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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by admin <ad...@javable.com> on 2002/12/11 20:54:27 UTC
i18n-ing forrest
Hi everybody,
We're interested in using forrest for maintaining the java-news web
site. Problem is, the site publishes articles in both English and
Russian. Forrest transforms russian documents into html without
problems (needs a proper encoding set in xml docs, though), but fop
does not include proper fonts. This is a known problem with fop, and a
fix is available (actually, modification of userconfig.xml). But I
don't see userconfig.xml anywhere in forrest distribution. Any idea
where it is, or where should I put it, so fop from forrest picks it
up?
thanks,
--Sergey
Re[2]: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by admin <ad...@javable.com>.
JT> Sure.. I have no idea what to write though :) Is adding the FOP
JT> userconfig.xml file all that needs to be done? Should Forrest be
I think including userconfig.xml in a standard distribution and
mentioning somewhere that it's available for i18ing would be just
perfect.
-- Sergey
Re: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 01:57:19PM +0900, IAS wrote:
> Dear Sergey,
> Please see the message at
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=103604121521559&w=2 . I
> hope that would help you out. In addition,
> http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr/2g/ias-site.zip has an example of
> userconfig.xml (and its i18n font metric file, cyberbit.xml).
>
> Merry Christmas,
> IAS
>
> P.S. Jeff, how about adding some document to Forrest site (and
> distribution) about guiding i18n for Forrest?
Sure.. I have no idea what to write though :) Is adding the FOP
userconfig.xml file all that needs to be done? Should Forrest be
including one by default? If you have any advice on what Forrest should
be doing, or documenting, please let us know.
--Jeff
Re: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by Konstantin Piroumian <kp...@apache.org>.
From: "IAS" <ia...@apache-korea.org>
> Dear Sergey,
> Please see the message at
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=103604121521559&w=2 . I
> hope that would help you out. In addition,
> http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr/2g/ias-site.zip has an example of
> userconfig.xml (and its i18n font metric file, cyberbit.xml).
Sergey,
you can also contact me directly (in Russian or English) by
kpiroumian@apache.org if you any problems with i18n in Cocoon (and thus in
Forrest). I'd be glad to help you.
>
> Merry Christmas,
> IAS
>
> P.S. Jeff, how about adding some document to Forrest site (and
> distribution) about guiding i18n for Forrest?
It'd would be also fine to provide some content in different languages (see
PHP docs for an example). I can translate a couple of pages to Russian. But
this requires decisions on how to setup the correct i18n URIs in sitemap and
the needed UI changes. I'd do it myself, but unfortunately, I'm very limited
in time these days.
Konstantin
>
> ===========================================================
> Lee, Changshin (Korean name)
> IAS (International name)
> Company Web Site: http://www.tmax.co.kr
> Personal Web Site: http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Senior Researcher & Java Technology Evangelist
> JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/L
> R&D Institute
> Tmax Soft, Inc.
> JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/T
> ==========================================================
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: admin [mailto:admin@javable.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:54 AM
> > To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org
> > Subject: i18n-ing forrest
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > We're interested in using forrest for maintaining the java-news web
> > site. Problem is, the site publishes articles in both English and
> > Russian. Forrest transforms russian documents into html without
> > problems (needs a proper encoding set in xml docs, though), but fop
> > does not include proper fonts. This is a known problem with fop, and a
> > fix is available (actually, modification of userconfig.xml). But I
> > don't see userconfig.xml anywhere in forrest distribution. Any idea
> > where it is, or where should I put it, so fop from forrest picks it
> > up?
> >
> > thanks,
> > --Sergey
> >
>
>
>
Re: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by Konstantin Piroumian <kp...@apache.org>.
From: "Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org>
> IAS wrote:
>
> > Thanks, David. I'm willing to create and provide a xdoc for i18n and
> > some patch accompanying that. Here's a brief teaser. (:-)
> >
> > Title: Internationalization (i18n)
>
> People will not like you for that. Please, at least zip before sending
> 700K+ attachments. I have broadband access, but I know our i18n guru
> works off a GPRS link.
Thanks Steven for "i18n guru" ;)
I've noticed the size of the message a little late ;)
I'll take a look at it on Sunday, when I went to work the connection there
is much faster and free (Yes, we work on Sunday, cause there was a national
holiday on Thursday and the Friday was exchanged with Sunday, so we have
continuos 3 day weekend, but will have to work 6 days since Sunday).
Konstantin
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
>
>
RE: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by IAS <ia...@apache-korea.org>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:stevenn@outerthought.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:36 PM
> To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: i18n-ing forrest
>
> IAS wrote:
>
> > Thanks, David. I'm willing to create and provide a xdoc for i18n and
> > some patch accompanying that. Here's a brief teaser. (:-)
> >
> > Title: Internationalization (i18n)
>
> People will not like you for that. Please, at least zip before sending
> 700K+ attachments. I have broadband access, but I know our i18n guru
> works off a GPRS link.
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Sorry about that. I'll do as you advised. Thanks for pointing it out.
-IAS
Re: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
IAS wrote:
> Thanks, David. I'm willing to create and provide a xdoc for i18n and
> some patch accompanying that. Here's a brief teaser. (:-)
>
> Title: Internationalization (i18n)
People will not like you for that. Please, at least zip before sending
700K+ attachments. I have broadband access, but I know our i18n guru
works off a GPRS link.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
RE: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by IAS <ia...@apache-korea.org>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Konstantin Piroumian [mailto:kpiroumian@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:12 PM
> To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: i18n-ing forrest
>
> From: "Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org>
> > Konstantin Piroumian wrote:
> >
> > > As for a sample i18n document in Forrest, it would be fine to have
> > > "Internationalizing Forrest" document in different languages. I
don't
> yet
> > > have idea about the contents of it though ;)
> >
> > http://www.lipsum.com/ ;-)
>
>
> Do we have any native Latin speakers to translate this into English?
:-)
I had learned Latin for one semester in my university, but definitely
not a native speaker. :-)
>
> KP
>
> >
> > </Steven>
> > --
> > Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> > Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> > Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/
> > stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
> >
> >
===========================================================
Lee, Changshin (Korean name)
IAS (International name)
Company Web Site: http://www.tmax.co.kr
Personal Web Site: http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Senior Researcher & Java Technology Evangelist
JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/L
R&D Institute
Tmax Soft, Inc.
JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/T
==========================================================
Re: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by Konstantin Piroumian <kp...@apache.org>.
From: "Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org>
> Konstantin Piroumian wrote:
>
> > As for a sample i18n document in Forrest, it would be fine to have
> > "Internationalizing Forrest" document in different languages. I don't
yet
> > have idea about the contents of it though ;)
>
> http://www.lipsum.com/ ;-)
Do we have any native Latin speakers to translate this into English? :-)
KP
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
>
>
RE: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by IAS <ia...@apache-korea.org>.
I was greatly impressed by the site (Actually its contents altogether).
:-0
Thanks for letting us know the marvelous one.
-IAS
===========================================================
Lee, Changshin (Korean name)
IAS (International name)
Company Web Site: http://www.tmax.co.kr
Personal Web Site: http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr
----------------------------------------------------------------
Senior Researcher & Java Technology Evangelist
JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/L
R&D Institute
Tmax Soft, Inc.
JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/T
==========================================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:stevenn@outerthought.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:07 PM
> To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: i18n-ing forrest
>
> Konstantin Piroumian wrote:
>
> > As for a sample i18n document in Forrest, it would be fine to have
> > "Internationalizing Forrest" document in different languages. I
don't
> yet
> > have idea about the contents of it though ;)
>
> http://www.lipsum.com/ ;-)
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Konstantin Piroumian wrote:
> As for a sample i18n document in Forrest, it would be fine to have
> "Internationalizing Forrest" document in different languages. I don't yet
> have idea about the contents of it though ;)
http://www.lipsum.com/ ;-)
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by Konstantin Piroumian <kp...@apache.org>.
Hi!
> IAS wrote:
[...]
> >
> Thanks, David. I'm willing to create and provide a xdoc for i18n and
> some patch accompanying that. Here's a brief teaser. (:-)
>
I think that this kind of stuff is better be added to Cocoon and not
Forrest, because it seems to be of a more general use and can help also
other Cocoon users.
I'm also not sure about the location of this config files. Should they be
placed somewhere in the FOP block or in i18n stuff (hopefully, I'll move it
to a block too when I have time)?
As for a sample i18n document in Forrest, it would be fine to have
"Internationalizing Forrest" document in different languages. I don't yet
have idea about the contents of it though ;)
Regards,
Konstantin
> Title: Internationalization (i18n)
>
> 1. Get an i18n-supporting font
> ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/extras/fonts/windows/Cyberbit.ZI
> P
>
> 2. Modify sitemap.xmap
> In src/documentation/sitemap.xmap
>
> ...
> <map:serializer name="fo2pdf"
> src="org.apache.cocoon.serialization.FOPSerializer"
> mime-type="application/pdf">
> <!-- if you want i18n, please set the following element to your
> environment and uncomment it
> <user-config src="d:/sites/userconfig.xml"/>
> -->
> </map:serializer>
> ...
>
> 3. Add and configure userconfig.xml and cyberbit.xml
>
> 4. Reference
> http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/serializers/pdf-serializer.html
>
> I also attached some XML files for example. It would be helpful for
> Forrest to have those in distribution though I'm not sure where they
> should place.
>
> Please give me any advice or idea for this i18n document. I'll soon post
> a draft compliant with Forrest documentation xdoc format.
>
> ===========================================================
> Lee, Changshin (Korean name)
> IAS (International name)
> Company Web Site: http://www.tmax.co.kr
> Personal Web Site: http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Senior Researcher & Java Technology Evangelist
> JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/L
> R&D Institute
> Tmax Soft, Inc.
> JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/T
> ==========================================================
>
>
RE: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by IAS <ia...@apache-korea.org>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Crossley [mailto:crossley@indexgeo.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:44 PM
> To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: RE: i18n-ing forrest
>
> IAS wrote:
> > Dear Sergey,
> > Please see the message at
> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=103604121521559&w=2 .
I
> > hope that would help you out. In addition,
> > http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr/2g/ias-site.zip has an example of
> > userconfig.xml (and its i18n font metric file, cyberbit.xml).
> >
> > Merry Christmas,
> > IAS
> >
> > P.S. Jeff, how about adding some document to Forrest site (and
> > distribution) about guiding i18n for Forrest?
>
> Hello IAS, you sound well-qualified to write an xdoc on this.
> Please send a patch and we can add it in, even if it is just
> a small start. If you would prefer, then i can start an xdoc
> and you can take it from there.
> --David
>
Thanks, David. I'm willing to create and provide a xdoc for i18n and
some patch accompanying that. Here's a brief teaser. (:-)
Title: Internationalization (i18n)
1. Get an i18n-supporting font
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/extras/fonts/windows/Cyberbit.ZI
P
2. Modify sitemap.xmap
In src/documentation/sitemap.xmap
...
<map:serializer name="fo2pdf"
src="org.apache.cocoon.serialization.FOPSerializer"
mime-type="application/pdf">
<!-- if you want i18n, please set the following element to your
environment and uncomment it
<user-config src="d:/sites/userconfig.xml"/>
-->
</map:serializer>
...
3. Add and configure userconfig.xml and cyberbit.xml
4. Reference
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/serializers/pdf-serializer.html
I also attached some XML files for example. It would be helpful for
Forrest to have those in distribution though I'm not sure where they
should place.
Please give me any advice or idea for this i18n document. I'll soon post
a draft compliant with Forrest documentation xdoc format.
===========================================================
Lee, Changshin (Korean name)
IAS (International name)
Company Web Site: http://www.tmax.co.kr
Personal Web Site: http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr
-----------------------------------------------------------
Senior Researcher & Java Technology Evangelist
JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/L
R&D Institute
Tmax Soft, Inc.
JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/T
==========================================================
RE: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
IAS wrote:
> Dear Sergey,
> Please see the message at
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=103604121521559&w=2 . I
> hope that would help you out. In addition,
> http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr/2g/ias-site.zip has an example of
> userconfig.xml (and its i18n font metric file, cyberbit.xml).
>
> Merry Christmas,
> IAS
>
> P.S. Jeff, how about adding some document to Forrest site (and
> distribution) about guiding i18n for Forrest?
Hello IAS, you sound well-qualified to write an xdoc on this.
Please send a patch and we can add it in, even if it is just
a small start. If you would prefer, then i can start an xdoc
and you can take it from there.
--David
RE: i18n-ing forrest
Posted by IAS <ia...@apache-korea.org>.
Dear Sergey,
Please see the message at
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=103604121521559&w=2 . I
hope that would help you out. In addition,
http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr/2g/ias-site.zip has an example of
userconfig.xml (and its i18n font metric file, cyberbit.xml).
Merry Christmas,
IAS
P.S. Jeff, how about adding some document to Forrest site (and
distribution) about guiding i18n for Forrest?
===========================================================
Lee, Changshin (Korean name)
IAS (International name)
Company Web Site: http://www.tmax.co.kr
Personal Web Site: http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr
------------------------------------------------------------------
Senior Researcher & Java Technology Evangelist
JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/L
R&D Institute
Tmax Soft, Inc.
JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/T
==========================================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: admin [mailto:admin@javable.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:54 AM
> To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: i18n-ing forrest
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> We're interested in using forrest for maintaining the java-news web
> site. Problem is, the site publishes articles in both English and
> Russian. Forrest transforms russian documents into html without
> problems (needs a proper encoding set in xml docs, though), but fop
> does not include proper fonts. This is a known problem with fop, and a
> fix is available (actually, modification of userconfig.xml). But I
> don't see userconfig.xml anywhere in forrest distribution. Any idea
> where it is, or where should I put it, so fop from forrest picks it
> up?
>
> thanks,
> --Sergey
>