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Posted to solr-user@lucene.apache.org by "Sharma, Abhinav" <ab...@thermofisher.com> on 2017/12/13 20:18:46 UTC
Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
Hello Folks,
Currently, we are running FAST ESP as a Search System & are looking to migrate from FAST ESP to SOLR.
I was just wondering if you Guys have any built-in Relevancy tool for the Business Folks like what we have in FAST called SBC (Search Business Center)?
Thanks, Abhi
Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
Posted by Doug Turnbull <dt...@opensourceconnections.com>.
Yes, in general these sorts of tools are not open source. Splainer is the
only one listed above that is open source.
Querqy is one potential open source solution:
https://github.com/renekrie/querqy
Best!
-Doug
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:16 PM David Hastings <DH...@wshein.com> wrote:
> lucidworks fusion is not open source
>
>
>
> David J. Hastings | Lead Developer
> dhastings@wshein.com | 716.882.2600 x 176 <(716)%20882-2600>
>
> William S. Hein & Co., Inc.
> 2350 North Forest Road | Getzville, NY 14068
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=2350+North+Forest+Road+%7C+Getzville,+NY+14068&entry=gmail&source=g>
> www.wshein.com/contact-us
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Doug Turnbull <dt...@opensourceconnections.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:47 PM
> To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
> Cc: Sherrill, Marty; Lu, David T.
> Subject: Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
>
> I would also add Lucidworks Fusion to the list. Its a more powerful /
> feature-rich end-to-end solution built on top of Solr. It has various tools
> friendly for business users, but comes with lots of other functionality you
> may or may not find useful.
>
> Best
> -Doug
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:44 PM Doug Turnbull <
> dturnbull@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
>
> > There's a lot of tools out there that target different audiences
> >
> > Splainer - Open source, dev focused, but helps business users understand
> > results
> > http://splainer.io
> >
> > Quepid - Product (our company's product), relevance tool for keeping
> > business owners and developer in sync on relevance tuning across multiple
> > queries
> > http://quepid.com
> >
> > FindTuner - Product, e-commerce focused, merchandiser focused tool for
> Solr
> > http://findtuner.com
> >
> > I'm sure there's others out there, but may depend on requirements. Solr
> is
> > a pretty generic search tool, not focused on a specific domain, so
> > depending on the audience, there might be different tools...
> >
> > Hope that helps
> > -Doug
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:39 PM Sharma, Abhinav <
> > abhinav.sharma@thermofisher.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Folks,
> >>
> >> Currently, we are running FAST ESP as a Search System & are looking to
> >> migrate from FAST ESP to SOLR.
> >> I was just wondering if you Guys have any built-in Relevancy tool for
> the
> >> Business Folks like what we have in FAST called SBC (Search Business
> >> Center)?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Abhi
> >>
> > --
> > Consultant, OpenSource Connections. Contact info at
> > http://o19s.com/about-us/doug-turnbull/; Free/Busy (
> > http://bit.ly/dougs_cal)
> >
> --
> Consultant, OpenSource Connections. Contact info at
> http://o19s.com/about-us/doug-turnbull/; Free/Busy (
> http://bit.ly/dougs_cal)
>
--
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Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
Posted by David Hastings <DH...@wshein.com>.
lucidworks fusion is not open source
David J. Hastings | Lead Developer
dhastings@wshein.com | 716.882.2600 x 176
William S. Hein & Co., Inc.
2350 North Forest Road | Getzville, NY 14068
www.wshein.com/contact-us
________________________________________
From: Doug Turnbull <dt...@opensourceconnections.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:47 PM
To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
Cc: Sherrill, Marty; Lu, David T.
Subject: Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
I would also add Lucidworks Fusion to the list. Its a more powerful /
feature-rich end-to-end solution built on top of Solr. It has various tools
friendly for business users, but comes with lots of other functionality you
may or may not find useful.
Best
-Doug
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:44 PM Doug Turnbull <
dturnbull@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
> There's a lot of tools out there that target different audiences
>
> Splainer - Open source, dev focused, but helps business users understand
> results
> http://splainer.io
>
> Quepid - Product (our company's product), relevance tool for keeping
> business owners and developer in sync on relevance tuning across multiple
> queries
> http://quepid.com
>
> FindTuner - Product, e-commerce focused, merchandiser focused tool for Solr
> http://findtuner.com
>
> I'm sure there's others out there, but may depend on requirements. Solr is
> a pretty generic search tool, not focused on a specific domain, so
> depending on the audience, there might be different tools...
>
> Hope that helps
> -Doug
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:39 PM Sharma, Abhinav <
> abhinav.sharma@thermofisher.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Folks,
>>
>> Currently, we are running FAST ESP as a Search System & are looking to
>> migrate from FAST ESP to SOLR.
>> I was just wondering if you Guys have any built-in Relevancy tool for the
>> Business Folks like what we have in FAST called SBC (Search Business
>> Center)?
>>
>> Thanks, Abhi
>>
> --
> Consultant, OpenSource Connections. Contact info at
> http://o19s.com/about-us/doug-turnbull/; Free/Busy (
> http://bit.ly/dougs_cal)
>
--
Consultant, OpenSource Connections. Contact info at
http://o19s.com/about-us/doug-turnbull/; Free/Busy (http://bit.ly/dougs_cal)
Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
Posted by Doug Turnbull <dt...@opensourceconnections.com>.
I would also add Lucidworks Fusion to the list. Its a more powerful /
feature-rich end-to-end solution built on top of Solr. It has various tools
friendly for business users, but comes with lots of other functionality you
may or may not find useful.
Best
-Doug
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:44 PM Doug Turnbull <
dturnbull@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
> There's a lot of tools out there that target different audiences
>
> Splainer - Open source, dev focused, but helps business users understand
> results
> http://splainer.io
>
> Quepid - Product (our company's product), relevance tool for keeping
> business owners and developer in sync on relevance tuning across multiple
> queries
> http://quepid.com
>
> FindTuner - Product, e-commerce focused, merchandiser focused tool for Solr
> http://findtuner.com
>
> I'm sure there's others out there, but may depend on requirements. Solr is
> a pretty generic search tool, not focused on a specific domain, so
> depending on the audience, there might be different tools...
>
> Hope that helps
> -Doug
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:39 PM Sharma, Abhinav <
> abhinav.sharma@thermofisher.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Folks,
>>
>> Currently, we are running FAST ESP as a Search System & are looking to
>> migrate from FAST ESP to SOLR.
>> I was just wondering if you Guys have any built-in Relevancy tool for the
>> Business Folks like what we have in FAST called SBC (Search Business
>> Center)?
>>
>> Thanks, Abhi
>>
> --
> Consultant, OpenSource Connections. Contact info at
> http://o19s.com/about-us/doug-turnbull/; Free/Busy (
> http://bit.ly/dougs_cal)
>
--
Consultant, OpenSource Connections. Contact info at
http://o19s.com/about-us/doug-turnbull/; Free/Busy (http://bit.ly/dougs_cal)
Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
Posted by Doug Turnbull <dt...@opensourceconnections.com>.
There's a lot of tools out there that target different audiences
Splainer - Open source, dev focused, but helps business users understand
results
http://splainer.io
Quepid - Product (our company's product), relevance tool for keeping
business owners and developer in sync on relevance tuning across multiple
queries
http://quepid.com
FindTuner - Product, e-commerce focused, merchandiser focused tool for Solr
http://findtuner.com
I'm sure there's others out there, but may depend on requirements. Solr is
a pretty generic search tool, not focused on a specific domain, so
depending on the audience, there might be different tools...
Hope that helps
-Doug
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:39 PM Sharma, Abhinav <
abhinav.sharma@thermofisher.com> wrote:
> Hello Folks,
>
> Currently, we are running FAST ESP as a Search System & are looking to
> migrate from FAST ESP to SOLR.
> I was just wondering if you Guys have any built-in Relevancy tool for the
> Business Folks like what we have in FAST called SBC (Search Business
> Center)?
>
> Thanks, Abhi
>
--
Consultant, OpenSource Connections. Contact info at
http://o19s.com/about-us/doug-turnbull/; Free/Busy (http://bit.ly/dougs_cal)
Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
Posted by "Petersen, Robert (Contr)" <ro...@ftr.com>.
I remember when FAST (when it was still FAST) came to our enterprise to pitch their search when we were looking to replace our alta vista search engine with *something* and they demonstrated that relevance tool for business side. While that thing was awesome, I've never seen anything close to it in the solr world where I ended up going instead of the soon to be doomed FAST search. Also that tool was totally manual and of limited use in a very large corpus/catalog. Sort of like just applying a bandaid to a larger problem.
Splainer will only detail the reasons things show up in one query but won't solve a bigger relevancy problem. On the other hand, there are several ways to skin this cat. There are solutions which analyze logs for outlying cases and feed back into solr these results to automatically improve relevancy. I don't think most any of these are open source and some are quite proprietary.
If your company could afford to assign a buisdev guy to tweeking individual searches, I'm sure they could instead get some jr devs to go over query logs inspecting outlying cases like zero results/too many results then look at if it is a data issue or a query issue. And then recommend changes in the appropriate domain.
Thanks
Robi
________________________________
From: Charlie Hull <ch...@flax.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:24:42 AM
To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
Subject: Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
On 13/12/2017 20:18, Sharma, Abhinav wrote:
> Hello Folks,
>
> Currently, we are running FAST ESP as a Search System & are looking to migrate from FAST ESP to SOLR.
> I was just wondering if you Guys have any built-in Relevancy tool for the Business Folks like what we have in FAST called SBC (Search Business Center)?
>
> Thanks, Abhi
>
I'd second Quepid as we've used it for several projects where migration
is an issue (disclaimer: we're partners with OSC and resell Quepid).
Migration is a tricky thing to get right: the business side want the new
engine to behave like the old one, but don't understand the technical
issues when you're putting in a totally different core engine; technical
folks don't necessarily understand the business drivers behind making
the transition as painless as possible for users. Developing tests (and
being able to compare both sets of search results) is essential.
Remember that you might even have to replicate some 'wrong' behaviour of
the old engine as people are used to it!
Cheers
Charlie
--
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Flax - Open Source Enterprise Search
tel/fax: +44 (0)8700 118334
mobile: +44 (0)7767 825828
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Re: Any Insights SOLR Rank tuning tool
Posted by Charlie Hull <ch...@flax.co.uk>.
On 13/12/2017 20:18, Sharma, Abhinav wrote:
> Hello Folks,
>
> Currently, we are running FAST ESP as a Search System & are looking to migrate from FAST ESP to SOLR.
> I was just wondering if you Guys have any built-in Relevancy tool for the Business Folks like what we have in FAST called SBC (Search Business Center)?
>
> Thanks, Abhi
>
I'd second Quepid as we've used it for several projects where migration
is an issue (disclaimer: we're partners with OSC and resell Quepid).
Migration is a tricky thing to get right: the business side want the new
engine to behave like the old one, but don't understand the technical
issues when you're putting in a totally different core engine; technical
folks don't necessarily understand the business drivers behind making
the transition as painless as possible for users. Developing tests (and
being able to compare both sets of search results) is essential.
Remember that you might even have to replicate some 'wrong' behaviour of
the old engine as people are used to it!
Cheers
Charlie
--
Charlie Hull
Flax - Open Source Enterprise Search
tel/fax: +44 (0)8700 118334
mobile: +44 (0)7767 825828
web: www.flax.co.uk