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Posted to dev@oodt.apache.org by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> on 2015/05/20 11:02:49 UTC
OODT book proposal
Hi guys,
I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris and
Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll knock
something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT book?
b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the book
(won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and I
wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
Tom
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Tom, great news and glad the connection worked ;)
I’d be happy to contribute here or there let me know.
Cheers,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 2:02 AM
To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Subject: OODT book proposal
>Hi guys,
>
>I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris and
>Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>
>I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll knock
>something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>
>a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
>book?
>b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the book
>(won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and I
>wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>
>
>Tom
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by "Ramirez, Paul M (398M)" <pa...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Sounds interesting. I'd be interested in helping in some way.
--Paul
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2015, at 6:03 AM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris and
> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>
> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll knock
> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>
> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT book?
> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the book
> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and I
> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>
>
> Tom
RE: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Thanks Val
I'm not sure how many people will contribute content-wise so I may ask for
help from people I may not.
My main concern currently is making sure I get the content right for the
pitch tomorrow and to make sure it's broad enough to make sense to non
scientists as part of what I'm trying to achieve is drag oodt from purely
science into more mainstream applications. So if anyone can think of
anything else that is missing now is the time to speak up! ;)
Tom
On 26 May 2015 17:06, "Mallder, Valerie" <Va...@jhuapl.edu> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I may be able to contribute some content to section 1.4.1 depending on how
> many examples you want to provide. I am using OODT Radix to build the two
> pipeline projects that I currently working on.
>
> Val
>
>
>
> Valerie A. Mallder
> New Horizons Deputy Mission System Engineer
> Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Barber [mailto:tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 5:53 AM
> > To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >
> > Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy
> from Manning
> > tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOF
> > tuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> > and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
> should be
> > able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something so I can
> spot them.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> > >
> > > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
> > > have to pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away
> > > from generic platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a
> > > look at all the main components and heavy on the real world how-to and
> > > use cases would be the way I'm tending to go along with a load of
> > > stuff on the value of metadata etc.
> > >
> > > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
> > > stuff which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world
> > > use cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
> > > from my day job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world
> > > so you'll have to leave that to me ;)
> > >
> > > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
> > > writing a book.
> > >
> > > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
> > > interested can add their 10 cents.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> > > <le...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
> > >> with one interesting outcome.
> > >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
> > >> likely
> > >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> > >> An example is the following
> > >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> > >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
> > >> consider.
> > >> Lewis
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> > >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> > >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen while the book is going
> > >> > on (and be pushed in many cases by the book!) :)
> > >> >
> > >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Chris
> > >> >
> > >> > ------------------------
> > >> > Chris Mattmann
> > >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> > >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> > >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > >> >
> > >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
> > >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a
> > >> > >lot of very nice features in the pipe, which will affect the
> > >> > >content of a book.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> > >> > > - Major OODT Components
> > >> > > - Extending OODT
> > >> > > - OODT in Operations
> > >> > >
> > >> > >-Michael
> > >> > >
> > >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> > >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Hi Tom,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
> > >> level
> > >> > >>of
> > >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear
> > >> > >>to
> > >> me
> > >> > >>your
> > >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
> > >> contribute.
> > >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on
> > >> > >> your efforts. :-)
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Thanks,
> > >> > >> Dana
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> > >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
> > >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
> > >> > >>dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> > >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> > >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> > >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> > >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> > >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Hi guys,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me,
> > >> > >>Chris and Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so
> > >> > >> I'll
> > >> knock
> > >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this
> topic.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an
> > >> > >>OODT book?
> > >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of
> > >> > >>the
> > >> book
> > >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about
> > >> > >> it,
> > >> and I
> > >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Tom
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> *Lewis*
> > >>
> > >
>
RE: OODT book proposal
Posted by "Mallder, Valerie" <Va...@jhuapl.edu>.
Hi Tom,
I may be able to contribute some content to section 1.4.1 depending on how many examples you want to provide. I am using OODT Radix to build the two pipeline projects that I currently working on.
Val
Valerie A. Mallder
New Horizons Deputy Mission System Engineer
Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Barber [mailto:tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 5:53 AM
> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>
> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy from Manning
> tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOF
> tuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you should be
> able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something so I can spot them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> >
> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
> > have to pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away
> > from generic platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a
> > look at all the main components and heavy on the real world how-to and
> > use cases would be the way I'm tending to go along with a load of
> > stuff on the value of metadata etc.
> >
> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
> > stuff which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world
> > use cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
> > from my day job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world
> > so you'll have to leave that to me ;)
> >
> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
> > writing a book.
> >
> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
> > interested can add their 10 cents.
> >
> > Tom
> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> > <le...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
> >> with one interesting outcome.
> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
> >> likely
> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> >> An example is the following
> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
> >> consider.
> >> Lewis
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen while the book is going
> >> > on (and be pushed in many cases by the book!) :)
> >> >
> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > Chris Mattmann
> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >> >
> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a
> >> > >lot of very nice features in the pipe, which will affect the
> >> > >content of a book.
> >> > >
> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
> >> > >
> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> >> > > - Major OODT Components
> >> > > - Extending OODT
> >> > > - OODT in Operations
> >> > >
> >> > >-Michael
> >> > >
> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hi Tom,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
> >> level
> >> > >>of
> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear
> >> > >>to
> >> me
> >> > >>your
> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
> >> contribute.
> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on
> >> > >> your efforts. :-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > >> Dana
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
> >> > >>dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi guys,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me,
> >> > >>Chris and Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so
> >> > >> I'll
> >> knock
> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an
> >> > >>OODT book?
> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of
> >> > >>the
> >> book
> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about
> >> > >> it,
> >> and I
> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Tom
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Lewis*
> >>
> >
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Eva Schlauch <es...@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>.
Hi Tom,
the example I mean is basically what I am trying to build... :-D so my
version does not exist yet. But I can come up with some documentation
while building/configuring my oodt (which is what I will do anyways,
just the extent of the documentation may vary if more people will read it).
My scenario (as it is in my head now):
One server, different work stations: people/processes at remote work
stations will add data of different kinds to the catalog via some
interface. then oodt decides what to do with the data, i.e., do some
postprocessing and visualization etc. Primary data and secondary
(processed) data should be available via some web interface as well as
some interaction with the data. Since there is interaction, versioning
is important. I assume that this may be a model also interesting for
other applications?? Or more probable, covered already by one of the
other examples?
Best regards, Eva
Am 26.05.15 um 12:40 schrieb Tom Barber:
> Hi Eva
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Can you just expand a little upon your scenario? I'm happy to include
> whatever people think would be useful in the proposal.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Eva Schlauch <es...@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom and all,
>>
>> I am looking forward to the book, it will be a great help for people like
>> me :-)
>>
>> Since I don't know the examples: will there be one that explains an
>> implementation that gets used by different people (different products) and
>> gives back a new product like a summary on a web page and provides
>> extensions for statistics on the new products? (is that a scenario
>> interesting for more people than only me?)
>>
>> Best regards, Eva
>>
>>
>> Am 26.05.15 um 11:52 schrieb Tom Barber:
>>
>> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy from
>>> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>>> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
>>> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something so
>>> I
>>> can spot them.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback guys.
>>>> The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I have
>>>> to
>>>> pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
>>>> generic
>>>> platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all the
>>>> main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases would be
>>>> the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
>>>> metadata etc.
>>>>
>>>> We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA stuff
>>>> which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
>>>> cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my
>>>> day
>>>> job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll have
>>>> to
>>>> leave that to me ;)
>>>>
>>>> On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend writing a
>>>> book.
>>>>
>>>> I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those interested
>>>> can add their 10 cents.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>> On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" <le...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
>>>>> with
>>>>> one interesting outcome.
>>>>> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will likely
>>>>> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>>>>> An example is the following
>>>>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>>>>> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
>>>>> consider.
>>>>> Lewis
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>>>>>> *before* writing the book, but can happen
>>>>>> while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>>>>>> many cases by the book!) :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Chris Mattmann
>>>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>>>>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>>>>>> To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
>>>>>>> "polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Setting Up OODT
>>>>>>> - Major OODT Components
>>>>>>> - Extending OODT
>>>>>>> - OODT in Operations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>>>>>>> dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> level
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> contribute.
>>>>>> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
>>>>>>>> efforts. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Dana
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Tom Barber
>>>>>>>> <to...@meteorite.bi>>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>>>>>>>> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>>>>>>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>>>>>>>> <dev@oodt.apache.org
>>>>>>>> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: OODT book proposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> knock
>>>>>> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>>>>>>>> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
>>>>>>>> book?
>>>>>>>> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> book
>>>>>> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it,
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Lewis*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> --
>> Eva Schlauch
>> MPI f. Radioastronomie
>> Auf dem Huegel 69
>> D-53121 Bonn
>> Phone - 0228 525 254
>> eschlauch@mpifr.de
>>
>>
--
Eva Schlauch
MPI f. Radioastronomie
Auf dem Huegel 69
D-53121 Bonn
Phone - 0228 525 254
eschlauch@mpifr.de
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Hi Eva
Thanks for the feedback.
Can you just expand a little upon your scenario? I'm happy to include
whatever people think would be useful in the proposal.
Tom
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Eva Schlauch <es...@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
wrote:
> Hi Tom and all,
>
> I am looking forward to the book, it will be a great help for people like
> me :-)
>
> Since I don't know the examples: will there be one that explains an
> implementation that gets used by different people (different products) and
> gives back a new product like a summary on a web page and provides
> extensions for statistics on the new products? (is that a scenario
> interesting for more people than only me?)
>
> Best regards, Eva
>
>
> Am 26.05.15 um 11:52 schrieb Tom Barber:
>
> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy from
>> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
>> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something so
>> I
>> can spot them.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback guys.
>>>
>>> The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I have
>>> to
>>> pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
>>> generic
>>> platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all the
>>> main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases would be
>>> the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
>>> metadata etc.
>>>
>>> We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA stuff
>>> which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
>>> cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my
>>> day
>>> job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll have
>>> to
>>> leave that to me ;)
>>>
>>> On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend writing a
>>> book.
>>>
>>> I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those interested
>>> can add their 10 cents.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>> On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" <le...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
>>>> with
>>>> one interesting outcome.
>>>> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will likely
>>>> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>>>> An example is the following
>>>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>>>> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
>>>> consider.
>>>> Lewis
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>>>>> *before* writing the book, but can happen
>>>>> while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>>>>> many cases by the book!) :)
>>>>>
>>>>> We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Chris Mattmann
>>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>>>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>>>>> To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
>>>>>> "polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Setting Up OODT
>>>>>> - Major OODT Components
>>>>>> - Extending OODT
>>>>>> - OODT in Operations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>>>>>> dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> level
>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> me
>>>>
>>>>> your
>>>>>>> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> contribute.
>>>>
>>>>> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
>>>>>>> efforts. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Dana
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Tom Barber
>>>>>>> <to...@meteorite.bi>>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>>>>>>> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>>>>>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>>>>>>> <dev@oodt.apache.org
>>>>>>> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>>>>>> Subject: OODT book proposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> knock
>>>>
>>>>> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
>>>>>>> book?
>>>>>>> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> book
>>>>
>>>>> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and I
>>>>
>>>>> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Lewis*
>>>>
>>>>
> --
> Eva Schlauch
> MPI f. Radioastronomie
> Auf dem Huegel 69
> D-53121 Bonn
> Phone - 0228 525 254
> eschlauch@mpifr.de
>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Eva Schlauch <es...@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>.
Hi Tom and all,
I am looking forward to the book, it will be a great help for people
like me :-)
Since I don't know the examples: will there be one that explains an
implementation that gets used by different people (different products)
and gives back a new product like a summary on a web page and provides
extensions for statistics on the new products? (is that a scenario
interesting for more people than only me?)
Best regards, Eva
Am 26.05.15 um 11:52 schrieb Tom Barber:
> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy from
> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something so I
> can spot them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback guys.
>>
>> The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I have to
>> pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from generic
>> platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all the
>> main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases would be
>> the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
>> metadata etc.
>>
>> We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA stuff
>> which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
>> cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my day
>> job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll have to
>> leave that to me ;)
>>
>> On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend writing a
>> book.
>>
>> I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those interested
>> can add their 10 cents.
>>
>> Tom
>> On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" <le...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks with
>>> one interesting outcome.
>>> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will likely
>>> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>>> An example is the following
>>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>>> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
>>> consider.
>>> Lewis
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>>>> *before* writing the book, but can happen
>>>> while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>>>> many cases by the book!) :)
>>>>
>>>> We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Chris Mattmann
>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>>>> To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>>
>>>>> I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
>>>>> "polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of
>>>>> very
>>>>> nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Setting Up OODT
>>>>> - Major OODT Components
>>>>> - Extending OODT
>>>>> - OODT in Operations
>>>>>
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>>>>> dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
>>> level
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to
>>> me
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>>> contribute.
>>>>>> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
>>>>>> efforts. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Dana
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Tom Barber
>>>>>> <to...@meteorite.bi>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>>>>>> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>>>>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>>>>>> <dev@oodt.apache.org
>>>>>> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>>>>> Subject: OODT book proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll
>>> knock
>>>>>> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
>>>>>> book?
>>>>>> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the
>>> book
>>>>>> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it,
>>> and I
>>>>>> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Lewis*
>>>
--
Eva Schlauch
MPI f. Radioastronomie
Auf dem Huegel 69
D-53121 Bonn
Phone - 0228 525 254
eschlauch@mpifr.de
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Hey Phillip
Great to hear from a lurker! Me and you aren't too different, lack of spare
time in my day job prevents me offering up as much to the project as I'd
like, but late night book writing is easier than late night coding,
especially with a couple of kids!
When I think a chapter is ready for editing, I'll post it to the list, and
people can offer up an opinion and I'll try and work the sensible ones into
the book. The original timescale was it would take about 9 months writing
and a few more editing, so don't expect it to arrive too quickly, but if I
can get it done in 12 months I'll be pretty happy.
Tom
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Phillip Rhodes <mo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm mostly just a lurker on this list, and don't know enough about OODT to
> be of any actual help with the writing. But I'd love to follow along and,
> at the very least, review the WIP periodically and maybe offer suggestions
> in terms of grammar/spelling, or even "This isn't clear to me as an OODT
> newbie" or whatever.
>
> Of course, I have a semi-selfish reason for wanting to help: I'd like to
> try writing a book one day using the LeanPub approach, and I kinda hope I
> might learn a lot about the process from watching you folks work. Plus I
> want to learn more about OODT anyway. :-)
>
>
> Phil
>
>
> This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> wrote:
>
> > Okay guys
> >
> > Here's my plan,
> >
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > Here's the TOC, manning thought it was 2 -4 weeks per chapter and will
> take
> > 12ish months from start to finish. I'm going to publish on leanpub and
> > write the book on github under Creative Commons
> > Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 so its open but does hopefully
> > prevent other publishers picking it up and just publishing for their own
> > gains.
> >
> > https://github.com/buggtb/oodt_book
> >
> > Leanpub allow me to set a min and recommended price, and also assign
> > royalties to authors.
> >
> > My plan is this, basically spit the royalties into 20, it has 14 chapters
> > and will need editing, so I'll split the royalties evenly by chapters
> wrote
> > and if you didn't write anything but did some editing, who was involved
> in
> > the editing. So with 12 months you've got plenty of time to
> > write/volunteer, let me know if you want to help.
> >
> > Also because its Leanpub and its open I'll be distributing plenty of
> > previews to the ML for people to skim through for me.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I’d of course be happy to help.
> > >
> > > —
> > > Chris Mattmann
> > > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> > > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:52 AM
> > > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > >
> > > >I'd also be interested in writing the draft in markdown storing it on
> > > >github and using an open license to create it if people think that's a
> > > >good
> > > >idea. Although I'm wary of packt just running off with it.
> > > >On 27 Aug 2015 4:41 pm, "Tom Barber" <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi chaps and chapesses,
> > > >>
> > > >> Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our
> > book
> > > >> proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us
> > > >>write
> > > >> the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters.
> So
> > I
> > > >> would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
> > > >>
> > > >> My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be
> > > >> easier for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the
> book
> > > >>and
> > > >> saves us selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other
> > publishing
> > > >> houses on what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper
> > > >> publisher might pick it up down the line or we can create our own
> > print
> > > >>run
> > > >> if there is a demand.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the
> > > >>book,
> > > >> are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out,
> if
> > > >>we go
> > > >> the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
> > > >> min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we
> > > >>make.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Tom
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <
> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Will do chief
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann
> > > >>><chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
> > > >>>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> —
> > > >>>> Chris Mattmann
> > > >>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> > > >>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > > >>>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
> > > >>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he
> > just
> > > >>>> >disappeared so I guess he got bored.
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > > >>>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward
> with
> > > >>>>it?
> > > >>>> >> Cheers
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>>> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > >>>> >> Chief Architect
> > > >>>> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > > >>>> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > >>>> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > > >>>> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > > >>>> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > >>>> >>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>>> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > >>>> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > >>>> >>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> >> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> > > >>>> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > > >>>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
> > > >>>> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > > >>>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >> >Thanks Chris.
> > > >>>> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of
> > the
> > > >>>> >>existing
> > > >>>> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
> > > >>>> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >Tom
> > > >>>> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > > >>>> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > > >>>> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
> > > >>>> >> >> I added it..good luck!
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> ________________________________________
> > > >>>> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> > > >>>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> > > >>>> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> > > >>>> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat
> to
> > > >>>>the
> > > >>>> guy
> > > >>>> >> >>from
> > > >>>> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuT
> > > >>>>FZ
> > > >>>> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> > > >>>> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to
> all
> > > >>>>so
> > > >>>> you
> > > >>>> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
> > > >>>> >>something
> > > >>>> >> >>so I
> > > >>>> >> >> can spot them.
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> Thanks
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> Tom
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
> > > >>>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> > > >>>> >> >> wrote:
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> > > >>>> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full
> > book
> > > >>>>as
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>> >> >>have
> > > >>>> >> >> to
> > > >>>> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move
> > away
> > > >>>> from
> > > >>>> >> >> generic
> > > >>>> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a
> look
> > > >>>>at
> > > >>>> all
> > > >>>> >> >>the
> > > >>>> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use
> > > >>>>cases
> > > >>>> >> >>would be
> > > >>>> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on
> the
> > > >>>>value
> > > >>>> >>of
> > > >>>> >> >> > metadata etc.
> > > >>>> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the
> > crazy
> > > >>>> NASA
> > > >>>> >> >>stuff
> > > >>>> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real
> > world
> > > >>>>use
> > > >>>> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and
> > stuff
> > > >>>> >>from my
> > > >>>> >> >> day
> > > >>>> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world
> so
> > > >>>> you'll
> > > >>>> >> >>have
> > > >>>> >> >> to
> > > >>>> >> >> > leave that to me ;)
> > > >>>> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would
> > > >>>>spend
> > > >>>> >> >>writing a
> > > >>>> >> >> > book.
> > > >>>> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and
> > those
> > > >>>> >> >>interested
> > > >>>> >> >> > can add their 10 cents.
> > > >>>> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> > Tom
> > > >>>> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> > > >>>> >> >><le...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>> >> >> > wrote:
> > > >>>> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very
> > > >>>>topic
> > > >>>> >>folks
> > > >>>> >> >> with
> > > >>>> >> >> >> one interesting outcome.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however
> Chris
> > > >>>>will
> > > >>>> >> >>likely
> > > >>>> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as
> > well.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> An example is the following
> > > >>>> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> > > >>>> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you
> > > >>>>guys
> > > >>>> can
> > > >>>> >> >> >> consider.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> Lewis
> > > >>>> >> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> > > >>>> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> wrote:
> > > >>>> >> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > Cheers,
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > Chris
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for
> > an
> > > >>>> >>OODT-1.0
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There
> seem
> > to
> > > >>>> be a
> > > >>>> >> >>lot
> > > >>>> >> >> of
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >very
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the
> content
> > > >>>>of a
> > > >>>> >> >>book.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for
> > the
> > > >>>> >>book.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >-Michael
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J
> > (398G) <
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to
> the
> > > >>>>book
> > > >>>> >>if my
> > > >>>> >> >> >> level
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>of
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful.
> It's
> > > >>>>not
> > > >>>> >> >>clear to
> > > >>>> >> >> >> me
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>your
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me
> if I
> > > >>>>can
> > > >>>> >> >> >> contribute.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will
> > > >>>>cheer
> > > >>>> on
> > > >>>> >> >>your
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks,
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Dana
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >><tom.barber@meteorite.bi<mailto:
> > tom.barber@meteorite.bi
> > > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To:
> > > >>>>"dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> > > >>>> <
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<mailto:dev@oodt.apache.org
> >"
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT
> book
> > > >>>>that
> > > >>>> >>me,
> > > >>>> >> >> Chris
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>and
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the
> > > >>>>proposal
> > > >>>> so
> > > >>>> >> >>I'll
> > > >>>> >> >> >> knock
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week,
> but
> > > >>>>on
> > > >>>> >>this
> > > >>>> >> >> topic.
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like
> to
> > > >>>>see
> > > >>>> >>in an
> > > >>>> >> >> OODT
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>book?
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours
> writing
> > a
> > > >>>>bit
> > > >>>> >>of
> > > >>>> >> >>the
> > > >>>> >> >> >> book
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't
> > worry
> > > >>>> about
> > > >>>> >> >>it,
> > > >>>> >> >> >> and I
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Tom
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >> --
> > > >>>> >> >> >> *Lewis*
> > > >>>> >> >> >>
> > > >>>> >> >> >
> > > >>>> >> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>> >>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Phillip Rhodes <mo...@gmail.com>.
I'm mostly just a lurker on this list, and don't know enough about OODT to
be of any actual help with the writing. But I'd love to follow along and,
at the very least, review the WIP periodically and maybe offer suggestions
in terms of grammar/spelling, or even "This isn't clear to me as an OODT
newbie" or whatever.
Of course, I have a semi-selfish reason for wanting to help: I'd like to
try writing a book one day using the LeanPub approach, and I kinda hope I
might learn a lot about the process from watching you folks work. Plus I
want to learn more about OODT anyway. :-)
Phil
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> Okay guys
>
> Here's my plan,
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Here's the TOC, manning thought it was 2 -4 weeks per chapter and will take
> 12ish months from start to finish. I'm going to publish on leanpub and
> write the book on github under Creative Commons
> Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 so its open but does hopefully
> prevent other publishers picking it up and just publishing for their own
> gains.
>
> https://github.com/buggtb/oodt_book
>
> Leanpub allow me to set a min and recommended price, and also assign
> royalties to authors.
>
> My plan is this, basically spit the royalties into 20, it has 14 chapters
> and will need editing, so I'll split the royalties evenly by chapters wrote
> and if you didn't write anything but did some editing, who was involved in
> the editing. So with 12 months you've got plenty of time to
> write/volunteer, let me know if you want to help.
>
> Also because its Leanpub and its open I'll be distributing plenty of
> previews to the ML for people to skim through for me.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tom
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I’d of course be happy to help.
> >
> > —
> > Chris Mattmann
> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:52 AM
> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >
> > >I'd also be interested in writing the draft in markdown storing it on
> > >github and using an open license to create it if people think that's a
> > >good
> > >idea. Although I'm wary of packt just running off with it.
> > >On 27 Aug 2015 4:41 pm, "Tom Barber" <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi chaps and chapesses,
> > >>
> > >> Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our
> book
> > >> proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us
> > >>write
> > >> the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So
> I
> > >> would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
> > >>
> > >> My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be
> > >> easier for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book
> > >>and
> > >> saves us selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other
> publishing
> > >> houses on what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper
> > >> publisher might pick it up down the line or we can create our own
> print
> > >>run
> > >> if there is a demand.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the
> > >>book,
> > >> are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if
> > >>we go
> > >> the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
> > >> min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we
> > >>make.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Tom
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Will do chief
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann
> > >>><chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
> > >>>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> —
> > >>>> Chris Mattmann
> > >>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> > >>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > >>>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
> > >>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > >>>>
> > >>>> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he
> just
> > >>>> >disappeared so I guess he got bored.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > >>>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with
> > >>>>it?
> > >>>> >> Cheers
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >>>> >> Chief Architect
> > >>>> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > >>>> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >>>> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > >>>> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >>>> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >>>> >>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >>>> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >>>> >>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> >> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> > >>>> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > >>>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
> > >>>> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > >>>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> >Thanks Chris.
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of
> the
> > >>>> >>existing
> > >>>> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >Tom
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > >>>> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >>>> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
> > >>>> >> >> I added it..good luck!
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> ________________________________________
> > >>>> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> > >>>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> > >>>> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> > >>>> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to
> > >>>>the
> > >>>> guy
> > >>>> >> >>from
> > >>>> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuT
> > >>>>FZ
> > >>>> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> > >>>> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all
> > >>>>so
> > >>>> you
> > >>>> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
> > >>>> >>something
> > >>>> >> >>so I
> > >>>> >> >> can spot them.
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> Thanks
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> Tom
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
> > >>>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> > >>>> >> >> wrote:
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> > >>>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full
> book
> > >>>>as
> > >>>> I
> > >>>> >> >>have
> > >>>> >> >> to
> > >>>> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move
> away
> > >>>> from
> > >>>> >> >> generic
> > >>>> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look
> > >>>>at
> > >>>> all
> > >>>> >> >>the
> > >>>> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use
> > >>>>cases
> > >>>> >> >>would be
> > >>>> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the
> > >>>>value
> > >>>> >>of
> > >>>> >> >> > metadata etc.
> > >>>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the
> crazy
> > >>>> NASA
> > >>>> >> >>stuff
> > >>>> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real
> world
> > >>>>use
> > >>>> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and
> stuff
> > >>>> >>from my
> > >>>> >> >> day
> > >>>> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so
> > >>>> you'll
> > >>>> >> >>have
> > >>>> >> >> to
> > >>>> >> >> > leave that to me ;)
> > >>>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would
> > >>>>spend
> > >>>> >> >>writing a
> > >>>> >> >> > book.
> > >>>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and
> those
> > >>>> >> >>interested
> > >>>> >> >> > can add their 10 cents.
> > >>>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> > Tom
> > >>>> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> > >>>> >> >><le...@gmail.com>
> > >>>> >> >> > wrote:
> > >>>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very
> > >>>>topic
> > >>>> >>folks
> > >>>> >> >> with
> > >>>> >> >> >> one interesting outcome.
> > >>>> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris
> > >>>>will
> > >>>> >> >>likely
> > >>>> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as
> well.
> > >>>> >> >> >> An example is the following
> > >>>> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> > >>>> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you
> > >>>>guys
> > >>>> can
> > >>>> >> >> >> consider.
> > >>>> >> >> >> Lewis
> > >>>> >> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> > >>>> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> > >>>> >> >> >> wrote:
> > >>>> >> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> > >>>> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
> > >>>> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> > >>>> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > Cheers,
> > >>>> >> >> >> > Chris
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------
> > >>>> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
> > >>>> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> > >>>> >> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for
> an
> > >>>> >>OODT-1.0
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem
> to
> > >>>> be a
> > >>>> >> >>lot
> > >>>> >> >> of
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >very
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content
> > >>>>of a
> > >>>> >> >>book.
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for
> the
> > >>>> >>book.
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> > >>>> >> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
> > >>>> >> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
> > >>>> >> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >-Michael
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J
> (398G) <
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the
> > >>>>book
> > >>>> >>if my
> > >>>> >> >> >> level
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>of
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's
> > >>>>not
> > >>>> >> >>clear to
> > >>>> >> >> >> me
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>your
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I
> > >>>>can
> > >>>> >> >> >> contribute.
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will
> > >>>>cheer
> > >>>> on
> > >>>> >> >>your
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks,
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Dana
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >><tom.barber@meteorite.bi<mailto:
> tom.barber@meteorite.bi
> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To:
> > >>>>"dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> > >>>> <
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book
> > >>>>that
> > >>>> >>me,
> > >>>> >> >> Chris
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>and
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the
> > >>>>proposal
> > >>>> so
> > >>>> >> >>I'll
> > >>>> >> >> >> knock
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but
> > >>>>on
> > >>>> >>this
> > >>>> >> >> topic.
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to
> > >>>>see
> > >>>> >>in an
> > >>>> >> >> OODT
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>book?
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing
> a
> > >>>>bit
> > >>>> >>of
> > >>>> >> >>the
> > >>>> >> >> >> book
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't
> worry
> > >>>> about
> > >>>> >> >>it,
> > >>>> >> >> >> and I
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >> Tom
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> >> --
> > >>>> >> >> >> *Lewis*
> > >>>> >> >> >>
> > >>>> >> >> >
> > >>>> >> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Okay guys
Here's my plan,
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
Here's the TOC, manning thought it was 2 -4 weeks per chapter and will take
12ish months from start to finish. I'm going to publish on leanpub and
write the book on github under Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 so its open but does hopefully
prevent other publishers picking it up and just publishing for their own
gains.
https://github.com/buggtb/oodt_book
Leanpub allow me to set a min and recommended price, and also assign
royalties to authors.
My plan is this, basically spit the royalties into 20, it has 14 chapters
and will need editing, so I'll split the royalties evenly by chapters wrote
and if you didn't write anything but did some editing, who was involved in
the editing. So with 12 months you've got plenty of time to
write/volunteer, let me know if you want to help.
Also because its Leanpub and its open I'll be distributing plenty of
previews to the ML for people to skim through for me.
Cheers
Tom
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> I’d of course be happy to help.
>
> —
> Chris Mattmann
> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:52 AM
> To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>
> >I'd also be interested in writing the draft in markdown storing it on
> >github and using an open license to create it if people think that's a
> >good
> >idea. Although I'm wary of packt just running off with it.
> >On 27 Aug 2015 4:41 pm, "Tom Barber" <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi chaps and chapesses,
> >>
> >> Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our book
> >> proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us
> >>write
> >> the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So I
> >> would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
> >>
> >> My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be
> >> easier for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book
> >>and
> >> saves us selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other publishing
> >> houses on what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper
> >> publisher might pick it up down the line or we can create our own print
> >>run
> >> if there is a demand.
> >>
> >> Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the
> >>book,
> >> are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if
> >>we go
> >> the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
> >> min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we
> >>make.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Will do chief
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann
> >>><chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
> >>>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
> >>>>
> >>>> —
> >>>> Chris Mattmann
> >>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> >>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
> >>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>>
> >>>> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
> >>>> >disappeared so I guess he got bored.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >>>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with
> >>>>it?
> >>>> >> Cheers
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>>> >> Chief Architect
> >>>> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >>>> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>>> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >>>> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>>> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>>> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> >>>> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
> >>>> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> >Thanks Chris.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the
> >>>> >>existing
> >>>> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >Tom
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >>>> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
> >>>> >> >> I added it..good luck!
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> ________________________________________
> >>>> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> >>>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> >>>> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> >>>> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to
> >>>>the
> >>>> guy
> >>>> >> >>from
> >>>> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuT
> >>>>FZ
> >>>> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> >>>> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all
> >>>>so
> >>>> you
> >>>> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
> >>>> >>something
> >>>> >> >>so I
> >>>> >> >> can spot them.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Thanks
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Tom
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
> >>>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> >>>> >> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book
> >>>>as
> >>>> I
> >>>> >> >>have
> >>>> >> >> to
> >>>> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away
> >>>> from
> >>>> >> >> generic
> >>>> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look
> >>>>at
> >>>> all
> >>>> >> >>the
> >>>> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use
> >>>>cases
> >>>> >> >>would be
> >>>> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the
> >>>>value
> >>>> >>of
> >>>> >> >> > metadata etc.
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy
> >>>> NASA
> >>>> >> >>stuff
> >>>> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world
> >>>>use
> >>>> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
> >>>> >>from my
> >>>> >> >> day
> >>>> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so
> >>>> you'll
> >>>> >> >>have
> >>>> >> >> to
> >>>> >> >> > leave that to me ;)
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would
> >>>>spend
> >>>> >> >>writing a
> >>>> >> >> > book.
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
> >>>> >> >>interested
> >>>> >> >> > can add their 10 cents.
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> > Tom
> >>>> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> >>>> >> >><le...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very
> >>>>topic
> >>>> >>folks
> >>>> >> >> with
> >>>> >> >> >> one interesting outcome.
> >>>> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris
> >>>>will
> >>>> >> >>likely
> >>>> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> >>>> >> >> >> An example is the following
> >>>> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> >>>> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you
> >>>>guys
> >>>> can
> >>>> >> >> >> consider.
> >>>> >> >> >> Lewis
> >>>> >> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> >>>> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >>>> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> >>>> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
> >>>> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> >>>> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> > Cheers,
> >>>> >> >> >> > Chris
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------
> >>>> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
> >>>> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> >>>> >> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> >>>> >> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an
> >>>> >>OODT-1.0
> >>>> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to
> >>>> be a
> >>>> >> >>lot
> >>>> >> >> of
> >>>> >> >> >> > >very
> >>>> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content
> >>>>of a
> >>>> >> >>book.
> >>>> >> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the
> >>>> >>book.
> >>>> >> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> >>>> >> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
> >>>> >> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
> >>>> >> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
> >>>> >> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >> >> > >-Michael
> >>>> >> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> >>>> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>> >> >> >> > >
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the
> >>>>book
> >>>> >>if my
> >>>> >> >> >> level
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>of
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's
> >>>>not
> >>>> >> >>clear to
> >>>> >> >> >> me
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>your
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I
> >>>>can
> >>>> >> >> >> contribute.
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will
> >>>>cheer
> >>>> on
> >>>> >> >>your
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks,
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Dana
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> >>>> >> >> >> > >><tom.barber@meteorite.bi<mailto:tom.barber@meteorite.bi
> >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To:
> >>>>"dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >>>> <
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >>>> >> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book
> >>>>that
> >>>> >>me,
> >>>> >> >> Chris
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>and
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the
> >>>>proposal
> >>>> so
> >>>> >> >>I'll
> >>>> >> >> >> knock
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but
> >>>>on
> >>>> >>this
> >>>> >> >> topic.
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to
> >>>>see
> >>>> >>in an
> >>>> >> >> OODT
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>book?
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a
> >>>>bit
> >>>> >>of
> >>>> >> >>the
> >>>> >> >> >> book
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry
> >>>> about
> >>>> >> >>it,
> >>>> >> >> >> and I
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >> Tom
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> >> --
> >>>> >> >> >> *Lewis*
> >>>> >> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
I’d of course be happy to help.
—
Chris Mattmann
chris.mattmann@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:52 AM
To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>I'd also be interested in writing the draft in markdown storing it on
>github and using an open license to create it if people think that's a
>good
>idea. Although I'm wary of packt just running off with it.
>On 27 Aug 2015 4:41 pm, "Tom Barber" <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>
>> Hi chaps and chapesses,
>>
>> Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our book
>> proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us
>>write
>> the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So I
>> would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
>>
>> My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be
>> easier for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book
>>and
>> saves us selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other publishing
>> houses on what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper
>> publisher might pick it up down the line or we can create our own print
>>run
>> if there is a demand.
>>
>> Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the
>>book,
>> are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if
>>we go
>> the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
>> min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we
>>make.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Will do chief
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann
>>><chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
>>>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
>>>>
>>>> —
>>>> Chris Mattmann
>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
>>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>>
>>>> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
>>>> >disappeared so I guess he got bored.
>>>> >
>>>> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>>>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with
>>>>it?
>>>> >> Cheers
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>> >> Chief Architect
>>>> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>>> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>>> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>>> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>>> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>>>> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
>>>> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Thanks Chris.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the
>>>> >>existing
>>>> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Tom
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>>>> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
>>>> >> >> I added it..good luck!
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> ________________________________________
>>>> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
>>>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
>>>> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to
>>>>the
>>>> guy
>>>> >> >>from
>>>> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuT
>>>>FZ
>>>> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all
>>>>so
>>>> you
>>>> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
>>>> >>something
>>>> >> >>so I
>>>> >> >> can spot them.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Thanks
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Tom
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
>>>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book
>>>>as
>>>> I
>>>> >> >>have
>>>> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away
>>>> from
>>>> >> >> generic
>>>> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look
>>>>at
>>>> all
>>>> >> >>the
>>>> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use
>>>>cases
>>>> >> >>would be
>>>> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the
>>>>value
>>>> >>of
>>>> >> >> > metadata etc.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy
>>>> NASA
>>>> >> >>stuff
>>>> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world
>>>>use
>>>> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
>>>> >>from my
>>>> >> >> day
>>>> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so
>>>> you'll
>>>> >> >>have
>>>> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> > leave that to me ;)
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would
>>>>spend
>>>> >> >>writing a
>>>> >> >> > book.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
>>>> >> >>interested
>>>> >> >> > can add their 10 cents.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Tom
>>>> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
>>>> >> >><le...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very
>>>>topic
>>>> >>folks
>>>> >> >> with
>>>> >> >> >> one interesting outcome.
>>>> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris
>>>>will
>>>> >> >>likely
>>>> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>>>> >> >> >> An example is the following
>>>> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>>>> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you
>>>>guys
>>>> can
>>>> >> >> >> consider.
>>>> >> >> >> Lewis
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>>>> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>>>> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>>>> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>>>> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Cheers,
>>>> >> >> >> > Chris
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------
>>>> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
>>>> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>>>> >> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>>>> >> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an
>>>> >>OODT-1.0
>>>> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to
>>>> be a
>>>> >> >>lot
>>>> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> >> > >very
>>>> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content
>>>>of a
>>>> >> >>book.
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the
>>>> >>book.
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
>>>> >> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
>>>> >> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
>>>> >> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >-Michael
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>>>> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the
>>>>book
>>>> >>if my
>>>> >> >> >> level
>>>> >> >> >> > >>of
>>>> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's
>>>>not
>>>> >> >>clear to
>>>> >> >> >> me
>>>> >> >> >> > >>your
>>>> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I
>>>>can
>>>> >> >> >> contribute.
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will
>>>>cheer
>>>> on
>>>> >> >>your
>>>> >> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks,
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Dana
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
>>>> >> >> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To:
>>>>"dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>>>> <
>>>> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>>>> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>>>> >> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>>>> >> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book
>>>>that
>>>> >>me,
>>>> >> >> Chris
>>>> >> >> >> > >>and
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the
>>>>proposal
>>>> so
>>>> >> >>I'll
>>>> >> >> >> knock
>>>> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but
>>>>on
>>>> >>this
>>>> >> >> topic.
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to
>>>>see
>>>> >>in an
>>>> >> >> OODT
>>>> >> >> >> > >>book?
>>>> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a
>>>>bit
>>>> >>of
>>>> >> >>the
>>>> >> >> >> book
>>>> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry
>>>> about
>>>> >> >>it,
>>>> >> >> >> and I
>>>> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >> Tom
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> >> *Lewis*
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
I'd also be interested in writing the draft in markdown storing it on
github and using an open license to create it if people think that's a good
idea. Although I'm wary of packt just running off with it.
On 27 Aug 2015 4:41 pm, "Tom Barber" <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> Hi chaps and chapesses,
>
> Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our book
> proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us write
> the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So I
> would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
>
> My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be
> easier for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book and
> saves us selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other publishing
> houses on what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper
> publisher might pick it up down the line or we can create our own print run
> if there is a demand.
>
> Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the book,
> are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if we go
> the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
> min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we make.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> wrote:
>
>> Will do chief
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann <chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
>>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
>>>
>>> —
>>> Chris Mattmann
>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>>
>>> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
>>> >disappeared so I guess he got bored.
>>> >
>>> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with it?
>>> >> Cheers
>>> >>
>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> >> Chief Architect
>>> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>>> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
>>> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>> >>
>>> >> >Thanks Chris.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the
>>> >>existing
>>> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Tom
>>> >> >
>>> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>>> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
>>> >> >> I added it..good luck!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ________________________________________
>>> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
>>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
>>> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the
>>> guy
>>> >> >>from
>>> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
>>> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so
>>> you
>>> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
>>> >>something
>>> >> >>so I
>>> >> >> can spot them.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Tom
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
>>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as
>>> I
>>> >> >>have
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away
>>> from
>>> >> >> generic
>>> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at
>>> all
>>> >> >>the
>>> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
>>> >> >>would be
>>> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value
>>> >>of
>>> >> >> > metadata etc.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy
>>> NASA
>>> >> >>stuff
>>> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
>>> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
>>> >>from my
>>> >> >> day
>>> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so
>>> you'll
>>> >> >>have
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> > leave that to me ;)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
>>> >> >>writing a
>>> >> >> > book.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
>>> >> >>interested
>>> >> >> > can add their 10 cents.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Tom
>>> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
>>> >> >><le...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic
>>> >>folks
>>> >> >> with
>>> >> >> >> one interesting outcome.
>>> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
>>> >> >>likely
>>> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>>> >> >> >> An example is the following
>>> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>>> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys
>>> can
>>> >> >> >> consider.
>>> >> >> >> Lewis
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>>> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>>> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>>> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>>> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > Cheers,
>>> >> >> >> > Chris
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------
>>> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
>>> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>>> >> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>>> >> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an
>>> >>OODT-1.0
>>> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to
>>> be a
>>> >> >>lot
>>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >> > >very
>>> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
>>> >> >>book.
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the
>>> >>book.
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
>>> >> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
>>> >> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
>>> >> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >-Michael
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>>> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book
>>> >>if my
>>> >> >> >> level
>>> >> >> >> > >>of
>>> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
>>> >> >>clear to
>>> >> >> >> me
>>> >> >> >> > >>your
>>> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>>> >> >> >> contribute.
>>> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer
>>> on
>>> >> >>your
>>> >> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks,
>>> >> >> >> > >> Dana
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
>>> >> >> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>>> <
>>> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>>> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>>> >> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>>> >> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that
>>> >>me,
>>> >> >> Chris
>>> >> >> >> > >>and
>>> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal
>>> so
>>> >> >>I'll
>>> >> >> >> knock
>>> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on
>>> >>this
>>> >> >> topic.
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see
>>> >>in an
>>> >> >> OODT
>>> >> >> >> > >>book?
>>> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit
>>> >>of
>>> >> >>the
>>> >> >> >> book
>>> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry
>>> about
>>> >> >>it,
>>> >> >> >> and I
>>> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >> Tom
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> --
>>> >> >> >> *Lewis*
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Chris is correct! I grumbled about the wrong publisher. Apologies to
wiley, I meant manning I've been on holiday for too long!
On 27 Aug 2015 5:00 pm, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> I think you mean Manning right not Wiley
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> >
> > Hi chaps and chapesses,
> >
> > Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our book
> > proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us
> write
> > the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So I
> > would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
> >
> > My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be
> easier
> > for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book and saves
> us
> > selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other publishing houses on
> > what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper publisher
> might
> > pick it up down the line or we can create our own print run if there is a
> > demand.
> >
> > Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the book,
> > are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if we
> go
> > the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
> > min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we make.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Will do chief
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann <
> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
> >>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
> >>>
> >>> —
> >>> Chris Mattmann
> >>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> >>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
> >>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>
> >>>> I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
> >>>> disappeared so I guess he got bored.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with it?
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>>>> Chief Architect
> >>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> >>>>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
> >>>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks Chris.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the
> >>>>> existing
> >>>>>> tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >>>>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
> >>>>>>> I added it..good luck!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> >>>>>>> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the
> >>> guy
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
> >>>>>>> e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> >>>>>>> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so
> >>> you
> >>>>>>> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
> >>>>> something
> >>>>>>> so I
> >>>>>>> can spot them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
> >>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback guys.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away
> >>> from
> >>>>>>> generic
> >>>>>>>> platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at
> >>> all
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
> >>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>> the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> metadata etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
> >>>>>>> stuff
> >>>>>>>> which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
> >>>>>>>> cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
> >>>>> from my
> >>>>>>> day
> >>>>>>>> job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so
> >>> you'll
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> leave that to me ;)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
> >>>>>>> writing a
> >>>>>>>> book.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
> >>>>>>> interested
> >>>>>>>> can add their 10 cents.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>> On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> >>>>>>> <le...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic
> >>>>> folks
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> one interesting outcome.
> >>>>>>>>> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
> >>>>>>> likely
> >>>>>>>>> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> >>>>>>>>> An example is the following
> >>>>>>>>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys
> >>> can
> >>>>>>>>> consider.
> >>>>>>>>> Lewis
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> >>>>>>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> >>>>>>>>>> *before* writing the book, but can happen
> >>>>>>>>>> while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> >>>>>>>>>> many cases by the book!) :)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris Mattmann
> >>>>>>>>>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an
> >>>>> OODT-1.0
> >>>>>>>>>>> "polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be
> >>> a
> >>>>>>> lot
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>> nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
> >>>>>>> book.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the
> >>>>> book.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> - Setting Up OODT
> >>>>>>>>>>> - Major OODT Components
> >>>>>>>>>>> - Extending OODT
> >>>>>>>>>>> - OODT in Operations
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> >>>>>>>>>>> dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book
> >>>>> if my
> >>>>>>>>> level
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
> >>>>>>> clear to
> >>>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
> >>>>>>>>> contribute.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer
> >>> on
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> efforts. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Tom Barber
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <to...@meteorite.bi>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <dev@oodt.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that
> >>>>> me,
> >>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal
> >>> so
> >>>>>>> I'll
> >>>>>>>>> knock
> >>>>>>>>>>>> something together and share it later in the week, but on
> >>>>> this
> >>>>>>> topic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see
> >>>>> in an
> >>>>>>> OODT
> >>>>>>>>>>>> book?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> book
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry
> >>> about
> >>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>>> and I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> *Lewis*
> >>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Hi chaps and chapesses,
Wiley don't know a good idea when they see one and turned down our book
proposal, booo. The good thing is in the process they have helped us write
the TOC and indicate standard timeframes for writing the chapters. So I
would like to pursue this idea anyway, yay.
My plan is to self publish using leanpub, because I think it will be easier
for me personally, but also gives us flexibility with the book and saves us
selling our souls to Pact or dealing with the other publishing houses on
what is quite a specific subject matter. Similarly a paper publisher might
pick it up down the line or we can create our own print run if there is a
demand.
Anyway, those who said they might be interested in helping with the book,
are you still interested? If so let me know and we'll sort it out, if we go
the self publishing route we need to figure out how much the
min/recommended price is and how we split whatever minuscule sum we make.
Regards,
Tom
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> Will do chief
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann <ch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
>> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
>>
>> —
>> Chris Mattmann
>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>
>> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
>> >disappeared so I guess he got bored.
>> >
>> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with it?
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> >> Chief Architect
>> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
>> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >>
>> >> >Thanks Chris.
>> >> >
>> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the
>> >>existing
>> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
>> >> >
>> >> >Tom
>> >> >
>> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
>> >> >> I added it..good luck!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ________________________________________
>> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
>> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the
>> guy
>> >> >>from
>> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
>> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so
>> you
>> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
>> >>something
>> >> >>so I
>> >> >> can spot them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tom
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <
>> tom.barber@meteorite.bi>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
>> >> >>have
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away
>> from
>> >> >> generic
>> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at
>> all
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
>> >> >>would be
>> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value
>> >>of
>> >> >> > metadata etc.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
>> >> >>stuff
>> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
>> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
>> >>from my
>> >> >> day
>> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so
>> you'll
>> >> >>have
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > leave that to me ;)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
>> >> >>writing a
>> >> >> > book.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
>> >> >>interested
>> >> >> > can add their 10 cents.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Tom
>> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
>> >> >><le...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic
>> >>folks
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> one interesting outcome.
>> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
>> >> >>likely
>> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>> >> >> >> An example is the following
>> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys
>> can
>> >> >> >> consider.
>> >> >> >> Lewis
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >> >> > Chris
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > ------------------------
>> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
>> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>> >> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>> >> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an
>> >>OODT-1.0
>> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be
>> a
>> >> >>lot
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> > >very
>> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
>> >> >>book.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the
>> >>book.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
>> >> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
>> >> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
>> >> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >-Michael
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book
>> >>if my
>> >> >> >> level
>> >> >> >> > >>of
>> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
>> >> >>clear to
>> >> >> >> me
>> >> >> >> > >>your
>> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>> >> >> >> contribute.
>> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer
>> on
>> >> >>your
>> >> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Thanks,
>> >> >> >> > >> Dana
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
>> >> >> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>> <
>> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>> >> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>> >> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that
>> >>me,
>> >> >> Chris
>> >> >> >> > >>and
>> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal
>> so
>> >> >>I'll
>> >> >> >> knock
>> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on
>> >>this
>> >> >> topic.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see
>> >>in an
>> >> >> OODT
>> >> >> >> > >>book?
>> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit
>> >>of
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> book
>> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry
>> about
>> >> >>it,
>> >> >> >> and I
>> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Tom
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> *Lewis*
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Will do chief
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Chris Mattmann <ch...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
> momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
>
> —
> Chris Mattmann
> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>
> >I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
> >disappeared so I guess he got bored.
> >
> >On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with it?
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> Chief Architect
> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>
> >> >Thanks Chris.
> >> >
> >> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the
> >>existing
> >> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
> >> >
> >> >Tom
> >> >
> >> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
> >> >> I added it..good luck!
> >> >>
> >> >> ________________________________________
> >> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> >> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >> >>
> >> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy
> >> >>from
> >> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
> >> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> >> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
> >> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
> >>something
> >> >>so I
> >> >> can spot them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
> >> >>have
> >> >> to
> >> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
> >> >> generic
> >> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all
> >> >>the
> >> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
> >> >>would be
> >> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value
> >>of
> >> >> > metadata etc.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
> >> >>stuff
> >> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
> >> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
> >>from my
> >> >> day
> >> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll
> >> >>have
> >> >> to
> >> >> > leave that to me ;)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
> >> >>writing a
> >> >> > book.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
> >> >>interested
> >> >> > can add their 10 cents.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tom
> >> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> >> >><le...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic
> >>folks
> >> >> with
> >> >> >> one interesting outcome.
> >> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
> >> >>likely
> >> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> >> >> >> An example is the following
> >> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> >> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
> >> >> >> consider.
> >> >> >> Lewis
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> >> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> >> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
> >> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> >> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ------------------------
> >> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
> >> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> >> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> >> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an
> >>OODT-1.0
> >> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a
> >> >>lot
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > >very
> >> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
> >> >>book.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the
> >>book.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> >> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
> >> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
> >> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >-Michael
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> >> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book
> >>if my
> >> >> >> level
> >> >> >> > >>of
> >> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
> >> >>clear to
> >> >> >> me
> >> >> >> > >>your
> >> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
> >> >> >> contribute.
> >> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on
> >> >>your
> >> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> >> >> > >> Dana
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> >> >> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
> >> >> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> <
> >> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that
> >>me,
> >> >> Chris
> >> >> >> > >>and
> >> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so
> >> >>I'll
> >> >> >> knock
> >> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on
> >>this
> >> >> topic.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see
> >>in an
> >> >> OODT
> >> >> >> > >>book?
> >> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit
> >>of
> >> >>the
> >> >> >> book
> >> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about
> >> >>it,
> >> >> >> and I
> >> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Tom
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> *Lewis*
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ch...@gmail.com>.
I think you should re-engage him - please keep the
momentum going feel free to CC me and I’ll help.
—
Chris Mattmann
chris.mattmann@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM
To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
>disappeared so I guess he got bored.
>
>On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with it?
>> Cheers
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>
>> >Thanks Chris.
>> >
>> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the
>>existing
>> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
>> >
>> >Tom
>> >
>> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
>> >> I added it..good luck!
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________________
>> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
>> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
>> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >>
>> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy
>> >>from
>> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
>> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
>> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or
>>something
>> >>so I
>> >> can spot them.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
>> >> >
>> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
>> >>have
>> >> to
>> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
>> >> generic
>> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all
>> >>the
>> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
>> >>would be
>> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value
>>of
>> >> > metadata etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
>> >>stuff
>> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
>> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff
>>from my
>> >> day
>> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll
>> >>have
>> >> to
>> >> > leave that to me ;)
>> >> >
>> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
>> >>writing a
>> >> > book.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
>> >>interested
>> >> > can add their 10 cents.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
>> >><le...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic
>>folks
>> >> with
>> >> >> one interesting outcome.
>> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
>> >>likely
>> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>> >> >> An example is the following
>> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
>> >> >> consider.
>> >> >> Lewis
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >> > Chris
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ------------------------
>> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
>> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an
>>OODT-1.0
>> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a
>> >>lot
>> >> of
>> >> >> > >very
>> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
>> >>book.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the
>>book.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
>> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
>> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
>> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >-Michael
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book
>>if my
>> >> >> level
>> >> >> > >>of
>> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
>> >>clear to
>> >> >> me
>> >> >> > >>your
>> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>> >> >> contribute.
>> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on
>> >>your
>> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Thanks,
>> >> >> > >> Dana
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
>> >> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>> >> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that
>>me,
>> >> Chris
>> >> >> > >>and
>> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so
>> >>I'll
>> >> >> knock
>> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on
>>this
>> >> topic.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see
>>in an
>> >> OODT
>> >> >> > >>book?
>> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit
>>of
>> >>the
>> >> >> book
>> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about
>> >>it,
>> >> >> and I
>> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Tom
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> *Lewis*
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
I went through a bunch of proposal writing with the guy, then he just
disappeared so I guess he got bored.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with it?
> Cheers
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>
> >Thanks Chris.
> >
> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the existing
> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
> >> I added it..good luck!
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>
> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy
> >>from
> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something
> >>so I
> >> can spot them.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> >> >
> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
> >>have
> >> to
> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
> >> generic
> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all
> >>the
> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
> >>would be
> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
> >> > metadata etc.
> >> >
> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
> >>stuff
> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my
> >> day
> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll
> >>have
> >> to
> >> > leave that to me ;)
> >> >
> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
> >>writing a
> >> > book.
> >> >
> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
> >>interested
> >> > can add their 10 cents.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> >><le...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
> >> with
> >> >> one interesting outcome.
> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
> >>likely
> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> >> >> An example is the following
> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
> >> >> consider.
> >> >> Lewis
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ------------------------
> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a
> >>lot
> >> of
> >> >> > >very
> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
> >>book.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >-Michael
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
> >> >> level
> >> >> > >>of
> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
> >>clear to
> >> >> me
> >> >> > >>your
> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
> >> >> contribute.
> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on
> >>your
> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> >> > >> Dana
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> >> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
> >> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me,
> >> Chris
> >> >> > >>and
> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so
> >>I'll
> >> >> knock
> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this
> >> topic.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an
> >> OODT
> >> >> > >>book?
> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of
> >>the
> >> >> book
> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about
> >>it,
> >> >> and I
> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Tom
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> *Lewis*
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hey Tom - where are we at on the book? did you move forward with it?
Cheers
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:38 AM
To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>Thanks Chris.
>
>Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the existing
>tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
>
>Tom
>
>On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
>> I added it..good luck!
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
>> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>
>> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy
>>from
>> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>>
>>
>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
>>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
>> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something
>>so I
>> can spot them.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
>> >
>> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
>>have
>> to
>> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
>> generic
>> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all
>>the
>> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
>>would be
>> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
>> > metadata etc.
>> >
>> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
>>stuff
>> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
>> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my
>> day
>> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll
>>have
>> to
>> > leave that to me ;)
>> >
>> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
>>writing a
>> > book.
>> >
>> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
>>interested
>> > can add their 10 cents.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
>><le...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
>> with
>> >> one interesting outcome.
>> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
>>likely
>> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>> >> An example is the following
>> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
>> >> consider.
>> >> Lewis
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
>> >> >
>> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Chris
>> >> >
>> >> > ------------------------
>> >> > Chris Mattmann
>> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >> >
>> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
>> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a
>>lot
>> of
>> >> > >very
>> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
>>book.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
>> >> > > - Major OODT Components
>> >> > > - Extending OODT
>> >> > > - OODT in Operations
>> >> > >
>> >> > >-Michael
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Hi Tom,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
>> >> level
>> >> > >>of
>> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
>>clear to
>> >> me
>> >> > >>your
>> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>> >> contribute.
>> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on
>>your
>> >> > >> efforts. :-)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Thanks,
>> >> > >> Dana
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
>> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Hi guys,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me,
>> Chris
>> >> > >>and
>> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so
>>I'll
>> >> knock
>> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this
>> topic.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an
>> OODT
>> >> > >>book?
>> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of
>>the
>> >> book
>> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about
>>it,
>> >> and I
>> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Tom
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> *Lewis*
>> >>
>> >
>>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Thanks Dan, very useful!
Tom
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Crichton, Daniel J (3902) <
daniel.j.crichton@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Looking at the outline, a few things jump out at me.
>
> 1. Architectural concepts behind OODT
>
> OODT was defined by an initial set of architectural principles that I
> believe still hold today. A key one being the separation of the software
> components from the information model. It's my belief that this is why
> OODT could be applied to so many different domains.
>
> In addition, there are some key architectural patterns behind OODT but two
> very prominent ones:
> (1) Information capture, processing, etc - In the early days this was
> first implemented by the Palomar Testbed Interferometer and SeaWinds)
> which defined the CAS
> (2) Data discovery, access, distribution, integration, of highly
> distributed, heterogeneous systems - This was defined by projects like
> NASA/PDS, NCI/EDRN, etc
>
> Many of the architectural decisions made the foundation of OODT as a data
> science ecosystem and have allowed for it to be applied not only to
> different domains, but also to allow it to scale and integrate with
> different technologies and standards including messaging systems, cloud
> infrastructures, different database backends, etc. In fact, this allowed
> NASA to move away from being tightly coupled to a vendor ground data
> systems to use OODT an open source processing infrastructure for Earth
> Science back in 2003.
>
> It would be good to include this in Part I. Much of it right now is in
> academic papers.
>
> 2. Section 5.x - OODT's web grid components are much less about
> computation/processing and more about data intensive capabilities of
> discovery (e.g., Profile Services) , access, transformation, and
> distribution (e.g., Product Services). I would stress the distributed
> deployment of OODT to integrate highly distributed, heterogeneous systems.
> This is how PDS, EDRN, and some other biomedical data networks are using
> it.
>
> We've kept Profile/Product and CAS components as separate so I would think
> that 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, and 5.6 should move up to section 4 or a new section
> should be create to address the information integration aspects with the
> web grid pieces moving into it.
>
>
> 3. Section 10 - EDRN is certainly example of integrating heterogeneous,
> distributed systems together but PDS and others can be discussed. For
> EDRN and PDS, it's much less about distributed data entry and much more
> focused on how to integrate, transform, and distribute data across highly
> distributed systems.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Dan
>
> On 5/26/15 7:38 AM, "Tom Barber" <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Chris.
> >
> >Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the existing
> >tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
> >> I added it..good luck!
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> >> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >>
> >> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy
> >>from
> >> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
> >>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> >> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
> >> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something
> >>so I
> >> can spot them.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> >> >
> >> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
> >>have
> >> to
> >> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
> >> generic
> >> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all
> >>the
> >> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
> >>would be
> >> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
> >> > metadata etc.
> >> >
> >> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
> >>stuff
> >> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
> >> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my
> >> day
> >> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll
> >>have
> >> to
> >> > leave that to me ;)
> >> >
> >> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
> >>writing a
> >> > book.
> >> >
> >> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
> >>interested
> >> > can add their 10 cents.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
> >><le...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
> >> with
> >> >> one interesting outcome.
> >> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
> >>likely
> >> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> >> >> An example is the following
> >> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> >> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
> >> >> consider.
> >> >> Lewis
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> >> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Thanks Mike. I don¹t think 1.0 is required
> >> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
> >> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> >> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> > Chris
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ------------------------
> >> >> > Chris Mattmann
> >> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> >> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> >> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
> >> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a
> >>lot
> >> of
> >> >> > >very
> >> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
> >>book.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> >> >> > > - Major OODT Components
> >> >> > > - Extending OODT
> >> >> > > - OODT in Operations
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >-Michael
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> >> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> Hi Tom,
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
> >> >> level
> >> >> > >>of
> >> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
> >>clear to
> >> >> me
> >> >> > >>your
> >> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
> >> >> contribute.
> >> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on
> >>your
> >> >> > >> efforts. :-)
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> >> > >> Dana
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> >> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
> >> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
> >> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Hi guys,
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me,
> >> Chris
> >> >> > >>and
> >> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so
> >>I'll
> >> >> knock
> >> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this
> >> topic.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an
> >> OODT
> >> >> > >>book?
> >> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of
> >>the
> >> >> book
> >> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about
> >>it,
> >> >> and I
> >> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Tom
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> *Lewis*
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by "Crichton, Daniel J (3902)" <da...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Tom,
Looking at the outline, a few things jump out at me.
1. Architectural concepts behind OODT
OODT was defined by an initial set of architectural principles that I
believe still hold today. A key one being the separation of the software
components from the information model. It's my belief that this is why
OODT could be applied to so many different domains.
In addition, there are some key architectural patterns behind OODT but two
very prominent ones:
(1) Information capture, processing, etc - In the early days this was
first implemented by the Palomar Testbed Interferometer and SeaWinds)
which defined the CAS
(2) Data discovery, access, distribution, integration, of highly
distributed, heterogeneous systems - This was defined by projects like
NASA/PDS, NCI/EDRN, etc
Many of the architectural decisions made the foundation of OODT as a data
science ecosystem and have allowed for it to be applied not only to
different domains, but also to allow it to scale and integrate with
different technologies and standards including messaging systems, cloud
infrastructures, different database backends, etc. In fact, this allowed
NASA to move away from being tightly coupled to a vendor ground data
systems to use OODT an open source processing infrastructure for Earth
Science back in 2003.
It would be good to include this in Part I. Much of it right now is in
academic papers.
2. Section 5.x - OODT's web grid components are much less about
computation/processing and more about data intensive capabilities of
discovery (e.g., Profile Services) , access, transformation, and
distribution (e.g., Product Services). I would stress the distributed
deployment of OODT to integrate highly distributed, heterogeneous systems.
This is how PDS, EDRN, and some other biomedical data networks are using
it.
We've kept Profile/Product and CAS components as separate so I would think
that 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, and 5.6 should move up to section 4 or a new section
should be create to address the information integration aspects with the
web grid pieces moving into it.
3. Section 10 - EDRN is certainly example of integrating heterogeneous,
distributed systems together but PDS and others can be discussed. For
EDRN and PDS, it's much less about distributed data entry and much more
focused on how to integrate, transform, and distribute data across highly
distributed systems.
Hope this helps.
Dan
On 5/26/15 7:38 AM, "Tom Barber" <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>Thanks Chris.
>
>Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the existing
>tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
>
>Tom
>
>On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
>> I added it..good luck!
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
>> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>>
>> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy
>>from
>> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>>
>>
>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZ
>>e-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
>> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
>> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something
>>so I
>> can spot them.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
>> >
>> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I
>>have
>> to
>> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
>> generic
>> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all
>>the
>> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases
>>would be
>> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
>> > metadata etc.
>> >
>> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA
>>stuff
>> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
>> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my
>> day
>> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll
>>have
>> to
>> > leave that to me ;)
>> >
>> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend
>>writing a
>> > book.
>> >
>> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those
>>interested
>> > can add their 10 cents.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney"
>><le...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
>> with
>> >> one interesting outcome.
>> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will
>>likely
>> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>> >> An example is the following
>> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
>> >> consider.
>> >> Lewis
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Thanks Mike. I don¹t think 1.0 is required
>> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
>> >> >
>> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Chris
>> >> >
>> >> > ------------------------
>> >> > Chris Mattmann
>> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >> >
>> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
>> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a
>>lot
>> of
>> >> > >very
>> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a
>>book.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
>> >> > > - Major OODT Components
>> >> > > - Extending OODT
>> >> > > - OODT in Operations
>> >> > >
>> >> > >-Michael
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Hi Tom,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
>> >> level
>> >> > >>of
>> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not
>>clear to
>> >> me
>> >> > >>your
>> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>> >> contribute.
>> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on
>>your
>> >> > >> efforts. :-)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Thanks,
>> >> > >> Dana
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
>> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Hi guys,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me,
>> Chris
>> >> > >>and
>> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so
>>I'll
>> >> knock
>> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this
>> topic.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an
>> OODT
>> >> > >>book?
>> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of
>>the
>> >> book
>> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about
>>it,
>> >> and I
>> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Tom
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> *Lewis*
>> >>
>> >
>>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Thanks Chris.
Eva, I think we can probably include that stuff within one of the existing
tutorial sections as your ideas aren't too crazy ;)
Tom
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
> I added it..good luck!
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
> To: dev@oodt.apache.org
> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>
> Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy from
> Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
> and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
> should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something so I
> can spot them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the feedback guys.
> >
> > The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I have
> to
> > pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from
> generic
> > platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all the
> > main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases would be
> > the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
> > metadata etc.
> >
> > We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA stuff
> > which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
> > cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my
> day
> > job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll have
> to
> > leave that to me ;)
> >
> > On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend writing a
> > book.
> >
> > I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those interested
> > can add their 10 cents.
> >
> > Tom
> > On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" <le...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks
> with
> >> one interesting outcome.
> >> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will likely
> >> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> >> An example is the following
> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> >> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
> >> consider.
> >> Lewis
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
> >> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> >> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
> >> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> >> > many cases by the book!) :)
> >> >
> >> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > Chris Mattmann
> >> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> >> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> >> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >> >
> >> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
> >> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot
> of
> >> > >very
> >> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
> >> > >
> >> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
> >> > >
> >> > > - Setting Up OODT
> >> > > - Major OODT Components
> >> > > - Extending OODT
> >> > > - OODT in Operations
> >> > >
> >> > >-Michael
> >> > >
> >> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> >> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hi Tom,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
> >> level
> >> > >>of
> >> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to
> >> me
> >> > >>your
> >> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
> >> contribute.
> >> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
> >> > >> efforts. :-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > >> Dana
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> From: Tom Barber
> >> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
> >> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
> >> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi guys,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me,
> Chris
> >> > >>and
> >> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll
> >> knock
> >> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this
> topic.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an
> OODT
> >> > >>book?
> >> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the
> >> book
> >> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it,
> >> and I
> >> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Tom
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Lewis*
> >>
> >
>
RE: OODT book proposal
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
you have to have a chapter on NASA earth science missions :)
I added it..good luck!
________________________________________
From: Tom Barber [tom.barber@meteorite.bi]
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:52 AM
To: dev@oodt.apache.org
Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy from
Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something so I
can spot them.
Thanks
Tom
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback guys.
>
> The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I have to
> pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from generic
> platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all the
> main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases would be
> the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
> metadata etc.
>
> We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA stuff
> which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
> cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my day
> job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll have to
> leave that to me ;)
>
> On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend writing a
> book.
>
> I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those interested
> can add their 10 cents.
>
> Tom
> On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" <le...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks with
>> one interesting outcome.
>> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will likely
>> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>> An example is the following
>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
>> consider.
>> Lewis
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>> > many cases by the book!) :)
>> >
>> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > ------------------------
>> > Chris Mattmann
>> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >
>> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
>> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of
>> > >very
>> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
>> > >
>> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
>> > >
>> > > - Setting Up OODT
>> > > - Major OODT Components
>> > > - Extending OODT
>> > > - OODT in Operations
>> > >
>> > >-Michael
>> > >
>> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi Tom,
>> > >>
>> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
>> level
>> > >>of
>> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to
>> me
>> > >>your
>> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>> contribute.
>> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
>> > >> efforts. :-)
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Dana
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> From: Tom Barber
>> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi guys,
>> > >>
>> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris
>> > >>and
>> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>> > >>
>> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll
>> knock
>> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>> > >>
>> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
>> > >>book?
>> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the
>> book
>> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it,
>> and I
>> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Tom
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Lewis*
>>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Alright chaps this is pretty last minute as I have to chat to the guy from
Manning tomorrow so if anyone has 5 minutes, can you scan:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dGVf0j25WzXZCyTyuX9aMmmQ06yAPLOFtuTFZe-0aXk/edit?usp=sharing
and add anything you think is missing. The link is open to all so you
should be able to add/change entries, just italicise them or something so I
can spot them.
Thanks
Tom
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback guys.
>
> The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I have to
> pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from generic
> platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all the
> main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases would be
> the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
> metadata etc.
>
> We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA stuff
> which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
> cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my day
> job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll have to
> leave that to me ;)
>
> On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend writing a
> book.
>
> I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those interested
> can add their 10 cents.
>
> Tom
> On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" <le...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks with
>> one interesting outcome.
>> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will likely
>> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
>> An example is the following
>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
>> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
>> consider.
>> Lewis
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <
>> chris.mattmann@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
>> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
>> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
>> > many cases by the book!) :)
>> >
>> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > ------------------------
>> > Chris Mattmann
>> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
>> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
>> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>> >
>> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
>> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of
>> > >very
>> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
>> > >
>> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
>> > >
>> > > - Setting Up OODT
>> > > - Major OODT Components
>> > > - Extending OODT
>> > > - OODT in Operations
>> > >
>> > >-Michael
>> > >
>> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi Tom,
>> > >>
>> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my
>> level
>> > >>of
>> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to
>> me
>> > >>your
>> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can
>> contribute.
>> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
>> > >> efforts. :-)
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Dana
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> From: Tom Barber
>> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
>> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi guys,
>> > >>
>> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris
>> > >>and
>> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>> > >>
>> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll
>> knock
>> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>> > >>
>> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
>> > >>book?
>> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the
>> book
>> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it,
>> and I
>> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Tom
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Lewis*
>>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
The chat I had with the chap was certainly around a full book as I have to
pitch 9 - 14 chapters. He did say they are trying to move away from generic
platform books so I think pitching it in the style of a look at all the
main components and heavy on the real world how-to and use cases would be
the way I'm tending to go along with a load of stuff on the value of
metadata etc.
We discussed use case ideas and I went over some of the crazy NASA stuff
which he said I should include and also a bunch of real world use
cases(smart meters/regulatory compliance application and stuff from my day
job), but of course, you lot don't live in the real world so you'll have to
leave that to me ;)
On 1.0 I'm sure it will come out during the time we would spend writing a
book.
I'll come back with a draft toc tonight or tomorrow and those interested
can add their 10 cents.
Tom
On 20 May 2015 18:26, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" <le...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks with
> one interesting outcome.
> Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will likely
> know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
> An example is the following
> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
> I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can
> consider.
> Lewis
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> > *before* writing the book, but can happen
> > while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> > many cases by the book!) :)
> >
> > We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > ------------------------
> > Chris Mattmann
> > chris.mattmann@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> > Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> > To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
> >
> > >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
> > >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of
> > >very
> > >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
> > >
> > >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
> > >
> > > - Setting Up OODT
> > > - Major OODT Components
> > > - Extending OODT
> > > - OODT in Operations
> > >
> > >-Michael
> > >
> > >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> > >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Tom,
> > >>
> > >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my level
> > >>of
> > >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to me
> > >>your
> > >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can contribute.
> > >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
> > >> efforts. :-)
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Dana
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Tom Barber
> > >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
> > >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
> > >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> > >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> > >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> > >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> > >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> > >>
> > >> Hi guys,
> > >>
> > >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris
> > >>and
> > >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> > >>
> > >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll
> knock
> > >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
> > >>
> > >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
> > >>book?
> > >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the
> book
> > >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and
> I
> > >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Tom
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> *Lewis*
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Spoke to Tom White a while ago @ApacheCon about this very topic folks with
one interesting outcome.
Many publishers (I don't know about Manning, however Chris will likely
know) are interested in Microbooks or picket guides as well.
An example is the following
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007430.do
I don't know if this fits for something like OODT but you guys can consider.
Lewis
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Chris Mattmann <ch...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
> *before* writing the book, but can happen
> while the book is going on (and be pushed in
> many cases by the book!) :)
>
> We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ------------------------
> Chris Mattmann
> chris.mattmann@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
> Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
> To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>
> >I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
> >"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of
> >very
> >nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
> >
> >Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
> >
> > - Setting Up OODT
> > - Major OODT Components
> > - Extending OODT
> > - OODT in Operations
> >
> >-Michael
> >
> >On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
> >dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Tom,
> >>
> >> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my level
> >>of
> >> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to me
> >>your
> >> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can contribute.
> >> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
> >> efforts. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dana
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Tom Barber
> >><to...@meteorite.bi>>
> >> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
> >> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> >> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
> >><dev@oodt.apache.org
> >> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> >> Subject: OODT book proposal
> >>
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris
> >>and
> >> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
> >>
> >> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll knock
> >> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
> >>
> >> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
> >>book?
> >> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the book
> >> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and I
> >> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
--
*Lewis*
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ch...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Mike. I don’t think 1.0 is required
*before* writing the book, but can happen
while the book is going on (and be pushed in
many cases by the book!) :)
We had the same scenario with Tika in Action.
Cheers,
Chris
------------------------
Chris Mattmann
chris.mattmann@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>
Reply-To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM
To: <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Subject: Re: OODT book proposal
>I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
>"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of
>very
>nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
>
>Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
>
> - Setting Up OODT
> - Major OODT Components
> - Extending OODT
> - OODT in Operations
>
>-Michael
>
>On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
>dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my level
>>of
>> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to me
>>your
>> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can contribute.
>> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
>> efforts. :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dana
>>
>>
>> From: Tom Barber
>><to...@meteorite.bi>>
>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
>> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>"
>><dev@oodt.apache.org
>> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
>> Subject: OODT book proposal
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris
>>and
>> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>>
>> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll knock
>> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>>
>> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT
>>book?
>> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the book
>> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and I
>> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by Michael Starch <st...@umich.edu>.
I am definitely up for this. Are we going to push for an OODT-1.0
"polished" released before we write a book? There seem to be a lot of very
nice features in the pipe, which will affect the content of a book.
Regardless, I believe the following may be helpful for the book.
- Setting Up OODT
- Major OODT Components
- Extending OODT
- OODT in Operations
-Michael
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <
dana.j.freeborn@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my level of
> experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to me your
> focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can contribute.
> Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your
> efforts. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Dana
>
>
> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>>
> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <
> dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <dev@oodt.apache.org
> <ma...@oodt.apache.org>>
> Subject: OODT book proposal
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris and
> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>
> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll knock
> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>
> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT book?
> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the book
> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and I
> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>
>
> Tom
>
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by "Verma, Rishi (398M)" <Ri...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hey Tom, all,
This is a great idea. I think it would help to both disseminate some deep understanding of OODT as well as how to use it more thoroughly.
Addressing your points:
a) In-depth architectural overview, usage scenario, and configurability guidance for each component of OODT. Customization/ configuration code examples, especially for the many extension points across the framework. Also, articulation of undocumented "gotchas" that we developers know about but new users may not. Plus a little history of OODT would be fun.
b) Definitely count me in to help with the book effort.
Thanks,
Rishi
> On May 20, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Freeborn, Dana J (398G) <da...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my level of experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to me your focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can contribute. Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your efforts. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Dana
>
>
> From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>>
> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <de...@oodt.apache.org>>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <de...@oodt.apache.org>>
> Subject: OODT book proposal
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris and
> Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
>
> I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll knock
> something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
>
> a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT book?
> b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the book
> (won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and I
> wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
>
>
> Tom
>
Re: OODT book proposal
Posted by "Freeborn, Dana J (398G)" <da...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Tom,
This is great. I would be happy to contribute to the book if my level of experience with OODT (which is high) is helpful. It's not clear to me your focus for the book, so you'll just have to tap me if I can contribute. Paul and Chris will know if I do. Otherwise, I will cheer on your efforts. :-)
Thanks,
Dana
From: Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>>
Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <de...@oodt.apache.org>>
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:02 AM
To: "dev@oodt.apache.org<ma...@oodt.apache.org>" <de...@oodt.apache.org>>
Subject: OODT book proposal
Hi guys,
I was on the phone to Manning today about an OODT book that me, Chris and
Mike Starch mulled over in Texas.
I've been tasked with coming up with a TOC as the proposal so I'll knock
something together and share it later in the week, but on this topic.
a) Does anyone have anything they'd especially like to see in an OODT book?
b) Does anyone want to help donate some hours writing a bit of the book
(won't be any time soon and takes months so don't worry about it, and I
wont hold you to it, just looking for interest)
Tom