those are both complete, then the website itself comes up.

Matt 


On 3/5/13 3:24 PM, "kdamage@apache.org" <kd...@apache.org> wrote:

>Complex, but sound, a good starting point for review and discussion.
>
>Thanks
>
>-Kelcey
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:21 PM
>>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: website idea
>>
>>Take a look Kelcey and see if I got it.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>>
>>On 3/5/13 2:56 PM, "Kelcey Damage (BT)"
>><ke...@backbonetechnology.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>It would be nice to see a community element in the second tier. Object
>>>being people coming to find info on future and past events, photo's, or
>>>generally learn about the community.
>>>
>>>KELCEY DAMAGE
>>>Infrastructure Systems Architect
>>>www.backbonetechnology.com
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--
>>>kelcey@backbonetechnology.com
>>>
>>>address: 55 East 7th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V5T 1M4
>>>tel: +1 604 713 8560 ext:114
>>>fax: +1 604 605 0964
>>>skype: kelcey.damage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:53 AM
>>>>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>>>Subject: Re: website idea
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:41 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
>>>>> Agreed!,
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't really wireframe or skin it if we don't know/determine the
>>>>> site flow first.
>>>>
>>>>I've started a flow diagram here using Gliffy:
>>>>
>>>>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Website+Resour
>>ce
>>>>s+and+Proposals
>>>>
>>>>This is *just* a starting point, and is not meant to be at *all*
>>>>complete. Just a
>>>>springboard to start putting in some ideas.
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>jzb
>>>>--
>>>>Joe Brockmeier
>>>>jzb@zonker.net
>>>>Twitter: @jzb
>>>>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>>
>
>

RE: website idea

[kd...@apache.org]

Complex, but sound, a good starting point for review and discussion.

Thanks

-Kelcey

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:21 PM
>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: website idea
>
>Take a look Kelcey and see if I got it.
>
>Matt
>
>
>On 3/5/13 2:56 PM, "Kelcey Damage (BT)"
><ke...@backbonetechnology.com>
>wrote:
>
>>It would be nice to see a community element in the second tier. Object
>>being people coming to find info on future and past events, photo's, or
>>generally learn about the community.
>>
>>KELCEY DAMAGE
>>Infrastructure Systems Architect
>>www.backbonetechnology.com
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--
>>kelcey@backbonetechnology.com
>>
>>address: 55 East 7th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V5T 1M4
>>tel: +1 604 713 8560 ext:114
>>fax: +1 604 605 0964
>>skype: kelcey.damage
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:53 AM
>>>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>>Subject: Re: website idea
>>>
>>>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:41 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
>>>> Agreed!,
>>>>
>>>> We can't really wireframe or skin it if we don't know/determine the
>>>> site flow first.
>>>
>>>I've started a flow diagram here using Gliffy:
>>>
>>>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Website+Resour
>ce
>>>s+and+Proposals
>>>
>>>This is *just* a starting point, and is not meant to be at *all*
>>>complete. Just a
>>>springboard to start putting in some ideas.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>jzb
>>>--
>>>Joe Brockmeier
>>>jzb@zonker.net
>>>Twitter: @jzb
>>>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>

Re: website idea

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

Already got it Kelcey. Give me 10 to edit more.

Matt 


On 3/5/13 3:01 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:56 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
>> It would be nice to see a community element in the second tier. Object
>> being people coming to find info on future and past events, photo's, or
>> generally learn about the community.
>
>Edit boldly. ;-) 
> 
>Best,
>
>jzb
>-- 
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:56 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
> It would be nice to see a community element in the second tier. Object
> being people coming to find info on future and past events, photo's, or
> generally learn about the community.

Edit boldly. ;-) 
 
Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: Website flow (was Re: website idea )

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

I did try to encompass some of today and some new things as well, including consolidating some of the ideas from Sonny's idea and information as well. So it's a little of both, but definitely need some more time to take more time at it. 

Use cases is one that I'm going to add tomorrow when I get back. ;-)

Thank you,
Matt Mullins
Cloud Platforms Implementation Engineer
Worldwide Cloud Services
mathias.mullins@citrix.com
+1 (407) 920-1107

On Mar 7, 2013, at 1:06 PM, "kdamage@apache.org" <kd...@apache.org> wrote:

> I tend to agree, I do feel that this initial representation that Matt
> created is perfect for us to see what we are dealing with currently, and now
> we can open the discussion properly on change. I sure needed that map to
> fully see the scope.
> 
> I think the next step should be us working on story flows(user stories) for
> the new site design. (which I think the original map was focused on in it's
> simplicity).
> 
> But please let's not remove or delete the current map, but start building
> our story map below it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Kelcey Damage
>  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Website flow (was Re: website idea )
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 02:20 PM, Mathias Mullins wrote:
>>> Take a look Kelcey and see if I got it.
>> 
>> Thanks for taking a crack at this and filling it out.
>> 
>> It reflects what we have right now, but does this help to create a "story"
> flow
>> for admins, developers, or potential end users/developers?
>> 
>> I've heard a few folks voice the option that the site is "confusing"
>> right now - does this help us simplify anything? (Not criticizing what Matt
> has
>> adapted so far, I just think we need to be asking this and seeing how we
> can
>> simplify / improve the site not just visually, but the flow of the site and
> ensuring
>> people can find what they need.)
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> jzb
>> --
>> Joe Brockmeier
>> jzb@zonker.net
>> Twitter: @jzb
>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
> 

RE: Website flow (was Re: website idea )

[kd...@apache.org]

I tend to agree, I do feel that this initial representation that Matt
created is perfect for us to see what we are dealing with currently, and now
we can open the discussion properly on change. I sure needed that map to
fully see the scope.

I think the next step should be us working on story flows(user stories) for
the new site design. (which I think the original map was focused on in it's
simplicity).

But please let's not remove or delete the current map, but start building
our story map below it.

Thanks

-Kelcey Damage
 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:00 AM
>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Website flow (was Re: website idea )
>
>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 02:20 PM, Mathias Mullins wrote:
>> Take a look Kelcey and see if I got it.
>
>Thanks for taking a crack at this and filling it out.
>
>It reflects what we have right now, but does this help to create a "story"
flow
>for admins, developers, or potential end users/developers?
>
>I've heard a few folks voice the option that the site is "confusing"
>right now - does this help us simplify anything? (Not criticizing what Matt
has
>adapted so far, I just think we need to be asking this and seeing how we
can
>simplify / improve the site not just visually, but the flow of the site and
ensuring
>people can find what they need.)
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Website flow (was Re: website idea )

[Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 02:20 PM, Mathias Mullins wrote:
> Take a look Kelcey and see if I got it.

Thanks for taking a crack at this and filling it out.

It reflects what we have right now, but does this help to create a
"story" flow for admins, developers, or potential end users/developers? 

I've heard a few folks voice the option that the site is "confusing"
right now - does this help us simplify anything? (Not criticizing what
Matt has adapted so far, I just think we need to be asking this and
seeing how we can simplify / improve the site not just visually, but the
flow of the site and ensuring people can find what they need.)

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

Take a look Kelcey and see if I got it.

Matt 


On 3/5/13 2:56 PM, "Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>
wrote:

>It would be nice to see a community element in the second tier. Object
>being people coming to find info on future and past events, photo's, or
>generally learn about the community.
>
>KELCEY DAMAGE 
>Infrastructure Systems Architect
>www.backbonetechnology.com
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>kelcey@backbonetechnology.com
>
>address: 55 East 7th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V5T 1M4
>tel: +1 604 713 8560 ext:114  
>fax: +1 604 605 0964
>skype: kelcey.damage
> 
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:53 AM
>>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: website idea
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:41 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
>>> Agreed!,
>>>
>>> We can't really wireframe or skin it if we don't know/determine the
>>> site flow first.
>>
>>I've started a flow diagram here using Gliffy:
>>
>>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Website+Resource
>>s+and+Proposals
>>
>>This is *just* a starting point, and is not meant to be at *all*
>>complete. Just a
>>springboard to start putting in some ideas.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>jzb
>>--
>>Joe Brockmeier
>>jzb@zonker.net
>>Twitter: @jzb
>>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>

RE: website idea

["Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>]

It would be nice to see a community element in the second tier. Object being people coming to find info on future and past events, photo's, or generally learn about the community.

KELCEY DAMAGE 
Infrastructure Systems Architect 
www.backbonetechnology.com 
------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
kelcey@backbonetechnology.com

address: 55 East 7th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V5T 1M4
tel: +1 604 713 8560 ext:114    
fax: +1 604 605 0964 
skype: kelcey.damage 
 


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:53 AM
>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: website idea
>
>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:41 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
>> Agreed!,
>>
>> We can't really wireframe or skin it if we don't know/determine the
>> site flow first.
>
>I've started a flow diagram here using Gliffy:
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Website+Resource
>s+and+Proposals
>
>This is *just* a starting point, and is not meant to be at *all* complete. Just a
>springboard to start putting in some ideas.
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

Editing it already. :-)

Matt 


On 3/5/13 2:52 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:41 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
>> Agreed!,
>> 
>> We can't really wireframe or skin it if we don't know/determine the site
>> flow first.
>
>I've started a flow diagram here using Gliffy:
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Website+Resources+a
>nd+Proposals
>
>This is *just* a starting point, and is not meant to be at *all*
>complete. Just a springboard to start putting in some ideas.
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>-- 
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 01:41 PM, Kelcey Damage (BT) wrote:
> Agreed!,
> 
> We can't really wireframe or skin it if we don't know/determine the site
> flow first.

I've started a flow diagram here using Gliffy:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Website+Resources+and+Proposals

This is *just* a starting point, and is not meant to be at *all*
complete. Just a springboard to start putting in some ideas. 

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

RE: website idea

["Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>]

Agreed!,

We can't really wireframe or skin it if we don't know/determine the site flow first.

KELCEY DAMAGE 
Infrastructure Systems Architect 
www.backbonetechnology.com 
------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
kelcey@backbonetechnology.com

address: 55 East 7th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V5T 1M4
tel: +1 604 713 8560 ext:114    
fax: +1 604 605 0964 
skype: kelcey.damage 
 


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:21 AM
>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: website idea
>
>+1 on Joe's thought here that that we need to put together a framework
>before we can really put a website around it. We need to really come up with
>where are hot points.
>
>I know that Sebastian started this one back up, and I'm not sure, but did people
>miss the mock up that Sonny did as well? I think the original concept that he
>was going for may not be 100%, but is on the realm that John was talking about.
>Original, Specific and enticing.
>
>So let's get a redesign site map started on the wiki, and then build the website
>around that. Does that sound like a better way to tackle it?
>
>Matt
>
>
>On 3/5/13 1:31 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 12:28 PM, John Kinsella wrote:
>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>> > and we also need someone to actually come up with the design and
>>> > set
>>>it up on apache infra.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm going to touch base with our designers to see if we might be able
>>> to spare a few cycles to sketch something up.  No promises yet...
>>
>>Before we start getting (more) visual designs, do we have the story
>>flow that we want to use in place that would inform a new visual design?
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>jzb
>>--
>>Joe Brockmeier
>>jzb@zonker.net
>>Twitter: @jzb
>>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>]

cool, thx. 

On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>
 wrote:

> Here was Sonny's first mock-up.
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+website+redes
> ign+proposal
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On 3/5/13 3:19 PM, "John Kinsella" <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:
> 
>> Yep - I didn't mean to suggest that we were going to come up with a
>> design and go "here ya go everybody!" just seeing if we had bandwidth to
>> help on the design side. Will know later this week.
>> 
>> Totally concur on get ideas/flow figured out before trying to design for
>> it.
>> 
>> I heard Sonny was going to mock something up, but never saw the resultsŠ
>> 
>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> +1 on Joe's thought here that that we need to put together a framework
>>> before we can really put a website around it. We need to really come up
>>> with where are hot points.
>>> 
>>> I know that Sebastian started this one back up, and I'm not sure, but
>>> did
>>> people miss the mock up that Sonny did as well? I think the original
>>> concept that he was going for may not be 100%, but is on the realm that
>>> John was talking about. Original, Specific and enticing.
>>> 
>>> So let's get a redesign site map started on the wiki, and then build the
>>> website around that. Does that sound like a better way to tackle it?
>>> 
>>> Matt 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/5/13 1:31 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 12:28 PM, John Kinsella wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> and we also need someone to actually come up with the design and set
>>>>> it up on apache infra.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm going to touch base with our designers to see if we might be able
>>>>> to
>>>>> spare a few cycles to sketch something up.  No promises yet...
>>>> 
>>>> Before we start getting (more) visual designs, do we have the story
>>>> flow
>>>> that we want to use in place that would inform a new visual design?
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> jzb
>>>> -- 
>>>> Joe Brockmeier
>>>> jzb@zonker.net
>>>> Twitter: @jzb
>>>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
>> o: 415.315.9385
>> @johnlkinsella
>> 
> 
> 

Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
o: 415.315.9385
@johnlkinsella

Re: website idea

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

Here was Sonny's first mock-up.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+website+redes
ign+proposal

Matt


On 3/5/13 3:19 PM, "John Kinsella" <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:

>Yep - I didn't mean to suggest that we were going to come up with a
>design and go "here ya go everybody!" just seeing if we had bandwidth to
>help on the design side. Will know later this week.
>
>Totally concur on get ideas/flow figured out before trying to design for
>it.
>
>I heard Sonny was going to mock something up, but never saw the resultsŠ
>
>On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1 on Joe's thought here that that we need to put together a framework
>> before we can really put a website around it. We need to really come up
>> with where are hot points.
>> 
>> I know that Sebastian started this one back up, and I'm not sure, but
>>did
>> people miss the mock up that Sonny did as well? I think the original
>> concept that he was going for may not be 100%, but is on the realm that
>> John was talking about. Original, Specific and enticing.
>> 
>> So let's get a redesign site map started on the wiki, and then build the
>> website around that. Does that sound like a better way to tackle it?
>> 
>> Matt 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/5/13 1:31 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 12:28 PM, John Kinsella wrote:
>>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> and we also need someone to actually come up with the design and set
>>>> it up on apache infra.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm going to touch base with our designers to see if we might be able
>>>>to
>>>> spare a few cycles to sketch something up.  No promises yet...
>>> 
>>> Before we start getting (more) visual designs, do we have the story
>>>flow
>>> that we want to use in place that would inform a new visual design?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> jzb
>>> -- 
>>> Joe Brockmeier
>>> jzb@zonker.net
>>> Twitter: @jzb
>>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>> 
>> 
>
>Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
>o: 415.315.9385
>@johnlkinsella
>

Re: website idea

[John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>]

Yep - I didn't mean to suggest that we were going to come up with a design and go "here ya go everybody!" just seeing if we had bandwidth to help on the design side. Will know later this week.

Totally concur on get ideas/flow figured out before trying to design for it.

I heard Sonny was going to mock something up, but never saw the results…

On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>
 wrote:

> +1 on Joe's thought here that that we need to put together a framework
> before we can really put a website around it. We need to really come up
> with where are hot points.
> 
> I know that Sebastian started this one back up, and I'm not sure, but did
> people miss the mock up that Sonny did as well? I think the original
> concept that he was going for may not be 100%, but is on the realm that
> John was talking about. Original, Specific and enticing.
> 
> So let's get a redesign site map started on the wiki, and then build the
> website around that. Does that sound like a better way to tackle it?
> 
> Matt 
> 
> 
> On 3/5/13 1:31 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 12:28 PM, John Kinsella wrote:
>>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> and we also need someone to actually come up with the design and set
>>> it up on apache infra.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm going to touch base with our designers to see if we might be able to
>>> spare a few cycles to sketch something up.  No promises yet...
>> 
>> Before we start getting (more) visual designs, do we have the story flow
>> that we want to use in place that would inform a new visual design?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> jzb
>> -- 
>> Joe Brockmeier
>> jzb@zonker.net
>> Twitter: @jzb
>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
> 
> 

Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
o: 415.315.9385
@johnlkinsella

Re: website idea

[Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>]

+1 on Joe's thought here that that we need to put together a framework
before we can really put a website around it. We need to really come up
with where are hot points.

I know that Sebastian started this one back up, and I'm not sure, but did
people miss the mock up that Sonny did as well? I think the original
concept that he was going for may not be 100%, but is on the realm that
John was talking about. Original, Specific and enticing.

So let's get a redesign site map started on the wiki, and then build the
website around that. Does that sound like a better way to tackle it?

Matt 


On 3/5/13 1:31 PM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 12:28 PM, John Kinsella wrote:
>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > and we also need someone to actually come up with the design and set
>>it up on apache infra.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm going to touch base with our designers to see if we might be able to
>> spare a few cycles to sketch something up.  No promises yet...
>
>Before we start getting (more) visual designs, do we have the story flow
>that we want to use in place that would inform a new visual design?
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>-- 
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 12:28 PM, John Kinsella wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > and we also need someone to actually come up with the design and set it up on apache infra.
> 
> 
> I'm going to touch base with our designers to see if we might be able to
> spare a few cycles to sketch something up.  No promises yet...

Before we start getting (more) visual designs, do we have the story flow
that we want to use in place that would inform a new visual design?

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: website idea

[John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>]

On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> and we also need someone to actually come up with the design and set it up on apache infra.


I'm going to touch base with our designers to see if we might be able to spare a few cycles to sketch something up.  No promises yet...

Re: website idea

[Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>]

On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:05 PM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:

> First thought: "noooooooooooooooo!" ;)
> 
> Second thought: As ACS is a fairly major project and not a CI engine (sorry, but…), our website has three purposes:
> a) Get operational folks to want to try ACS
> b) Get developers interested in contributing to ACS
> c) Educate others about why ACS is so #@$@#$ awesome and they (or their teams, or their companies) should be using it.
> (feel free to expand/contrast on this)
> 
> So, with that said - From my experience, the stereotypical Twitter Bootstrap sites do not say that to me. They say "this is a site that was quickly set up by a developer so he could get back to something else." There's not a single graphic element on inria's site - except for 2 buttons. Not pretty by any means, IMHO. I'm reminded of Ruby projects or Github projects who think 15 lines in their README.md is AWESOME for their project's website.
> 
> Take a look at the other cloud provisioning project's site. Both looks better and does a better job of communicating what it is.
> 
> Here's a few sites I've seen recently that I consider "pretty" and "modern" sites:
> 
> https://jawbone.com/up - admittedly complicated
> https://www.meldium.com/ - probably bootstrap based, but at least looks good IMHO

that one looks good.

> http://www.qualtrics.com/
> http://couchdb.apache.org/ - Just pulled it up while looking through the ASF project list - not bad!
> 

we mentioned couchdb website before, as well as cordova. probably a bit too dev centric

> One thing that we should probably do - look at the websites of other players in the space - OnApp, Eucalyptus, VMWare, etc. Our site has to play at that level, not a website built for an engineer looking for a CI platform (sorry, but…)
> 
> I realize we need a site that's easy to manage and update, but let's see if we can balance that with something that people remember.
> 

and we also need someone to actually come up with the design and set it up on apache infra.

> John
> 
> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>> 
>> https://ci.inria.fr
>> 
>> It's simple, yet modern.
>> 
>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good thinking of categories would work well.
>> 
>> -sebastien
> 
> Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
> o: 415.315.9385
> @johnlkinsella
> 

Re: website idea

[John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>]

First thought: "noooooooooooooooo!" ;)

Second thought: As ACS is a fairly major project and not a CI engine (sorry, but…), our website has three purposes:
a) Get operational folks to want to try ACS
b) Get developers interested in contributing to ACS
c) Educate others about why ACS is so #@$@#$ awesome and they (or their teams, or their companies) should be using it.
(feel free to expand/contrast on this)

So, with that said - From my experience, the stereotypical Twitter Bootstrap sites do not say that to me. They say "this is a site that was quickly set up by a developer so he could get back to something else." There's not a single graphic element on inria's site - except for 2 buttons. Not pretty by any means, IMHO. I'm reminded of Ruby projects or Github projects who think 15 lines in their README.md is AWESOME for their project's website.

Take a look at the other cloud provisioning project's site. Both looks better and does a better job of communicating what it is.

Here's a few sites I've seen recently that I consider "pretty" and "modern" sites:

https://jawbone.com/up - admittedly complicated
https://www.meldium.com/ - probably bootstrap based, but at least looks good IMHO
http://www.qualtrics.com/
http://couchdb.apache.org/ - Just pulled it up while looking through the ASF project list - not bad!

One thing that we should probably do - look at the websites of other players in the space - OnApp, Eucalyptus, VMWare, etc. Our site has to play at that level, not a website built for an engineer looking for a CI platform (sorry, but…)

I realize we need a site that's easy to manage and update, but let's see if we can balance that with something that people remember.

John

On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>
 wrote:

> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
> 
> https://ci.inria.fr
> 
> It's simple, yet modern.
> 
> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good thinking of categories would work well.
> 
> -sebastien

Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
o: 415.315.9385
@johnlkinsella

Re: website idea

[Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>]

Hi Sonny,

I like it much more than the previous design which was too window7'ish to my taste.

I am a little underwhelmed by the white background.

Also I would be in favor of an equal size box for dev, docs and community. Located above News ?

I think the top banner (apache cs, about, community…) has too small a font. 



-sebastien


On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:15 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:

> Love it.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sonny Chhen [mailto:Sonny.Chhen@citrix.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:14 PM
>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: website idea
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Sorry I've been quiet on this, I just got back from a 2-week vacation. I worked
>> on another design that may be in-line with some of the samples and
>> feedback I've seen on this chain. Please see the design at the links below and
>> let me know your thoughts.
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/30754639/cs_s
>> iteV2.jpg?version=2&modificationDate=1363727488728
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+website
>> +redesign+proposal?focusedCommentId=30758521&#comment-30758521
>> 
>> Thanks You and Best Regards,
>> 
>> Sonny H. Chhen
>> Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems -
>> CloudPlatform
>> 4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA  95054, USA
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> Of Rohit Yadav
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:06 AM
>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: website idea
>> 
>> I thought we too are using twitter bootstrap.
>> These days I'm loving a new fork based on twitter bootstrap, flat-ui:
>> http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Hugo Trippaers
>> <HT...@schubergphilis.com> wrote:
>>> Looks like that are using the twitter bootstrap stuff
>>> (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)
>>> 
>>> Simple, and looks great
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:11 PM
>>>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: website idea
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>>> 
>>>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>>> 
>>>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>>> 
>>>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good
>>>> thinking of categories would work well.
>>>> 
>>>> -sebastien
> 
> 

RE: website idea

["Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net>]

Love it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sonny Chhen [mailto:Sonny.Chhen@citrix.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:14 PM
> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: website idea
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Sorry I've been quiet on this, I just got back from a 2-week vacation. I worked
> on another design that may be in-line with some of the samples and
> feedback I've seen on this chain. Please see the design at the links below and
> let me know your thoughts.
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/30754639/cs_s
> iteV2.jpg?version=2&modificationDate=1363727488728
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+website
> +redesign+proposal?focusedCommentId=30758521&#comment-30758521
> 
> Thanks You and Best Regards,
> 
> Sonny H. Chhen
> Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems -
> CloudPlatform
> 4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA  95054, USA
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf
> Of Rohit Yadav
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:06 AM
> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: website idea
> 
> I thought we too are using twitter bootstrap.
> These days I'm loving a new fork based on twitter bootstrap, flat-ui:
> http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/
> 
> Regards.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Hugo Trippaers
> <HT...@schubergphilis.com> wrote:
> > Looks like that are using the twitter bootstrap stuff
> > (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)
> >
> > Simple, and looks great
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:11 PM
> >> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: website idea
> >>
> >> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
> >>
> >> https://ci.inria.fr
> >>
> >> It's simple, yet modern.
> >>
> >> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good
> >> thinking of categories would work well.
> >>
> >> -sebastien

Re: website idea

[John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>]

I like - looks clean. Digging the colored header backgrounds.

John

On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Sonny Chhen <So...@citrix.com>
 wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> Sorry I've been quiet on this, I just got back from a 2-week vacation. I worked on another design that may be in-line with some of the samples and feedback I've seen on this chain. Please see the design at the links below and let me know your thoughts.
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/30754639/cs_siteV2.jpg?version=2&modificationDate=1363727488728
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+website+redesign+proposal?focusedCommentId=30758521&#comment-30758521
> 
> Thanks You and Best Regards,
> 
> Sonny H. Chhen
> Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems - CloudPlatform
> 4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA  95054, USA             
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rohit Yadav
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:06 AM
> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: website idea
> 
> I thought we too are using twitter bootstrap.
> These days I'm loving a new fork based on twitter bootstrap, flat-ui:
> http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/
> 
> Regards.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Hugo Trippaers <HT...@schubergphilis.com> wrote:
>> Looks like that are using the twitter bootstrap stuff 
>> (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)
>> 
>> Simple, and looks great
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:11 PM
>>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: website idea
>>> 
>>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>> 
>>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>> 
>>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>> 
>>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good 
>>> thinking of categories would work well.
>>> 
>>> -sebastien
> 

Stratosec - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
o: 415.315.9385
@johnlkinsella

RE: website idea

["Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>]

Hi Sonny,

Starting to look really good, and much more polished. I like it.

-kd


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sonny Chhen [mailto:Sonny.Chhen@citrix.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:14 PM
>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: RE: website idea
>
>Hello All,
>
>Sorry I've been quiet on this, I just got back from a 2-week vacation. I
worked
>on another design that may be in-line with some of the samples and feedback
>I've seen on this chain. Please see the design at the links below and let
me
>know your thoughts.
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/30754639/cs_sit
>eV2.jpg?version=2&modificationDate=1363727488728
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+website+r
>edesign+proposal?focusedCommentId=30758521&#comment-30758521
>
>Thanks You and Best Regards,
>
>Sonny H. Chhen
>Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems -
CloudPlatform
>4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA  95054, USA
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf
>Of Rohit Yadav
>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:06 AM
>To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: website idea
>
>I thought we too are using twitter bootstrap.
>These days I'm loving a new fork based on twitter bootstrap, flat-ui:
>http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/
>
>Regards.
>
>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Hugo Trippaers
><HT...@schubergphilis.com> wrote:
>> Looks like that are using the twitter bootstrap stuff
>> (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)
>>
>> Simple, and looks great
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:11 PM
>>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: website idea
>>>
>>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>>
>>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>>
>>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>>
>>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good
>>> thinking of categories would work well.
>>>
>>> -sebastien

Re: website idea

[Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 02:14:24PM -0700, Sonny Chhen wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Sorry I've been quiet on this, I just got back from a 2-week vacation. I
> worked on another design that may be in-line with some of the samples
> and feedback I've seen on this chain. Please see the design at the links
> below and let me know your thoughts.

Thanks for this, Sonny - I'm pretty excited about this design, overall.
We probably need to make some tweaks, but I really like this look. 

UI design/discussion can go off the rails pretty easily. I'm going to
start a second thread specifically for this design and would ask that
folks give really concrete feedback about any changes they'd like to
see, etc. 

Best,

jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
http://dissociatedpress.net/
Twitter: @jzb

RE: website idea

[Sonny Chhen <So...@citrix.com>]

Hello All,

Sorry I've been quiet on this, I just got back from a 2-week vacation. I worked on another design that may be in-line with some of the samples and feedback I've seen on this chain. Please see the design at the links below and let me know your thoughts.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/30754639/cs_siteV2.jpg?version=2&modificationDate=1363727488728

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+website+redesign+proposal?focusedCommentId=30758521&#comment-30758521

Thanks You and Best Regards,

Sonny H. Chhen
Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems - CloudPlatform
4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA  95054, USA             


-----Original Message-----
From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rohit Yadav
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:06 AM
To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: website idea

I thought we too are using twitter bootstrap.
These days I'm loving a new fork based on twitter bootstrap, flat-ui:
http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/

Regards.

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Hugo Trippaers <HT...@schubergphilis.com> wrote:
> Looks like that are using the twitter bootstrap stuff 
> (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)
>
> Simple, and looks great
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:11 PM
>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: website idea
>>
>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>
>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>
>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>
>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good 
>> thinking of categories would work well.
>>
>> -sebastien

Re: website idea

[Rohit Yadav <bh...@apache.org>]

I thought we too are using twitter bootstrap.
These days I'm loving a new fork based on twitter bootstrap, flat-ui:
http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/

Regards.

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Hugo Trippaers
<HT...@schubergphilis.com> wrote:
> Looks like that are using the twitter bootstrap stuff (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)
>
> Simple, and looks great
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:11 PM
>> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: website idea
>>
>> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
>>
>> https://ci.inria.fr
>>
>> It's simple, yet modern.
>>
>> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good
>> thinking of categories would work well.
>>
>> -sebastien

Re: website idea

[Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 07:15 AM, Hugo Trippaers wrote:
> Looks like that are using the twitter bootstrap stuff
> (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)
> 
> Simple, and looks great

We're using Twitter Bootstrap for the site as well - albeit maybe not as
prettily. ;-) 

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

RE: website idea

[Hugo Trippaers <HT...@schubergphilis.com>]

Looks like that are using the twitter bootstrap stuff (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)

Simple, and looks great

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:11 PM
> To: cloudstack-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: website idea
> 
> Hi, thinking about website designs, I ran into this one:
> 
> https://ci.inria.fr
> 
> It's simple, yet modern.
> 
> I think something along this line with CloudStack logos and some good
> thinking of categories would work well.
> 
> -sebastien