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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> on 2016/01/07 13:24:37 UTC
Concerted may be in need of help
All,
The Concerted podling seems to have taken a pretty sharp drop in
participation since joining the incubator. They started their first month
very strong, high participation. They are currently in a situation where
no one has committed since November (they just started in October of last
year). Mailing list activity has dropped to practically nothing, the
majority of the activity last month was around the report, and this month
emails about the report are barely noticed by the project.
As you can see in the current report, they have not provided any report as
of now. This is after poking from both myself (as shepherd) and Julian (as
mentor). I'm brining all of this to the general attention as this is the
first non-monthly report the podling would have filed, and its not
available.
Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and the
wider incubator community).
John
Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
As I already expressed when Concerted joined, incubation is not a good
method to bootstrap a project from scratch; it raises expectation that may
not be true at all. Just to have that mind for the future.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > ...Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and
> the
> > wider incubator community)....
>
> If the podling has no activity and no one shows up to provide reports,
> I'd say it's a candidate for retirement.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
As I already expressed when Concerted joined, incubation is not a good
method to bootstrap a project from scratch; it raises expectation that may
not be true at all. Just to have that mind for the future.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > ...Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and
> the
> > wider incubator community)....
>
> If the podling has no activity and no one shows up to provide reports,
> I'd say it's a candidate for retirement.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and the
> wider incubator community)....
If the podling has no activity and no one shows up to provide reports,
I'd say it's a candidate for retirement.
-Bertrand
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and the
> wider incubator community)....
If the podling has no activity and no one shows up to provide reports,
I'd say it's a candidate for retirement.
-Bertrand
Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Technically Julian, I brought this issue up to the incubator, but I am glad
that my impressions of concerted aren't too far off.
Generally speaking, while not necessarily a requirement, the purpose of the
quarterly report is to see that the podling continues to make progress. If
the IPMC sees that podlings aren't making progress between reports, it is
meant to be a flag.
John
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:37 PM Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> (Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.)
>
> Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity
> requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the
> project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our
> concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it
> into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this
> project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways
> to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped,
> then don't help.
>
> Julian
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of
> activity. I
> >> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
> >> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
> >> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
> >> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
> >> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other
> podlings
> >> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
> >>
> >> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
> >> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
> >>
> >> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to
> re-establish
> >> steady activity this month?
> >
> >
> > What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
> > incubation?
> >
> > There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and
> some
> > years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new requirements
> > and
> > interests by patch submittors or committers.
> >
> > By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in weeks or
> > months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded. Do we
> > really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
> > contrary, it
> > is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
> > interesting
> > territory, not an n commits/mo target.
> >
> > That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, release
> > often,
> > demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
> > members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
> > required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project
> that
> > cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year or
> > two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract a
> > three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be
> retired.
>
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Jake Farrell <jf...@apache.org>.
no disagreement here, i've observed the same and agree that this project
has not been able to develop or attract any sort of community involvement
and that it would be best at this time for Concerted to retire from the
Incubator
-Jake
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for bringing up the topic again. As a Concerted mentor, I was
> planning to do the same today.
>
> Just to confirm your observations, you are correct that there has been no
> further visible progress. The only activity on the mailing list is from
> the mentors asking if anything is going on and reminding the community to
> file their reports. Again, there is no report.
>
> I'm not demanding any specific amount of activity, but complete lack of
> any activity sure makes it look like the podling is not viable. I don't
> think there is any remaining action that could be done by either the
> mentors or the wider Incubator community to salvage it, but I'm certainly
> open to suggestions if anyone disagrees.
>
> --Chris Nauroth
>
>
>
>
> On 4/7/16, 5:49 AM, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >Sorry to bring back this long dead topic, but wanted to rehash what was
> >discussed here.
> >
> >We're now 3 months later, and it seems that Concerted has not improved.
> >is
> >it time to call it?
> >
> >John
> >
> >On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:58 PM Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Everyone should read the subject and reset.
> >>
> >> If IPMC members having nothing better to offer than "give up" then
> >>please
> >> refrain from offering your advice to mentors asking for constructive
> >>help.
> >>
> >> That is not to say projects should linger, but unless mentors advise it
> >>we
> >> should not be interfering.
> >>
> >> Ross
> >>
> >> Sent from my Windows Phone
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Julian Hyde<ma...@apache.org>
> >> Sent: ?1/?9/?2016 12:37 PM
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
> >> Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
> >>
> >> (Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.)
> >>
> >> Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity
> >> requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the
> >> project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our
> >> concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it
> >> into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this
> >> project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways
> >> to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped,
> >> then don't help.
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wrowe@rowe-clan.net
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth
> >><cn...@hortonworks.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of
> >> activity. I
> >> >> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
> >> >> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that
> >>we
> >> >> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
> >> >> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project
> >>show
> >> >> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other
> >> podlings
> >> >> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this
> >>time.
> >> >>
> >> >> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
> >> >> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to
> >> re-establish
> >> >> steady activity this month?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
> >> > incubation?
> >> >
> >> > There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and
> >> some
> >> > years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new
> >>requirements
> >> > and
> >> > interests by patch submittors or committers.
> >> >
> >> > By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in
> >>weeks or
> >> > months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded.
> >>Do we
> >> > really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
> >> > contrary, it
> >> > is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
> >> > interesting
> >> > territory, not an n commits/mo target.
> >> >
> >> > That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early,
> >>release
> >> > often,
> >> > demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
> >> > members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
> >> > required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project
> >> that
> >> > cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year
> >>or
> >> > two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract
> >>a
> >> > three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be
> >> retired.
> >>
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
Ok, I’ve started a DISCUSS thread.
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> I agree. I think this project has been dead for a while, and we’re just prolonging the agony.
>
> As an initial Champion (but NOT a mentor) I have to agree :-(
>
>> If we were to wind up the project, how would we proceed? A vote on concerted's dev list with lazy consensus, I presume?
>>
>> Is there any reason why I should not start a discussion/vote right now?
>
> You've got it! One of the active mentors needs to start a DISCUSS
> thread on dev@concerted
> and see where it goes from there.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> I agree. I think this project has been dead for a while, and we’re just prolonging the agony.
As an initial Champion (but NOT a mentor) I have to agree :-(
> If we were to wind up the project, how would we proceed? A vote on concerted's dev list with lazy consensus, I presume?
>
> Is there any reason why I should not start a discussion/vote right now?
You've got it! One of the active mentors needs to start a DISCUSS
thread on dev@concerted
and see where it goes from there.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
I agree. I think this project has been dead for a while, and we’re just prolonging the agony.
If we were to wind up the project, how would we proceed? A vote on concerted's dev list with lazy consensus, I presume?
Is there any reason why I should not start a discussion/vote right now?
Julian
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for bringing up the topic again. As a Concerted mentor, I was
> planning to do the same today.
>
> Just to confirm your observations, you are correct that there has been no
> further visible progress. The only activity on the mailing list is from
> the mentors asking if anything is going on and reminding the community to
> file their reports. Again, there is no report.
>
> I'm not demanding any specific amount of activity, but complete lack of
> any activity sure makes it look like the podling is not viable. I don't
> think there is any remaining action that could be done by either the
> mentors or the wider Incubator community to salvage it, but I'm certainly
> open to suggestions if anyone disagrees.
>
> --Chris Nauroth
>
>
>
>
> On 4/7/16, 5:49 AM, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to bring back this long dead topic, but wanted to rehash what was
>> discussed here.
>>
>> We're now 3 months later, and it seems that Concerted has not improved.
>> is
>> it time to call it?
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:58 PM Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Everyone should read the subject and reset.
>>>
>>> If IPMC members having nothing better to offer than "give up" then
>>> please
>>> refrain from offering your advice to mentors asking for constructive
>>> help.
>>>
>>> That is not to say projects should linger, but unless mentors advise it
>>> we
>>> should not be interfering.
>>>
>>> Ross
>>>
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Julian Hyde<ma...@apache.org>
>>> Sent: ?1/?9/?2016 12:37 PM
>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
>>>
>>> (Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.)
>>>
>>> Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity
>>> requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the
>>> project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our
>>> concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it
>>> into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this
>>> project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways
>>> to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped,
>>> then don't help.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth
>>> <cn...@hortonworks.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of
>>> activity. I
>>>>> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
>>>>> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that
>>> we
>>>>> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
>>>>> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project
>>> show
>>>>> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other
>>> podlings
>>>>> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this
>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
>>>>> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to
>>> re-establish
>>>>> steady activity this month?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
>>>> incubation?
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and
>>> some
>>>> years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new
>>> requirements
>>>> and
>>>> interests by patch submittors or committers.
>>>>
>>>> By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in
>>> weeks or
>>>> months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded.
>>> Do we
>>>> really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
>>>> contrary, it
>>>> is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
>>>> interesting
>>>> territory, not an n commits/mo target.
>>>>
>>>> That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early,
>>> release
>>>> often,
>>>> demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
>>>> members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
>>>> required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project
>>> that
>>>> cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year
>>> or
>>>> two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract
>>> a
>>>> three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be
>>> retired.
>>>
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>>>
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>.
Hello John,
Thank you for bringing up the topic again. As a Concerted mentor, I was
planning to do the same today.
Just to confirm your observations, you are correct that there has been no
further visible progress. The only activity on the mailing list is from
the mentors asking if anything is going on and reminding the community to
file their reports. Again, there is no report.
I'm not demanding any specific amount of activity, but complete lack of
any activity sure makes it look like the podling is not viable. I don't
think there is any remaining action that could be done by either the
mentors or the wider Incubator community to salvage it, but I'm certainly
open to suggestions if anyone disagrees.
--Chris Nauroth
On 4/7/16, 5:49 AM, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>Sorry to bring back this long dead topic, but wanted to rehash what was
>discussed here.
>
>We're now 3 months later, and it seems that Concerted has not improved.
>is
>it time to call it?
>
>John
>
>On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:58 PM Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>
>wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Everyone should read the subject and reset.
>>
>> If IPMC members having nothing better to offer than "give up" then
>>please
>> refrain from offering your advice to mentors asking for constructive
>>help.
>>
>> That is not to say projects should linger, but unless mentors advise it
>>we
>> should not be interfering.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> ________________________________
>> From: Julian Hyde<ma...@apache.org>
>> Sent: ?1/?9/?2016 12:37 PM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
>>
>> (Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.)
>>
>> Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity
>> requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the
>> project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our
>> concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it
>> into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this
>> project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways
>> to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped,
>> then don't help.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth
>><cn...@hortonworks.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of
>> activity. I
>> >> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
>> >> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that
>>we
>> >> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
>> >> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project
>>show
>> >> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other
>> podlings
>> >> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this
>>time.
>> >>
>> >> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
>> >> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
>> >>
>> >> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to
>> re-establish
>> >> steady activity this month?
>> >
>> >
>> > What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
>> > incubation?
>> >
>> > There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and
>> some
>> > years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new
>>requirements
>> > and
>> > interests by patch submittors or committers.
>> >
>> > By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in
>>weeks or
>> > months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded.
>>Do we
>> > really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
>> > contrary, it
>> > is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
>> > interesting
>> > territory, not an n commits/mo target.
>> >
>> > That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early,
>>release
>> > often,
>> > demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
>> > members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
>> > required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project
>> that
>> > cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year
>>or
>> > two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract
>>a
>> > three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be
>> retired.
>>
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Sorry to bring back this long dead topic, but wanted to rehash what was
discussed here.
We're now 3 months later, and it seems that Concerted has not improved. is
it time to call it?
John
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:58 PM Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Everyone should read the subject and reset.
>
> If IPMC members having nothing better to offer than "give up" then please
> refrain from offering your advice to mentors asking for constructive help.
>
> That is not to say projects should linger, but unless mentors advise it we
> should not be interfering.
>
> Ross
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Julian Hyde<ma...@apache.org>
> Sent: 1/9/2016 12:37 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
>
> (Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.)
>
> Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity
> requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the
> project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our
> concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it
> into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this
> project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways
> to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped,
> then don't help.
>
> Julian
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of
> activity. I
> >> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
> >> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
> >> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
> >> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
> >> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other
> podlings
> >> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
> >>
> >> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
> >> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
> >>
> >> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to
> re-establish
> >> steady activity this month?
> >
> >
> > What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
> > incubation?
> >
> > There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and
> some
> > years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new requirements
> > and
> > interests by patch submittors or committers.
> >
> > By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in weeks or
> > months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded. Do we
> > really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
> > contrary, it
> > is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
> > interesting
> > territory, not an n commits/mo target.
> >
> > That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, release
> > often,
> > demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
> > members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
> > required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project
> that
> > cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year or
> > two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract a
> > three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be
> retired.
>
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RE: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
+1
Everyone should read the subject and reset.
If IPMC members having nothing better to offer than "give up" then please refrain from offering your advice to mentors asking for constructive help.
That is not to say projects should linger, but unless mentors advise it we should not be interfering.
Ross
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________________________________
From: Julian Hyde<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 1/9/2016 12:37 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
(Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.)
Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity
requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the
project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our
concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it
into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this
project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways
to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped,
then don't help.
Julian
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of activity. I
>> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
>> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
>> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
>> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
>> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other podlings
>> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
>>
>> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
>> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
>>
>> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to re-establish
>> steady activity this month?
>
>
> What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
> incubation?
>
> There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and some
> years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new requirements
> and
> interests by patch submittors or committers.
>
> By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in weeks or
> months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded. Do we
> really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
> contrary, it
> is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
> interesting
> territory, not an n commits/mo target.
>
> That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, release
> often,
> demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
> members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
> required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project that
> cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year or
> two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract a
> three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be retired.
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
(Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.)
Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity
requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the
project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our
concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it
into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this
project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways
to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped,
then don't help.
Julian
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of activity. I
>> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
>> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
>> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
>> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
>> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other podlings
>> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
>>
>> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
>> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
>>
>> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to re-establish
>> steady activity this month?
>
>
> What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
> incubation?
>
> There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and some
> years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new requirements
> and
> interests by patch submittors or committers.
>
> By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in weeks or
> months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded. Do we
> really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
> contrary, it
> is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
> interesting
> territory, not an n commits/mo target.
>
> That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, release
> often,
> demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
> members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
> required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project that
> cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year or
> two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract a
> three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be retired.
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
>
> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of activity. I
> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other podlings
> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
>
> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
>
> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to re-establish
> steady activity this month?
What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
incubation?
There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and some
years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new requirements
and
interests by patch submittors or committers.
By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in weeks or
months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded. Do we
really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
contrary, it
is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
interesting
territory, not an n commits/mo target.
That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, release
often,
demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project that
cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year or
two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract a
three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be retired.
Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>
wrote:
>
> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of activity. I
> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other podlings
> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
>
> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
>
> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to re-establish
> steady activity this month?
What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
incubation?
There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and some
years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new requirements
and
interests by patch submittors or committers.
By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in weeks or
months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded. Do we
really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the
contrary, it
is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
interesting
territory, not an n commits/mo target.
That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, release
often,
demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project that
cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year or
two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract a
three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be retired.
Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>.
Apologies for the prior spam. That was a mishandled list admin email.
As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of activity. I
think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other podlings
did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to re-establish
steady activity this month? Beyond that, I don't think there is anything
more the IPMC can do to help right now. Mentors are already watching over
the state of the project and responding quickly to requests for advice. I
don't think this is a case where we need to add more mentors.
I agree with the sentiment that pushing a project away only to bring it
back later could be counter-productive. However, I would interpret a
long-term (multi-month) dormant trend as an indicator that the podling
isn't viable.
--Chris Nauroth
On 1/8/16, 8:20 PM, "Chris Nauroth" <cn...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>Accept
>
>--Chris Nauroth
>
>From: Ross Gardler
><Ro...@microsoft.com>>
>Date: Friday, January 8, 2016 at 7:54 PM
>To: "general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>"
><ge...@incubator.apache.org>>
>Cc:
>"dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@concerted.incubator.apache.
>org>"
><dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@concerted.incubator.apache.
>org>>, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>>
>Subject: RE: Concerted may be in need of help
>
>+1
>
>Sent from my Windows Phone
>________________________________
>From: Roman Shaposhnik<ma...@shaposhnik.org>
>Sent: ?1/?8/?2016 7:35 PM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
>Cc:
>dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@concerted.incubator.apache.o
>rg>; Atri Sharma<ma...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
>
>On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning
><te...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Atri,
>>
>> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This
>>is
>> understandable as a part-time activity.
>>
>> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community
>>outside
>> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
>
>But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
>
>I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
>out AND then get them back.
>
>I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
>where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
>the Incubator.
>
>Thanks,
>Roman.
>
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>>
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>.
Apologies for the prior spam. That was a mishandled list admin email.
As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of activity. I
think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly
reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other podlings
did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself.
Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to re-establish
steady activity this month? Beyond that, I don't think there is anything
more the IPMC can do to help right now. Mentors are already watching over
the state of the project and responding quickly to requests for advice. I
don't think this is a case where we need to add more mentors.
I agree with the sentiment that pushing a project away only to bring it
back later could be counter-productive. However, I would interpret a
long-term (multi-month) dormant trend as an indicator that the podling
isn't viable.
--Chris Nauroth
On 1/8/16, 8:20 PM, "Chris Nauroth" <cn...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>Accept
>
>--Chris Nauroth
>
>From: Ross Gardler
><Ro...@microsoft.com>>
>Date: Friday, January 8, 2016 at 7:54 PM
>To: "general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>"
><ge...@incubator.apache.org>>
>Cc:
>"dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@concerted.incubator.apache.
>org>"
><dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@concerted.incubator.apache.
>org>>, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>>
>Subject: RE: Concerted may be in need of help
>
>+1
>
>Sent from my Windows Phone
>________________________________
>From: Roman Shaposhnik<ma...@shaposhnik.org>
>Sent: ?1/?8/?2016 7:35 PM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
>Cc:
>dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@concerted.incubator.apache.o
>rg>; Atri Sharma<ma...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
>
>On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning
><te...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Atri,
>>
>> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This
>>is
>> understandable as a part-time activity.
>>
>> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community
>>outside
>> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
>
>But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
>
>I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
>out AND then get them back.
>
>I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
>where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
>the Incubator.
>
>Thanks,
>Roman.
>
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>.
Accept
--Chris Nauroth
From: Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>>
Date: Friday, January 8, 2016 at 7:54 PM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>>
Cc: "dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<ma...@concerted.incubator.apache.org>" <de...@concerted.incubator.apache.org>>, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Concerted may be in need of help
+1
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Roman Shaposhnik<ma...@shaposhnik.org>
Sent: ?1/?8/?2016 7:35 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<ma...@concerted.incubator.apache.org>; Atri Sharma<ma...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Atri,
>
> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This is
> understandable as a part-time activity.
>
> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community outside
> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
out AND then get them back.
I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
the Incubator.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Chris Nauroth <cn...@hortonworks.com>.
Accept
--Chris Nauroth
From: Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>>
Date: Friday, January 8, 2016 at 7:54 PM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>>
Cc: "dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<ma...@concerted.incubator.apache.org>" <de...@concerted.incubator.apache.org>>, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Concerted may be in need of help
+1
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Roman Shaposhnik<ma...@shaposhnik.org>
Sent: ?1/?8/?2016 7:35 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<ma...@concerted.incubator.apache.org>; Atri Sharma<ma...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Atri,
>
> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This is
> understandable as a part-time activity.
>
> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community outside
> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
out AND then get them back.
I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
the Incubator.
Thanks,
Roman.
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RE: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
+1
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Roman Shaposhnik<ma...@shaposhnik.org>
Sent: 1/8/2016 7:35 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<ma...@concerted.incubator.apache.org>; Atri Sharma<ma...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Atri,
>
> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This is
> understandable as a part-time activity.
>
> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community outside
> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
out AND then get them back.
I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
the Incubator.
Thanks,
Roman.
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RE: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
+1
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Roman Shaposhnik<ma...@shaposhnik.org>
Sent: 1/8/2016 7:35 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<ma...@concerted.incubator.apache.org>; Atri Sharma<ma...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Atri,
>
> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This is
> understandable as a part-time activity.
>
> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community outside
> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
out AND then get them back.
I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
the Incubator.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Atri,
>
> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This is
> understandable as a part-time activity.
>
> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community outside
> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
out AND then get them back.
I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
the Incubator.
Thanks,
Roman.
Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Atri,
>
> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This is
> understandable as a part-time activity.
>
> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community outside
> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
out AND then get them back.
I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
the Incubator.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Atri,
It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This is
understandable as a part-time activity.
Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community outside
Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
That would allow you considerable freedom from restrictions that an
incubating project cannot have. That freedom might make it easier to bring
people in. A number of Apache projects have started outside, built
momentum and then become Apache (see Storm or even, in some sense, httpd as
examples). Very few have started inside and built from zero (Apache Drill
is the only one I know of personally).
What do you think?
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the delay in response.
>
> The current issue is that existing PPMC has become dormant mostly and
> myself and one more person are the ones active right now.
>
> We have voted in a new committer last month.
>
> The current development looks at cleaning up the current code which has
> been mostly done. A current focus is on building a community around the
> current code base. This involves engaging with potential contributors and
> looking at possibilities of contribution.
>
> Apologies for the delay. Since Concerted is not affiliated directly with
> any organization, it is taking a bit of time to bootstrap this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > The Concerted podling seems to have taken a pretty sharp drop in
> > participation since joining the incubator. They started their first
> month
> > very strong, high participation. They are currently in a situation where
> > no one has committed since November (they just started in October of last
> > year). Mailing list activity has dropped to practically nothing, the
> > majority of the activity last month was around the report, and this month
> > emails about the report are barely noticed by the project.
> >
> > As you can see in the current report, they have not provided any report
> as
> > of now. This is after poking from both myself (as shepherd) and Julian
> (as
> > mentor). I'm brining all of this to the general attention as this is the
> > first non-monthly report the podling would have filed, and its not
> > available.
> >
> > Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and the
> > wider incubator community).
> >
> > John
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Atri
> *l'apprenant*
>
Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Atri,
It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted. This is
understandable as a part-time activity.
Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community outside
Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
That would allow you considerable freedom from restrictions that an
incubating project cannot have. That freedom might make it easier to bring
people in. A number of Apache projects have started outside, built
momentum and then become Apache (see Storm or even, in some sense, httpd as
examples). Very few have started inside and built from zero (Apache Drill
is the only one I know of personally).
What do you think?
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the delay in response.
>
> The current issue is that existing PPMC has become dormant mostly and
> myself and one more person are the ones active right now.
>
> We have voted in a new committer last month.
>
> The current development looks at cleaning up the current code which has
> been mostly done. A current focus is on building a community around the
> current code base. This involves engaging with potential contributors and
> looking at possibilities of contribution.
>
> Apologies for the delay. Since Concerted is not affiliated directly with
> any organization, it is taking a bit of time to bootstrap this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > The Concerted podling seems to have taken a pretty sharp drop in
> > participation since joining the incubator. They started their first
> month
> > very strong, high participation. They are currently in a situation where
> > no one has committed since November (they just started in October of last
> > year). Mailing list activity has dropped to practically nothing, the
> > majority of the activity last month was around the report, and this month
> > emails about the report are barely noticed by the project.
> >
> > As you can see in the current report, they have not provided any report
> as
> > of now. This is after poking from both myself (as shepherd) and Julian
> (as
> > mentor). I'm brining all of this to the general attention as this is the
> > first non-monthly report the podling would have filed, and its not
> > available.
> >
> > Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and the
> > wider incubator community).
> >
> > John
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Atri
> *l'apprenant*
>
Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Sorry for the delay in response.
The current issue is that existing PPMC has become dormant mostly and
myself and one more person are the ones active right now.
We have voted in a new committer last month.
The current development looks at cleaning up the current code which has
been mostly done. A current focus is on building a community around the
current code base. This involves engaging with potential contributors and
looking at possibilities of contribution.
Apologies for the delay. Since Concerted is not affiliated directly with
any organization, it is taking a bit of time to bootstrap this.
Regards,
Atri
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> All,
>
> The Concerted podling seems to have taken a pretty sharp drop in
> participation since joining the incubator. They started their first month
> very strong, high participation. They are currently in a situation where
> no one has committed since November (they just started in October of last
> year). Mailing list activity has dropped to practically nothing, the
> majority of the activity last month was around the report, and this month
> emails about the report are barely noticed by the project.
>
> As you can see in the current report, they have not provided any report as
> of now. This is after poking from both myself (as shepherd) and Julian (as
> mentor). I'm brining all of this to the general attention as this is the
> first non-monthly report the podling would have filed, and its not
> available.
>
> Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and the
> wider incubator community).
>
> John
>
--
Regards,
Atri
*l'apprenant*
Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Sorry for the delay in response.
The current issue is that existing PPMC has become dormant mostly and
myself and one more person are the ones active right now.
We have voted in a new committer last month.
The current development looks at cleaning up the current code which has
been mostly done. A current focus is on building a community around the
current code base. This involves engaging with potential contributors and
looking at possibilities of contribution.
Apologies for the delay. Since Concerted is not affiliated directly with
any organization, it is taking a bit of time to bootstrap this.
Regards,
Atri
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> All,
>
> The Concerted podling seems to have taken a pretty sharp drop in
> participation since joining the incubator. They started their first month
> very strong, high participation. They are currently in a situation where
> no one has committed since November (they just started in October of last
> year). Mailing list activity has dropped to practically nothing, the
> majority of the activity last month was around the report, and this month
> emails about the report are barely noticed by the project.
>
> As you can see in the current report, they have not provided any report as
> of now. This is after poking from both myself (as shepherd) and Julian (as
> mentor). I'm brining all of this to the general attention as this is the
> first non-monthly report the podling would have filed, and its not
> available.
>
> Please, do share your thoughts on the situation (both Concerted and the
> wider incubator community).
>
> John
>
--
Regards,
Atri
*l'apprenant*