Mailing lists

[Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>]

On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:45 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote:

> Looks like it was stripped.  Someone from infra suggested that we ask
> on the incubator list to have our mailing list preferences changed.

Ok... I have a few more list related requests, so maybe we should  
combine them in a single Jira issue, post it to the Infra Jira and cc  
to the incubator.

The biggest issue so far is the moderation. Our old list simply  
bounced posts from addresses that are not subscribed, and it worked  
extremely well. Current setup sends those emails to me and Bill for  
moderation (approval or rejection). Of course all of those messages  
are spam. I received 96 moderation spams since March 28. So the  
moderation has to be replaced with bounces.

I haven't brought it up yet, cause there is one case where we need  
moderation - emails from jira are coming from jira- 
noreply@objectstyle.org (and will soon change to a jira address  
@apache). @ObjectStyle Jira address is setup to be allowed to post,  
but not receive messages from the list. I have no idea how to set it  
up in our new list without a shell access to the box running the  
list. So I am waiting till the jira is switched.


So a question to our mentors and current Apache committers. Does it  
mean that we will need to bother someone every time wit such small  
admin requests? I wonder at what point and how can we get infra carma  
to do such things ourselves and make everyone's life easier?

Andrus

Re: Mailing lists

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> On 4/8/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> ...
>>I wonder at what point and how can we get infra carma
>>to do such things ourselves and make everyone's life easier?
> 
> I'm told it's the same way as any other -- meritocracy -- However, I
> don't know how someone earns merit doing sysadmin work without doing
> some first!

Here's a page on how to become an infra volunteer:
http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-volunteer.html .

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/committer.html has tips for new
committers in the incubator. As soon as you have your apache account,
subscribe to infrastructure@apache.org . Start by listening, then start
building merit by responding to any questions you can answer.

 -jean

Re: Mailing lists

[Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>]

On 4/8/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> So a question to our mentors and current Apache committers. Does it
> mean that we will need to bother someone every time wit such small
> admin requests?

Yes, I think so.  But most of the time, there aren't going to be
requests like this.


> I wonder at what point and how can we get infra carma
> to do such things ourselves and make everyone's life easier?

I'm told it's the same way as any other -- meritocracy -- However, I
don't know how someone earns merit doing sysadmin work without doing
some first!

Re: Mailing lists

[Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>]

On Apr 11, 2006, at 2:35 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:

> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> ...
>> The biggest issue so far is the moderation. Our old list simply   
>> bounced
>> posts from addresses that are not subscribed, and it worked   
>> extremely
>> well. Current setup sends those emails to me and Bill for  moderation
>> (approval or rejection). Of course all of those messages  are spam. I
>> received 96 moderation spams since March 28. So the  moderation  
>> has to
>> be replaced with bounces.
>
> You don't have to respond at all to reject a post -- just ignore those
> moderation requests (I delete them). After a week they'll time out and
> automatically be rejected.
>
> Just respond to the ones you want approved. That saves time.
>
>  -jean

Hi Jean,

Thanks for the links on infra participation in your other message.

I know that I don't have to reply to moderation messages... But the  
same thing is often said about spam in general - "just hit delete" -  
a solution I personally can't live with. Besides moderation spam is  
worse than general spam, as I have to inspect all moderation messages  
(moderation is enabled, I am a moderator, so I can't ignore my  
duties :-)).

At the same time changing moderation to bouncing solves the problem  
once and for all.

Andrus

Re: Mailing lists

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> ...
> The biggest issue so far is the moderation. Our old list simply  bounced
> posts from addresses that are not subscribed, and it worked  extremely
> well. Current setup sends those emails to me and Bill for  moderation
> (approval or rejection). Of course all of those messages  are spam. I
> received 96 moderation spams since March 28. So the  moderation has to
> be replaced with bounces.

You don't have to respond at all to reject a post -- just ignore those
moderation requests (I delete them). After a week they'll time out and
automatically be rejected.

Just respond to the ones you want approved. That saves time.

 -jean