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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> on 2010/10/20 01:02:02 UTC
Re: Features and OBR
I think I have a solution to partially solve the problem. Of the main
interest in OBR imho is that it knows what is installed in the framework
already, so it can be used to avoid duplicating libraries in different
versions that are not needed (if you need spring-core 3.0.3 but spring-core
3.0.4 is installed, there's no need to install both usually).
The problem is that the use of OBR usually require OBR repositories. I
think I can get rid of that by creating a dummy OBR repository from the
features descriptors and flagging some bundles in the features descriptor as
optional (or dependencies).
For example, in the current descriptor repoitory we have:
<feature name="jasypt-encryption" version="2.1.99-SNAPSHOT">
<bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/1.3_3</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/2.4_4</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.jasypt/1.6_1</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
</feature>
But really, the key bundle here is
the mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT
one, whereas the three others are just dependency whith versions that could
be changed (provided they are still in the required range). This would mean
that if commons-lang-2.5 has already been installed through another feature,
there's no need to install another version of it.
In addition, I think supporting dependency on feature ranges would be really
important as it would help greatly when depending on spring 2.x or 3.x for
example.
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:29, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That could be a good way. I haven't experimented that really, but I
> think it would at least give the freedom to the resolver to reuse
> locally installed bundles, so that's obviously a really good start.
>
> As for OBR itself, I've added to the maven bundle plugin a goal that
> can be used to build an obr repository out of a maven repository in a
> directory. This goal can also generated maven urls instead of the
> file:// urls that it would give. Thus giving an additional
> indirection in the url instead of pointing directly to the http
> location.
>
> I think from a production pov, what would be needed is some kind of
> maven repository (nexus or archiva) coupled with an OBR repository.
> This way, the deployer would be responsibe for adding authorized
> artifacts in the repository and that would automatically update an obr
> repository descriptor with the added artifacts.
> The problem is that this way of seeing the problem does not work well
> in a non controlled environment such as most users do when they allow
> access to maven central ... So in that case, your approach of using
> the maven dependencies could be a good solution.
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 18:34, David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >
> >> I've just added support for pluggable resolvers for features.
> >> I've also created an OBR based resolver that is installed with the obr
> feature.
> >>
> >> Now you can do the following:
> >>
> >> <feature name="xx" version="yy" resolver="obr">
> >>
> <bundle>bundle:(&(symbolicname=org.apache.camel.camel-blueprint)(version>=2.4.0)(version<2.4.1))</bundle>
> >> </feature>
> >>
> >> If OBR has been configured with the needed repositories, it will
> >> install camel-blueprint bundle with all the required dependencies.
> >> The benefit is that you don't have to specify all the dependencies,
> >> but only the key bundles. The added benefit is that the deployment
> >> will leverage what is already installed and you don't have to maintain
> >> an homogeneous set of repositories (for example, you should not have
> >> to specify which version of spring you want to use and obr will reuse
> >> the one installed if possible, or choose which one to install based on
> >> the constraints expressed by the bundles).
> >>
> >> I haven't updated the feature descriptor yet, mostly because we don't
> >> have a obr repository which contain all the bundles we need.
> >> I have one locally that contain all the bundles present on maven
> >> central, but it's a bit too big to be used in this context, so not
> >> sure how to handle that yet.
> >>
> >> Anyway, just wanted to give a heads up on that.
> >
> >
> > One of the points of friction I see between maven and osgi is that in
> maven you explicitly specify which artifacts supply your needed
> dependencies whereas in osgi they magically appear from something like OBR.
> I've always wondered where the OBR-like info is supposed to come from. On
> the other hand, if you are using maven to build, you have a reasonable set
> of candidate artifacts in the maven dependencies (assuming they are all
> bundles).
> >
> > Something I started experimenting with in geronimo is to, for each
> feature, construct an OBR xml file out of the maven dependencies. Just
> before you try to install the feature, you add the obr fragment to the OBR
> instance you are using for resolving the feature. This pretty much assures
> that something that will enable the bundles in the features to resolve will
> be available.
> >
> > Writing the code for this was easy, but we weren't relying enough on OBR
> at the time to find out how well it works in practice. I have been
> wondering if anyone else would think this is a reasonable approach to
> investigate.
> >
> > thanks
> > david jencks
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >> Guillaume Nodet
> >> ------------------------
> >> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >> ------------------------
> >> Open Source SOA
> >> http://fusesource.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
Great idea. +1 for making it smaller
Am 26.10.2010 um 15:29 schrieb Gert Vanthienen:
> L.S.,
>
> How about making the feather a bit smaller? It now seems to 'shade'
> the actual karaf logo a bit?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gert Vanthienen
> ------------------------
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>
>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>> feather for those situations.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Me too :-)
>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>> background.
>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Claus Ibsen
>>> -----------------
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>.
L.S.,
How about making the feather a bit smaller? It now seems to 'shade'
the actual karaf logo a bit?
Regards,
Gert Vanthienen
------------------------
Web: http://fusesource.com
Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>
>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>
>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>> feather for those situations.
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>> Me too :-)
>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>> background.
>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>
>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Claus Ibsen
>> -----------------
>> FuseSource
>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: davsclaus
>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
Very very nice... +1
2010/11/23 Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>:
> I think that this is the best combo I've seen so far.
> +1
>
> 2010/11/23 Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com>
>
>> The Apache Karaf web site will become the most beautiful Apache web site.
>>
>> Great job.
>>
>>
>> On 23/11/10 16:00, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> Rafal did some Blue& Navy version of desgin:
>>>
>>> http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put
>>> them
>>> to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
>>>
>>> Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
>>> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
>>> somewhere?
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>
>>>> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
>>>> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
>>>> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>>>>
>>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
>>>>>
>>>> without
>>>
>>>> loss of quality. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>>>>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>>>>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>>>>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
>>>>>
>>>> alternatives.
>>>
>>>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>>>>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars
>>>
>>>> Heinemann
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> into
>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> over
>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 16:9.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so
>>>
>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people
>>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> proportioned
>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project
>>>>>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen<claus.ibsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> feather.
>>>
>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>
>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafal's
>>>
>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Apache',
>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> *Ioannis Canellos*
> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>
> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Chris Custine <ch...@gmail.com>.
I can't remember where I got this, but here is an svg of the Apache
feather. I think it is slightly modified to fix some bad svg code,
but I believe this is the original feather design.
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/sandbox/ccustine/feather.svg
--
Chris Custine
FuseSource - Open Source Integration:: http://fusesource.com
My Blog :: http://blog.organicelement.com
2010/10/27 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>
> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
> Heinemann
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
> the
> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>
> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over
> the
> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Lars
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Lars Heinemann
> FuseSource
> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
> Web: fusesource.com
> Twitter: lhein77
>
>
>
> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>
>> Hi,
>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>
>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
> it
>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
> about
>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>> great.
>>>
>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> david jencks
>>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
> Karaf
>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it
> in
>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>> work:
>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to
>> fill
>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache',
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
>
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Thers's a big one if you look at the main apache web site, but not
sure about a vectorized one
On Wednesday, October 27, 2010, Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>
> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
> Heinemann
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
> the
> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>
> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over
> the
> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Lars
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Lars Heinemann
> FuseSource
> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
> Web: fusesource.com
> Twitter: lhein77
>
>
>
> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>
>> Hi,
>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>
>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
> it
>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
> about
>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>> great.
>>>
>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> david jencks
>>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
> Karaf
>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
I think that this is the best combo I've seen so far.
+1
2010/11/23 Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com>
> The Apache Karaf web site will become the most beautiful Apache web site.
>
> Great job.
>
>
> On 23/11/10 16:00, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Rafal did some Blue& Navy version of desgin:
>>
>> http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>>
>> Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put
>> them
>> to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
>>
>> Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
>> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
>> somewhere?
>>
>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>
>>> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
>>> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
>>> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>
>>>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
>>>>
>>> without
>>
>>> loss of quality. :)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>>>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>>>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>>>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
>>>>
>>> alternatives.
>>
>>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>>>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>
>>>>> Lars
>>
>>> Heinemann
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
>>>>>>
>>>>> into
>>>
>>>> the
>>>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it
>>>>>> start
>>>>>>
>>>>> over
>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 16:9.
>>>>
>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> so
>>
>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people
>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> be
>>>
>>>> great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> proportioned
>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>
>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project
>>>>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen<claus.ibsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> feather.
>>
>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>
>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>
>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafal's
>>
>>> work:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Apache',
>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>
>>>> done some
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
--
*Ioannis Canellos*
http://iocanel.blogspot.com
Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com>.
The Apache Karaf web site will become the most beautiful Apache web site.
Great job.
On 23/11/10 16:00, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hello,
> Rafal did some Blue& Navy version of desgin:
>
> http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>
> Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put them
> to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
>
> Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
> somewhere?
>
> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
>> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
>> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>>
>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
> without
>>> loss of quality. :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
> alternatives.
>>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>>
>>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
> Lars
>>>>> Heinemann
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
>> into
>>>>> the
>>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>>> over
>>>>> the
>>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>>> 16:9.
>>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
> so
>>>>> it
>>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>>> about
>>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
>> be
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
>> proportioned
>>> I
>>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
>> a
>>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen<cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
> feather.
>>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
>> it
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
> Rafal's
>>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>>> to
>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>>> 'Apache',
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
>> have
>>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
To be honest I don't like the feather in the current color scheme of the header.
Best regards,
Lars
--------------------------------------
Lars Heinemann
FuseSource
Email: lhein@fusesource.com
Web: http://www.fusesource.com
Blog: http://lhein.blogspot.com
Twitter: lhein77
Am 24.11.2010 um 09:52 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Onofré:
> Very good.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 11/24/2010 09:47 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Version with gradient in header and footer:
>>
>> http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8774/karaf5.jpg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johan Edstrom [mailto:seijoed@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:45 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> I think that looks really nice, possible a shade or two lighter blue?
>>
>> /je
>>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Freeman Fang wrote:
>>
>>> very good one!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Freeman
>>>
>>> On 2010-11-23, at 下午11:00, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Rafal did some Blue& Navy version of desgin:
>>>>
>>>> http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put them
>>>> to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
>>>> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
>>>> somewhere?
>>>>
>>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
>>>>> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
>>>>> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
>>>> without
>>>>>> loss of quality. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>>>>>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>>>>>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>>>>>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
>>>> alternatives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>>>>>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>>>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>> Heinemann
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>>>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>>>>>> 16:9.
>>>>>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
>>>> so
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
>>>>> proportioned
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen<cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
>>>> feather.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
>>>> Rafal's
>>>>>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>>>>>> 'Apache',
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Freeman Fang
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>>
>>> FuseSource: http://fusesource.com
>>> blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
>>> Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
>>> Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
>>> Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
>>> Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Very good.
Regards
JB
On 11/24/2010 09:47 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hi,
> Version with gradient in header and footer:
>
> http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8774/karaf5.jpg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Edstrom [mailto:seijoed@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:45 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> I think that looks really nice, possible a shade or two lighter blue?
>
> /je
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Freeman Fang wrote:
>
>> very good one!
>>
>> Thanks
>> Freeman
>>
>> On 2010-11-23, at 下午11:00, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> Rafal did some Blue& Navy version of desgin:
>>>
>>> http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put them
>>> to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
>>>
>>> Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
>>> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
>>> somewhere?
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
>>>> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
>>>> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>>>>
>>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
>>> without
>>>>> loss of quality. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>>>>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>>>>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>>>>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
>>> alternatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>>>>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Lars
>>>>>>> Heinemann
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
>>>> into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>>>>> over
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>>>>> 16:9.
>>>>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
>>> so
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
>>>> be
>>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
>>>> proportioned
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen<cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
>>> feather.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
>>>> it
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
>>> Rafal's
>>>>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>>>>> 'Apache',
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Freeman Fang
>>
>> ------------------------
>>
>> FuseSource: http://fusesource.com
>> blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
>> Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
>> Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
>> Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
>> Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
>>
>
>
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi,
Version with gradient in header and footer:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8774/karaf5.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Edstrom [mailto:seijoed@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:45 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
I think that looks really nice, possible a shade or two lighter blue?
/je
On Nov 23, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Freeman Fang wrote:
> very good one!
>
> Thanks
> Freeman
>
> On 2010-11-23, at 下午11:00, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Rafal did some Blue & Navy version of desgin:
>>
>> http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>>
>> Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put them
>> to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
>>
>> Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
>> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
>> somewhere?
>>
>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
>>> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
>>> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
>> without
>>>> loss of quality. :)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>>>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>>>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>>>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
>> alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>>>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lars
>>>>>> Heinemann
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
>>> into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>>>> over
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>>>> 16:9.
>>>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
>> so
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
>>> be
>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
>>> proportioned
>>>> I
>>>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
>> feather.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
>>> it
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
>> Rafal's
>>>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>>>> to
>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>>>> 'Apache',
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
>>> have
>>>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Freeman Fang
>
> ------------------------
>
> FuseSource: http://fusesource.com
> blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
> Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
> Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
> Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
> Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Johan Edstrom <se...@gmail.com>.
I think that looks really nice, possible a shade or two lighter blue?
/je
On Nov 23, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Freeman Fang wrote:
> very good one!
>
> Thanks
> Freeman
>
> On 2010-11-23, at 下午11:00, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Rafal did some Blue & Navy version of desgin:
>>
>> http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>>
>> Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put them
>> to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
>>
>> Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
>> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
>> somewhere?
>>
>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
>>> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
>>> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>>>
>>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
>> without
>>>> loss of quality. :)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>>>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>>>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>>>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
>> alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>>>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lars
>>>>>> Heinemann
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
>>> into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>>>> over
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>>>> 16:9.
>>>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
>> so
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
>>> be
>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
>>> proportioned
>>>> I
>>>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
>> feather.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
>>> it
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
>> Rafal's
>>>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>>>> to
>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>>>> 'Apache',
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
>>> have
>>>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Freeman Fang
>
> ------------------------
>
> FuseSource: http://fusesource.com
> blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
> Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
> Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
> Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
> Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Freeman Fang <fr...@gmail.com>.
very good one!
Thanks
Freeman
On 2010-11-23, at 下午11:00, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hello,
> Rafal did some Blue & Navy version of desgin:
>
> http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>
> Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll
> put them
> to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
>
> Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics
> available
> somewhere?
>
> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
>> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
>> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>>
>> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
> without
>>> loss of quality. :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
> alternatives.
>>>
>>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I
>>> think
>>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>>
>>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
> Lars
>>>>> Heinemann
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2
>>>>> and #11.
>>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the
>>>>> feather
>> into
>>>>> the
>>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let
>>>>> it start
>>> over
>>>>> the
>>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television
>>>>>>> stretched to
>>> 16:9.
>>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather
>>>>>> shrunk
> so
>>>>> it
>>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what
>>>>>> people mean
>>>>> about
>>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it
>>>>>> would
>> be
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
>> proportioned
>>> I
>>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gnodet@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and
>>>>>>>>> then have
>> a
>>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if
>>>>>>>>> i'm the
>>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can
>>>>>>>>>> create the
>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project
>>>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <claus.ibsen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
> feather.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache.
>>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can
>>>>>>>>>>>> decline
>> it
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
> Rafal's
>>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>> to
>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>>> 'Apache',
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intern
>> have
>>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
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RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hello,
Rafal did some Blue & Navy version of desgin:
http://img18.imageshack.us/f/karaf3.jpg/
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:41 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo proposal
Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put them
to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
somewhere?
2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>
> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
without
>> loss of quality. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
alternatives.
>>
>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>
>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
Lars
>>>> Heinemann
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
> into
>>>> the
>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>
>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>> over
>>>> the
>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>> 16:9.
>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
so
>>>> it
>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>> about
>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
> be
>>>>> great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
> proportioned
>> I
>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
> a
>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>> Karaf
>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
feather.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>> without
>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
> it
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
Rafal's
>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>> to
>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>> 'Apache',
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
> have
>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Sorry, I totally forgot about vector graphic. Today afternoon I'll put them
to public repo. I am not sure do we will be able to create SVG.
Anyway here is design proposal based on SMX webpage structure:
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6328/karaf3.jpg
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:28 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
somewhere?
2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>
> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo
without
>> loss of quality. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some
alternatives.
>>
>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>
>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
Lars
>>>> Heinemann
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
> into
>>>> the
>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>
>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>> over
>>>> the
>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>> 16:9.
>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk
so
>>>> it
>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>> about
>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
> be
>>>>> great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
> proportioned
>> I
>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
> a
>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>> Karaf
>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache
feather.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>> without
>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
> it
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on
Rafal's
>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>> to
>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>> 'Apache',
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
> have
>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Łukasz, do you think we could have the vector based graphics available
somewhere?
2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>
> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo without
>> loss of quality. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some alternatives.
>>
>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>
>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>>>> Heinemann
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
> into
>>>> the
>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>
>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>> over
>>>> the
>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>> 16:9.
>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>>>> it
>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>> about
>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
> be
>>>>> great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
> proportioned
>> I
>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
> a
>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>> Karaf
>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>> without
>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
> it
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>> to
>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>> 'Apache',
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
> have
>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Same in France actually ...
2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
> downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
> from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
>
> 2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo without
>> loss of quality. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
>> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
>> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
>> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some alternatives.
>>
>> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
>> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>>
>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>>>> Heinemann
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
> into
>>>> the
>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>
>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
>> over
>>>> the
>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
>> 16:9.
>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>>>> it
>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>> about
>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
> be
>>>>> great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
> proportioned
>> I
>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
> a
>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>> Karaf
>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
>> without
>>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
> it
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
>> to
>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
>> 'Apache',
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
> have
>>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Sure. Tomorrow Rafal will push it to some public directory to allow
downloading it. Today we have national holiday. :)
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:25 PM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo without
> loss of quality. :)
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some alternatives.
>
> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>
> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>
>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>
>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>>> Heinemann
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather
into
>>> the
>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>
>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
> over
>>> the
>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
> 16:9.
>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>>> it
>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>> about
>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would
be
>>>> great.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better
proportioned
> I
>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have
a
>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>> Karaf
>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
> without
>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline
it
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
> to
>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
> 'Apache',
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern
have
>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Excellent, do you think you could come up with one similar to the v1
from Lars in vector form with the feather provided by Chris in SVG ?
2010/11/1 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo without
> loss of quality. :)
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some alternatives.
>
> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>
> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>
>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>
>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>>> Heinemann
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
>>> the
>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>
>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
> over
>>> the
>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
> 16:9.
>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>>> it
>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>> about
>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>>>> great.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned
> I
>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>> Karaf
>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
> without
>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
> to
>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
> 'Apache',
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
All logos we do are in vector form - it will allow scaling up logo without
loss of quality. :)
Regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 10:38 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org; Łukasz Dywicki
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some alternatives.
Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
having a full vector based logo would be better.
2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Lars
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Lars Heinemann
> FuseSource
> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
> Web: fusesource.com
> Twitter: lhein77
>
>
>
> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>
>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>
>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>> Heinemann
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
>> the
>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>
>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start
over
>> the
>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to
16:9.
>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>> it
>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>> about
>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>>> great.
>>>>
>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned
I
>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> david jencks
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>> Karaf
>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the
without
>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it
>> in
>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying
to
>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding
'Apache',
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
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Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
+1
Regards
JB
On 11/01/2010 10:38 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
> I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
> bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
> If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some alternatives.
>
> Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
> having a full vector based logo would be better.
>
> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>
>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>
>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>>> Heinemann
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
>>> the
>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>
>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over
>>> the
>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>>> it
>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>> about
>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>>>> great.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>> Karaf
>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen<cl...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann<lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to
>>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache',
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I'd like to come to a decision at some point.
I like v1 a lot, maybe moving the feather a little bit up to make a
bit more space between the 'r' and the feather.
If people have other ideas, please go ahead and propose some alternatives.
Łukasz, do you have a vectorized version of the karaf bottle ? I think
having a full vector based logo would be better.
2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Lars
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Lars Heinemann
> FuseSource
> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
> Web: fusesource.com
> Twitter: lhein77
>
>
>
> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>
>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>
>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>> Heinemann
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
>> the
>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>
>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over
>> the
>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>> it
>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>> about
>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>>> great.
>>>>
>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> david jencks
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>> Karaf
>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it
>> in
>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to
>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache',
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
Yeah, the continuation between K and the feather is great but due to
the proportions of the feather logo it's almost impossible to get a nice
looking picture because the height of the feather is equal or more than the height
of the Karaf text.
Lars
Am 27.10.2010 um 13:23 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
> Me too, the one proposed by Lukasz looks a bit too heavyweight, but i
> like the continuation betweek the K bar and the feather though.
>
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2010, James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lars, really liking v1
>>
>> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>>>> Heinemann
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
>>>> the
>>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>>
>>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over
>>>> the
>>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
>>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>>>> it
>>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>>> about
>>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>>>>> great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
>>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>>> Karaf
>>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:--
>> James
>> -------
>> FuseSource
>> Email: james@fusesource.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: jstrachan
>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Open Source Integration
>>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Me too, the one proposed by Lukasz looks a bit too heavyweight, but i
like the continuation betweek the K bar and the feather though.
On Wednesday, October 27, 2010, James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lars, really liking v1
>
> 2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>
>>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>>
>>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>>> Heinemann
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
>>> the
>>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>>
>>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over
>>> the
>>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
>>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>>> it
>>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>>> about
>>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>>>> great.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
>>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>>> Karaf
>>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:--
> James
> -------
> FuseSource
> Email: james@fusesource.com
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Twitter: jstrachan
> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>
> Open Source Integration
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
Lars, really liking v1
2010/10/27 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
> Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Lars
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Lars Heinemann
> FuseSource
> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
> Web: fusesource.com
> Twitter: lhein77
>
>
>
> Am 27.10.2010 um 12:07 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>
>> Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
>> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
>>
>> Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
>> Heinemann
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
>> And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
>> the
>> top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
>>
>> Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over
>> the
>> diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
>>> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>>>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
>>> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
>> it
>>> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
>> about
>>> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
>>> great.
>>>>
>>>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
>>> think I would prefer 44.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> david jencks
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
>> Karaf
>>> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it
>> in
>>>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
>>> work:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to
>>> fill
>>>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache',
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>> done some
>>>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
James
-------
FuseSource
Email: james@fusesource.com
Web: http://fusesource.com
Twitter: jstrachan
Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
Here 2 variations I did from your proposal.
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Ok., we have a snapshot on black background:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1469/karaf4.jpg
Anyway does anyone have access to feather in vector form?
Regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Heinemann [mailto:lhein.smx@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Lars
Heinemann
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:27 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into
the
top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over
the
diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
Best regards,
Lars
--------------------------------------
Lars Heinemann
FuseSource
Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
Web: fusesource.com
Twitter: lhein77
Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
> Hi,
> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>
> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so
it
> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean
about
> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
> great.
>>
>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
> think I would prefer 44.
>>
>> thanks
>> david jencks
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>
>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the
Karaf
> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it
in
>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
> work:
>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to
> fill
>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache',
> the
>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
> done some
>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
The feather is much too big in comparison with the text in #2 and #11.
And I wouldn't stick the feather somewhere. And sticking the feather into the
top of the Karaf/bottle makes it look like an inkwell.
Try to shrink the feather and as suggested by David Jencks let it start over the
diagonal line of the K of Karaf.
Best regards,
Lars
--------------------------------------
Lars Heinemann
FuseSource
Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
Web: fusesource.com
Twitter: lhein77
Am 27.10.2010 um 11:19 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
> Hi,
> Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
> black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
>
> 2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
>> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
> I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so it
> starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean about
> white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
> great.
>>
>> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
> think I would prefer 44.
>>
>> thanks
>> david jencks
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>
>>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>>> only one liking it).
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf
> logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
> work:
>>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to
> fill
>>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache',
> the
>>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
> done some
>>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi,
Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logoff
Regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:30 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9.
I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so it
starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean about
white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be
great.
>
> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I
think I would prefer 44.
>
> thanks
> david jencks
>
> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>
>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>> only one liking it).
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf
logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>> background.
>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's
work:
>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to
fill
>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache',
the
>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
done some
>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I think the feather would stay in color, but the text + picture in
black allows a variation in white (if put on a dark background).
2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9. I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so it starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean about white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be great.
>
> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I think I would prefer 44.
>
> thanks
> david jencks
>
> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>
>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>> only one liking it).
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>> background.
>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I'd like to come up with a few alternatives as various people
suggested, but I may not have time before next week.
2010/10/26 David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>:
> re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9. I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so it starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean about white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be great.
>
> With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I think I would prefer 44.
>
> thanks
> david jencks
>
> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>
>> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>>> only one liking it).
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>>
>>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>>> background.
>>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>.
re 44: The text looks squished or like 4:3 television stretched to 16:9. I think the text needs to be about 30% taller and the feather shrunk so it starts over the diagonal line of the K. I'm not sure what people mean about white on black -- would the feather remain in color? Seeing it would be great.
With the current choices I favor 45. If 44 can be better proportioned I think I would prefer 44.
thanks
david jencks
On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
>> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
>> only one liking it).
>>
>> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>>
>>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>>
>>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>>> feather for those situations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> Me too :-)
>>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>>> background.
>>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>> -----------------
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Freeman Fang <fr...@gmail.com>.
+1 for the one with Apache feather logo, No. 44
Thanks
Freeman
On 2010-10-26, at 下午8:41, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
Freeman Fang
------------------------
FuseSource: http://fusesource.com
blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I've created a wiki page https://cwiki.apache.org/KARAF/logo.html
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:33, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
> vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
> only one liking it).
>
> 2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
>> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>>
>> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
>> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>>
>>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>>> feather for those situations.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Me too :-)
>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>> background.
>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Claus Ibsen
>>> -----------------
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I think we need to reduce the number of options a bit and then have a
vote / poll (I certainly don't want to push the feather if i'm the
only one liking it).
2010/10/26 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
> logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>>
>> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
>> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>>
>> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
>> feather for those situations.
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>> Me too :-)
>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>> background.
>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>
>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Claus Ibsen
>> -----------------
>> FuseSource
>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: davsclaus
>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
What is decision - do we use logo with feather? We can create the Karaf logo in two variants: black on white and white on black.
Regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Nodet [mailto:gnodet@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:11 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>
> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>
> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
> feather for those situations.
>
>
> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>> Me too :-)
>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>> background.
>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>
>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>
>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>
>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Claus Ibsen
> -----------------
> FuseSource
> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Twitter: davsclaus
> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
There's no difference between the feather and any project specific
logo, so I don't think it's a problem.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:57, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
>
> For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
> Or to include in some documentation etc.
>
> Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
> feather for those situations.
>
>
> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>> Me too :-)
>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>> background.
>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>
>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>
>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>
>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Claus Ibsen
> -----------------
> FuseSource
> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Twitter: davsclaus
> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>.
I wonder if there is any copyright issues with the apache feather.
For example if you want to use the logo on a site outside Apache.
Or to include in some documentation etc.
Maybe we should provide 2 set of logos, so people can use the without
feather for those situations.
2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
> Me too :-)
> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
> background.
> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>
> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>
>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>
>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>> drafts:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
--
Claus Ibsen
-----------------
FuseSource
Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
Web: http://fusesource.com
Twitter: davsclaus
Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
On 26 October 2010 14:28, Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> This coloring scheme somehow looks like the Duke coloring then ;)
Yeah, thought that was quite cute :)
>
>
>
> Am 26.10.2010 um 15:26 schrieb James Strachan:
>
>> I'd quite like to see #22 with black text and the feather :)
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/26 James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>:
>>> +1; though I'd like a little bit more space between the karaf picture
>>> and the text "karaf".
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Me too :-)
>>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>>> background.
>>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> James
>>> -------
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: james@fusesource.com
>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: jstrachan
>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Open Source Integration
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> James
>> -------
>> FuseSource
>> Email: james@fusesource.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: jstrachan
>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Open Source Integration
>
>
--
James
-------
FuseSource
Email: james@fusesource.com
Web: http://fusesource.com
Twitter: jstrachan
Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
This coloring scheme somehow looks like the Duke coloring then ;)
Am 26.10.2010 um 15:26 schrieb James Strachan:
> I'd quite like to see #22 with black text and the feather :)
>
>
> 2010/10/26 James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>:
>> +1; though I'd like a little bit more space between the karaf picture
>> and the text "karaf".
>>
>> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>> Me too :-)
>>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>>> background.
>>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>>
>>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lars
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Lars Heinemann
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>
>>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> James
>> -------
>> FuseSource
>> Email: james@fusesource.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: jstrachan
>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Open Source Integration
>>
>
>
>
> --
> James
> -------
> FuseSource
> Email: james@fusesource.com
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Twitter: jstrachan
> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>
> Open Source Integration
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
I'd quite like to see #22 with black text and the feather :)
2010/10/26 James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>:
> +1; though I'd like a little bit more space between the karaf picture
> and the text "karaf".
>
> 2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>> Me too :-)
>> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
>> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
>> background.
>> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>>
>> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Lars Heinemann
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: lhein77
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>
>>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>>
>>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> James
> -------
> FuseSource
> Email: james@fusesource.com
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Twitter: jstrachan
> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>
> Open Source Integration
>
--
James
-------
FuseSource
Email: james@fusesource.com
Web: http://fusesource.com
Twitter: jstrachan
Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1; though I'd like a little bit more space between the karaf picture
and the text "karaf".
2010/10/26 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
> Me too :-)
> I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
> white / transparent background depending on the color of the
> background.
> We could have two versions, one black and one white...
>
> 2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
>> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lars
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Lars Heinemann
>> FuseSource
>> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: lhein77
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>
>>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>>
>>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>>> drafts:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
--
James
-------
FuseSource
Email: james@fusesource.com
Web: http://fusesource.com
Twitter: jstrachan
Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Me too :-)
I think having a mostly black logo is easier as you can decline it in
white / transparent background depending on the color of the
background.
We could have two versions, one black and one white...
2010/10/26 Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>:
> I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Lars
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Lars Heinemann
> FuseSource
> Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
> Web: fusesource.com
> Twitter: lhein77
>
>
>
> Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>
>> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
>> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>>
>> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
>> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
>> feather, or having a bigger font.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>>> drafts:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
I like the one with the ASF feather logo.
Best regards,
Lars
--------------------------------------
Lars Heinemann
FuseSource
Email: lars.heinemann@fusesource.com
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Am 26.10.2010 um 01:07 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
> What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
>
> I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
> up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
> feather, or having a bigger font.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
>> drafts:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>
>>
>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
What about the following ones i've just hacked based on Rafal's work:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3627/karaflogoproposal.png
I think the fumes makes the logo too high, and also i'm trying to fill
up the blank on top of the 'karaf' word by either adding 'Apache', the
feather, or having a bigger font.
Thoughts ?
2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>
> Hello,
>
> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
> drafts:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>
>
> What do you think about these proposals?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by "Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1 for 16 :)
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Achim Nierbeck <Ac...@ptv.de>wrote:
> +1 for 22 :)
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Oktober 2010 17:27
> An: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Betreff: RE: Logo proposal
>
> Hi,
> Link to logo variants after all ideas (with colors!):
> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal2
>
> Please take a look and sey what do you think. If you think that it can be
> final please vote.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:42 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>
> Hi all,
> Rafal (our graphic designer) will work on logo improvements in next week.
> He going to show another three logos based on your proposals.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Freeman Fang [mailto:freeman.fang@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:56 PM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> I prefer to "Karaf" text is on the right,
> colume 1, row 3,4, or 5 are ok for me.
>
> Freeman
> On 2010-10-21, at 下午6:42, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
>
> > I think the best logo is the big one on the right with the fumes
> > coming out the top - nicely reminicent of the old Java logo.
> >
> > Whatever logo we use, I think they look best when the karaf image is
> > on the left or right of the text, not on the top.
> >
> > So, ideally, I'd go for bottom right, adding the fumes above the
> > Karaf image.
> >
> >
> > On 21/10/2010 11:38, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> >> I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
> >>
> >> On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
> >>> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice
> >>> touch. To keep
> >>> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM"
> >>> somewhere in the
> >>> graphic.
> >>>
> >>> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>> Nice work !
> >>>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a
> >>>> way to
> >>>> add
> >>>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi splatch!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the
> >>>>> karaf literal
> >>>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
> >>>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one
> >>>>> reminds
> >>>> me
> >>>>> of the java logo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Keep up!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
> >>>>>> done
> >>>> some
> >>>>>> drafts:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Lukasz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
> >>>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
> >>>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Guillaume Nodet
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> Open Source SOA
> >>>> http://fusesource.com
> >>>>
>
>
> --
> Freeman Fang
>
> ------------------------
> blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
> Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
> Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
> Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
> Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
> Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
>
>
>
>
AW: Logo proposal
Posted by Achim Nierbeck <Ac...@ptv.de>.
+1 for 22 :)
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Oktober 2010 17:27
An: dev@karaf.apache.org
Betreff: RE: Logo proposal
Hi,
Link to logo variants after all ideas (with colors!):
http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal2
Please take a look and sey what do you think. If you think that it can be final please vote.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:42 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo proposal
Hi all,
Rafal (our graphic designer) will work on logo improvements in next week. He going to show another three logos based on your proposals.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Freeman Fang [mailto:freeman.fang@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:56 PM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
I prefer to "Karaf" text is on the right,
colume 1, row 3,4, or 5 are ok for me.
Freeman
On 2010-10-21, at 下午6:42, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
> I think the best logo is the big one on the right with the fumes
> coming out the top - nicely reminicent of the old Java logo.
>
> Whatever logo we use, I think they look best when the karaf image is
> on the left or right of the text, not on the top.
>
> So, ideally, I'd go for bottom right, adding the fumes above the
> Karaf image.
>
>
> On 21/10/2010 11:38, Charles Moulliard wrote:
>> I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
>>
>> On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
>>> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice
>>> touch. To keep
>>> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM"
>>> somewhere in the
>>> graphic.
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Nice work !
>>>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a
>>>> way to
>>>> add
>>>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi splatch!
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the
>>>>> karaf literal
>>>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
>>>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one
>>>>> reminds
>>>> me
>>>>> of the java logo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>>>>> done
>>>> some
>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>>>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
--
Freeman Fang
------------------------
blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
+1 for the number 15.
On 10/25/2010 05:26 PM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hi,
> Link to logo variants after all ideas (with colors!):
> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal2
>
> Please take a look and sey what do you think. If you think that it can be final please vote.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:42 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>
> Hi all,
> Rafal (our graphic designer) will work on logo improvements in next week. He going to show another three logos based on your proposals.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Freeman Fang [mailto:freeman.fang@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:56 PM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> I prefer to "Karaf" text is on the right,
> colume 1, row 3,4, or 5 are ok for me.
>
> Freeman
> On 2010-10-21, at 下午6:42, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
>
>> I think the best logo is the big one on the right with the fumes
>> coming out the top - nicely reminicent of the old Java logo.
>>
>> Whatever logo we use, I think they look best when the karaf image is
>> on the left or right of the text, not on the top.
>>
>> So, ideally, I'd go for bottom right, adding the fumes above the
>> Karaf image.
>>
>>
>> On 21/10/2010 11:38, Charles Moulliard wrote:
>>> I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
>>>
>>> On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
>>>> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice
>>>> touch. To keep
>>>> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM"
>>>> somewhere in the
>>>> graphic.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Nice work !
>>>>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a
>>>>> way to
>>>>> add
>>>>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi splatch!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the
>>>>>> karaf literal
>>>>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
>>>>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one
>>>>>> reminds
>>>>> me
>>>>>> of the java logo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>>>>>> done
>>>>> some
>>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>>>>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>>>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
Awesome work Splatch & Rafal!
I prefer the numbers from 10 - 17. I would like to see them without the
"steams/flames".
Keep up the effort!
2010/10/25 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> Hi,
> Link to logo variants after all ideas (with colors!):
> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal2
>
> Please take a look and sey what do you think. If you think that it can be
> final please vote.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:42 AM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Logo proposal
>
> Hi all,
> Rafal (our graphic designer) will work on logo improvements in next week.
> He going to show another three logos based on your proposals.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Freeman Fang [mailto:freeman.fang@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:56 PM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo proposal
>
> I prefer to "Karaf" text is on the right,
> colume 1, row 3,4, or 5 are ok for me.
>
> Freeman
> On 2010-10-21, at 下午6:42, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
>
> > I think the best logo is the big one on the right with the fumes
> > coming out the top - nicely reminicent of the old Java logo.
> >
> > Whatever logo we use, I think they look best when the karaf image is
> > on the left or right of the text, not on the top.
> >
> > So, ideally, I'd go for bottom right, adding the fumes above the
> > Karaf image.
> >
> >
> > On 21/10/2010 11:38, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> >> I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
> >>
> >> On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
> >>> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice
> >>> touch. To keep
> >>> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM"
> >>> somewhere in the
> >>> graphic.
> >>>
> >>> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>> Nice work !
> >>>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a
> >>>> way to
> >>>> add
> >>>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi splatch!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the
> >>>>> karaf literal
> >>>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
> >>>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one
> >>>>> reminds
> >>>> me
> >>>>> of the java logo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Keep up!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
> >>>>>> done
> >>>> some
> >>>>>> drafts:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Lukasz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
> >>>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
> >>>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Guillaume Nodet
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> Open Source SOA
> >>>> http://fusesource.com
> >>>>
>
>
> --
> Freeman Fang
>
> ------------------------
> blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
> Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
> Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
> Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
> Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
> Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
>
>
>
>
--
*Ioannis Canellos*
http://iocanel.blogspot.com
Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi,
Link to logo variants after all ideas (with colors!):
http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal2
Please take a look and sey what do you think. If you think that it can be final please vote.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:42 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo proposal
Hi all,
Rafal (our graphic designer) will work on logo improvements in next week. He going to show another three logos based on your proposals.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Freeman Fang [mailto:freeman.fang@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:56 PM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
I prefer to "Karaf" text is on the right,
colume 1, row 3,4, or 5 are ok for me.
Freeman
On 2010-10-21, at 下午6:42, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
> I think the best logo is the big one on the right with the fumes
> coming out the top - nicely reminicent of the old Java logo.
>
> Whatever logo we use, I think they look best when the karaf image is
> on the left or right of the text, not on the top.
>
> So, ideally, I'd go for bottom right, adding the fumes above the
> Karaf image.
>
>
> On 21/10/2010 11:38, Charles Moulliard wrote:
>> I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
>>
>> On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
>>> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice
>>> touch. To keep
>>> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM"
>>> somewhere in the
>>> graphic.
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Nice work !
>>>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a
>>>> way to
>>>> add
>>>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi splatch!
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the
>>>>> karaf literal
>>>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
>>>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one
>>>>> reminds
>>>> me
>>>>> of the java logo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>>>>> done
>>>> some
>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>>>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
--
Freeman Fang
------------------------
blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
Apache Servicemix:http://servicemix.apache.org
Apache Cxf: http://cxf.apache.org
Apache Karaf: http://karaf.apache.org
Apache Felix: http://felix.apache.org
RE: Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi all,
Rafal (our graphic designer) will work on logo improvements in next week. He going to show another three logos based on your proposals.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Freeman Fang [mailto:freeman.fang@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:56 PM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo proposal
I prefer to "Karaf" text is on the right,
colume 1, row 3,4, or 5 are ok for me.
Freeman
On 2010-10-21, at 下午6:42, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
> I think the best logo is the big one on the right with the fumes
> coming out the top - nicely reminicent of the old Java logo.
>
> Whatever logo we use, I think they look best when the karaf image is
> on the left or right of the text, not on the top.
>
> So, ideally, I'd go for bottom right, adding the fumes above the
> Karaf image.
>
>
> On 21/10/2010 11:38, Charles Moulliard wrote:
>> I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
>>
>> On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
>>> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice
>>> touch. To keep
>>> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM"
>>> somewhere in the
>>> graphic.
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Nice work !
>>>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a
>>>> way to
>>>> add
>>>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi splatch!
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the
>>>>> karaf literal
>>>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
>>>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one
>>>>> reminds
>>>> me
>>>>> of the java logo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>>>>> done
>>>> some
>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>>>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
--
Freeman Fang
------------------------
blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/freemanfang
Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
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Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Freeman Fang <fr...@gmail.com>.
I prefer to "Karaf" text is on the right,
colume 1, row 3,4, or 5 are ok for me.
Freeman
On 2010-10-21, at 下午6:42, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
> I think the best logo is the big one on the right with the fumes
> coming out the top - nicely reminicent of the old Java logo.
>
> Whatever logo we use, I think they look best when the karaf image is
> on the left or right of the text, not on the top.
>
> So, ideally, I'd go for bottom right, adding the fumes above the
> Karaf image.
>
>
> On 21/10/2010 11:38, Charles Moulliard wrote:
>> I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
>>
>> On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
>>> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice
>>> touch. To keep
>>> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM"
>>> somewhere in the
>>> graphic.
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Nice work !
>>>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a
>>>> way to
>>>> add
>>>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi splatch!
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the
>>>>> karaf literal
>>>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
>>>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one
>>>>> reminds
>>>> me
>>>>> of the java logo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have
>>>>>> done
>>>> some
>>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>>>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
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Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Adrian Trenaman <tr...@progress.com>.
I think the best logo is the big one on the right with the fumes coming
out the top - nicely reminicent of the old Java logo.
Whatever logo we use, I think they look best when the karaf image is on
the left or right of the text, not on the top.
So, ideally, I'd go for bottom right, adding the fumes above the Karaf
image.
On 21/10/2010 11:38, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
>
> On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
>> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice touch. To keep
>> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM" somewhere in the
>> graphic.
>>
>> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Nice work !
>>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a way to
>>> add
>>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi splatch!
>>>>
>>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the karaf literal
>>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
>>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one reminds
>>> me
>>>> of the java logo.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up!
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done
>>> some
>>>>> drafts:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com>.
I prefer 2nd row / 1st column
On 21/10/10 12:31, Jamie G. wrote:
> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice touch. To keep
> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM" somewhere in the
> graphic.
>
> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>
>> Nice work !
>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a way to
>> add
>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>>
>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hi splatch!
>>>
>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the karaf literal
>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one reminds
>> me
>>> of the java logo.
>>>
>>> Keep up!
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done
>> some
>>>> drafts:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Adrian Trenaman <tr...@progress.com>.
+1001001
These look really great. Can we make t-shirts? :)
On 21/10/2010 11:31, Jamie G. wrote:
> +1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice touch. To keep
> with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM" somewhere in the
> graphic.
>
> 2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>
>> Nice work !
>> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a way to
>> add
>> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>>
>> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hi splatch!
>>>
>>> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the karaf literal
>>> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
>>> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one reminds
>> me
>>> of the java logo.
>>>
>>> Keep up!
>>>
>>> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done
>> some
>>>> drafts:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think about these proposals?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by "Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1 to 4th row / 1st column. An Apache feather would be a nice touch. To keep
with ASF branding rules we'll need to include a little "TM" somewhere in the
graphic.
2010/10/21 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> Nice work !
> I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a way to
> add
> a feather above the ''karaf' word.
>
> 2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi splatch!
> >
> > I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the karaf literal
> > (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
> > I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one reminds
> me
> > of the java logo.
> >
> > Keep up!
> >
> > 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done
> some
> > > drafts:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you think about these proposals?
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Lukasz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Ioannis Canellos*
> > http://iocanel.blogspot.com
> > Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Nice work !
I also like the 4th row / 1st column one. I wonder if there's a way to add
a feather above the ''karaf' word.
2010/10/21 Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>
> Hi splatch!
>
> I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the karaf literal
> (1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
> I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one reminds me
> of the java logo.
>
> Keep up!
>
> 2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
> > drafts:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
> >
> >
> > What do you think about these proposals?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Lukasz
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> *Ioannis Canellos*
> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Logo proposal
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
Hi splatch!
I like the version of the logo where the icon is before the karaf literal
(1st column). However I am not sure about font. 4th row maybe!
I also prefer the not "steaming" version, since the steaming one reminds me
of the java logo.
Keep up!
2010/10/21 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> Hello,
>
> Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
> drafts:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
>
>
> What do you think about these proposals?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
>
--
*Ioannis Canellos*
http://iocanel.blogspot.com
Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
Logo proposal
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hello,
Currently Karaf Web page does not have Any logo. My intern have done some
drafts:
http://tinyurl.com/karaf-logo-proposal
What do you think about these proposals?
Best regards,
Lukasz
Re: Features and OBR
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Ahh interesting, I'm gonna make a try.
On 10/20/2010 12:17 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> I was mostly thinking about versioning at the feature dependency level.
> The mvn url already supports range, so i don't think we need to do anything
> here.
> Afaik, you can already write:
>
> mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/[1.3_3,2)
>
> I'll post a bit more later today or tomorrow.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:32, Ioannis Canellos<io...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It sounds good.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré<jb@nanthrax.net
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guillaume
>>>
>>> +1 to support dependency on features range.
>>> Anyway, the dependency resolution is already performed by the bundle (if
>> it
>>> uses Import-Package statement with a version range, for instance, in your
>>> exemple org.apache.commons.lang;version="[2.4,2.5)").
>>>
>>> I guess that we need to "construct" the URL compatible with PAX URL
>> before
>>> delegating to PAX. The bundle will be added in the OBR repositories
>> (locally
>>> to Karaf) with a "dependency" flag.
>>>
>>> The question is how to upgrade the descriptor repository to work like
>> this.
>>>
>>> I propose:
>>> 1/ the bundle version could be optional as:
>>>
>>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang</bundle>
>>> In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get an existing
>>> commons-lang bundle. It fails if the bundle is not present in the OBR
>>> 2/ define a bundle version range as
>>>
>>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/[2.4,2.5)</bundle>
>>> In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get the first bundle
>>> matching the version range.
>>> 3/ define the bundle version is still supported (to be backward
>>> compatible).
>>>
>>> What do you think ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2010 01:02 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I have a solution to partially solve the problem. Of the main
>>>> interest in OBR imho is that it knows what is installed in the framework
>>>> already, so it can be used to avoid duplicating libraries in different
>>>> versions that are not needed (if you need spring-core 3.0.3 but
>>>> spring-core
>>>> 3.0.4 is installed, there's no need to install both usually).
>>>> The problem is that the use of OBR usually require OBR repositories. I
>>>> think I can get rid of that by creating a dummy OBR repository from the
>>>> features descriptors and flagging some bundles in the features
>> descriptor
>>>> as
>>>> optional (or dependencies).
>>>>
>>>> For example, in the current descriptor repoitory we have:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <feature name="jasypt-encryption" version="2.1.99-SNAPSHOT">
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/1.3_3</bundle>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/2.4_4</bundle>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.jasypt/1.6_1</bundle>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
>>>> </feature>
>>>>
>>>> But really, the key bundle here is
>>>> the
>> mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT
>>>> one, whereas the three others are just dependency whith versions that
>>>> could
>>>> be changed (provided they are still in the required range). This would
>>>> mean
>>>> that if commons-lang-2.5 has already been installed through another
>>>> feature,
>>>> there's no need to install another version of it.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, I think supporting dependency on feature ranges would be
>>>> really
>>>> important as it would help greatly when depending on spring 2.x or 3.x
>> for
>>>> example.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:29, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That could be a good way. I haven't experimented that really, but I
>>>>> think it would at least give the freedom to the resolver to reuse
>>>>> locally installed bundles, so that's obviously a really good start.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for OBR itself, I've added to the maven bundle plugin a goal that
>>>>> can be used to build an obr repository out of a maven repository in a
>>>>> directory. This goal can also generated maven urls instead of the
>>>>> file:// urls that it would give. Thus giving an additional
>>>>> indirection in the url instead of pointing directly to the http
>>>>> location.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think from a production pov, what would be needed is some kind of
>>>>> maven repository (nexus or archiva) coupled with an OBR repository.
>>>>> This way, the deployer would be responsibe for adding authorized
>>>>> artifacts in the repository and that would automatically update an obr
>>>>> repository descriptor with the added artifacts.
>>>>> The problem is that this way of seeing the problem does not work well
>>>>> in a non controlled environment such as most users do when they allow
>>>>> access to maven central ... So in that case, your approach of using
>>>>> the maven dependencies could be a good solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 18:34, David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just added support for pluggable resolvers for features.
>>>>>>> I've also created an OBR based resolver that is installed with the
>> obr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> feature.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now you can do the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <feature name="xx" version="yy" resolver="obr">
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> <bundle>bundle:(&(symbolicname=org.apache.camel.camel-blueprint)(version>=2.4.0)(version<2.4.1))</bundle>
>>>>>
>>>>>> </feature>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If OBR has been configured with the needed repositories, it will
>>>>>>> install camel-blueprint bundle with all the required dependencies.
>>>>>>> The benefit is that you don't have to specify all the dependencies,
>>>>>>> but only the key bundles. The added benefit is that the deployment
>>>>>>> will leverage what is already installed and you don't have to
>> maintain
>>>>>>> an homogeneous set of repositories (for example, you should not have
>>>>>>> to specify which version of spring you want to use and obr will reuse
>>>>>>> the one installed if possible, or choose which one to install based
>> on
>>>>>>> the constraints expressed by the bundles).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't updated the feature descriptor yet, mostly because we don't
>>>>>>> have a obr repository which contain all the bundles we need.
>>>>>>> I have one locally that contain all the bundles present on maven
>>>>>>> central, but it's a bit too big to be used in this context, so not
>>>>>>> sure how to handle that yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, just wanted to give a heads up on that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the points of friction I see between maven and osgi is that in
>>>>>>
>>>>> maven you explicitly specify which artifacts supply your needed
>>>>> dependencies whereas in osgi they magically appear from something like
>>>>> OBR.
>>>>> I've always wondered where the OBR-like info is supposed to come from.
>>>>> On
>>>>> the other hand, if you are using maven to build, you have a reasonable
>>>>> set
>>>>> of candidate artifacts in the maven dependencies (assuming they are all
>>>>> bundles).
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something I started experimenting with in geronimo is to, for each
>>>>>>
>>>>> feature, construct an OBR xml file out of the maven dependencies. Just
>>>>> before you try to install the feature, you add the obr fragment to the
>>>>> OBR
>>>>> instance you are using for resolving the feature. This pretty much
>>>>> assures
>>>>> that something that will enable the bundles in the features to resolve
>>>>> will
>>>>> be available.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Writing the code for this was easy, but we weren't relying enough on
>> OBR
>>>>>>
>>>>> at the time to find out how well it works in practice. I have been
>>>>> wondering if anyone else would think this is a reasonable approach to
>>>>> investigate.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>
>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A.<http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Features and OBR
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
nothing to add, i like it :)
kind regards
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 04:28:21PM +0200, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> Ok, so i've raise KARAF-251 and KARAF-252 and committed some patches, but
> i'd like to discuss those before closing the jiras.
>
> So, KARAF-251 is about using range on features.
> I've modified the parser and installation service to allow using ranges when
> specifying a dependency on a feature.
> I've also modified the karaf feature descriptor to leverage that by adding a
> spring2 feature:
>
> <feature name="spring" version="2.5.6.SEC01">
> <bundle
> dependency='true'>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.aopalliance/1.0_4</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-core/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-beans/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-aop/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-context/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-context-support/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
> </feature>
> <feature name="spring" version="3.0.3.RELEASE">
> <bundle
> dependency='true'>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.aopalliance/1.0_4</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-core/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-asm/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-expression/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-beans/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-aop/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-context/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-context-support/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
> </feature>
> <feature name="spring-dm" version="1.2.0">
> <feature version="[2.5.6,4)">spring</feature>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.cglib/2.1_3_6</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework.osgi/spring-osgi-io/1.2.0</bundle>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework.osgi/spring-osgi-core/1.2.0</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework.osgi/spring-osgi-extender/1.2.0</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.springframework.osgi/spring-osgi-annotation/1.2.0</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.deployer/org.apache.karaf.deployer.spring/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
> </feature>
>
> When installing a feature, the dependant features are installed as
> following:
> * if no version is indicated, it means [0, +oo)
> * if a version is indicated, the range is closed [x, x]
> * if a feature matching the range is already installed, use that one
> * else find the highest version matching the range
>
> So if you 'features:install spring-dm' it will install spring 3.0.3 by
> default. If you want to install the 2.5 version, you need to
> 'features:install spring 2.5.6' and then 'features:install spring-dm'.
>
> The second improvement, KARAF-252 is about leveraging OBR to avoid
> installing duplicate dependencies while not forcing the user into using and
> maintaining OBR repositories. It can now be done by flagging dependencies
> with a dependency='true' flag and resolver="(obr)". Note the parentheses
> that mean the obr resolver is optional (so it will default to the previous
> behavior if obr isn't installed and in that case will install all the listed
> bundles). If obr resolver is present, the feature will be transitively
> resolved by creating an obr repository containing all the listed bundles and
> resolving only the bundles marked as not 'dependency'. So in the example
> above, the aopalliance bundle is marked as a dependency, so that if another
> aopalliance bundle satisfying the constraint (imported packages, etc...) is
> already installed, it won't be installed.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:17, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I was mostly thinking about versioning at the feature dependency level.
> > The mvn url already supports range, so i don't think we need to do anything
> > here.
> > Afaik, you can already write:
> >
> > mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/[1.3_3,2)
> >
> > I'll post a bit more later today or tomorrow.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:32, Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It sounds good.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Guillaume
> >> >
> >> > +1 to support dependency on features range.
> >> > Anyway, the dependency resolution is already performed by the bundle (if
> >> it
> >> > uses Import-Package statement with a version range, for instance, in
> >> your
> >> > exemple org.apache.commons.lang;version="[2.4,2.5)").
> >> >
> >> > I guess that we need to "construct" the URL compatible with PAX URL
> >> before
> >> > delegating to PAX. The bundle will be added in the OBR repositories
> >> (locally
> >> > to Karaf) with a "dependency" flag.
> >> >
> >> > The question is how to upgrade the descriptor repository to work like
> >> this.
> >> >
> >> > I propose:
> >> > 1/ the bundle version could be optional as:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang</bundle>
> >> > In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get an existing
> >> > commons-lang bundle. It fails if the bundle is not present in the OBR
> >> > 2/ define a bundle version range as
> >> >
> >> >
> >> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/[2.4,2.5)</bundle>
> >> > In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get the first bundle
> >> > matching the version range.
> >> > 3/ define the bundle version is still supported (to be backward
> >> > compatible).
> >> >
> >> > What do you think ?
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > JB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 10/20/2010 01:02 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I think I have a solution to partially solve the problem. Of the main
> >> >> interest in OBR imho is that it knows what is installed in the
> >> framework
> >> >> already, so it can be used to avoid duplicating libraries in different
> >> >> versions that are not needed (if you need spring-core 3.0.3 but
> >> >> spring-core
> >> >> 3.0.4 is installed, there's no need to install both usually).
> >> >> The problem is that the use of OBR usually require OBR repositories.
> >> I
> >> >> think I can get rid of that by creating a dummy OBR repository from the
> >> >> features descriptors and flagging some bundles in the features
> >> descriptor
> >> >> as
> >> >> optional (or dependencies).
> >> >>
> >> >> For example, in the current descriptor repoitory we have:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> <feature name="jasypt-encryption" version="2.1.99-SNAPSHOT">
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/1.3_3</bundle>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/2.4_4</bundle>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.jasypt/1.6_1</bundle>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
> >> >> </feature>
> >> >>
> >> >> But really, the key bundle here is
> >> >> the
> >> mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT
> >> >> one, whereas the three others are just dependency whith versions that
> >> >> could
> >> >> be changed (provided they are still in the required range). This would
> >> >> mean
> >> >> that if commons-lang-2.5 has already been installed through another
> >> >> feature,
> >> >> there's no need to install another version of it.
> >> >>
> >> >> In addition, I think supporting dependency on feature ranges would be
> >> >> really
> >> >> important as it would help greatly when depending on spring 2.x or 3.x
> >> for
> >> >> example.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:29, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> That could be a good way. I haven't experimented that really, but I
> >> >>> think it would at least give the freedom to the resolver to reuse
> >> >>> locally installed bundles, so that's obviously a really good start.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As for OBR itself, I've added to the maven bundle plugin a goal that
> >> >>> can be used to build an obr repository out of a maven repository in a
> >> >>> directory. This goal can also generated maven urls instead of the
> >> >>> file:// urls that it would give. Thus giving an additional
> >> >>> indirection in the url instead of pointing directly to the http
> >> >>> location.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I think from a production pov, what would be needed is some kind of
> >> >>> maven repository (nexus or archiva) coupled with an OBR repository.
> >> >>> This way, the deployer would be responsibe for adding authorized
> >> >>> artifacts in the repository and that would automatically update an obr
> >> >>> repository descriptor with the added artifacts.
> >> >>> The problem is that this way of seeing the problem does not work well
> >> >>> in a non controlled environment such as most users do when they allow
> >> >>> access to maven central ... So in that case, your approach of using
> >> >>> the maven dependencies could be a good solution.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 18:34, David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I've just added support for pluggable resolvers for features.
> >> >>>>> I've also created an OBR based resolver that is installed with the
> >> obr
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> feature.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Now you can do the following:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <feature name="xx" version="yy" resolver="obr">
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> <bundle>bundle:(&(symbolicname=org.apache.camel.camel-blueprint)(version>=2.4.0)(version<2.4.1))</bundle>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> </feature>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> If OBR has been configured with the needed repositories, it will
> >> >>>>> install camel-blueprint bundle with all the required dependencies.
> >> >>>>> The benefit is that you don't have to specify all the dependencies,
> >> >>>>> but only the key bundles. The added benefit is that the deployment
> >> >>>>> will leverage what is already installed and you don't have to
> >> maintain
> >> >>>>> an homogeneous set of repositories (for example, you should not have
> >> >>>>> to specify which version of spring you want to use and obr will
> >> reuse
> >> >>>>> the one installed if possible, or choose which one to install based
> >> on
> >> >>>>> the constraints expressed by the bundles).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I haven't updated the feature descriptor yet, mostly because we
> >> don't
> >> >>>>> have a obr repository which contain all the bundles we need.
> >> >>>>> I have one locally that contain all the bundles present on maven
> >> >>>>> central, but it's a bit too big to be used in this context, so not
> >> >>>>> sure how to handle that yet.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Anyway, just wanted to give a heads up on that.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> One of the points of friction I see between maven and osgi is that in
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> maven you explicitly specify which artifacts supply your needed
> >> >>> dependencies whereas in osgi they magically appear from something like
> >> >>> OBR.
> >> >>> I've always wondered where the OBR-like info is supposed to come
> >> from.
> >> >>> On
> >> >>> the other hand, if you are using maven to build, you have a reasonable
> >> >>> set
> >> >>> of candidate artifacts in the maven dependencies (assuming they are
> >> all
> >> >>> bundles).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Something I started experimenting with in geronimo is to, for each
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> feature, construct an OBR xml file out of the maven dependencies.
> >> Just
> >> >>> before you try to install the feature, you add the obr fragment to the
> >> >>> OBR
> >> >>> instance you are using for resolving the feature. This pretty much
> >> >>> assures
> >> >>> that something that will enable the bundles in the features to resolve
> >> >>> will
> >> >>> be available.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Writing the code for this was easy, but we weren't relying enough on
> >> OBR
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> at the time to find out how well it works in practice. I have been
> >> >>> wondering if anyone else would think this is a reasonable approach to
> >> >>> investigate.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> thanks
> >> >>>> david jencks
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Cheers,
> >> >>>>> Guillaume Nodet
> >> >>>>> ------------------------
> >> >>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >> >>>>> ------------------------
> >> >>>>> Open Source SOA
> >> >>>>> http://fusesource.com
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Cheers,
> >> >>> Guillaume Nodet
> >> >>> ------------------------
> >> >>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >> >>> ------------------------
> >> >>> Open Source SOA
> >> >>> http://fusesource.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Ioannis Canellos*
> >> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
Re: Features and OBR
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Ok, so i've raise KARAF-251 and KARAF-252 and committed some patches, but
i'd like to discuss those before closing the jiras.
So, KARAF-251 is about using range on features.
I've modified the parser and installation service to allow using ranges when
specifying a dependency on a feature.
I've also modified the karaf feature descriptor to leverage that by adding a
spring2 feature:
<feature name="spring" version="2.5.6.SEC01">
<bundle
dependency='true'>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.aopalliance/1.0_4</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-core/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-beans/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-aop/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-context/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-context-support/2.5.6.SEC01</bundle>
</feature>
<feature name="spring" version="3.0.3.RELEASE">
<bundle
dependency='true'>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.aopalliance/1.0_4</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-core/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-asm/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-expression/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-beans/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-aop/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-context/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework/spring-context-support/3.0.3.RELEASE</bundle>
</feature>
<feature name="spring-dm" version="1.2.0">
<feature version="[2.5.6,4)">spring</feature>
<bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.cglib/2.1_3_6</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework.osgi/spring-osgi-io/1.2.0</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework.osgi/spring-osgi-core/1.2.0</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework.osgi/spring-osgi-extender/1.2.0</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.springframework.osgi/spring-osgi-annotation/1.2.0</bundle>
<bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.deployer/org.apache.karaf.deployer.spring/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
</feature>
When installing a feature, the dependant features are installed as
following:
* if no version is indicated, it means [0, +oo)
* if a version is indicated, the range is closed [x, x]
* if a feature matching the range is already installed, use that one
* else find the highest version matching the range
So if you 'features:install spring-dm' it will install spring 3.0.3 by
default. If you want to install the 2.5 version, you need to
'features:install spring 2.5.6' and then 'features:install spring-dm'.
The second improvement, KARAF-252 is about leveraging OBR to avoid
installing duplicate dependencies while not forcing the user into using and
maintaining OBR repositories. It can now be done by flagging dependencies
with a dependency='true' flag and resolver="(obr)". Note the parentheses
that mean the obr resolver is optional (so it will default to the previous
behavior if obr isn't installed and in that case will install all the listed
bundles). If obr resolver is present, the feature will be transitively
resolved by creating an obr repository containing all the listed bundles and
resolving only the bundles marked as not 'dependency'. So in the example
above, the aopalliance bundle is marked as a dependency, so that if another
aopalliance bundle satisfying the constraint (imported packages, etc...) is
already installed, it won't be installed.
Thoughts?
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:17, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was mostly thinking about versioning at the feature dependency level.
> The mvn url already supports range, so i don't think we need to do anything
> here.
> Afaik, you can already write:
>
> mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/[1.3_3,2)
>
> I'll post a bit more later today or tomorrow.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:32, Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It sounds good.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Guillaume
>> >
>> > +1 to support dependency on features range.
>> > Anyway, the dependency resolution is already performed by the bundle (if
>> it
>> > uses Import-Package statement with a version range, for instance, in
>> your
>> > exemple org.apache.commons.lang;version="[2.4,2.5)").
>> >
>> > I guess that we need to "construct" the URL compatible with PAX URL
>> before
>> > delegating to PAX. The bundle will be added in the OBR repositories
>> (locally
>> > to Karaf) with a "dependency" flag.
>> >
>> > The question is how to upgrade the descriptor repository to work like
>> this.
>> >
>> > I propose:
>> > 1/ the bundle version could be optional as:
>> >
>> >
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang</bundle>
>> > In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get an existing
>> > commons-lang bundle. It fails if the bundle is not present in the OBR
>> > 2/ define a bundle version range as
>> >
>> >
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/[2.4,2.5)</bundle>
>> > In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get the first bundle
>> > matching the version range.
>> > 3/ define the bundle version is still supported (to be backward
>> > compatible).
>> >
>> > What do you think ?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > JB
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/20/2010 01:02 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think I have a solution to partially solve the problem. Of the main
>> >> interest in OBR imho is that it knows what is installed in the
>> framework
>> >> already, so it can be used to avoid duplicating libraries in different
>> >> versions that are not needed (if you need spring-core 3.0.3 but
>> >> spring-core
>> >> 3.0.4 is installed, there's no need to install both usually).
>> >> The problem is that the use of OBR usually require OBR repositories.
>> I
>> >> think I can get rid of that by creating a dummy OBR repository from the
>> >> features descriptors and flagging some bundles in the features
>> descriptor
>> >> as
>> >> optional (or dependencies).
>> >>
>> >> For example, in the current descriptor repoitory we have:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <feature name="jasypt-encryption" version="2.1.99-SNAPSHOT">
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/1.3_3</bundle>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/2.4_4</bundle>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.jasypt/1.6_1</bundle>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
>> >> </feature>
>> >>
>> >> But really, the key bundle here is
>> >> the
>> mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT
>> >> one, whereas the three others are just dependency whith versions that
>> >> could
>> >> be changed (provided they are still in the required range). This would
>> >> mean
>> >> that if commons-lang-2.5 has already been installed through another
>> >> feature,
>> >> there's no need to install another version of it.
>> >>
>> >> In addition, I think supporting dependency on feature ranges would be
>> >> really
>> >> important as it would help greatly when depending on spring 2.x or 3.x
>> for
>> >> example.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:29, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That could be a good way. I haven't experimented that really, but I
>> >>> think it would at least give the freedom to the resolver to reuse
>> >>> locally installed bundles, so that's obviously a really good start.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for OBR itself, I've added to the maven bundle plugin a goal that
>> >>> can be used to build an obr repository out of a maven repository in a
>> >>> directory. This goal can also generated maven urls instead of the
>> >>> file:// urls that it would give. Thus giving an additional
>> >>> indirection in the url instead of pointing directly to the http
>> >>> location.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think from a production pov, what would be needed is some kind of
>> >>> maven repository (nexus or archiva) coupled with an OBR repository.
>> >>> This way, the deployer would be responsibe for adding authorized
>> >>> artifacts in the repository and that would automatically update an obr
>> >>> repository descriptor with the added artifacts.
>> >>> The problem is that this way of seeing the problem does not work well
>> >>> in a non controlled environment such as most users do when they allow
>> >>> access to maven central ... So in that case, your approach of using
>> >>> the maven dependencies could be a good solution.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 18:34, David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've just added support for pluggable resolvers for features.
>> >>>>> I've also created an OBR based resolver that is installed with the
>> obr
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> feature.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Now you can do the following:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> <feature name="xx" version="yy" resolver="obr">
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> <bundle>bundle:(&(symbolicname=org.apache.camel.camel-blueprint)(version>=2.4.0)(version<2.4.1))</bundle>
>> >>>
>> >>>> </feature>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If OBR has been configured with the needed repositories, it will
>> >>>>> install camel-blueprint bundle with all the required dependencies.
>> >>>>> The benefit is that you don't have to specify all the dependencies,
>> >>>>> but only the key bundles. The added benefit is that the deployment
>> >>>>> will leverage what is already installed and you don't have to
>> maintain
>> >>>>> an homogeneous set of repositories (for example, you should not have
>> >>>>> to specify which version of spring you want to use and obr will
>> reuse
>> >>>>> the one installed if possible, or choose which one to install based
>> on
>> >>>>> the constraints expressed by the bundles).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I haven't updated the feature descriptor yet, mostly because we
>> don't
>> >>>>> have a obr repository which contain all the bundles we need.
>> >>>>> I have one locally that contain all the bundles present on maven
>> >>>>> central, but it's a bit too big to be used in this context, so not
>> >>>>> sure how to handle that yet.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Anyway, just wanted to give a heads up on that.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> One of the points of friction I see between maven and osgi is that in
>> >>>>
>> >>> maven you explicitly specify which artifacts supply your needed
>> >>> dependencies whereas in osgi they magically appear from something like
>> >>> OBR.
>> >>> I've always wondered where the OBR-like info is supposed to come
>> from.
>> >>> On
>> >>> the other hand, if you are using maven to build, you have a reasonable
>> >>> set
>> >>> of candidate artifacts in the maven dependencies (assuming they are
>> all
>> >>> bundles).
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Something I started experimenting with in geronimo is to, for each
>> >>>>
>> >>> feature, construct an OBR xml file out of the maven dependencies.
>> Just
>> >>> before you try to install the feature, you add the obr fragment to the
>> >>> OBR
>> >>> instance you are using for resolving the feature. This pretty much
>> >>> assures
>> >>> that something that will enable the bundles in the features to resolve
>> >>> will
>> >>> be available.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Writing the code for this was easy, but we weren't relying enough on
>> OBR
>> >>>>
>> >>> at the time to find out how well it works in practice. I have been
>> >>> wondering if anyone else would think this is a reasonable approach to
>> >>> investigate.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> thanks
>> >>>> david jencks
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>> >>>>> ------------------------
>> >>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> >>>>> ------------------------
>> >>>>> Open Source SOA
>> >>>>> http://fusesource.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Guillaume Nodet
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>> Open Source SOA
>> >>> http://fusesource.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Ioannis Canellos*
>> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>>
>> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Features and OBR
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I was mostly thinking about versioning at the feature dependency level.
The mvn url already supports range, so i don't think we need to do anything
here.
Afaik, you can already write:
mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/[1.3_3,2)
I'll post a bit more later today or tomorrow.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:32, Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It sounds good.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Guillaume
> >
> > +1 to support dependency on features range.
> > Anyway, the dependency resolution is already performed by the bundle (if
> it
> > uses Import-Package statement with a version range, for instance, in your
> > exemple org.apache.commons.lang;version="[2.4,2.5)").
> >
> > I guess that we need to "construct" the URL compatible with PAX URL
> before
> > delegating to PAX. The bundle will be added in the OBR repositories
> (locally
> > to Karaf) with a "dependency" flag.
> >
> > The question is how to upgrade the descriptor repository to work like
> this.
> >
> > I propose:
> > 1/ the bundle version could be optional as:
> >
> >
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang</bundle>
> > In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get an existing
> > commons-lang bundle. It fails if the bundle is not present in the OBR
> > 2/ define a bundle version range as
> >
> >
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/[2.4,2.5)</bundle>
> > In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get the first bundle
> > matching the version range.
> > 3/ define the bundle version is still supported (to be backward
> > compatible).
> >
> > What do you think ?
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> >
> > On 10/20/2010 01:02 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >
> >> I think I have a solution to partially solve the problem. Of the main
> >> interest in OBR imho is that it knows what is installed in the framework
> >> already, so it can be used to avoid duplicating libraries in different
> >> versions that are not needed (if you need spring-core 3.0.3 but
> >> spring-core
> >> 3.0.4 is installed, there's no need to install both usually).
> >> The problem is that the use of OBR usually require OBR repositories. I
> >> think I can get rid of that by creating a dummy OBR repository from the
> >> features descriptors and flagging some bundles in the features
> descriptor
> >> as
> >> optional (or dependencies).
> >>
> >> For example, in the current descriptor repoitory we have:
> >>
> >>
> >> <feature name="jasypt-encryption" version="2.1.99-SNAPSHOT">
> >>
> >>
> >>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/1.3_3</bundle>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/2.4_4</bundle>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.jasypt/1.6_1</bundle>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
> >> </feature>
> >>
> >> But really, the key bundle here is
> >> the
> mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT
> >> one, whereas the three others are just dependency whith versions that
> >> could
> >> be changed (provided they are still in the required range). This would
> >> mean
> >> that if commons-lang-2.5 has already been installed through another
> >> feature,
> >> there's no need to install another version of it.
> >>
> >> In addition, I think supporting dependency on feature ranges would be
> >> really
> >> important as it would help greatly when depending on spring 2.x or 3.x
> for
> >> example.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:29, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That could be a good way. I haven't experimented that really, but I
> >>> think it would at least give the freedom to the resolver to reuse
> >>> locally installed bundles, so that's obviously a really good start.
> >>>
> >>> As for OBR itself, I've added to the maven bundle plugin a goal that
> >>> can be used to build an obr repository out of a maven repository in a
> >>> directory. This goal can also generated maven urls instead of the
> >>> file:// urls that it would give. Thus giving an additional
> >>> indirection in the url instead of pointing directly to the http
> >>> location.
> >>>
> >>> I think from a production pov, what would be needed is some kind of
> >>> maven repository (nexus or archiva) coupled with an OBR repository.
> >>> This way, the deployer would be responsibe for adding authorized
> >>> artifacts in the repository and that would automatically update an obr
> >>> repository descriptor with the added artifacts.
> >>> The problem is that this way of seeing the problem does not work well
> >>> in a non controlled environment such as most users do when they allow
> >>> access to maven central ... So in that case, your approach of using
> >>> the maven dependencies could be a good solution.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 18:34, David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've just added support for pluggable resolvers for features.
> >>>>> I've also created an OBR based resolver that is installed with the
> obr
> >>>>>
> >>>> feature.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Now you can do the following:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <feature name="xx" version="yy" resolver="obr">
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> <bundle>bundle:(&(symbolicname=org.apache.camel.camel-blueprint)(version>=2.4.0)(version<2.4.1))</bundle>
> >>>
> >>>> </feature>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If OBR has been configured with the needed repositories, it will
> >>>>> install camel-blueprint bundle with all the required dependencies.
> >>>>> The benefit is that you don't have to specify all the dependencies,
> >>>>> but only the key bundles. The added benefit is that the deployment
> >>>>> will leverage what is already installed and you don't have to
> maintain
> >>>>> an homogeneous set of repositories (for example, you should not have
> >>>>> to specify which version of spring you want to use and obr will reuse
> >>>>> the one installed if possible, or choose which one to install based
> on
> >>>>> the constraints expressed by the bundles).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I haven't updated the feature descriptor yet, mostly because we don't
> >>>>> have a obr repository which contain all the bundles we need.
> >>>>> I have one locally that contain all the bundles present on maven
> >>>>> central, but it's a bit too big to be used in this context, so not
> >>>>> sure how to handle that yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, just wanted to give a heads up on that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> One of the points of friction I see between maven and osgi is that in
> >>>>
> >>> maven you explicitly specify which artifacts supply your needed
> >>> dependencies whereas in osgi they magically appear from something like
> >>> OBR.
> >>> I've always wondered where the OBR-like info is supposed to come from.
> >>> On
> >>> the other hand, if you are using maven to build, you have a reasonable
> >>> set
> >>> of candidate artifacts in the maven dependencies (assuming they are all
> >>> bundles).
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Something I started experimenting with in geronimo is to, for each
> >>>>
> >>> feature, construct an OBR xml file out of the maven dependencies. Just
> >>> before you try to install the feature, you add the obr fragment to the
> >>> OBR
> >>> instance you are using for resolving the feature. This pretty much
> >>> assures
> >>> that something that will enable the bundles in the features to resolve
> >>> will
> >>> be available.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Writing the code for this was easy, but we weren't relying enough on
> OBR
> >>>>
> >>> at the time to find out how well it works in practice. I have been
> >>> wondering if anyone else would think this is a reasonable approach to
> >>> investigate.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks
> >>>> david jencks
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Guillaume Nodet
> >>>>> ------------------------
> >>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >>>>> ------------------------
> >>>>> Open Source SOA
> >>>>> http://fusesource.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Guillaume Nodet
> >>> ------------------------
> >>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >>> ------------------------
> >>> Open Source SOA
> >>> http://fusesource.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
> *Ioannis Canellos*
> http://iocanel.blogspot.com
>
> Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Features and OBR
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
It sounds good.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>wrote:
> Hi Guillaume
>
> +1 to support dependency on features range.
> Anyway, the dependency resolution is already performed by the bundle (if it
> uses Import-Package statement with a version range, for instance, in your
> exemple org.apache.commons.lang;version="[2.4,2.5)").
>
> I guess that we need to "construct" the URL compatible with PAX URL before
> delegating to PAX. The bundle will be added in the OBR repositories (locally
> to Karaf) with a "dependency" flag.
>
> The question is how to upgrade the descriptor repository to work like this.
>
> I propose:
> 1/ the bundle version could be optional as:
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang</bundle>
> In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get an existing
> commons-lang bundle. It fails if the bundle is not present in the OBR
> 2/ define a bundle version range as
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/[2.4,2.5)</bundle>
> In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get the first bundle
> matching the version range.
> 3/ define the bundle version is still supported (to be backward
> compatible).
>
> What do you think ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 10/20/2010 01:02 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>
>> I think I have a solution to partially solve the problem. Of the main
>> interest in OBR imho is that it knows what is installed in the framework
>> already, so it can be used to avoid duplicating libraries in different
>> versions that are not needed (if you need spring-core 3.0.3 but
>> spring-core
>> 3.0.4 is installed, there's no need to install both usually).
>> The problem is that the use of OBR usually require OBR repositories. I
>> think I can get rid of that by creating a dummy OBR repository from the
>> features descriptors and flagging some bundles in the features descriptor
>> as
>> optional (or dependencies).
>>
>> For example, in the current descriptor repoitory we have:
>>
>>
>> <feature name="jasypt-encryption" version="2.1.99-SNAPSHOT">
>>
>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/1.3_3</bundle>
>>
>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/2.4_4</bundle>
>>
>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.jasypt/1.6_1</bundle>
>>
>>
>> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
>> </feature>
>>
>> But really, the key bundle here is
>> the mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT
>> one, whereas the three others are just dependency whith versions that
>> could
>> be changed (provided they are still in the required range). This would
>> mean
>> that if commons-lang-2.5 has already been installed through another
>> feature,
>> there's no need to install another version of it.
>>
>> In addition, I think supporting dependency on feature ranges would be
>> really
>> important as it would help greatly when depending on spring 2.x or 3.x for
>> example.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:29, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That could be a good way. I haven't experimented that really, but I
>>> think it would at least give the freedom to the resolver to reuse
>>> locally installed bundles, so that's obviously a really good start.
>>>
>>> As for OBR itself, I've added to the maven bundle plugin a goal that
>>> can be used to build an obr repository out of a maven repository in a
>>> directory. This goal can also generated maven urls instead of the
>>> file:// urls that it would give. Thus giving an additional
>>> indirection in the url instead of pointing directly to the http
>>> location.
>>>
>>> I think from a production pov, what would be needed is some kind of
>>> maven repository (nexus or archiva) coupled with an OBR repository.
>>> This way, the deployer would be responsibe for adding authorized
>>> artifacts in the repository and that would automatically update an obr
>>> repository descriptor with the added artifacts.
>>> The problem is that this way of seeing the problem does not work well
>>> in a non controlled environment such as most users do when they allow
>>> access to maven central ... So in that case, your approach of using
>>> the maven dependencies could be a good solution.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 18:34, David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've just added support for pluggable resolvers for features.
>>>>> I've also created an OBR based resolver that is installed with the obr
>>>>>
>>>> feature.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Now you can do the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> <feature name="xx" version="yy" resolver="obr">
>>>>>
>>>>> <bundle>bundle:(&(symbolicname=org.apache.camel.camel-blueprint)(version>=2.4.0)(version<2.4.1))</bundle>
>>>
>>>> </feature>
>>>>>
>>>>> If OBR has been configured with the needed repositories, it will
>>>>> install camel-blueprint bundle with all the required dependencies.
>>>>> The benefit is that you don't have to specify all the dependencies,
>>>>> but only the key bundles. The added benefit is that the deployment
>>>>> will leverage what is already installed and you don't have to maintain
>>>>> an homogeneous set of repositories (for example, you should not have
>>>>> to specify which version of spring you want to use and obr will reuse
>>>>> the one installed if possible, or choose which one to install based on
>>>>> the constraints expressed by the bundles).
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't updated the feature descriptor yet, mostly because we don't
>>>>> have a obr repository which contain all the bundles we need.
>>>>> I have one locally that contain all the bundles present on maven
>>>>> central, but it's a bit too big to be used in this context, so not
>>>>> sure how to handle that yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, just wanted to give a heads up on that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of the points of friction I see between maven and osgi is that in
>>>>
>>> maven you explicitly specify which artifacts supply your needed
>>> dependencies whereas in osgi they magically appear from something like
>>> OBR.
>>> I've always wondered where the OBR-like info is supposed to come from.
>>> On
>>> the other hand, if you are using maven to build, you have a reasonable
>>> set
>>> of candidate artifacts in the maven dependencies (assuming they are all
>>> bundles).
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something I started experimenting with in geronimo is to, for each
>>>>
>>> feature, construct an OBR xml file out of the maven dependencies. Just
>>> before you try to install the feature, you add the obr fragment to the
>>> OBR
>>> instance you are using for resolving the feature. This pretty much
>>> assures
>>> that something that will enable the bundles in the features to resolve
>>> will
>>> be available.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Writing the code for this was easy, but we weren't relying enough on OBR
>>>>
>>> at the time to find out how well it works in practice. I have been
>>> wondering if anyone else would think this is a reasonable approach to
>>> investigate.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> david jencks
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
--
*Ioannis Canellos*
http://iocanel.blogspot.com
Integration Engineer @ Upstream S.A. <http://www.upstreamsystems.com>
Re: Features and OBR
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Guillaume
+1 to support dependency on features range.
Anyway, the dependency resolution is already performed by the bundle (if
it uses Import-Package statement with a version range, for instance, in
your exemple org.apache.commons.lang;version="[2.4,2.5)").
I guess that we need to "construct" the URL compatible with PAX URL
before delegating to PAX. The bundle will be added in the OBR
repositories (locally to Karaf) with a "dependency" flag.
The question is how to upgrade the descriptor repository to work like this.
I propose:
1/ the bundle version could be optional as:
<bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang</bundle>
In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get an existing
commons-lang bundle. It fails if the bundle is not present in the OBR
2/ define a bundle version range as
<bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/[2.4,2.5)</bundle>
In that case, Karaf will looking for the OBR to get the first bundle
matching the version range.
3/ define the bundle version is still supported (to be backward compatible).
What do you think ?
Regards
JB
On 10/20/2010 01:02 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> I think I have a solution to partially solve the problem. Of the main
> interest in OBR imho is that it knows what is installed in the framework
> already, so it can be used to avoid duplicating libraries in different
> versions that are not needed (if you need spring-core 3.0.3 but spring-core
> 3.0.4 is installed, there's no need to install both usually).
> The problem is that the use of OBR usually require OBR repositories. I
> think I can get rid of that by creating a dummy OBR repository from the
> features descriptors and flagging some bundles in the features descriptor as
> optional (or dependencies).
>
> For example, in the current descriptor repoitory we have:
>
>
> <feature name="jasypt-encryption" version="2.1.99-SNAPSHOT">
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/1.3_3</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/2.4_4</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.jasypt/1.6_1</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
> </feature>
>
> But really, the key bundle here is
> the mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT
> one, whereas the three others are just dependency whith versions that could
> be changed (provided they are still in the required range). This would mean
> that if commons-lang-2.5 has already been installed through another feature,
> there's no need to install another version of it.
>
> In addition, I think supporting dependency on feature ranges would be really
> important as it would help greatly when depending on spring 2.x or 3.x for
> example.
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:29, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That could be a good way. I haven't experimented that really, but I
>> think it would at least give the freedom to the resolver to reuse
>> locally installed bundles, so that's obviously a really good start.
>>
>> As for OBR itself, I've added to the maven bundle plugin a goal that
>> can be used to build an obr repository out of a maven repository in a
>> directory. This goal can also generated maven urls instead of the
>> file:// urls that it would give. Thus giving an additional
>> indirection in the url instead of pointing directly to the http
>> location.
>>
>> I think from a production pov, what would be needed is some kind of
>> maven repository (nexus or archiva) coupled with an OBR repository.
>> This way, the deployer would be responsibe for adding authorized
>> artifacts in the repository and that would automatically update an obr
>> repository descriptor with the added artifacts.
>> The problem is that this way of seeing the problem does not work well
>> in a non controlled environment such as most users do when they allow
>> access to maven central ... So in that case, your approach of using
>> the maven dependencies could be a good solution.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 18:34, David Jencks<da...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've just added support for pluggable resolvers for features.
>>>> I've also created an OBR based resolver that is installed with the obr
>> feature.
>>>>
>>>> Now you can do the following:
>>>>
>>>> <feature name="xx" version="yy" resolver="obr">
>>>>
>> <bundle>bundle:(&(symbolicname=org.apache.camel.camel-blueprint)(version>=2.4.0)(version<2.4.1))</bundle>
>>>> </feature>
>>>>
>>>> If OBR has been configured with the needed repositories, it will
>>>> install camel-blueprint bundle with all the required dependencies.
>>>> The benefit is that you don't have to specify all the dependencies,
>>>> but only the key bundles. The added benefit is that the deployment
>>>> will leverage what is already installed and you don't have to maintain
>>>> an homogeneous set of repositories (for example, you should not have
>>>> to specify which version of spring you want to use and obr will reuse
>>>> the one installed if possible, or choose which one to install based on
>>>> the constraints expressed by the bundles).
>>>>
>>>> I haven't updated the feature descriptor yet, mostly because we don't
>>>> have a obr repository which contain all the bundles we need.
>>>> I have one locally that contain all the bundles present on maven
>>>> central, but it's a bit too big to be used in this context, so not
>>>> sure how to handle that yet.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, just wanted to give a heads up on that.
>>>
>>>
>>> One of the points of friction I see between maven and osgi is that in
>> maven you explicitly specify which artifacts supply your needed
>> dependencies whereas in osgi they magically appear from something like OBR.
>> I've always wondered where the OBR-like info is supposed to come from. On
>> the other hand, if you are using maven to build, you have a reasonable set
>> of candidate artifacts in the maven dependencies (assuming they are all
>> bundles).
>>>
>>> Something I started experimenting with in geronimo is to, for each
>> feature, construct an OBR xml file out of the maven dependencies. Just
>> before you try to install the feature, you add the obr fragment to the OBR
>> instance you are using for resolving the feature. This pretty much assures
>> that something that will enable the bundles in the features to resolve will
>> be available.
>>>
>>> Writing the code for this was easy, but we weren't relying enough on OBR
>> at the time to find out how well it works in practice. I have been
>> wondering if anyone else would think this is a reasonable approach to
>> investigate.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> david jencks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
>
>
Re: Features and OBR
Posted by Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>.
Hi
Just a heads up. Looking forward to when this is in place in Karaf.
Have been working on fixing the issues having Camel features.xml
overlap some basic features from Karaf such as http, spring,
spring-dm.
But I hit the issue that Camel is on Spring 3.0.4 and Karaf 2.1 is on
Spring 3.0.3.
Anyway knowing that this makes it into Karaf, it should allow us to
remove the: spring, spring-dm and http features form Camel and rely on
Karaf.
Which means the Camel features are 100% Camel components only.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I have a solution to partially solve the problem. Of the main
> interest in OBR imho is that it knows what is installed in the framework
> already, so it can be used to avoid duplicating libraries in different
> versions that are not needed (if you need spring-core 3.0.3 but spring-core
> 3.0.4 is installed, there's no need to install both usually).
> The problem is that the use of OBR usually require OBR repositories. I
> think I can get rid of that by creating a dummy OBR repository from the
> features descriptors and flagging some bundles in the features descriptor as
> optional (or dependencies).
>
> For example, in the current descriptor repoitory we have:
>
>
> <feature name="jasypt-encryption" version="2.1.99-SNAPSHOT">
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-codec/1.3_3</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.commons-lang/2.4_4</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.jasypt/1.6_1</bundle>
>
> <bundle>mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT</bundle>
> </feature>
>
> But really, the key bundle here is
> the mvn:org.apache.karaf.jaas/org.apache.karaf.jaas.jasypt/2.1.99-SNAPSHOT
> one, whereas the three others are just dependency whith versions that could
> be changed (provided they are still in the required range). This would mean
> that if commons-lang-2.5 has already been installed through another feature,
> there's no need to install another version of it.
>
> In addition, I think supporting dependency on feature ranges would be really
> important as it would help greatly when depending on spring 2.x or 3.x for
> example.
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 09:29, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> That could be a good way. I haven't experimented that really, but I
>> think it would at least give the freedom to the resolver to reuse
>> locally installed bundles, so that's obviously a really good start.
>>
>> As for OBR itself, I've added to the maven bundle plugin a goal that
>> can be used to build an obr repository out of a maven repository in a
>> directory. This goal can also generated maven urls instead of the
>> file:// urls that it would give. Thus giving an additional
>> indirection in the url instead of pointing directly to the http
>> location.
>>
>> I think from a production pov, what would be needed is some kind of
>> maven repository (nexus or archiva) coupled with an OBR repository.
>> This way, the deployer would be responsibe for adding authorized
>> artifacts in the repository and that would automatically update an obr
>> repository descriptor with the added artifacts.
>> The problem is that this way of seeing the problem does not work well
>> in a non controlled environment such as most users do when they allow
>> access to maven central ... So in that case, your approach of using
>> the maven dependencies could be a good solution.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 18:34, David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've just added support for pluggable resolvers for features.
>> >> I've also created an OBR based resolver that is installed with the obr
>> feature.
>> >>
>> >> Now you can do the following:
>> >>
>> >> <feature name="xx" version="yy" resolver="obr">
>> >>
>> <bundle>bundle:(&(symbolicname=org.apache.camel.camel-blueprint)(version>=2.4.0)(version<2.4.1))</bundle>
>> >> </feature>
>> >>
>> >> If OBR has been configured with the needed repositories, it will
>> >> install camel-blueprint bundle with all the required dependencies.
>> >> The benefit is that you don't have to specify all the dependencies,
>> >> but only the key bundles. The added benefit is that the deployment
>> >> will leverage what is already installed and you don't have to maintain
>> >> an homogeneous set of repositories (for example, you should not have
>> >> to specify which version of spring you want to use and obr will reuse
>> >> the one installed if possible, or choose which one to install based on
>> >> the constraints expressed by the bundles).
>> >>
>> >> I haven't updated the feature descriptor yet, mostly because we don't
>> >> have a obr repository which contain all the bundles we need.
>> >> I have one locally that contain all the bundles present on maven
>> >> central, but it's a bit too big to be used in this context, so not
>> >> sure how to handle that yet.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, just wanted to give a heads up on that.
>> >
>> >
>> > One of the points of friction I see between maven and osgi is that in
>> maven you explicitly specify which artifacts supply your needed
>> dependencies whereas in osgi they magically appear from something like OBR.
>> I've always wondered where the OBR-like info is supposed to come from. On
>> the other hand, if you are using maven to build, you have a reasonable set
>> of candidate artifacts in the maven dependencies (assuming they are all
>> bundles).
>> >
>> > Something I started experimenting with in geronimo is to, for each
>> feature, construct an OBR xml file out of the maven dependencies. Just
>> before you try to install the feature, you add the obr fragment to the OBR
>> instance you are using for resolving the feature. This pretty much assures
>> that something that will enable the bundles in the features to resolve will
>> be available.
>> >
>> > Writing the code for this was easy, but we weren't relying enough on OBR
>> at the time to find out how well it works in practice. I have been
>> wondering if anyone else would think this is a reasonable approach to
>> investigate.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > david jencks
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Guillaume Nodet
>> >> ------------------------
>> >> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
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>> >
>> >
>>
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>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
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> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
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