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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com> on 2008/06/21 23:43:09 UTC
Request for assistance in incubating an Alchemy project
Hi!
My name is Jihoon Kim and I was hoping if I could get some guidance in
incubating a project. I have read through various Wikipages and I do
have some idea of what must be done to incubate a project, move it to
a state of a podling, and finally have it promoted. But though I do
have a rough understanding of the process, I was hoping to get Mentors
and Champions in helping us implement them.
The project that I had planned is Alchemy project, which will allow
additional Web 2.0 technologies as JSF component libraries. First set
of component libraries to include within this project is the bridge
between Flex and JSF, as can be seen within the following JIRA link
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOMAHAWK-1250.
Initially, I thought to contribute it as a patch to MyFaces, but since
the size of the contribution was rather large and I was the sole
developer, MyFaces PMCs have directed me to the Incubator to incubate
it as component library under Alchemy project. Then when the project
has matured and have gathered enough community members to sustain the
maintenance of the code, they said they would consider having it as a
subproject under the MyFaces main project.
In a nutshell, the contribution is to give users capability in
creating Flex components as JSF components. So users users would
create the components as normal JSF components and the contribution
will create the necessary SWF files and etcetera and link the values
of the components back to the managed beans using JSON+JavaScript and
ActionScript. So all users would need is a Jar of the component
library and they would be able to create Flex applications by creating
normal JSF components. The contribution will then bind the data from
managed beans to components within the created SWF file.
Further detail regarding the project has been written up within the
following proposal :
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal.
Current members who are interested in participating in this project are :
myself [Jihoon Kim]
Hazem Saleh [committer within MyFaces]
Glauco P. Gomes [developer within MyFaces]
Matthias Wessendorf [who has suggested in helping out as a mentor/champion]
my coworkers
I think that this integration will be an interesting one that users
can use to create Web 2.0 applications beyond the method of
JavaScript. Also since I think that this is one of the areas that has
lots of potential, I think with time there will be additional
components/ideas related to the contribution that will be brought
forth [i.e. possible handling of requirement of flash in user's
browsers {rendering it as a Dojo, HTML, or Flash depending on user's
browser setting}].
During the discussion of this contribution within the MyFaces mailing
list, many have shown positive interest in the project providing good
sign that the components libraries will be used by developer
community. Also the integration will possibly reduce number of
discussion in various mailing list of "JSF vs Flex" and will allow
developers to create simple Flex application without purchasing
FlexBuilder and learning of the technology.
MyFaces PMCs have confirmed that there aren't any legal issues for the
Flex and JSF integration by pinging the legal mailing list.
Thank you!!!
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Re: Request for assistance in incubating an Alchemy project
Posted by Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>.
Hi Craig,
Thanks for the added suggestions. I truly do appreciate all the
pointers that have been provided with the followup posts.
> 1. If you do intend to come back to Apache later on, you should keep track
> of all the people who contribute code to the project and
We will make sure to keep track of all the people that contribute code
to the project from hereafter.
> 2. It wasn't clear from the wiki proposal, but consider licensing the code
> using the Apache license from the beginning.
I have placed Apache 2.0 license to all the Java, JavaScript,
ActionScript, and etcetera within the initial code/project and we will
make sure to keep to that license for all additional
functionalities/components and modifications.
Thank you once again for the pointers and we will make sure to apply
all the standards that have been found in the readings and in the
inputs from this post!!!
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> Hi Ji Hoon Kim,
>
> Good luck building your community, and I hope to see you in a while.
>
> One suggestion:
>
> 1. If you do intend to come back to Apache later on, you should keep track
> of all the people who contribute code to the project and
>
> 2. It wasn't clear from the wiki proposal, but consider licensing the code
> using the Apache license from the beginning.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Craig
>
> On Jun 22, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Jihoon Kim wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your advice and your willingness to provide some
>> direction, appreciate it much.
>>
>> Since I have a better understanding of what is possible, I and others
>> have taken the project to Google code and we will start the growth of
>> the community there. In the future if the interest of the project
>> grows to a greater degree, we will possibly consider reaching out to
>> ASF once again with community and code that is much more mature.
>>
>> Thank you once again!!!
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...I wasn't quite sure whether there weren't
>>>> interest in the project or simply that it has been missed. Now that I
>>>> know there isn't any interest, I will consider moving the project to
>>>> an another repository....
>>>
>>> That's probably the best thing to do at this point, and if you're able
>>> to build a small community there that might be a first step towards
>>> incubating at the ASF.
>>>
>>> IMO, and in general, the Incubator is much more welcoming to projects
>>> which already have some sort of community, as opposed to
>>> single-developer projects trying to build communities.
>>>
>>> -Bertrand
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, I wonder whether it is worth pursuing this at all. The
>>>>> proposal
>>>>> has been posted to this list five times in the last month, with only a
>>>>> single response. That doesn't fill me with confidence, to say the
>>>>> least. If
>>>>> there's so little interest in bringing it in at all, that doesn't seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> augur well for a successful incubation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder, too, at the doggedness in trying to bring it here, rather
>>>>> than
>>>>> simply setting up shop at Google Code or the like, and moving forward
>>>>> with
>>>>> it there.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Martin Cooper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My name is Jihoon Kim and I was hoping if I could get some guidance in
>>>>>> incubating a project. I have read through various Wikipages and I do
>>>>>> have some idea of what must be done to incubate a project, move it to
>>>>>> a state of a podling, and finally have it promoted. But though I do
>>>>>> have a rough understanding of the process, I was hoping to get Mentors
>>>>>> and Champions in helping us implement them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The project that I had planned is Alchemy project, which will allow
>>>>>> additional Web 2.0 technologies as JSF component libraries. First set
>>>>>> of component libraries to include within this project is the bridge
>>>>>> between Flex and JSF, as can be seen within the following JIRA link
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOMAHAWK-1250.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially, I thought to contribute it as a patch to MyFaces, but since
>>>>>> the size of the contribution was rather large and I was the sole
>>>>>> developer, MyFaces PMCs have directed me to the Incubator to incubate
>>>>>> it as component library under Alchemy project. Then when the project
>>>>>> has matured and have gathered enough community members to sustain the
>>>>>> maintenance of the code, they said they would consider having it as a
>>>>>> subproject under the MyFaces main project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a nutshell, the contribution is to give users capability in
>>>>>> creating Flex components as JSF components. So users users would
>>>>>> create the components as normal JSF components and the contribution
>>>>>> will create the necessary SWF files and etcetera and link the values
>>>>>> of the components back to the managed beans using JSON+JavaScript and
>>>>>> ActionScript. So all users would need is a Jar of the component
>>>>>> library and they would be able to create Flex applications by creating
>>>>>> normal JSF components. The contribution will then bind the data from
>>>>>> managed beans to components within the created SWF file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Further detail regarding the project has been written up within the
>>>>>> following proposal :
>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Current members who are interested in participating in this project
>>>>>> are :
>>>>>> myself [Jihoon Kim]
>>>>>> Hazem Saleh [committer within MyFaces]
>>>>>> Glauco P. Gomes [developer within MyFaces]
>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf [who has suggested in helping out as a
>>>>>> mentor/champion]
>>>>>> my coworkers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that this integration will be an interesting one that users
>>>>>> can use to create Web 2.0 applications beyond the method of
>>>>>> JavaScript. Also since I think that this is one of the areas that has
>>>>>> lots of potential, I think with time there will be additional
>>>>>> components/ideas related to the contribution that will be brought
>>>>>> forth [i.e. possible handling of requirement of flash in user's
>>>>>> browsers {rendering it as a Dojo, HTML, or Flash depending on user's
>>>>>> browser setting}].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During the discussion of this contribution within the MyFaces mailing
>>>>>> list, many have shown positive interest in the project providing good
>>>>>> sign that the components libraries will be used by developer
>>>>>> community. Also the integration will possibly reduce number of
>>>>>> discussion in various mailing list of "JSF vs Flex" and will allow
>>>>>> developers to create simple Flex application without purchasing
>>>>>> FlexBuilder and learning of the technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MyFaces PMCs have confirmed that there aren't any legal issues for the
>>>>>> Flex and JSF integration by pinging the legal mailing list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> http://www.codeconsult.ch
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>
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>
> Craig Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
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Re: Request for assistance in incubating an Alchemy project
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Ji Hoon Kim,
Good luck building your community, and I hope to see you in a while.
One suggestion:
1. If you do intend to come back to Apache later on, you should keep
track of all the people who contribute code to the project and
2. It wasn't clear from the wiki proposal, but consider licensing the
code using the Apache license from the beginning.
Best regards,
Craig
On Jun 22, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Jihoon Kim wrote:
> Thank you for your advice and your willingness to provide some
> direction, appreciate it much.
>
> Since I have a better understanding of what is possible, I and others
> have taken the project to Google code and we will start the growth of
> the community there. In the future if the interest of the project
> grows to a greater degree, we will possibly consider reaching out to
> ASF once again with community and code that is much more mature.
>
> Thank you once again!!!
>
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Jihoon Kim
>> <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ...I wasn't quite sure whether there weren't
>>> interest in the project or simply that it has been missed. Now
>>> that I
>>> know there isn't any interest, I will consider moving the project to
>>> an another repository....
>>
>> That's probably the best thing to do at this point, and if you're
>> able
>> to build a small community there that might be a first step towards
>> incubating at the ASF.
>>
>> IMO, and in general, the Incubator is much more welcoming to projects
>> which already have some sort of community, as opposed to
>> single-developer projects trying to build communities.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Martin Cooper
>>> <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Honestly, I wonder whether it is worth pursuing this at all. The
>>>> proposal
>>>> has been posted to this list five times in the last month, with
>>>> only a
>>>> single response. That doesn't fill me with confidence, to say the
>>>> least. If
>>>> there's so little interest in bringing it in at all, that doesn't
>>>> seem to
>>>> augur well for a successful incubation.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder, too, at the doggedness in trying to bring it here,
>>>> rather than
>>>> simply setting up shop at Google Code or the like, and moving
>>>> forward with
>>>> it there.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Martin Cooper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Jihoon Kim <jihoonkim1004@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> My name is Jihoon Kim and I was hoping if I could get some
>>>>> guidance in
>>>>> incubating a project. I have read through various Wikipages and
>>>>> I do
>>>>> have some idea of what must be done to incubate a project, move
>>>>> it to
>>>>> a state of a podling, and finally have it promoted. But though I
>>>>> do
>>>>> have a rough understanding of the process, I was hoping to get
>>>>> Mentors
>>>>> and Champions in helping us implement them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The project that I had planned is Alchemy project, which will
>>>>> allow
>>>>> additional Web 2.0 technologies as JSF component libraries.
>>>>> First set
>>>>> of component libraries to include within this project is the
>>>>> bridge
>>>>> between Flex and JSF, as can be seen within the following JIRA
>>>>> link
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOMAHAWK-1250.
>>>>>
>>>>> Initially, I thought to contribute it as a patch to MyFaces, but
>>>>> since
>>>>> the size of the contribution was rather large and I was the sole
>>>>> developer, MyFaces PMCs have directed me to the Incubator to
>>>>> incubate
>>>>> it as component library under Alchemy project. Then when the
>>>>> project
>>>>> has matured and have gathered enough community members to
>>>>> sustain the
>>>>> maintenance of the code, they said they would consider having it
>>>>> as a
>>>>> subproject under the MyFaces main project.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a nutshell, the contribution is to give users capability in
>>>>> creating Flex components as JSF components. So users users would
>>>>> create the components as normal JSF components and the
>>>>> contribution
>>>>> will create the necessary SWF files and etcetera and link the
>>>>> values
>>>>> of the components back to the managed beans using JSON
>>>>> +JavaScript and
>>>>> ActionScript. So all users would need is a Jar of the component
>>>>> library and they would be able to create Flex applications by
>>>>> creating
>>>>> normal JSF components. The contribution will then bind the data
>>>>> from
>>>>> managed beans to components within the created SWF file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Further detail regarding the project has been written up within
>>>>> the
>>>>> following proposal :
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Current members who are interested in participating in this
>>>>> project are :
>>>>> myself [Jihoon Kim]
>>>>> Hazem Saleh [committer within MyFaces]
>>>>> Glauco P. Gomes [developer within MyFaces]
>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf [who has suggested in helping out as a
>>>>> mentor/champion]
>>>>> my coworkers
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that this integration will be an interesting one that
>>>>> users
>>>>> can use to create Web 2.0 applications beyond the method of
>>>>> JavaScript. Also since I think that this is one of the areas
>>>>> that has
>>>>> lots of potential, I think with time there will be additional
>>>>> components/ideas related to the contribution that will be brought
>>>>> forth [i.e. possible handling of requirement of flash in user's
>>>>> browsers {rendering it as a Dojo, HTML, or Flash depending on
>>>>> user's
>>>>> browser setting}].
>>>>>
>>>>> During the discussion of this contribution within the MyFaces
>>>>> mailing
>>>>> list, many have shown positive interest in the project providing
>>>>> good
>>>>> sign that the components libraries will be used by developer
>>>>> community. Also the integration will possibly reduce number of
>>>>> discussion in various mailing list of "JSF vs Flex" and will allow
>>>>> developers to create simple Flex application without purchasing
>>>>> FlexBuilder and learning of the technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> MyFaces PMCs have confirmed that there aren't any legal issues
>>>>> for the
>>>>> Flex and JSF integration by pinging the legal mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bertrand Delacretaz
>> http://www.codeconsult.ch
>>
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Ji Hoon Kim
>
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Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: Request for assistance in incubating an Alchemy project
Posted by Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>.
Thank you for your advice and your willingness to provide some
direction, appreciate it much.
Since I have a better understanding of what is possible, I and others
have taken the project to Google code and we will start the growth of
the community there. In the future if the interest of the project
grows to a greater degree, we will possibly consider reaching out to
ASF once again with community and code that is much more mature.
Thank you once again!!!
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...I wasn't quite sure whether there weren't
>> interest in the project or simply that it has been missed. Now that I
>> know there isn't any interest, I will consider moving the project to
>> an another repository....
>
> That's probably the best thing to do at this point, and if you're able
> to build a small community there that might be a first step towards
> incubating at the ASF.
>
> IMO, and in general, the Incubator is much more welcoming to projects
> which already have some sort of community, as opposed to
> single-developer projects trying to build communities.
>
> -Bertrand
>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Honestly, I wonder whether it is worth pursuing this at all. The proposal
>>> has been posted to this list five times in the last month, with only a
>>> single response. That doesn't fill me with confidence, to say the least. If
>>> there's so little interest in bringing it in at all, that doesn't seem to
>>> augur well for a successful incubation.
>>>
>>> I wonder, too, at the doggedness in trying to bring it here, rather than
>>> simply setting up shop at Google Code or the like, and moving forward with
>>> it there.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> My name is Jihoon Kim and I was hoping if I could get some guidance in
>>>> incubating a project. I have read through various Wikipages and I do
>>>> have some idea of what must be done to incubate a project, move it to
>>>> a state of a podling, and finally have it promoted. But though I do
>>>> have a rough understanding of the process, I was hoping to get Mentors
>>>> and Champions in helping us implement them.
>>>>
>>>> The project that I had planned is Alchemy project, which will allow
>>>> additional Web 2.0 technologies as JSF component libraries. First set
>>>> of component libraries to include within this project is the bridge
>>>> between Flex and JSF, as can be seen within the following JIRA link
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOMAHAWK-1250.
>>>>
>>>> Initially, I thought to contribute it as a patch to MyFaces, but since
>>>> the size of the contribution was rather large and I was the sole
>>>> developer, MyFaces PMCs have directed me to the Incubator to incubate
>>>> it as component library under Alchemy project. Then when the project
>>>> has matured and have gathered enough community members to sustain the
>>>> maintenance of the code, they said they would consider having it as a
>>>> subproject under the MyFaces main project.
>>>>
>>>> In a nutshell, the contribution is to give users capability in
>>>> creating Flex components as JSF components. So users users would
>>>> create the components as normal JSF components and the contribution
>>>> will create the necessary SWF files and etcetera and link the values
>>>> of the components back to the managed beans using JSON+JavaScript and
>>>> ActionScript. So all users would need is a Jar of the component
>>>> library and they would be able to create Flex applications by creating
>>>> normal JSF components. The contribution will then bind the data from
>>>> managed beans to components within the created SWF file.
>>>>
>>>> Further detail regarding the project has been written up within the
>>>> following proposal :
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal.
>>>>
>>>> Current members who are interested in participating in this project are :
>>>> myself [Jihoon Kim]
>>>> Hazem Saleh [committer within MyFaces]
>>>> Glauco P. Gomes [developer within MyFaces]
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf [who has suggested in helping out as a
>>>> mentor/champion]
>>>> my coworkers
>>>>
>>>> I think that this integration will be an interesting one that users
>>>> can use to create Web 2.0 applications beyond the method of
>>>> JavaScript. Also since I think that this is one of the areas that has
>>>> lots of potential, I think with time there will be additional
>>>> components/ideas related to the contribution that will be brought
>>>> forth [i.e. possible handling of requirement of flash in user's
>>>> browsers {rendering it as a Dojo, HTML, or Flash depending on user's
>>>> browser setting}].
>>>>
>>>> During the discussion of this contribution within the MyFaces mailing
>>>> list, many have shown positive interest in the project providing good
>>>> sign that the components libraries will be used by developer
>>>> community. Also the integration will possibly reduce number of
>>>> discussion in various mailing list of "JSF vs Flex" and will allow
>>>> developers to create simple Flex application without purchasing
>>>> FlexBuilder and learning of the technology.
>>>>
>>>> MyFaces PMCs have confirmed that there aren't any legal issues for the
>>>> Flex and JSF integration by pinging the legal mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!!!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Bertrand Delacretaz
> http://www.codeconsult.ch
>
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Re: Request for assistance in incubating an Alchemy project
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I wasn't quite sure whether there weren't
> interest in the project or simply that it has been missed. Now that I
> know there isn't any interest, I will consider moving the project to
> an another repository....
That's probably the best thing to do at this point, and if you're able
to build a small community there that might be a first step towards
incubating at the ASF.
IMO, and in general, the Incubator is much more welcoming to projects
which already have some sort of community, as opposed to
single-developer projects trying to build communities.
-Bertrand
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Honestly, I wonder whether it is worth pursuing this at all. The proposal
>> has been posted to this list five times in the last month, with only a
>> single response. That doesn't fill me with confidence, to say the least. If
>> there's so little interest in bringing it in at all, that doesn't seem to
>> augur well for a successful incubation.
>>
>> I wonder, too, at the doggedness in trying to bring it here, rather than
>> simply setting up shop at Google Code or the like, and moving forward with
>> it there.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My name is Jihoon Kim and I was hoping if I could get some guidance in
>>> incubating a project. I have read through various Wikipages and I do
>>> have some idea of what must be done to incubate a project, move it to
>>> a state of a podling, and finally have it promoted. But though I do
>>> have a rough understanding of the process, I was hoping to get Mentors
>>> and Champions in helping us implement them.
>>>
>>> The project that I had planned is Alchemy project, which will allow
>>> additional Web 2.0 technologies as JSF component libraries. First set
>>> of component libraries to include within this project is the bridge
>>> between Flex and JSF, as can be seen within the following JIRA link
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOMAHAWK-1250.
>>>
>>> Initially, I thought to contribute it as a patch to MyFaces, but since
>>> the size of the contribution was rather large and I was the sole
>>> developer, MyFaces PMCs have directed me to the Incubator to incubate
>>> it as component library under Alchemy project. Then when the project
>>> has matured and have gathered enough community members to sustain the
>>> maintenance of the code, they said they would consider having it as a
>>> subproject under the MyFaces main project.
>>>
>>> In a nutshell, the contribution is to give users capability in
>>> creating Flex components as JSF components. So users users would
>>> create the components as normal JSF components and the contribution
>>> will create the necessary SWF files and etcetera and link the values
>>> of the components back to the managed beans using JSON+JavaScript and
>>> ActionScript. So all users would need is a Jar of the component
>>> library and they would be able to create Flex applications by creating
>>> normal JSF components. The contribution will then bind the data from
>>> managed beans to components within the created SWF file.
>>>
>>> Further detail regarding the project has been written up within the
>>> following proposal :
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal.
>>>
>>> Current members who are interested in participating in this project are :
>>> myself [Jihoon Kim]
>>> Hazem Saleh [committer within MyFaces]
>>> Glauco P. Gomes [developer within MyFaces]
>>> Matthias Wessendorf [who has suggested in helping out as a
>>> mentor/champion]
>>> my coworkers
>>>
>>> I think that this integration will be an interesting one that users
>>> can use to create Web 2.0 applications beyond the method of
>>> JavaScript. Also since I think that this is one of the areas that has
>>> lots of potential, I think with time there will be additional
>>> components/ideas related to the contribution that will be brought
>>> forth [i.e. possible handling of requirement of flash in user's
>>> browsers {rendering it as a Dojo, HTML, or Flash depending on user's
>>> browser setting}].
>>>
>>> During the discussion of this contribution within the MyFaces mailing
>>> list, many have shown positive interest in the project providing good
>>> sign that the components libraries will be used by developer
>>> community. Also the integration will possibly reduce number of
>>> discussion in various mailing list of "JSF vs Flex" and will allow
>>> developers to create simple Flex application without purchasing
>>> FlexBuilder and learning of the technology.
>>>
>>> MyFaces PMCs have confirmed that there aren't any legal issues for the
>>> Flex and JSF integration by pinging the legal mailing list.
>>>
>>> Thank you!!!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>>
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>>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
> Ji Hoon Kim
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Re: Request for assistance in incubating an Alchemy project
Posted by Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the response, I wasn't quite sure whether there weren't
interest in the project or simply that it has been missed. Now that I
know there isn't any interest, I will consider moving the project to
an another repository.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Honestly, I wonder whether it is worth pursuing this at all. The proposal
> has been posted to this list five times in the last month, with only a
> single response. That doesn't fill me with confidence, to say the least. If
> there's so little interest in bringing it in at all, that doesn't seem to
> augur well for a successful incubation.
>
> I wonder, too, at the doggedness in trying to bring it here, rather than
> simply setting up shop at Google Code or the like, and moving forward with
> it there.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> My name is Jihoon Kim and I was hoping if I could get some guidance in
>> incubating a project. I have read through various Wikipages and I do
>> have some idea of what must be done to incubate a project, move it to
>> a state of a podling, and finally have it promoted. But though I do
>> have a rough understanding of the process, I was hoping to get Mentors
>> and Champions in helping us implement them.
>>
>> The project that I had planned is Alchemy project, which will allow
>> additional Web 2.0 technologies as JSF component libraries. First set
>> of component libraries to include within this project is the bridge
>> between Flex and JSF, as can be seen within the following JIRA link
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOMAHAWK-1250.
>>
>> Initially, I thought to contribute it as a patch to MyFaces, but since
>> the size of the contribution was rather large and I was the sole
>> developer, MyFaces PMCs have directed me to the Incubator to incubate
>> it as component library under Alchemy project. Then when the project
>> has matured and have gathered enough community members to sustain the
>> maintenance of the code, they said they would consider having it as a
>> subproject under the MyFaces main project.
>>
>> In a nutshell, the contribution is to give users capability in
>> creating Flex components as JSF components. So users users would
>> create the components as normal JSF components and the contribution
>> will create the necessary SWF files and etcetera and link the values
>> of the components back to the managed beans using JSON+JavaScript and
>> ActionScript. So all users would need is a Jar of the component
>> library and they would be able to create Flex applications by creating
>> normal JSF components. The contribution will then bind the data from
>> managed beans to components within the created SWF file.
>>
>> Further detail regarding the project has been written up within the
>> following proposal :
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal.
>>
>> Current members who are interested in participating in this project are :
>> myself [Jihoon Kim]
>> Hazem Saleh [committer within MyFaces]
>> Glauco P. Gomes [developer within MyFaces]
>> Matthias Wessendorf [who has suggested in helping out as a
>> mentor/champion]
>> my coworkers
>>
>> I think that this integration will be an interesting one that users
>> can use to create Web 2.0 applications beyond the method of
>> JavaScript. Also since I think that this is one of the areas that has
>> lots of potential, I think with time there will be additional
>> components/ideas related to the contribution that will be brought
>> forth [i.e. possible handling of requirement of flash in user's
>> browsers {rendering it as a Dojo, HTML, or Flash depending on user's
>> browser setting}].
>>
>> During the discussion of this contribution within the MyFaces mailing
>> list, many have shown positive interest in the project providing good
>> sign that the components libraries will be used by developer
>> community. Also the integration will possibly reduce number of
>> discussion in various mailing list of "JSF vs Flex" and will allow
>> developers to create simple Flex application without purchasing
>> FlexBuilder and learning of the technology.
>>
>> MyFaces PMCs have confirmed that there aren't any legal issues for the
>> Flex and JSF integration by pinging the legal mailing list.
>>
>> Thank you!!!
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ji Hoon Kim
>>
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Re: Request for assistance in incubating an Alchemy project
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
Honestly, I wonder whether it is worth pursuing this at all. The proposal
has been posted to this list five times in the last month, with only a
single response. That doesn't fill me with confidence, to say the least. If
there's so little interest in bringing it in at all, that doesn't seem to
augur well for a successful incubation.
I wonder, too, at the doggedness in trying to bring it here, rather than
simply setting up shop at Google Code or the like, and moving forward with
it there.
--
Martin Cooper
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> My name is Jihoon Kim and I was hoping if I could get some guidance in
> incubating a project. I have read through various Wikipages and I do
> have some idea of what must be done to incubate a project, move it to
> a state of a podling, and finally have it promoted. But though I do
> have a rough understanding of the process, I was hoping to get Mentors
> and Champions in helping us implement them.
>
> The project that I had planned is Alchemy project, which will allow
> additional Web 2.0 technologies as JSF component libraries. First set
> of component libraries to include within this project is the bridge
> between Flex and JSF, as can be seen within the following JIRA link
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOMAHAWK-1250.
>
> Initially, I thought to contribute it as a patch to MyFaces, but since
> the size of the contribution was rather large and I was the sole
> developer, MyFaces PMCs have directed me to the Incubator to incubate
> it as component library under Alchemy project. Then when the project
> has matured and have gathered enough community members to sustain the
> maintenance of the code, they said they would consider having it as a
> subproject under the MyFaces main project.
>
> In a nutshell, the contribution is to give users capability in
> creating Flex components as JSF components. So users users would
> create the components as normal JSF components and the contribution
> will create the necessary SWF files and etcetera and link the values
> of the components back to the managed beans using JSON+JavaScript and
> ActionScript. So all users would need is a Jar of the component
> library and they would be able to create Flex applications by creating
> normal JSF components. The contribution will then bind the data from
> managed beans to components within the created SWF file.
>
> Further detail regarding the project has been written up within the
> following proposal :
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal.
>
> Current members who are interested in participating in this project are :
> myself [Jihoon Kim]
> Hazem Saleh [committer within MyFaces]
> Glauco P. Gomes [developer within MyFaces]
> Matthias Wessendorf [who has suggested in helping out as a
> mentor/champion]
> my coworkers
>
> I think that this integration will be an interesting one that users
> can use to create Web 2.0 applications beyond the method of
> JavaScript. Also since I think that this is one of the areas that has
> lots of potential, I think with time there will be additional
> components/ideas related to the contribution that will be brought
> forth [i.e. possible handling of requirement of flash in user's
> browsers {rendering it as a Dojo, HTML, or Flash depending on user's
> browser setting}].
>
> During the discussion of this contribution within the MyFaces mailing
> list, many have shown positive interest in the project providing good
> sign that the components libraries will be used by developer
> community. Also the integration will possibly reduce number of
> discussion in various mailing list of "JSF vs Flex" and will allow
> developers to create simple Flex application without purchasing
> FlexBuilder and learning of the technology.
>
> MyFaces PMCs have confirmed that there aren't any legal issues for the
> Flex and JSF integration by pinging the legal mailing list.
>
> Thank you!!!
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Ji Hoon Kim
>
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