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Website ACL
Based on the following discussion on Apache General [1], I'd like to
give Website write permissions to members of the community that have a
CLA on file [2].
Thoughts ?
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg14391.html
[2] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
I think this is exactly what I'm proposing. The only requirement is
that, someone that we would consider for "Website wiki committership"
MUST have a CLA in place. We could even promote voting for this karma,
although I don't think this is widely recognized in ASF.
On 7/15/07, Mike Edwards <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I think that we should consider the idea of "Website Wiki committership"
> separately from "Code committership".
+1
>
> I don't think that it should be necessary for someone to have Code
> committership in order to be granted update access to the Website/Wiki.
>
+1
> I do agree that it needs to be controlled, but that we should draw up a
> wider list of folk who are allowed to edit material on the Website. As
> has been pointed out, updates to the website have slowed down since we
> restricted write access. This is not good. Our website needs plenty of
> work.
>
>
> Yours, Mike.
>
> Luciano Resende wrote:
> > My only concern is that, after we restricted access to our wiki, and
> > started using the process of JIRA or updates on the other wiki space,
> > the website contributions basically stopped. I think we had only one
> > JIRA created on this space.
> >
> > On 7/13/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/13/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I was referring to the following paragraph...
> >> >
> >> > "a CLA is required for cover substantial contributions for source.
> >> therefore
> >> > wiki karma must only be granted those with a CLA."
> >>
> >> Yes but that doesn't mean that the converse is also true, ie just
> >> having a
> >> CLA doesn't give the right to be granted wiki karma.
> >>
> >
> > +1
> >
> >> > Robert also says later on :
> >> >
> >> > "a committer is essentially a developer with a CLA "
> >>
> >> and also that "provenance needs to be established and oversight
> >> maintained"
> >>
> >> > If we have control to who gets access, and we are covered, on the
> >> > legal aspects, by having the CLA in place, we should be Ok. What are
> >> > your concerns here ?
> >>
> >> As with the code, it requires more than just having a CLA to be granted
> >> commit access to our SVN.
> >>
> >> > The other two alternatives I see are :
> >> >
> >> > - Make wiki patches, or copies from "ocpy of the website wiki"
> >> > - Make all website contributors a Tuscany committer
> >>
> >> +1, both of these seem appropriate to me. People can raise JIRAs and do
> >> proposed updates on the TUSCANYWIKI space, once they've proven
> >> themselves we
> >> can vote them in as a website committer just like from code
> >> contributions.
> >>
> >> ...ant
> >
> >
>
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On 7/16/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ant wrote:
> > So no problem, when someone comes along we want to grant access just
> discuss
> > and vote on the private list and we can just give them access.
>
> +1
>
> On 7/15/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > The Apache CWIKI page is now quite clear about this (not sure what
> changed,
> > i thought some cwiki page used to say the opposite?) -
> >
> > "An individual person contributing documentation in this way is not
> required
> > to be a "committer", but he or she does need to file a CLA, so that
> there is
> > no doubt that the individual intends to contribute the copyright on the
> > documentation to the ASF. Of course, whenever anyone makes "welcome and
> > sustained contributions" to the documentation, it is appropriate to
> invite
> > that person to become a committer and PMC Member, and share in the
> decision
> > making." - see http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/.
> >
> > So no problem, when someone comes along we want to grant access just
> discuss
> > and vote on the private list and we can just give them access. If we
> could
> > get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit mailing list so its
> easy
> > to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a very low bar of entry.
> >
> > ...ant
> >
> > On 7/15/07, Mike Edwards <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I think that we should consider the idea of "Website Wiki
> committership"
> > > separately from "Code committership".
> > >
> > > I don't think that it should be necessary for someone to have Code
> > > committership in order to be granted update access to the
> Website/Wiki.
> > >
> > > I do agree that it needs to be controlled, but that we should draw up
> a
> > > wider list of folk who are allowed to edit material on the
> Website. As
> > > has been pointed out, updates to the website have slowed down since we
> > > restricted write access. This is not good. Our website needs plenty
> of
> > > work.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yours, Mike.
> > >
> > > Luciano Resende wrote:
> > > > My only concern is that, after we restricted access to our wiki, and
> > > > started using the process of JIRA or updates on the other wiki
> space,
> > > > the website contributions basically stopped. I think we had only one
> > > > JIRA created on this space.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/13/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 7/13/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > I was referring to the following paragraph...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "a CLA is required for cover substantial contributions for
> source.
> > > >> therefore
> > > >> > wiki karma must only be granted those with a CLA."
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes but that doesn't mean that the converse is also true, ie just
> > > >> having a
> > > >> CLA doesn't give the right to be granted wiki karma.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > >> > Robert also says later on :
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "a committer is essentially a developer with a CLA "
> > > >>
> > > >> and also that "provenance needs to be established and oversight
> > > >> maintained"
> > > >>
> > > >> > If we have control to who gets access, and we are covered, on the
> > > >> > legal aspects, by having the CLA in place, we should be Ok. What
> are
> > > >> > your concerns here ?
> > > >>
> > > >> As with the code, it requires more than just having a CLA to be
> granted
> > > >> commit access to our SVN.
> > > >>
> > > >> > The other two alternatives I see are :
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Make wiki patches, or copies from "ocpy of the website wiki"
> > > >> > - Make all website contributors a Tuscany committer
> > > >>
> > > >> +1, both of these seem appropriate to me. People can raise JIRAs
> and do
> > > >> proposed updates on the TUSCANYWIKI space, once they've proven
> > > >> themselves we
> > > >> can vote them in as a website committer just like from code
> > > >> contributions.
> > > >>
> > > >> ...ant
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> >
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>
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> +1 sounds like the right level of control to me.
Simon
Re: Website ACL
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
Ant wrote:
> So no problem, when someone comes along we want to grant access just discuss
> and vote on the private list and we can just give them access.
+1
On 7/15/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> The Apache CWIKI page is now quite clear about this (not sure what changed,
> i thought some cwiki page used to say the opposite?) -
>
> "An individual person contributing documentation in this way is not required
> to be a "committer", but he or she does need to file a CLA, so that there is
> no doubt that the individual intends to contribute the copyright on the
> documentation to the ASF. Of course, whenever anyone makes "welcome and
> sustained contributions" to the documentation, it is appropriate to invite
> that person to become a committer and PMC Member, and share in the decision
> making." - see http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/.
>
> So no problem, when someone comes along we want to grant access just discuss
> and vote on the private list and we can just give them access. If we could
> get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit mailing list so its easy
> to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a very low bar of entry.
>
> ...ant
>
> On 7/15/07, Mike Edwards <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I think that we should consider the idea of "Website Wiki committership"
> > separately from "Code committership".
> >
> > I don't think that it should be necessary for someone to have Code
> > committership in order to be granted update access to the Website/Wiki.
> >
> > I do agree that it needs to be controlled, but that we should draw up a
> > wider list of folk who are allowed to edit material on the Website. As
> > has been pointed out, updates to the website have slowed down since we
> > restricted write access. This is not good. Our website needs plenty of
> > work.
> >
> >
> > Yours, Mike.
> >
> > Luciano Resende wrote:
> > > My only concern is that, after we restricted access to our wiki, and
> > > started using the process of JIRA or updates on the other wiki space,
> > > the website contributions basically stopped. I think we had only one
> > > JIRA created on this space.
> > >
> > > On 7/13/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 7/13/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > I was referring to the following paragraph...
> > >> >
> > >> > "a CLA is required for cover substantial contributions for source.
> > >> therefore
> > >> > wiki karma must only be granted those with a CLA."
> > >>
> > >> Yes but that doesn't mean that the converse is also true, ie just
> > >> having a
> > >> CLA doesn't give the right to be granted wiki karma.
> > >>
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >> > Robert also says later on :
> > >> >
> > >> > "a committer is essentially a developer with a CLA "
> > >>
> > >> and also that "provenance needs to be established and oversight
> > >> maintained"
> > >>
> > >> > If we have control to who gets access, and we are covered, on the
> > >> > legal aspects, by having the CLA in place, we should be Ok. What are
> > >> > your concerns here ?
> > >>
> > >> As with the code, it requires more than just having a CLA to be granted
> > >> commit access to our SVN.
> > >>
> > >> > The other two alternatives I see are :
> > >> >
> > >> > - Make wiki patches, or copies from "ocpy of the website wiki"
> > >> > - Make all website contributors a Tuscany committer
> > >>
> > >> +1, both of these seem appropriate to me. People can raise JIRAs and do
> > >> proposed updates on the TUSCANYWIKI space, once they've proven
> > >> themselves we
> > >> can vote them in as a website committer just like from code
> > >> contributions.
> > >>
> > >> ...ant
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Simon Nash <na...@hursley.ibm.com>.
My CLA is in place and recorded on [1]. Please give me write access.
Simon
[1] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
Amita Vadhavkar wrote:
> I'd like write access please. I have a CLA in place.
> Thank you.
>
>
> Amita
>
> On 7/18/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you, Ant.
>>
>> On 7/18/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > This is now in place and changes to the Tuscany cwiki now have emails
>> sent
>> > to tuscany-commits
>> >
>> > ...ant
>> >
>> > On 7/17/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Ant,
>> > >
>> > > Please drop an email to apmail AT apache.org.
>> > >
>> > > thanks,
>> > > dims
>> > >
>> > > On 7/16/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 7/15/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > <snip>
>> > > >
>> > > > > If we could get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit
>> mailing
>> > > > list so its easy to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a
>> very
>> > > low
>> > > > bar of entry.
>> > > >
>> > > > I had a try at doing this by setting up a cwiki user using the
>> > > > tuscany-commits@ws.apache.org email address and adding that user as
>> a
>> > > > watcher of the cwiki space. This works but all the emails from
>> > > > confluence@apache.org to the tuscany-commits list require
>> moderation
>> > > which
>> > > > is a bit of a pain. Does any one know of a way around this? We need
>> some
>> > > way
>> > > > to allow confluence@apache.org to post to the tuscany-commits list
>> > > without
>> > > > having to subscribe it to the list so we don't send all the commit
>> > > emails to
>> > > > confluence@apache.org.
>> > > >
>> > > > (CC'ing you dims as you seem to have lots of mailing lits powers so
>> may
>> > > know
>> > > > some way around this?)
>> > > >
>> > > > ...ant
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>> > >
>> >
>>
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Amita Vadhavkar <am...@gmail.com>.
I'd like write access please. I have a CLA in place.
Thank you.
Amita
On 7/18/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Ant.
>
> On 7/18/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > This is now in place and changes to the Tuscany cwiki now have emails
> sent
> > to tuscany-commits
> >
> > ...ant
> >
> > On 7/17/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ant,
> > >
> > > Please drop an email to apmail AT apache.org.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > dims
> > >
> > > On 7/16/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/15/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > If we could get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit
> mailing
> > > > list so its easy to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a
> very
> > > low
> > > > bar of entry.
> > > >
> > > > I had a try at doing this by setting up a cwiki user using the
> > > > tuscany-commits@ws.apache.org email address and adding that user as
> a
> > > > watcher of the cwiki space. This works but all the emails from
> > > > confluence@apache.org to the tuscany-commits list require moderation
> > > which
> > > > is a bit of a pain. Does any one know of a way around this? We need
> some
> > > way
> > > > to allow confluence@apache.org to post to the tuscany-commits list
> > > without
> > > > having to subscribe it to the list so we don't send all the commit
> > > emails to
> > > > confluence@apache.org.
> > > >
> > > > (CC'ing you dims as you seem to have lots of mailing lits powers so
> may
> > > know
> > > > some way around this?)
> > > >
> > > > ...ant
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com>.
Thank you, Ant.
On 7/18/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> This is now in place and changes to the Tuscany cwiki now have emails sent
> to tuscany-commits
>
> ...ant
>
> On 7/17/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ant,
> >
> > Please drop an email to apmail AT apache.org.
> >
> > thanks,
> > dims
> >
> > On 7/16/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/15/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > If we could get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit mailing
> > > list so its easy to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a very
> > low
> > > bar of entry.
> > >
> > > I had a try at doing this by setting up a cwiki user using the
> > > tuscany-commits@ws.apache.org email address and adding that user as a
> > > watcher of the cwiki space. This works but all the emails from
> > > confluence@apache.org to the tuscany-commits list require moderation
> > which
> > > is a bit of a pain. Does any one know of a way around this? We need some
> > way
> > > to allow confluence@apache.org to post to the tuscany-commits list
> > without
> > > having to subscribe it to the list so we don't send all the commit
> > emails to
> > > confluence@apache.org.
> > >
> > > (CC'ing you dims as you seem to have lots of mailing lits powers so may
> > know
> > > some way around this?)
> > >
> > > ...ant
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
> >
>
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
This is now in place and changes to the Tuscany cwiki now have emails sent
to tuscany-commits
...ant
On 7/17/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ant,
>
> Please drop an email to apmail AT apache.org.
>
> thanks,
> dims
>
> On 7/16/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 7/15/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > If we could get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit mailing
> > list so its easy to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a very
> low
> > bar of entry.
> >
> > I had a try at doing this by setting up a cwiki user using the
> > tuscany-commits@ws.apache.org email address and adding that user as a
> > watcher of the cwiki space. This works but all the emails from
> > confluence@apache.org to the tuscany-commits list require moderation
> which
> > is a bit of a pain. Does any one know of a way around this? We need some
> way
> > to allow confluence@apache.org to post to the tuscany-commits list
> without
> > having to subscribe it to the list so we don't send all the commit
> emails to
> > confluence@apache.org.
> >
> > (CC'ing you dims as you seem to have lots of mailing lits powers so may
> know
> > some way around this?)
> >
> > ...ant
> >
>
>
> --
> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>
Re: Website ACL
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Ant,
Please drop an email to apmail AT apache.org.
thanks,
dims
On 7/16/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/15/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > If we could get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit mailing
> list so its easy to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a very low
> bar of entry.
>
> I had a try at doing this by setting up a cwiki user using the
> tuscany-commits@ws.apache.org email address and adding that user as a
> watcher of the cwiki space. This works but all the emails from
> confluence@apache.org to the tuscany-commits list require moderation which
> is a bit of a pain. Does any one know of a way around this? We need some way
> to allow confluence@apache.org to post to the tuscany-commits list without
> having to subscribe it to the list so we don't send all the commit emails to
> confluence@apache.org.
>
> (CC'ing you dims as you seem to have lots of mailing lits powers so may know
> some way around this?)
>
> ...ant
>
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
On 7/15/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
<snip>
If we could get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit mailing list
> so its easy to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a very low bar
> of entry.
I had a try at doing this by setting up a cwiki user using the
tuscany-commits@ws.apache.org email address and adding that user as a
watcher of the cwiki space. This works but all the emails from
confluence@apache.org to the tuscany-commits list require moderation which
is a bit of a pain. Does any one know of a way around this? We need some way
to allow confluence@apache.org to post to the tuscany-commits list without
having to subscribe it to the list so we don't send all the commit emails to
confluence@apache.org.
(CC'ing you dims as you seem to have lots of mailing lits powers so may know
some way around this?)
...ant
Re: Website ACL
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
The Apache CWIKI page is now quite clear about this (not sure what changed,
i thought some cwiki page used to say the opposite?) -
"An individual person contributing documentation in this way is not required
to be a "committer", but he or she does need to file a CLA, so that there is
no doubt that the individual intends to contribute the copyright on the
documentation to the ASF. Of course, whenever anyone makes "welcome and
sustained contributions" to the documentation, it is appropriate to invite
that person to become a committer and PMC Member, and share in the decision
making." - see http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/.
So no problem, when someone comes along we want to grant access just discuss
and vote on the private list and we can just give them access. If we could
get cwiki change emails sent to the tuscany-commit mailing list so its easy
to give some oversight then I'd be in favour of a very low bar of entry.
...ant
On 7/15/07, Mike Edwards <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I think that we should consider the idea of "Website Wiki committership"
> separately from "Code committership".
>
> I don't think that it should be necessary for someone to have Code
> committership in order to be granted update access to the Website/Wiki.
>
> I do agree that it needs to be controlled, but that we should draw up a
> wider list of folk who are allowed to edit material on the Website. As
> has been pointed out, updates to the website have slowed down since we
> restricted write access. This is not good. Our website needs plenty of
> work.
>
>
> Yours, Mike.
>
> Luciano Resende wrote:
> > My only concern is that, after we restricted access to our wiki, and
> > started using the process of JIRA or updates on the other wiki space,
> > the website contributions basically stopped. I think we had only one
> > JIRA created on this space.
> >
> > On 7/13/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/13/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I was referring to the following paragraph...
> >> >
> >> > "a CLA is required for cover substantial contributions for source.
> >> therefore
> >> > wiki karma must only be granted those with a CLA."
> >>
> >> Yes but that doesn't mean that the converse is also true, ie just
> >> having a
> >> CLA doesn't give the right to be granted wiki karma.
> >>
> >
> > +1
> >
> >> > Robert also says later on :
> >> >
> >> > "a committer is essentially a developer with a CLA "
> >>
> >> and also that "provenance needs to be established and oversight
> >> maintained"
> >>
> >> > If we have control to who gets access, and we are covered, on the
> >> > legal aspects, by having the CLA in place, we should be Ok. What are
> >> > your concerns here ?
> >>
> >> As with the code, it requires more than just having a CLA to be granted
> >> commit access to our SVN.
> >>
> >> > The other two alternatives I see are :
> >> >
> >> > - Make wiki patches, or copies from "ocpy of the website wiki"
> >> > - Make all website contributors a Tuscany committer
> >>
> >> +1, both of these seem appropriate to me. People can raise JIRAs and do
> >> proposed updates on the TUSCANYWIKI space, once they've proven
> >> themselves we
> >> can vote them in as a website committer just like from code
> >> contributions.
> >>
> >> ...ant
> >
> >
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Mike Edwards <mi...@gmail.com>.
Folks,
I think that we should consider the idea of "Website Wiki committership"
separately from "Code committership".
I don't think that it should be necessary for someone to have Code
committership in order to be granted update access to the Website/Wiki.
I do agree that it needs to be controlled, but that we should draw up a
wider list of folk who are allowed to edit material on the Website. As
has been pointed out, updates to the website have slowed down since we
restricted write access. This is not good. Our website needs plenty of
work.
Yours, Mike.
Luciano Resende wrote:
> My only concern is that, after we restricted access to our wiki, and
> started using the process of JIRA or updates on the other wiki space,
> the website contributions basically stopped. I think we had only one
> JIRA created on this space.
>
> On 7/13/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 7/13/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I was referring to the following paragraph...
>> >
>> > "a CLA is required for cover substantial contributions for source.
>> therefore
>> > wiki karma must only be granted those with a CLA."
>>
>> Yes but that doesn't mean that the converse is also true, ie just
>> having a
>> CLA doesn't give the right to be granted wiki karma.
>>
>
> +1
>
>> > Robert also says later on :
>> >
>> > "a committer is essentially a developer with a CLA "
>>
>> and also that "provenance needs to be established and oversight
>> maintained"
>>
>> > If we have control to who gets access, and we are covered, on the
>> > legal aspects, by having the CLA in place, we should be Ok. What are
>> > your concerns here ?
>>
>> As with the code, it requires more than just having a CLA to be granted
>> commit access to our SVN.
>>
>> > The other two alternatives I see are :
>> >
>> > - Make wiki patches, or copies from "ocpy of the website wiki"
>> > - Make all website contributors a Tuscany committer
>>
>> +1, both of these seem appropriate to me. People can raise JIRAs and do
>> proposed updates on the TUSCANYWIKI space, once they've proven
>> themselves we
>> can vote them in as a website committer just like from code
>> contributions.
>>
>> ...ant
>
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
My only concern is that, after we restricted access to our wiki, and
started using the process of JIRA or updates on the other wiki space,
the website contributions basically stopped. I think we had only one
JIRA created on this space.
On 7/13/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/13/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was referring to the following paragraph...
> >
> > "a CLA is required for cover substantial contributions for source.
> therefore
> > wiki karma must only be granted those with a CLA."
>
> Yes but that doesn't mean that the converse is also true, ie just having a
> CLA doesn't give the right to be granted wiki karma.
>
+1
> > Robert also says later on :
> >
> > "a committer is essentially a developer with a CLA "
>
> and also that "provenance needs to be established and oversight maintained"
>
> > If we have control to who gets access, and we are covered, on the
> > legal aspects, by having the CLA in place, we should be Ok. What are
> > your concerns here ?
>
> As with the code, it requires more than just having a CLA to be granted
> commit access to our SVN.
>
> > The other two alternatives I see are :
> >
> > - Make wiki patches, or copies from "ocpy of the website wiki"
> > - Make all website contributors a Tuscany committer
>
> +1, both of these seem appropriate to me. People can raise JIRAs and do
> proposed updates on the TUSCANYWIKI space, once they've proven themselves we
> can vote them in as a website committer just like from code contributions.
>
> ...ant
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
On 7/13/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was referring to the following paragraph...
>
> "a CLA is required for cover substantial contributions for source.
> therefore
> wiki karma must only be granted those with a CLA."
Yes but that doesn't mean that the converse is also true, ie just having a
CLA doesn't give the right to be granted wiki karma.
Robert also says later on :
>
> "a committer is essentially a developer with a CLA "
and also that "provenance needs to be established and oversight maintained"
If we have control to who gets access, and we are covered, on the
> legal aspects, by having the CLA in place, we should be Ok. What are
> your concerns here ?
As with the code, it requires more than just having a CLA to be granted
commit access to our SVN.
The other two alternatives I see are :
>
> - Make wiki patches, or copies from "ocpy of the website wiki"
> - Make all website contributors a Tuscany committer
+1, both of these seem appropriate to me. People can raise JIRAs and do
proposed updates on the TUSCANYWIKI space, once they've proven themselves we
can vote them in as a website committer just like from code contributions.
...ant
Re: Website ACL
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
I was referring to the following paragraph...
"a CLA is required for cover substantial contributions for source. therefore
wiki karma must only be granted those with a CLA."
Robert also says later on :
"a committer is essentially a developer with a CLA "
If we have control to who gets access, and we are covered, on the
legal aspects, by having the CLA in place, we should be Ok. What are
your concerns here ?
The other two alternatives I see are :
- Make wiki patches, or copies from "ocpy of the website wiki"
- Make all website contributors a Tuscany committer
Thoughts ? Suggestions ?
On 7/13/07, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> I'm not sure I follow how it gets from the reply at [1] to giving any old
> person with a CLA on file write access to our website?
>
> "i'm not sure that policy is required: just an understanding and application
> of the usual apache process...documentation is as important as code. both
> are source and the same rulesapply. provenance needs to be established and
> oversight maintained."
>
> That to me says you need to be a committer. Fine to give anyone with a CLA
> on file who asks write access to the separate TUSCANYWIKI space but I think
> the actual project website needs to be more controlled than that.
>
> ...ant
>
> On 7/10/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Based on the following discussion on Apache General [1], I'd like to
> > give Website write permissions to members of the community that have a
> > CLA on file [2].
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> >
> > [1]
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg14391.html
> > [2] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
> >
> > --
> > Luciano Resende
> > Apache Tuscany Committer
> > http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> > http://lresende.blogspot.com/
> >
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
I'm not sure I follow how it gets from the reply at [1] to giving any old
person with a CLA on file write access to our website?
"i'm not sure that policy is required: just an understanding and application
of the usual apache process...documentation is as important as code. both
are source and the same rulesapply. provenance needs to be established and
oversight maintained."
That to me says you need to be a committer. Fine to give anyone with a CLA
on file who asks write access to the separate TUSCANYWIKI space but I think
the actual project website needs to be more controlled than that.
...ant
On 7/10/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Based on the following discussion on Apache General [1], I'd like to
> give Website write permissions to members of the community that have a
> CLA on file [2].
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> [1]
> http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg14391.html
> [2] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> Apache Tuscany Committer
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>.
I'd like write access please. I have a CLA in place. Thank you.
On 7/10/07, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Simon, this is exactly what I had in mind. Members of the
> Tuscany comunity, that are not committers (yet) but have a CLA in
> place would be granted access to the Tuscany website "on request".
>
>
> On 7/10/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 on Simon's suggestion.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Raymond
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Nash" <na...@hursley.ibm.com>
> > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Website ACL
> >
> >
> > > This ia a really huge list. Most of these people have no connection
> > > with Tuscany. Perhaps write access could be "on request" for people
> > > who have a CLA in place.
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > > P.S. I'll be sending my CLA to Apache asap :-)
> > >
> > > Luciano Resende wrote:
> > >
> > >> Based on the following discussion on Apache General [1], I'd like to
> > >> give Website write permissions to members of the community that have
> a
> > >> CLA on file [2].
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts ?
> > >>
> > >> [1]
> > >>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg14391.html
> > >> [2] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Simon, this is exactly what I had in mind. Members of the
Tuscany comunity, that are not committers (yet) but have a CLA in
place would be granted access to the Tuscany website "on request".
On 7/10/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 on Simon's suggestion.
>
> Thanks,
> Raymond
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Nash" <na...@hursley.ibm.com>
> To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Website ACL
>
>
> > This ia a really huge list. Most of these people have no connection
> > with Tuscany. Perhaps write access could be "on request" for people
> > who have a CLA in place.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > P.S. I'll be sending my CLA to Apache asap :-)
> >
> > Luciano Resende wrote:
> >
> >> Based on the following discussion on Apache General [1], I'd like to
> >> give Website write permissions to members of the community that have a
> >> CLA on file [2].
> >>
> >> Thoughts ?
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg14391.html
> >> [2] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>.
+1 on Simon's suggestion.
Thanks,
Raymond
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Nash" <na...@hursley.ibm.com>
To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Website ACL
> This ia a really huge list. Most of these people have no connection
> with Tuscany. Perhaps write access could be "on request" for people
> who have a CLA in place.
>
> Simon
>
> P.S. I'll be sending my CLA to Apache asap :-)
>
> Luciano Resende wrote:
>
>> Based on the following discussion on Apache General [1], I'd like to
>> give Website write permissions to members of the community that have a
>> CLA on file [2].
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg14391.html
>> [2] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Website ACL
Posted by Simon Nash <na...@hursley.ibm.com>.
This ia a really huge list. Most of these people have no connection
with Tuscany. Perhaps write access could be "on request" for people
who have a CLA in place.
Simon
P.S. I'll be sending my CLA to Apache asap :-)
Luciano Resende wrote:
> Based on the following discussion on Apache General [1], I'd like to
> give Website write permissions to members of the community that have a
> CLA on file [2].
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> [1]
> http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40incubator.apache.org/msg14391.html
> [2] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
>
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