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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Ritesh Trivedi <ri...@gmail.com> on 2008/09/19 21:39:23 UTC
Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server (Tomcat)?
Hi,
Is there a plan to officially be able to embed ofbiz inside an application
server such as Tomcat? I know there is a how to's about this already on this
- but I am afraid it doesnt work reliably when ofbiz is used with other
frameworks within the same container due to classloader issues. I am
experiencing them now especially when using caching in Ofbiz.
Thanks
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Re: Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server
(Tomcat)?
Posted by Ritesh Trivedi <ri...@gmail.com>.
Great to know these are possible - Are there any which are available out of
these? will appreciate pointers - esp. for the hot deploy item.
David E Jones wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Ritesh Trivedi sent the following on 9/19/2008 12:57 PM:
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> Well there are several
>>>
>>> - Be able to "use" Ofbiz with other frameworks and applications
>>> within the
>>> container - possibly within the same webapp
>>> - Be able to get the latest improvements/enhancements from the
>>> containers
>>> themselves
>>> - Be able to loadbalance based on proven container level
>>> architecture (By
>>> this I dont mean one cannot cluster ofbiz servers)
>>>
>
> All of these are possible with OFBiz using the embedded containers. If
> you want to use Tomcat there is simply no benefit to having OFBiz in
> Tomcat instead of Tomcat in OFBiz.
>
> -David
>
>
>
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Re: Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server (Tomcat)?
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
>
> Ritesh Trivedi sent the following on 9/19/2008 12:57 PM:
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> Well there are several
>>
>> - Be able to "use" Ofbiz with other frameworks and applications
>> within the
>> container - possibly within the same webapp
>> - Be able to get the latest improvements/enhancements from the
>> containers
>> themselves
>> - Be able to loadbalance based on proven container level
>> architecture (By
>> this I dont mean one cannot cluster ofbiz servers)
>>
All of these are possible with OFBiz using the embedded containers. If
you want to use Tomcat there is simply no benefit to having OFBiz in
Tomcat instead of Tomcat in OFBiz.
-David
Re: Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server (Tomcat)?
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
I guess your the candidate to make this work.
:)
I believe once you have worked this out you will have a better
understanding.
Ritesh Trivedi sent the following on 9/19/2008 12:57 PM:
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Well there are several
>
> - Be able to "use" Ofbiz with other frameworks and applications within the
> container - possibly within the same webapp
> - Be able to get the latest improvements/enhancements from the containers
> themselves
> - Be able to loadbalance based on proven container level architecture (By
> this I dont mean one cannot cluster ofbiz servers)
>
> - Have never been able to get hot deploy to work reliably on both linux and
> windows, not only for the hot-deploy directory based components but also for
> other application/framework components during development causing
> considerable time waste in restarting ofbiz.
> etc..
>
>
> David E Jones wrote:
>>
>> Welcome to the wonderful world of J2EE app servers!
>>
>> These sorts of problems are common and painful, and one of the reasons
>> why we work so hard to have and maintain embedded app server
>> infrastructure inside of OFBiz so that it runs easily OOTB.
>>
>> The biggest question for external app servers is why do you want to
>> run OFBiz that way? The reason that's a big question is that usually
>> it's not a good idea...
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Ritesh Trivedi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is there a plan to officially be able to embed ofbiz inside an
>>> application
>>> server such as Tomcat? I know there is a how to's about this already
>>> on this
>>> - but I am afraid it doesnt work reliably when ofbiz is used with
>>> other
>>> frameworks within the same container due to classloader issues. I am
>>> experiencing them now especially when using caching in Ofbiz.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-officially-embedding-Ofbiz-inside-an-App-Server-%28Tomcat%29--tp19578380p19578380.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server (Tomcat)?
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
Ritesh Trivedi wrote:
> not addition/removal of components - just redeployment of the existing
> compnent jars
Do you mean modifying some library file, or jar, then doing 'something'
to have ofbiz see the change?
The answer is to restart. There is no classpath reloading support in ofbiz.
If you are talking about other files, then the answer is that it
depends. entitymodel/service definitions require a restart. Property
files can be cleared thru webtools.
Re: Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server
(Tomcat)?
Posted by Ritesh Trivedi <ri...@gmail.com>.
not addition/removal of components - just redeployment of the existing
compnent jars
Adam Heath-2 wrote:
>
> Ritesh Trivedi wrote:
>> - Have never been able to get hot deploy to work reliably on both linux
>> and
>> windows, not only for the hot-deploy directory based components but also
>> for
>> other application/framework components during development causing
>> considerable time waste in restarting ofbiz.
>> etc..
>
> hot-deploy is not for runtime redeployment/addition of components. You
> are meant to restart ofbiz when you add/remove components from that
> directory. At least that's what I have always done.
>
>
>
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Re: Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server (Tomcat)?
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
Ritesh Trivedi wrote:
> - Have never been able to get hot deploy to work reliably on both linux and
> windows, not only for the hot-deploy directory based components but also for
> other application/framework components during development causing
> considerable time waste in restarting ofbiz.
> etc..
hot-deploy is not for runtime redeployment/addition of components. You
are meant to restart ofbiz when you add/remove components from that
directory. At least that's what I have always done.
Re: Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server
(Tomcat)?
Posted by Ritesh Trivedi <ri...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the reply.
Well there are several
- Be able to "use" Ofbiz with other frameworks and applications within the
container - possibly within the same webapp
- Be able to get the latest improvements/enhancements from the containers
themselves
- Be able to loadbalance based on proven container level architecture (By
this I dont mean one cannot cluster ofbiz servers)
- Have never been able to get hot deploy to work reliably on both linux and
windows, not only for the hot-deploy directory based components but also for
other application/framework components during development causing
considerable time waste in restarting ofbiz.
etc..
David E Jones wrote:
>
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of J2EE app servers!
>
> These sorts of problems are common and painful, and one of the reasons
> why we work so hard to have and maintain embedded app server
> infrastructure inside of OFBiz so that it runs easily OOTB.
>
> The biggest question for external app servers is why do you want to
> run OFBiz that way? The reason that's a big question is that usually
> it's not a good idea...
>
> -David
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Ritesh Trivedi wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there a plan to officially be able to embed ofbiz inside an
>> application
>> server such as Tomcat? I know there is a how to's about this already
>> on this
>> - but I am afraid it doesnt work reliably when ofbiz is used with
>> other
>> frameworks within the same container due to classloader issues. I am
>> experiencing them now especially when using caching in Ofbiz.
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-officially-embedding-Ofbiz-inside-an-App-Server-%28Tomcat%29--tp19578380p19578380.html
>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Plans for officially embedding Ofbiz inside an App Server (Tomcat)?
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Welcome to the wonderful world of J2EE app servers!
These sorts of problems are common and painful, and one of the reasons
why we work so hard to have and maintain embedded app server
infrastructure inside of OFBiz so that it runs easily OOTB.
The biggest question for external app servers is why do you want to
run OFBiz that way? The reason that's a big question is that usually
it's not a good idea...
-David
On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Ritesh Trivedi wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there a plan to officially be able to embed ofbiz inside an
> application
> server such as Tomcat? I know there is a how to's about this already
> on this
> - but I am afraid it doesnt work reliably when ofbiz is used with
> other
> frameworks within the same container due to classloader issues. I am
> experiencing them now especially when using caching in Ofbiz.
>
> Thanks
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Plans-for-officially-embedding-Ofbiz-inside-an-App-Server-%28Tomcat%29--tp19578380p19578380.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>