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WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Hi! I've been working for three years now with WebObjects, and two years with Tapestry. Does anybody knows where can I find a good comparison matrix
between java frameworks for developing web based user interfaces? I have my own ideas about them, but I want another look at the subject.
Thanks!
Re: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Posted by ron <ro...@gmx.net>.
point your news reader to this newsgroup at gmane and look 3 threads back.
ציטוט Ing. Gaston Blanco:
>Hi! I've been working for three years now with WebObjects, and two years with Tapestry. Does anybody knows where can I find a good comparison matrix
>between java frameworks for developing web based user interfaces? I have my own ideas about them, but I want another look at the subject.
>
>Thanks!
>
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RE: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Posted by Francis Amanfo <fa...@tydex.com>.
+1
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Karthik Abram wrote:
> What is your own opinion on webobjects vs Tapestry given your experience?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ing. Gaston Blanco [mailto:cuervoblanco@ciudad.com.ar]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:39 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
>
>
> Hi! I've been working for three years now with WebObjects, and two years
> with Tapestry. Does anybody knows where can I find a good comparison matrix
> between java frameworks for developing web based user interfaces? I have my
> own ideas about them, but I want another look at the subject.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Posted by Alexis Tual <a....@fylab.com>.
> Alexis,
>
> i've used EOF for three year, and we had a really bad experienced. It
> has multiple problems with inheritance mapping, notification
> distribution, multiple channels to the database, etc. I recommend you
> choosing another Object Mapping Tool framework as Hibernate.
>
I've used EOF for the past few months and it has worked fine with my
projects (no inheritance mapping thought ).
> What I liked of WebObjects was WOF, wich I think is more mature than
> Tapestry
>
I think WOF is the simplest way to do component based web applications,
it has served us very well.
Each project brings his new homemade component, and i look forward to
obtain the same level of reusability with Tapestry without pain.
Alexis
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Re: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Posted by "Ing. Gaston Blanco" <cu...@ciudad.com.ar>.
Alexis,
i've used EOF for three year, and we had a really bad experienced. It has
multiple problems with inheritance mapping, notification distribution,
multiple channels to the database, etc. I recommend you choosing another
Object Mapping Tool framework as Hibernate.
What I liked of WebObjects was WOF, wich I think is more mature than
Tapestry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexis Tual" <a....@fylab.com>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
> I've been working for several month with WebObjects and i'm about to
> slowly
> switch for a newest framework like Tapestry.
> In my opinion, while Tapestry shows some similarities with WO, enchancing
> some points (great Forms Validation, browser back issue,...),
> it won't let us have the same productivity we have with WO. Mainly
> because of WO's powerfull visual tool
> that let you set bindings, add components to the current page very very
> quickly.
> Indeed, WO documentation (the one you buy, by the way now it costs
> 250$ -_-) is really really awesome.
> The point is WO is no more developped, marketed by Apple and it has flaws
> too (non XML markup for template, specifications...)
> so we have to move on.
> I have a related question: Has someone successfully experienced EOF (WO
> ORM framework) + Tapestry ?
>
> Thanks for the feedback !
>
>
>> What is your own opinion on webobjects vs Tapestry given your experience?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ing. Gaston Blanco [mailto:cuervoblanco@ciudad.com.ar]
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:39 PM
>> To: Tapestry users
>> Subject: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
>>
>>
>> Hi! I've been working for three years now with WebObjects, and two years
>> with Tapestry. Does anybody knows where can I find a good comparison
>> matrix
>> between java frameworks for developing web based user interfaces? I have
>> my
>> own ideas about them, but I want another look at the subject.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>
>
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Re: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Posted by Alexis Tual <a....@fylab.com>.
Thanks for the feedback!
The NSArray/NSDictionary issue had never come to my mind... and that's
a big one -_-
Moving away from WO was planned in 2 steps for us:
EOF + Tapestry and then Hibernate (high learning curve for EOF zealots)
+ Tapestry.
I guess, we'll have to switch our Data layer sooner then.
Cayenne + Tapestry seems like a fine replacement for WO...
Alexis
> I just recently looked into using EOF with Tapestry (sees thread on
> WebObjects-dev mailing list with subject: de-coupling EOF) and after
> much thinking I've decided to use Cayenne. Coming from EOF Hibernate
> feels bizarre whereas Cayenne is basically a clone of EOF in many ways
> including a clone of EOModeler that works really well. But the
> main issue with de-coupling EOF for me was the problem of having to
> constantly move from the EOF Java Foundation classes NSArray,
> NSDictionary, etc to java.util.List and java.util.Map so that you
> could use Tapestry and the thousands of other frameworks you may want
> to use that rely on Collections. Why apple hasn't made those classes
> implement the Collection interfaces is ridiculous. You could create
> wrapper classes that call the NSArray/NSDictionary methods but again,
> extra overhead and work for not much gain. Plus Apple's comments at
> the 2004 WWDC about WebObjects essentially not needing any more
> development was a bit disheartening. If Apple releases a new
> version along with XCode 2.0 then maybe I'd switch back but other then
> that it's hard to swallow starting a new project without any feedback
> or roadmap as to where WebObjects is going.
>
> My 2 cents
> Mike
>
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Re: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Posted by Michael Engelhart <mo...@gmail.com>.
I just recently looked into using EOF with Tapestry (sees thread on
WebObjects-dev mailing list with subject: de-coupling EOF) and after
much thinking I've decided to use Cayenne. Coming from EOF Hibernate
feels bizarre whereas Cayenne is basically a clone of EOF in many ways
including a clone of EOModeler that works really well. But the
main issue with de-coupling EOF for me was the problem of having to
constantly move from the EOF Java Foundation classes NSArray,
NSDictionary, etc to java.util.List and java.util.Map so that you
could use Tapestry and the thousands of other frameworks you may want
to use that rely on Collections. Why apple hasn't made those classes
implement the Collection interfaces is ridiculous. You could create
wrapper classes that call the NSArray/NSDictionary methods but again,
extra overhead and work for not much gain. Plus Apple's comments at
the 2004 WWDC about WebObjects essentially not needing any more
development was a bit disheartening. If Apple releases a new
version along with XCode 2.0 then maybe I'd switch back but other then
that it's hard to swallow starting a new project without any feedback
or roadmap as to where WebObjects is going.
My 2 cents
Mike
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:10:03 +0100, Alexis Tual <a....@fylab.com> wrote:
> I've been working for several month with WebObjects and i'm about to
> slowly
> switch for a newest framework like Tapestry.
> In my opinion, while Tapestry shows some similarities with WO,
> enchancing some points (great Forms Validation, browser back
> issue,...),
> it won't let us have the same productivity we have with WO. Mainly
> because of WO's powerfull visual tool
> that let you set bindings, add components to the current page very very
> quickly.
> Indeed, WO documentation (the one you buy, by the way now it costs 250$
> -_-) is really really awesome.
> The point is WO is no more developped, marketed by Apple and it has
> flaws too (non XML markup for template, specifications...)
> so we have to move on.
> I have a related question: Has someone successfully experienced EOF (WO
> ORM framework) + Tapestry ?
>
> Thanks for the feedback !
>
>
> > What is your own opinion on webobjects vs Tapestry given your
> > experience?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ing. Gaston Blanco [mailto:cuervoblanco@ciudad.com.ar]
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:39 PM
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
> >
> >
> > Hi! I've been working for three years now with WebObjects, and two
> > years
> > with Tapestry. Does anybody knows where can I find a good comparison
> > matrix
> > between java frameworks for developing web based user interfaces? I
> > have my
> > own ideas about them, but I want another look at the subject.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
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Re: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Posted by Alexis Tual <a....@fylab.com>.
I've been working for several month with WebObjects and i'm about to
slowly
switch for a newest framework like Tapestry.
In my opinion, while Tapestry shows some similarities with WO,
enchancing some points (great Forms Validation, browser back
issue,...),
it won't let us have the same productivity we have with WO. Mainly
because of WO's powerfull visual tool
that let you set bindings, add components to the current page very very
quickly.
Indeed, WO documentation (the one you buy, by the way now it costs 250$
-_-) is really really awesome.
The point is WO is no more developped, marketed by Apple and it has
flaws too (non XML markup for template, specifications...)
so we have to move on.
I have a related question: Has someone successfully experienced EOF (WO
ORM framework) + Tapestry ?
Thanks for the feedback !
> What is your own opinion on webobjects vs Tapestry given your
> experience?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ing. Gaston Blanco [mailto:cuervoblanco@ciudad.com.ar]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:39 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
>
>
> Hi! I've been working for three years now with WebObjects, and two
> years
> with Tapestry. Does anybody knows where can I find a good comparison
> matrix
> between java frameworks for developing web based user interfaces? I
> have my
> own ideas about them, but I want another look at the subject.
>
> Thanks!
>
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RE: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Posted by Karthik Abram <ka...@neovera.com>.
What is your own opinion on webobjects vs Tapestry given your experience?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ing. Gaston Blanco [mailto:cuervoblanco@ciudad.com.ar]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:39 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: WebObjects vs Tapestry vs Struts vs. JSF vs...
Hi! I've been working for three years now with WebObjects, and two years
with Tapestry. Does anybody knows where can I find a good comparison matrix
between java frameworks for developing web based user interfaces? I have my
own ideas about them, but I want another look at the subject.
Thanks!
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