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tapestry to JSF conversion
hi,
I want to know how easy would it be to convert
tapestry to JSF application. Also vice-versa. Idea is
if we find problems in tapestry , we will convert it
to JSF and continue development in JSF.
Thanks,
Hari
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com>.
Or Tacos commiters, hehe :P
Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> Yes, if someone is looking for some cool points they ought to do this, I
> doubt any of the tapestry committers have time for something like this. :)
>
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Yes, if someone is looking for some cool points they ought to do this, I
doubt any of the tapestry committers have time for something like this. :)
On 12/8/05, Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> hari ks wrote:
> > hi,
> > I want to know how easy would it be to convert
> > tapestry to JSF application. Also vice-versa. Idea is
> > if we find problems in tapestry , we will convert it
> > to JSF and continue development in JSF.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hari
> >
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> I wonder if Tapestry should implement some kind of JSF integration
> layer. JSF is the "standard" after all. We just can't look the other way
> around and ignore it!
>
> Now, that'd be a separate project. There are tons of pending issues for
> Tapestry-Core and Tapestry-Components to be addressed first.
>
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com>.
Official Sun propaganda and being part of the J2EE specification ;). But
that's the reason I quoted it. It's a "standard", not a *standard*.
It's just to point out that lots of people will go out for that just
because it has "corporate support" (yeah right!) and that Tapestry
should acknowledge that.
Cosmin Bucur wrote:
> What makes JSF the standard ? 2 - 3 extra books published ?
>
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Cosmin Bucur <co...@gmail.com>.
What makes JSF the standard ? 2 - 3 extra books published ?
On 12/8/05, Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com> wrote:
> Konstantin Ignatyev wrote:
> > Tapestry can be used to create portlets, and JSF
> > supports them too.
> > I think this kind of integration is enough.
> > I think that an attempt to mix T and JSF components on
> > the page does not worth the efforts.
> >
> The problem would be for people migrating from one framework to the
> other. I think the main point of concern would be JSF beans - Tapestry
> pages integration ? That'd allow people to share variables and stuff.
>
> Anyway, if someone bites *that* bullet it'd be nice. But as Jesse say,
> just don't hope any committer have the time to check that now.
>
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com>.
Konstantin Ignatyev wrote:
> Tapestry can be used to create portlets, and JSF
> supports them too.
> I think this kind of integration is enough.
> I think that an attempt to mix T and JSF components on
> the page does not worth the efforts.
>
The problem would be for people migrating from one framework to the
other. I think the main point of concern would be JSF beans - Tapestry
pages integration ? That'd allow people to share variables and stuff.
Anyway, if someone bites *that* bullet it'd be nice. But as Jesse say,
just don't hope any committer have the time to check that now.
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com>.
> I wonder if Tapestry should implement some kind of
> JSF integration
> layer. JSF is the "standard" after all. We just
> can't look the other way
> around and ignore it!
>
Tapestry can be used to create portlets, and JSF
supports them too.
I think this kind of integration is enough.
I think that an attempt to mix T and JSF components on
the page does not worth the efforts.
Although, Icould imagine how JSF and T output can be
mixed on a page with AJAX, but I would not want to
touch such Frankenpage.
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com>.
hari ks wrote:
> hi,
> I want to know how easy would it be to convert
> tapestry to JSF application. Also vice-versa. Idea is
> if we find problems in tapestry , we will convert it
> to JSF and continue development in JSF.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Hari
>
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I wonder if Tapestry should implement some kind of JSF integration
layer. JSF is the "standard" after all. We just can't look the other way
around and ignore it!
Now, that'd be a separate project. There are tons of pending issues for
Tapestry-Core and Tapestry-Components to be addressed first.
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by John Coleman <jo...@ntlworld.com>.
These frameworks are very different, such conversion would not be
straightforeward, although there are some parallels. I believe you would
really being doing a rewrite. This would waste a lot of time!
If there is a problem in Tapestry, it could be addressed in this forum, and
the code is open source so that it might be possible to fix it directly
yourself anyway. Otherwise you could possibly pay a Tapestry consultant to
help you?
Tapestry is well matured technology now, I do not think you should worry
about having significant problems. It can be integrated with JSP if you
really have to because of some particular requirement not working with
Tapestry. With Tapestry, you need to make sure you are happy with things
like URLs, form handling and the validation. Basically anything that imposes
how you do things that might not work with other technologies in some cases.
John
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Subject: tapestry to JSF conversion
> hi,
> I want to know how easy would it be to convert
> tapestry to JSF application. Also vice-versa. Idea is
> if we find problems in tapestry , we will convert it
> to JSF and continue development in JSF.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Hari
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Cosmin Bucur <co...@gmail.com>.
I think u'll be stuck at starting a new presentation layer from
scratch . best thing you can do is decouple your bl layer as much as
you can and then just replace the presentation layer .
you could probably be able to plan this better if you would know both
jsf and tapestry inside out , in which case you wouldn't be asking
this question :)
On 12/8/05, Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> JSF is not problem free too :)
> There are couple of comparisons:
> http://sandbox.sourcelabs.com/kosta/web_ui_compare/readme/index.html
> http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss?l=JSFTapestry
>
> --- hari ks <ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > hi,
> > I want to know how easy would it be to convert
> > tapestry to JSF application. Also vice-versa. Idea
> > is
> > if we find problems in tapestry , we will convert it
> > to JSF and continue development in JSF.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hari
> >
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Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Posted by Konstantin Ignatyev <kg...@yahoo.com>.
JSF is not problem free too :)
There are couple of comparisons:
http://sandbox.sourcelabs.com/kosta/web_ui_compare/readme/index.html
http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss?l=JSFTapestry
--- hari ks <ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> hi,
> I want to know how easy would it be to convert
> tapestry to JSF application. Also vice-versa. Idea
> is
> if we find problems in tapestry , we will convert it
> to JSF and continue development in JSF.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Hari
>
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PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000
Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)
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