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Posted to dev@ignite.apache.org by Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com> on 2014/11/14 18:53:00 UTC
Jira accounts
Hi,
I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira account:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the main
committers.
Thanks,
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
On 14.11.2014 20:34, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> Understood.
>
> To be honest, I want people to have Jira accounts to make it possible to
> assign a task to someone other than me.
As Henry already said, everyone should already have a Jira account.
Credentials are the same as for repository access (i.e., it uses LDAP).
> Now that we are on the subject, the process I had in mind is to create Jira
> tickets, discuss them with folks beforehand, and assign them to interested
> parties. Are there any suggestions to how this should be handled
> differently within Apache?
It's up to you guys to figure out what works best. Only two things are
really important:
* Discussions (about procedure, features, etc.) must happen on this
mailing list. That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to talk about
things offline, of course; but the mailing list is the official
archive of community decisions.
* Community is more important than code, and consensus is more
important than "being right". And when I say "community," that
includes users and other contributors, not just committers or PMC.
Within these constraints, everything is pretty much open. Some projects
write down detailed bylaws; some depend just on tradition and community
contiguity to get the same effect. Some are very open to new
contributions, others are very restrictive in that respect.
I have a pretty strong opinion of how things should work, but it's not
my place to tell you guys how to run the project. I'll just speak up
loudly if I see something that looks like it's going in the wrong
direction. :)
Back to your question about assigning to interested parties: that's the
right kind of approach (as opposed to, e.g., just assigning suff without
asking about "interest"). Ideally, said interested parties would just
assign the tasks to themselves; a functioning community shouldn't need
that kind of centralized management.
-- Brane
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 14.11.2014 18:53, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
>> account:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
>>>
>>> I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the main
>>> committers.
>> So .... you are acting as if you are the lead of this project and have
>> the power to assign tasks to other contributors.
>>
>> Before this gets out of hand, let me begin by saying that this is not
>> how things work around here. Every committer is a volunteer. Development
>> is driven by consensus in the community, not by dictate. It doesn't
>> matter if that's how you do things at your day job; this is not your day
>> job (even if you're employed specifically to work on Apache Ignite).
>>
>> Clearly, any community that wants to get things done has to have some
>> kind of process and guidelines (or bylaws, if you like). However, the
>> way to set this up is to discuss it first here, on the dev list, how you
>> want to operate. Then document that.
>>
>> It /is/ valid to decide that someone should take responsibility for
>> handling Jira issues and defining tasks. But again, you don't pull them
>> from thin air, and you don't "assign" them to anyone/./ One of the most
>> important criteria for graduation from the Incubator is that you
>> demonstrate that you can work together and reach consensus as a
>> community of individual volunteers. This pretty much precludes what
>> you've just started doing.
>>
>> -- Brane
>>
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>.
Agree.
At this point, as I mentioned before, we are migrating the code over to
Apache and there are some tasks that can only be done by committers from
GridGain, as they have exposure to both code bases.
However, once the migration is done (hopefully by next Friday), we will be
able to open the process up to other committers as well.
Right now, I am in the process of creating ticket place holders for the
tasks that I believe should be in the Ignite 1.0 release. Then I will add
more design details to those tickets, so that the committers and
contributors will be able to throw in their own ideas and run with them on
their own.
If this works for everyone, I will proceed in this direction.
D.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> So, technically all committers should have ASF JIRA account immediately.
>
> As far as JIRA assignment, one way we could do it is by with
> components and let individual interested start monitoring JIRA
> creation and assigning it to themselves.
>
> For non committers, they can ask to be added as contributors so they
> could own the issues and build karma.
>
> - Henry
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> <ds...@gridgain.com> wrote:
> > Understood.
> >
> > To be honest, I want people to have Jira accounts to make it possible to
> > assign a task to someone other than me.
> >
> > Now that we are on the subject, the process I had in mind is to create
> Jira
> > tickets, discuss them with folks beforehand, and assign them to
> interested
> > parties. Are there any suggestions to how this should be handled
> > differently within Apache?
> >
> > D.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 14.11.2014 18:53, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
> >> account:
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
> >> >
> >> > I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the
> main
> >> > committers.
> >>
> >> So .... you are acting as if you are the lead of this project and have
> >> the power to assign tasks to other contributors.
> >>
> >> Before this gets out of hand, let me begin by saying that this is not
> >> how things work around here. Every committer is a volunteer. Development
> >> is driven by consensus in the community, not by dictate. It doesn't
> >> matter if that's how you do things at your day job; this is not your day
> >> job (even if you're employed specifically to work on Apache Ignite).
> >>
> >> Clearly, any community that wants to get things done has to have some
> >> kind of process and guidelines (or bylaws, if you like). However, the
> >> way to set this up is to discuss it first here, on the dev list, how you
> >> want to operate. Then document that.
> >>
> >> It /is/ valid to decide that someone should take responsibility for
> >> handling Jira issues and defining tasks. But again, you don't pull them
> >> from thin air, and you don't "assign" them to anyone/./ One of the most
> >> important criteria for graduation from the Incubator is that you
> >> demonstrate that you can work together and reach consensus as a
> >> community of individual volunteers. This pretty much precludes what
> >> you've just started doing.
> >>
> >> -- Brane
> >>
>
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
So, technically all committers should have ASF JIRA account immediately.
As far as JIRA assignment, one way we could do it is by with
components and let individual interested start monitoring JIRA
creation and assigning it to themselves.
For non committers, they can ask to be added as contributors so they
could own the issues and build karma.
- Henry
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
<ds...@gridgain.com> wrote:
> Understood.
>
> To be honest, I want people to have Jira accounts to make it possible to
> assign a task to someone other than me.
>
> Now that we are on the subject, the process I had in mind is to create Jira
> tickets, discuss them with folks beforehand, and assign them to interested
> parties. Are there any suggestions to how this should be handled
> differently within Apache?
>
> D.
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 14.11.2014 18:53, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
>> account:
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
>> >
>> > I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the main
>> > committers.
>>
>> So .... you are acting as if you are the lead of this project and have
>> the power to assign tasks to other contributors.
>>
>> Before this gets out of hand, let me begin by saying that this is not
>> how things work around here. Every committer is a volunteer. Development
>> is driven by consensus in the community, not by dictate. It doesn't
>> matter if that's how you do things at your day job; this is not your day
>> job (even if you're employed specifically to work on Apache Ignite).
>>
>> Clearly, any community that wants to get things done has to have some
>> kind of process and guidelines (or bylaws, if you like). However, the
>> way to set this up is to discuss it first here, on the dev list, how you
>> want to operate. Then document that.
>>
>> It /is/ valid to decide that someone should take responsibility for
>> handling Jira issues and defining tasks. But again, you don't pull them
>> from thin air, and you don't "assign" them to anyone/./ One of the most
>> important criteria for graduation from the Incubator is that you
>> demonstrate that you can work together and reach consensus as a
>> community of individual volunteers. This pretty much precludes what
>> you've just started doing.
>>
>> -- Brane
>>
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>.
Understood.
To be honest, I want people to have Jira accounts to make it possible to
assign a task to someone other than me.
Now that we are on the subject, the process I had in mind is to create Jira
tickets, discuss them with folks beforehand, and assign them to interested
parties. Are there any suggestions to how this should be handled
differently within Apache?
D.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 14.11.2014 18:53, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
> account:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
> >
> > I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the main
> > committers.
>
> So .... you are acting as if you are the lead of this project and have
> the power to assign tasks to other contributors.
>
> Before this gets out of hand, let me begin by saying that this is not
> how things work around here. Every committer is a volunteer. Development
> is driven by consensus in the community, not by dictate. It doesn't
> matter if that's how you do things at your day job; this is not your day
> job (even if you're employed specifically to work on Apache Ignite).
>
> Clearly, any community that wants to get things done has to have some
> kind of process and guidelines (or bylaws, if you like). However, the
> way to set this up is to discuss it first here, on the dev list, how you
> want to operate. Then document that.
>
> It /is/ valid to decide that someone should take responsibility for
> handling Jira issues and defining tasks. But again, you don't pull them
> from thin air, and you don't "assign" them to anyone/./ One of the most
> important criteria for graduation from the Incubator is that you
> demonstrate that you can work together and reach consensus as a
> community of individual volunteers. This pretty much precludes what
> you've just started doing.
>
> -- Brane
>
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
On 14.11.2014 18:53, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira account:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
>
> I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the main
> committers.
So .... you are acting as if you are the lead of this project and have
the power to assign tasks to other contributors.
Before this gets out of hand, let me begin by saying that this is not
how things work around here. Every committer is a volunteer. Development
is driven by consensus in the community, not by dictate. It doesn't
matter if that's how you do things at your day job; this is not your day
job (even if you're employed specifically to work on Apache Ignite).
Clearly, any community that wants to get things done has to have some
kind of process and guidelines (or bylaws, if you like). However, the
way to set this up is to discuss it first here, on the dev list, how you
want to operate. Then document that.
It /is/ valid to decide that someone should take responsibility for
handling Jira issues and defining tasks. But again, you don't pull them
from thin air, and you don't "assign" them to anyone/./ One of the most
important criteria for graduation from the Incubator is that you
demonstrate that you can work together and reach consensus as a
community of individual volunteers. This pretty much precludes what
you've just started doing.
-- Brane
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Done.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 04:55PM, Yakov Zhdanov wrote:
> Guys, I have registered JIRA account - yzhdanov - but I cannot assign any
> issue to myself. Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Yakov Zhdanov, Director R&D
> *GridGain Systems*
> www.gridgain.com
>
> 2014-11-15 4:53 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>:
>
> > I agree, I will do that.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, I'd recommend to start tracking the code import in JIRA as well.
> > > That's
> > > the very first step IMO
> > >
> > > Cos
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 09:53AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
> > > account:
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
> > > >
> > > > I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the
> > main
> > > > committers.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > >
> >
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Done. Also, I've added your as the project admin (same goes to the rest of the
guys, who have created JIRA accounts so far: just 5 of you, BTW).
Cos
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 05:14PM, Semen Boikov wrote:
> I also want to be able to assign issues to myself, my JIRA account is
> 'sboikov'.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Yakov Zhdanov <yz...@gridgain.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Guys, I have registered JIRA account - yzhdanov - but I cannot assign any
> > issue to myself. Can anyone help?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yakov Zhdanov, Director R&D
> > *GridGain Systems*
> > www.gridgain.com
> >
> > 2014-11-15 4:53 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>:
> >
> > > I agree, I will do that.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > BTW, I'd recommend to start tracking the code import in JIRA as well.
> > > > That's
> > > > the very first step IMO
> > > >
> > > > Cos
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 09:53AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
> > > > account:
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
> > > > >
> > > > > I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the
> > > main
> > > > > committers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > >
> >
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
I agree! Dmitriy, could you please go ahead and assign the guys to the
"Administrators" role.
Thanks
Cos
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 03:24PM, Branko Čibej wrote:
> I very strongly suggest that all Ignite committers be given project
> admin rights in Jira. It makes no sense to keep a bureaucratic hurdle
> like that in place.
>
> -- Brane
>
>
> On 19.11.2014 15:14, Semen Boikov wrote:
> > I also want to be able to assign issues to myself, my JIRA account is
> > 'sboikov'.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Yakov Zhdanov <yz...@gridgain.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Guys, I have registered JIRA account - yzhdanov - but I cannot assign any
> >> issue to myself. Can anyone help?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Yakov Zhdanov, Director R&D
> >> *GridGain Systems*
> >> www.gridgain.com
> >>
> >> 2014-11-15 4:53 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>:
> >>
> >>> I agree, I will do that.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> BTW, I'd recommend to start tracking the code import in JIRA as well.
> >>>> That's
> >>>> the very first step IMO
> >>>>
> >>>> Cos
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 09:53AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
> >>>> account:
> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the
> >>> main
> >>>>> committers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
>
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
I very strongly suggest that all Ignite committers be given project
admin rights in Jira. It makes no sense to keep a bureaucratic hurdle
like that in place.
-- Brane
On 19.11.2014 15:14, Semen Boikov wrote:
> I also want to be able to assign issues to myself, my JIRA account is
> 'sboikov'.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Yakov Zhdanov <yz...@gridgain.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Guys, I have registered JIRA account - yzhdanov - but I cannot assign any
>> issue to myself. Can anyone help?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Yakov Zhdanov, Director R&D
>> *GridGain Systems*
>> www.gridgain.com
>>
>> 2014-11-15 4:53 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>:
>>
>>> I agree, I will do that.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW, I'd recommend to start tracking the code import in JIRA as well.
>>>> That's
>>>> the very first step IMO
>>>>
>>>> Cos
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 09:53AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
>>>> account:
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
>>>>>
>>>>> I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the
>>> main
>>>>> committers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Semen Boikov <sb...@gridgain.com>.
I also want to be able to assign issues to myself, my JIRA account is
'sboikov'.
Thanks!
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Yakov Zhdanov <yz...@gridgain.com>
wrote:
> Guys, I have registered JIRA account - yzhdanov - but I cannot assign any
> issue to myself. Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Yakov Zhdanov, Director R&D
> *GridGain Systems*
> www.gridgain.com
>
> 2014-11-15 4:53 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>:
>
> > I agree, I will do that.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, I'd recommend to start tracking the code import in JIRA as well.
> > > That's
> > > the very first step IMO
> > >
> > > Cos
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 09:53AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
> > > account:
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
> > > >
> > > > I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the
> > main
> > > > committers.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > >
> >
>
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Yakov Zhdanov <yz...@gridgain.com>.
Guys, I have registered JIRA account - yzhdanov - but I cannot assign any
issue to myself. Can anyone help?
Thanks!
--
Yakov Zhdanov, Director R&D
*GridGain Systems*
www.gridgain.com
2014-11-15 4:53 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>:
> I agree, I will do that.
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > BTW, I'd recommend to start tracking the code import in JIRA as well.
> > That's
> > the very first step IMO
> >
> > Cos
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 09:53AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
> > account:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
> > >
> > > I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the
> main
> > > committers.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> >
>
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>.
I agree, I will do that.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
> BTW, I'd recommend to start tracking the code import in JIRA as well.
> That's
> the very first step IMO
>
> Cos
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 09:53AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira
> account:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
> >
> > I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the main
> > committers.
> >
> > Thanks,
>
Re: Jira accounts
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
BTW, I'd recommend to start tracking the code import in JIRA as well. That's
the very first step IMO
Cos
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 09:53AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to ask everyone on the committer list to create a Jira account:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE
>
> I am beginning to file tickets and will be assigning them within the main
> committers.
>
> Thanks,