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Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Danny Angus            Diane Holt            Martin Poeschl
Nicola Ken Barozzi     Larry Isaacs          Dmitri Plotnikov
Stefan Bodewig         John Keyes            Sam Ruby
Peter Carlson          Thomas Mahler         Scott Sanders
Martin Cooper          Conor MacNeill        David Sean Taylor
Morgan Delagrange      Geir Magnusson Jr.    Glen Stampoultzis
Robert Burrel Donkin   Remy Maucherat        James Strachan
Ted Husted             Craig McClanahan      Mladen Turk
Ceki Gülcü             Costin Manolache      James Turner
Henri Gomez            Glenn Nielsen         Rod Waldhoff
Otis Gospodnetic       Andrew C Oliver       Henri Yandell

- Sam Ruby


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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Santiago Gala <sg...@hisitech.com>.
Sam Ruby wrote:
(...)
> 
> OUCH!
> 
> I stand corrected.  Thanks Pete.
> 
> When updating the official list (in the committers repository, directory 
>  board/committee-info.txt), it occurred to me that a three column format 
> might be easier to read, so I wrote a little script. Unfortunately, a 
> roundoff error made *two* people not appear on the list as 35 is not 
> evenly divisible by three).
> 

We can blame Pier Paolo Fumagalli for this one. 36 would not have raised
such a "politically incorrect" bug. ;-)

Regards,
      Santiago (walking on thin ice, WRT jokes)


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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
I don't plan on continuing this thread.  dIon, it certainly seems to me 
that at the present time you are going to great lengths to try to twist 
things to their worst possible meaning.  Perhaps it is time that we all 
take a break and calm down.

Majority vote simply means what it means.  It certainly does not mean 
that any one individual can veto a release simply because they don't 
like another person.

Jakarta has a number of cases where certain individuals did not care for 
one another, and yet even in the most difficult of times, I have found 
that the participants have acted like adults and releases were made.

dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote on 04/03/2003 10:24:53 AM:
> 
> 
>>dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>>
>>>"Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 
>>
> AM:
> 
>>>>I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
>>>>word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
>>>>community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
>>>>changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 
>>>
> 
>>>>I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain 
>>>
> that 
> 
>>>>the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.
>>>>
>>>>One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically 
>>>
> exclude 
> 
>>>>Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
>>>>participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
>>>>graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 
>>>
> 
>>>>the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
>>>>personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 
>>>
> 
>>>>from the situation rather than the other way around. 
>>>
>>>Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these 
>>
> aims 
> 
>>>under the current PMC?
>>>
>>>I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are 
>>>currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening.
>>
>>Given the context, I can only presume that Andy was referring to emails 
>>such as this one [1].  If I am incorrect, I expect Andy will correct me.
> 
> 
> Given [2] and [3], I would have thought it reasonably obvious that this 
> was not intended for public review, and that Jason was unusually stressed 
> by family events.
> 
> This is the second time that particular email has been referenced without 
> context, which I find a little inconsiderate to both Nicola and Jason, 
> given the cirumstances.
> 
> But anyways, Jason is not a project (James is :) ), and, as on most other 
> jakarta projects, one person doesn't make the decisions.
> 
> Personality conflicts and that one person doesn't 'get along' with another 
> is something that we all learn to deal with in real life. That it happens 
> @ Apache should be of no great surprise. I don't expect the Jakarta 
> Project, or the ASF, to be perfect, and will work around the issues that 
> crop up. Other people will do what they see as right.
> 
> 
>>How will the new PMC stop this from happening?  I have not specified a 
>>timetable for this change to occur (I am being very careful and 
>>deliberate in the evolotion of the current structure of Jakarta to 
>>conform to the wishes of the ASF board), but the direction Jakarta is 
>>heading is to make the release votes of any software from Jakarta to be 
>>the purvue of the PMC.  In other words, only PMC members can issue 
>>binding votes on such matters.  Note that such votes are by design 
>>majority votes, so are not subject to veto.
> 
> What does this mean, exactly? 
> That if the Jakarta PMC doesn't like the behaviour of one person on a 
> project, they will veto the release of software that the person was 
> involved in creating? I'm hoping I misunderstand you on this.
> 
> 
> [2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448423329090&w=2
> [3] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448469829716&w=2
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote on 04/03/2003 10:24:53 AM:

> dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> > "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 
AM:
> > 
> >>I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
> >>word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
> >>community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
> >>changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 

> >>I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain 
that 
> >>the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.
> >>
> >>One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically 
exclude 
> >>Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
> >>participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
> >>graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 

> >>the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
> >>personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 

> >>from the situation rather than the other way around. 
> > 
> > Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these 
aims 
> > under the current PMC?
> > 
> > I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are 
> > currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening.
> 
> Given the context, I can only presume that Andy was referring to emails 
> such as this one [1].  If I am incorrect, I expect Andy will correct me.

Given [2] and [3], I would have thought it reasonably obvious that this 
was not intended for public review, and that Jason was unusually stressed 
by family events.

This is the second time that particular email has been referenced without 
context, which I find a little inconsiderate to both Nicola and Jason, 
given the cirumstances.

But anyways, Jason is not a project (James is :) ), and, as on most other 
jakarta projects, one person doesn't make the decisions.

Personality conflicts and that one person doesn't 'get along' with another 
is something that we all learn to deal with in real life. That it happens 
@ Apache should be of no great surprise. I don't expect the Jakarta 
Project, or the ASF, to be perfect, and will work around the issues that 
crop up. Other people will do what they see as right.

> How will the new PMC stop this from happening?  I have not specified a 
> timetable for this change to occur (I am being very careful and 
> deliberate in the evolotion of the current structure of Jakarta to 
> conform to the wishes of the ASF board), but the direction Jakarta is 
> heading is to make the release votes of any software from Jakarta to be 
> the purvue of the PMC.  In other words, only PMC members can issue 
> binding votes on such matters.  Note that such votes are by design 
> majority votes, so are not subject to veto.
What does this mean, exactly? 
That if the Jakarta PMC doesn't like the behaviour of one person on a 
project, they will veto the release of software that the person was 
involved in creating? I'm hoping I misunderstand you on this.


[2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448423329090&w=2
[3] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448469829716&w=2
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 AM:
> 
>>I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
>>word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
>>community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
>>changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 
>>I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain that 
>>the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.
>>
>>One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude 
>>Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
>>participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
>>graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 
>>the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
>>personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 
>>from the situation rather than the other way around. 
> 
> Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims 
> under the current PMC?
> 
> I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are 
> currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening.

Given the context, I can only presume that Andy was referring to emails 
such as this one [1].  If I am incorrect, I expect Andy will correct me.

How will the new PMC stop this from happening?  I have not specified a 
timetable for this change to occur (I am being very careful and 
deliberate in the evolotion of the current structure of Jakarta to 
conform to the wishes of the ASF board), but the direction Jakarta is 
heading is to make the release votes of any software from Jakarta to be 
the purvue of the PMC.  In other words, only PMC members can issue 
binding votes on such matters.  Note that such votes are by design 
majority votes, so are not subject to veto.

Before this change occurs, I have been supporting the efforts of various 
subprojects to become independent projects, and to significantly expand 
the membership of the Jakarta PMC.

Furthermore, I expect that the resolution to establish the Maven PMC 
will be satisfactorily resolved long before the change I describe above 
is put into place.

Note: even if there is a chairman change for Jakarta, the chairman would 
still need to address the same concerns of the ASF board in this matter.

> --
> dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> Blog:      http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
> Work:      http://www.multitask.com.au

[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448400328715&w=2


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Re: Jakarta-POI 1.10.0-dev released

Posted by Glen Stampoultzis <gs...@iinet.net.au>.
At 05:22 AM 6/03/2003, you wrote:
>this page contains more detailed advice about setting up the mirroring:
>
>http://cvs.apache.org/~bodewig/mirror.html

Thanks for that.  I'll look into it when I have some spare cycles.

-- Glen



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Re: Jakarta-POI 1.10.0-dev released

Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
this page contains more detailed advice about setting up the mirroring:

http://cvs.apache.org/~bodewig/mirror.html

- robert

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 03:59 AM, Kurt Schrader wrote:

> Google says:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/mirrors.html
>
> -Kurt
>
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>
>> Thanks for trying but it doesn't exactly say HOW does one prepare a
>> release such that it will/can be mirrored.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>> Magesh Umasankar wrote:
>>
>>> Glen can find some pointers here:
>>> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-httpd-dev&m=103578980325833&w=2
>>>
>>> Not trying to be picky, but in addition to poi-dev and poi-user,
>>> an announcement sent to announcements@jakarta.apache.org would be
>>> more appropriate and target the right audience, IMHO.
>>>
>>> Congrats on the release!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Magesh
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>
>>> To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>
>>> While I was on my Western US tour, Glen cut the next "dev" release of
>>> POI.  You may find it here:
>>> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/src/ and
>>> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/bin/
>>>
>>> Why we skipped a release number, only Glen would know.  :-)
>>>
>>> We do not yet follow whatever conventions we're supposed to be following
>>> for mirroring because no one has described it intelligibly on any public
>>> list to which Glen is subscribed.
>>>
>>> Enjoy.
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>>
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Re: Jakarta-POI 1.10.0-dev released

Posted by Kurt Schrader <ks...@karmalab.org>.
Google says:
http://www.apache.org/dev/mirrors.html

-Kurt

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> Thanks for trying but it doesn't exactly say HOW does one prepare a
> release such that it will/can be mirrored.
>
> -Andy
>
> Magesh Umasankar wrote:
>
> >Glen can find some pointers here:
> >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-httpd-dev&m=103578980325833&w=2
> >
> >Not trying to be picky, but in addition to poi-dev and poi-user,
> >an announcement sent to announcements@jakarta.apache.org would be
> >more appropriate and target the right audience, IMHO.
> >
> >Congrats on the release!
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Magesh
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>
> >To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >
> >While I was on my Western US tour, Glen cut the next "dev" release of
> >POI.  You may find it here:
> >http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/src/ and
> >http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/bin/
> >
> >Why we skipped a release number, only Glen would know.  :-)
> >
> >We do not yet follow whatever conventions we're supposed to be following
> >for mirroring because no one has described it intelligibly on any public
> >list to which Glen is subscribed.
> >
> >Enjoy.
> >
> >-Andy
> >
> >
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Re: Jakarta-POI 1.10.0-dev released

Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
IMHO it's quite a bit more involved that preparing a old-style release.

i'm currently preparing a revised release procedure document for commons. 
this will contain detailed instructions on how i mirrored the recent 
releases i cut.

- robert

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 02:38 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> Thanks for trying but it doesn't exactly say HOW does one prepare a 
> release such that it will/can be mirrored.
> -Andy
>
> Magesh Umasankar wrote:
>
>> Glen can find some pointers here:
>> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-httpd-dev&m=103578980325833&w=2
>>
>> Not trying to be picky, but in addition to poi-dev and poi-user, an 
>> announcement sent to announcements@jakarta.apache.org would be more 
>> appropriate and target the right audience, IMHO.
>>
>> Congrats on the release!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Magesh
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew C. Oliver" 
>> <ac...@apache.org>
>> To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>
>> While I was on my Western US tour, Glen cut the next "dev" release of 
>> POI.  You may find it here:
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/src/ and
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/bin/
>>
>> Why we skipped a release number, only Glen would know.  :-)
>>
>> We do not yet follow whatever conventions we're supposed to be following 
>> for mirroring because no one has described it intelligibly on any public 
>> list to which Glen is subscribed.
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Jakarta-POI 1.10.0-dev released

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Thanks for trying but it doesn't exactly say HOW does one prepare a 
release such that it will/can be mirrored. 

-Andy

Magesh Umasankar wrote:

>Glen can find some pointers here:
>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-httpd-dev&m=103578980325833&w=2
>
>Not trying to be picky, but in addition to poi-dev and poi-user, 
>an announcement sent to announcements@jakarta.apache.org would be 
>more appropriate and target the right audience, IMHO.
>
>Congrats on the release!
>
>Cheers,
>Magesh
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>
>To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
>
>While I was on my Western US tour, Glen cut the next "dev" release of 
>POI.  You may find it here:
>http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/src/ and
>http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/bin/
>
>Why we skipped a release number, only Glen would know.  :-)
>
>We do not yet follow whatever conventions we're supposed to be following 
>for mirroring because no one has described it intelligibly on any public 
>list to which Glen is subscribed.
>
>Enjoy.
>
>-Andy
>
>
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Re: Jakarta-POI 1.10.0-dev released

Posted by Magesh Umasankar <um...@apache.org>.
Glen can find some pointers here:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-httpd-dev&m=103578980325833&w=2

Not trying to be picky, but in addition to poi-dev and poi-user, 
an announcement sent to announcements@jakarta.apache.org would be 
more appropriate and target the right audience, IMHO.

Congrats on the release!

Cheers,
Magesh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>
To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>

While I was on my Western US tour, Glen cut the next "dev" release of 
POI.  You may find it here:
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/src/ and
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/bin/

Why we skipped a release number, only Glen would know.  :-)

We do not yet follow whatever conventions we're supposed to be following 
for mirroring because no one has described it intelligibly on any public 
list to which Glen is subscribed.

Enjoy.

-Andy



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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
>
>
>Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims 
>under the current PMC?
>  
>
no.

>I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are 
>currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening.
>  
>
I've no desire to engage.  Stand down from red alert.

-Andy

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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
"Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote on 04/03/2003 01:51:36 AM:

> I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
> word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
> community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
> changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 
> I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain that 
> the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.
> 
> One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude 
> Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
> participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
> graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 
> the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
> personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 
> from the situation rather than the other way around. 

Could you please elaborate on how these projects have achieved these aims 
under the current PMC?

I'm very interested in where Apache/Jakarta members have been/are 
currently excluded, and how the new PMC will stop this from happening.

--
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Blog:      http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
I nominate Sam Ruby whom I sometimes, often would be too strong of a 
word, disagree with but always respect his integrity and belief in 
community-based software development.  I too would like to see some 
changes, but Sam has outlined, several times, most of the changes that 
I'd actually like to see.  The remainder of which, I'm not certain that 
the Jakarta community of the whole has control over.

One change I do not wish to see are projects which specifically exclude 
Apache/Jakarta members due to the cult of personality of one of its 
participants, even its prinicipal participant.  Personally, I mark my 
graduation from pre-pubescence not on any biological definition rather 
the day that I learned to work in close quarters with those whom my 
personality or personal philosophy disagreed with or to extract myself 
from the situation rather than the other way around. 

Yesterday was a good day :-p

-Andy

Sam Ruby wrote:

> Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>>
>>> Sorry Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl.
>>
>>
>> Also, how is the chair position being selected now? By peer PMC members
>> or by the entire body of Jakarta committers?
>
>
> Technically, the chair position is chosen by the board.  In practice, 
> the board gives great value to the desires of the project. 
> Historically, votes on the chair has been done by votes of the PMC 
> members.
>
>> I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the
>> chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.
>
>
> Excellent.
>
> The next board meeting is the 19th.  My suggestion is that current PMC 
> members nominate individuals that they believe should be on the PMC by 
> the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be complete on the 
> 12th.
>
> This is to be followed this up with nominations for chair from people 
> in the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th.   An election 
> where every member of the PMC has one vote, will then commence, to be 
> completed on the 18th.
>
> If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes to be known, I can 
> ask the board for an independent set of participants to tally the votes.
>
> In any case, I can inform the board of the results (potentially 
> jointly with my intended successor) on the 19th.
>
> How does this sound?
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
>
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 10:24 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:

> Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for 
>> the
>> chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.
>
> Excellent.

What's in the essay?

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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
+1

- Morgan

--- Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
<snip/>
> The next board meeting is the 19th.  My suggestion
> is that current PMC 
> members nominate individuals that they believe
> should be on the PMC by 
> the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be
> complete on the 12th.
> 
> This is to be followed this up with nominations for
> chair from people in 
> the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th.  
> An election where 
> every member of the PMC has one vote, will then
> commence, to be 
> completed on the 18th.
> 
> If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes
> to be known, I can 
> ask the board for an independent set of participants
> to tally the votes.
> 
> In any case, I can inform the board of the results
> (potentially jointly 
> with my intended successor) on the 19th.
> 
> How does this sound?
> 
> - Sam Ruby
> 


=====
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>>Sorry Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl.
> 
> Also, how is the chair position being selected now? By peer PMC members
> or by the entire body of Jakarta committers?

Technically, the chair position is chosen by the board.  In practice, 
the board gives great value to the desires of the project. 
Historically, votes on the chair has been done by votes of the PMC members.

> I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the
> chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.

Excellent.

The next board meeting is the 19th.  My suggestion is that current PMC 
members nominate individuals that they believe should be on the PMC by 
the 9th, then we hold a vote on these nominees to be complete on the 12th.

This is to be followed this up with nominations for chair from people in 
the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th.   An election where 
every member of the PMC has one vote, will then commence, to be 
completed on the 18th.

If there are concerns about not wishing one's votes to be known, I can 
ask the board for an independent set of participants to tally the votes.

In any case, I can inform the board of the results (potentially jointly 
with my intended successor) on the 19th.

How does this sound?

- Sam Ruby


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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 18:33, Nick Chalko wrote:
> Jason van Zyl wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 05:12, Sam Ruby wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the
> >chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.
> >  
> >
> 
> Jason,
> In light of your comments in 
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448400328715&w=2
> can you, if you become the Jakarta PMC chair, collaborate with Nicola 
> Ken Barozzi.

I'm sure I could find a way but it's not likely that I will ever be the
chair of Jakarta.

-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Nick Chalko <ni...@chalko.com>.
Jason van Zyl wrote:

>On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 05:12, Sam Ruby wrote:
>  
>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the
>chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.
>  
>

Jason,
In light of your comments in 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104448400328715&w=2
can you, if you become the Jakarta PMC chair, collaborate with Nicola 
Ken Barozzi.


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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 05:12, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Pete Kazmier wrote:
> > I believe you have omitted an individual from this list.  Jason Van
> > Zyl was included among the nominated that passed the nomination vote:
> > 
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=general@jakarta.apache.org&msgNo=14489
> 
> OUCH!
> 
> I stand corrected.  Thanks Pete.
> 
> When updating the official list (in the committers repository, directory 
>   board/committee-info.txt), it occurred to me that a three column 
> format might be easier to read, so I wrote a little script. 
> Unfortunately, a roundoff error made *two* people not appear on the list 
> as 35 is not evenly divisible by three).
> 
> Sorry Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl.
> 

Also, how is the chair position being selected now? By peer PMC members
or by the entire body of Jakarta committers?

I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the
chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.

-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Pete Kazmier wrote:
> I believe you have omitted an individual from this list.  Jason Van
> Zyl was included among the nominated that passed the nomination vote:
> 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=general@jakarta.apache.org&msgNo=14489

OUCH!

I stand corrected.  Thanks Pete.

When updating the official list (in the committers repository, directory 
  board/committee-info.txt), it occurred to me that a three column 
format might be easier to read, so I wrote a little script. 
Unfortunately, a roundoff error made *two* people not appear on the list 
as 35 is not evenly divisible by three).

Sorry Rob Oxspring and Jason van Zyl.

Both names are present in the official list.

>>Danny Angus            Diane Holt            Martin Poeschl
>>Nicola Ken Barozzi     Larry Isaacs          Dmitri Plotnikov
>>Stefan Bodewig         John Keyes            Sam Ruby
>>Peter Carlson          Thomas Mahler         Scott Sanders
>>Martin Cooper          Conor MacNeill        David Sean Taylor
>>Morgan Delagrange      Geir Magnusson Jr.    Glen Stampoultzis
>>Robert Burrel Donkin   Remy Maucherat        James Strachan
>>Ted Husted             Craig McClanahan      Mladen Turk
>>Ceki Gülcü             Costin Manolache      James Turner
>>Henri Gomez            Glenn Nielsen         Rod Waldhoff
>>Otis Gospodnetic       Andrew C Oliver       Henri Yandell
++>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob Oxspring          Jason van Zyl

- Sam Ruby


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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

Posted by Pete Kazmier <pe...@kazmier.com>.
I believe you have omitted an individual from this list.  Jason Van
Zyl was included among the nominated that passed the nomination vote:

http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=general@jakarta.apache.org&msgNo=14489

> Danny Angus            Diane Holt            Martin Poeschl
> Nicola Ken Barozzi     Larry Isaacs          Dmitri Plotnikov
> Stefan Bodewig         John Keyes            Sam Ruby
> Peter Carlson          Thomas Mahler         Scott Sanders
> Martin Cooper          Conor MacNeill        David Sean Taylor
> Morgan Delagrange      Geir Magnusson Jr.    Glen Stampoultzis
> Robert Burrel Donkin   Remy Maucherat        James Strachan
> Ted Husted             Craig McClanahan      Mladen Turk
> Ceki Gülcü             Costin Manolache      James Turner
> Henri Gomez            Glenn Nielsen         Rod Waldhoff
> Otis Gospodnetic       Andrew C Oliver       Henri Yandell

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