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Posted to user@jmeter.apache.org by Josh Feldman <jo...@eons.com> on 2006/09/11 22:25:14 UTC
Getting started in the QA field
I recent got started for the QA department for my company which is a
website and I was looking for a little guidance in order to do my job
better.
Right now the tools I use are my eyes and ears, and the basic
functionality of jmeter. There are lots of components of the software
that are way over my head.
I realize there is a lot more that I should be learning but I don't know
where to start.
My programming skills are at the novice level at best, I haven't done
actual programming for some time. Therefore I'm not sure what computer
language I should try to learn first. My company's applications are made
primary using Ruby so would it be wise to learn that language? On the
other hand Python has also been suggested to me by my supervisor even
though some of the engineers aren't sure that is the best way to go.
Or should I avoid languages and point my learning in another direction
In addition are there any good websites, books or other media that I
should be reading and following. I'm not sure if this is my final career
but it will be for the time to come.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Josh Feldman
Re: Getting started in the QA field
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
Seems to me that it depends on the level of QA whether it is necessary
to have any programming experience or not. If the QA involves
determining whether programming has been done to standards, then of
course one needs in-depth knowledge of the language.
But for testing systems and applications I don't think it is so
necessary. It does help to have some idea of where mistakes are likely
to be made, so that the appropriate conditions can be tested. But I
suspect the same sort of mistakes are likely to be made in any
language, for example boundary conditions, external data validation
etc.
It helps to be familiar with spreadsheets and graphical presentation,
and some knowledge of statistics is essential for performance testing.
For testing web applications, it helps to have at least some idea of
what goes on in the HTTP protocol and TCP/IP.
Just my 2p.
S
On 12/09/06, Rishay Marajah <ri...@consology.com> wrote:
> I agree with Alex on getting started with some Javascript.
>
> I found www.stickyminds.com to be a very valuable site on SQA. I also
> recommend reading some book on System Analysis and Design to gain a
> better understanding of the SDLC and the role a QA person can play n all
> the phases.
>
> JMeter and Badboy are good tools to get started on. I think novice
> level programming will be sufficient enough to get you working on these
> tools.
>
> As Alex mentioned, if you seriously want to get into QA you will have to
> get skilled up on the programming language your company is using.
>
>
> Rishay Marajah
> QA Developer / Test Analyst / Jmeter Dark Templer
> Mobile: +27 84 884 8633
> MSN: Rishay@hotmail.com
> Direct Line: +27 11 575 1355
> Direct Fax: +27 11 576 1355
> Consology (Pty) Ltd
> www.consology.com
> Connect to better Business
>
> The Definition of an Upgrade: Take out old bugs and put new ones in
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Turner [mailto:Alex.Turner@Project-Network.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 AM
> To: JMeter Users List
> Subject: RE: Getting started in the QA field
>
> Josh,
>
> If you are testing anything on the web, and or using JMeter, then you
> should learn some JavaScript as this is what JMeter uses quite a bit and
> is used on the internet a lot.
>
> I am a little concerned to think that you have no programming knowledge
> of substance. All these scripting languages - python, ruby, php etc -
> are a bad place to learn about programming. They lack discipline and
> structure and hide the programmer from the inner workings of the
> program. These can be assets for an experienced programmer, but start
> off bad habits in the novice.
>
> If you seriously want to get into QA then you should learn some serious
> programming techniques so that you have an insight into what is going on
> behind the scenes. I would suggest, as ever, that you go learn enough C
> to write a small program, then as least you will understand what is
> going on from a nuts and bolts point of view.
>
> Good luck
>
> AJ
>
> Alexander J Turner Ph.D.
> www.deployview.com
> www.nerds-central.blogspot.com
> www.project-network.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Feldman [mailto:josh@eons.com]
> Sent: 11 September 2006 21:25
> To: jmeter-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Getting started in the QA field
>
> I recent got started for the QA department for my company which is a
> website and I was looking for a little guidance in order to do my job
> better.
>
>
>
> Right now the tools I use are my eyes and ears, and the basic
> functionality of jmeter. There are lots of components of the software
> that are way over my head.
>
>
>
> I realize there is a lot more that I should be learning but I don't know
> where to start.
>
>
>
> My programming skills are at the novice level at best, I haven't done
> actual programming for some time. Therefore I'm not sure what computer
> language I should try to learn first. My company's applications are made
> primary using Ruby so would it be wise to learn that language? On the
> other hand Python has also been suggested to me by my supervisor even
> though some of the engineers aren't sure that is the best way to go.
>
>
>
> Or should I avoid languages and point my learning in another direction
>
>
>
> In addition are there any good websites, books or other media that I
> should be reading and following. I'm not sure if this is my final career
> but it will be for the time to come.
>
>
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated
>
> Josh Feldman
>
>
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RE: Getting started in the QA field
Posted by Rishay Marajah <ri...@consology.com>.
I agree with Alex on getting started with some Javascript.
I found www.stickyminds.com to be a very valuable site on SQA. I also
recommend reading some book on System Analysis and Design to gain a
better understanding of the SDLC and the role a QA person can play n all
the phases.
JMeter and Badboy are good tools to get started on. I think novice
level programming will be sufficient enough to get you working on these
tools.
As Alex mentioned, if you seriously want to get into QA you will have to
get skilled up on the programming language your company is using.
Rishay Marajah
QA Developer / Test Analyst / Jmeter Dark Templer
Mobile: +27 84 884 8633
MSN: Rishay@hotmail.com
Direct Line: +27 11 575 1355
Direct Fax: +27 11 576 1355
Consology (Pty) Ltd
www.consology.com
Connect to better Business
The Definition of an Upgrade: Take out old bugs and put new ones in
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Turner [mailto:Alex.Turner@Project-Network.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 AM
To: JMeter Users List
Subject: RE: Getting started in the QA field
Josh,
If you are testing anything on the web, and or using JMeter, then you
should learn some JavaScript as this is what JMeter uses quite a bit and
is used on the internet a lot.
I am a little concerned to think that you have no programming knowledge
of substance. All these scripting languages - python, ruby, php etc -
are a bad place to learn about programming. They lack discipline and
structure and hide the programmer from the inner workings of the
program. These can be assets for an experienced programmer, but start
off bad habits in the novice.
If you seriously want to get into QA then you should learn some serious
programming techniques so that you have an insight into what is going on
behind the scenes. I would suggest, as ever, that you go learn enough C
to write a small program, then as least you will understand what is
going on from a nuts and bolts point of view.
Good luck
AJ
Alexander J Turner Ph.D.
www.deployview.com
www.nerds-central.blogspot.com
www.project-network.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Feldman [mailto:josh@eons.com]
Sent: 11 September 2006 21:25
To: jmeter-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Getting started in the QA field
I recent got started for the QA department for my company which is a
website and I was looking for a little guidance in order to do my job
better.
Right now the tools I use are my eyes and ears, and the basic
functionality of jmeter. There are lots of components of the software
that are way over my head.
I realize there is a lot more that I should be learning but I don't know
where to start.
My programming skills are at the novice level at best, I haven't done
actual programming for some time. Therefore I'm not sure what computer
language I should try to learn first. My company's applications are made
primary using Ruby so would it be wise to learn that language? On the
other hand Python has also been suggested to me by my supervisor even
though some of the engineers aren't sure that is the best way to go.
Or should I avoid languages and point my learning in another direction
In addition are there any good websites, books or other media that I
should be reading and following. I'm not sure if this is my final career
but it will be for the time to come.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Josh Feldman
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RE: Getting started in the QA field
Posted by Alex Turner <Al...@Project-Network.com>.
Josh,
If you are testing anything on the web, and or using JMeter, then you should learn some JavaScript as this is what JMeter uses quite a bit and is used on the internet a lot.
I am a little concerned to think that you have no programming knowledge of substance. All these scripting languages - python, ruby, php etc - are a bad place to learn about programming. They lack discipline and structure and hide the programmer from the inner workings of the program. These can be assets for an experienced programmer, but start off bad habits in the novice.
If you seriously want to get into QA then you should learn some serious programming techniques so that you have an insight into what is going on behind the scenes. I would suggest, as ever, that you go learn enough C to write a small program, then as least you will understand what is going on from a nuts and bolts point of view.
Good luck
AJ
Alexander J Turner Ph.D.
www.deployview.com
www.nerds-central.blogspot.com
www.project-network.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Feldman [mailto:josh@eons.com]
Sent: 11 September 2006 21:25
To: jmeter-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Getting started in the QA field
I recent got started for the QA department for my company which is a
website and I was looking for a little guidance in order to do my job
better.
Right now the tools I use are my eyes and ears, and the basic
functionality of jmeter. There are lots of components of the software
that are way over my head.
I realize there is a lot more that I should be learning but I don't know
where to start.
My programming skills are at the novice level at best, I haven't done
actual programming for some time. Therefore I'm not sure what computer
language I should try to learn first. My company's applications are made
primary using Ruby so would it be wise to learn that language? On the
other hand Python has also been suggested to me by my supervisor even
though some of the engineers aren't sure that is the best way to go.
Or should I avoid languages and point my learning in another direction
In addition are there any good websites, books or other media that I
should be reading and following. I'm not sure if this is my final career
but it will be for the time to come.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Josh Feldman
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