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commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for OpenOffice.org)
Hello,
I would like Raphael publication here once to take this opportunity to ask:
Is it known whether there are independent developers or companies that perform small changes to AOO for money. (i mean changes in the C++ code)
Note:
- "small changes" means contracts of a few thousand euros
- "Changes to AOO" does not mean changes in the official version (the changes could then be incorporated there, but that is not the immediate goal)
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: janI [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> I am pretty sure, you can find independent developers (like
> myself) who can
> and will handle small orders (again like myself).
Yes, but it would be good to know in advance who is willing to perform such work.
I would not employ a programmer, just sometimes ask clients of mine after minor
adjustments of OpenOffice.
> But making a general
> statement is dangerous, since a lot depend on
> a) what you expect for a few thousand euros
In concrete terms, what I demand. "few thousand euros" here is only a general
description of the size of orders. I have no concrete idea what a free C++
programmer with knowledge AOO, demands, possibly 50-80 euro per hour. Too much?
Too little?
> b) if you expect a formal contract
Yes.
(but as a freelance programmer on a contract basis or as a company, not as an
employee)
> with prepayment bills
No, not necessarily, it depends on the particular individual agreement.
> I would never say yes to in general to do developments, but
> with specific
> details I might, and I am sure a lot of other independent C++
> developers
> think in the same way.
I'm afraid it does not make sense to use a general C++ programmers for such small
orders because of too long would need make himself familiar with AOO.
> Please remember this is a list of volunteers (like with LO)
> so our prime
> target is not to make money.
Yes, that's Ok. But it is also not wrong to make money with free software.
I think each of us has to earn his living and I think it's better to do that with
things that we want to move forward, instead of doing other things.
I myself was once a commercial clerk and had voluntarily supported only in my free
time OOo. About 6 years ago I started my own business to provide professional
services for OpenOffice. Nevertheless, I support Open Office also continues to
volunteer.
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for OpenOffice.org)
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 24 June 2013 22:10, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>
> > 1. We have a consultants page on the website:
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html
> >
> > 2. We had a blog post about this:
> >
> > https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/calling_all_openoffice_consultants
> >
> > 3. I've done the SEO to make it so our consultants page is the top
> > Google result for the query "OpenOffice consultants"
> >
> > 4. The consultants page is also linked from our support page:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/support/#professional-services
> >
> > So if someone does offer this service we have a way to make it known.
>
> Yes, this list I know very well, since I'm on it even there.
>
> Note:
> That list includes 10 companies, of which 9 companies offer not to the
> what I asked. Actually there are only three companies offering
> "development", and two of them I know personally and know that they do not
> offer the what I asked.
>
>
> I had asked those who offer such services simple question because I was
> hoping people here could read along, offering such things, or know who does.
>
> I myself am provider of services to AOO, but it does not seem to be easy
> to find someone who actually offers changes to the C++ code to make,
> provided that the relevant contract includes only a few thousand euros.
>
>
> For example LO seems to me that much easier, since one of the developers
> has confirmed to me that it would be no problem also handle orders from a
> few thousand euros.
>
I am pretty sure, you can find independent developers (like myself) who can
and will handle small orders (again like myself). But making a general
statement is dangerous, since a lot depend on
a) what you expect for a few thousand euros
b) if you expect a formal contract setup, with prepayment bills etc.
I would never say yes to in general to do developments, but with specific
details I might, and I am sure a lot of other independent C++ developers
think in the same way.
Please remember this is a list of volunteers (like with LO) so our prime
target is not to make money.
rgds
jan I.
>
> (*)
> I want the company in which the developer is engaged, not mentioned here
>
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for
OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 6/25/13 8:50 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischmidt@gmail.com]
>
>>> I am not familiar with the market for C++ programming, but
>> to me LO is a general offer from a company that is ready to
>> process orders from a minimum size of approximately 5000 euros.
>>>
>>
>> I assume it is Lanedo or Suse which both were involved in the project
>> sponsored by the OSBA. Ok these projects were a little bit bigger than
>> 5000 Euro but nevertheless a smaller company like Lanedo can be more
>> flexible here than bigger companies.
>> It's fine and good to see that smaller ISVs or companies see
>> the benefit
>> of such an offering. And business rules if they have the knowledge and
>> the demand is growing they will probably offer similar things
>> for AOO as
>> well. If customers will ask why should they deny. For political or
>> license reason?
>
> This is an interesting point, and so I had already asked for it, and the company has refused. Whether for political reasons or because of the AOO code too much different than the LO (and then to a need for additional training time) I can not say.
>
mmh, it doesn't really surprise me but I believe this can always change
with growing demand. From my point of view more flexibility and using
the skills more clever would be better.
Juergen
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischmidt@gmail.com]
> > I am not familiar with the market for C++ programming, but
> to me LO is a general offer from a company that is ready to
> process orders from a minimum size of approximately 5000 euros.
> >
>
> I assume it is Lanedo or Suse which both were involved in the project
> sponsored by the OSBA. Ok these projects were a little bit bigger than
> 5000 Euro but nevertheless a smaller company like Lanedo can be more
> flexible here than bigger companies.
> It's fine and good to see that smaller ISVs or companies see
> the benefit
> of such an offering. And business rules if they have the knowledge and
> the demand is growing they will probably offer similar things
> for AOO as
> well. If customers will ask why should they deny. For political or
> license reason?
This is an interesting point, and so I had already asked for it, and the company has refused. Whether for political reasons or because of the AOO code too much different than the LO (and then to a need for additional training time) I can not say.
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for
OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 6/25/13 3:00 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>
>
>> OK. I'm not aware of any companies that offer this at a small scale,
>> just individuals. And what I see is customers posting their
>> requirements on freelance websites and getting bids that way. I've
>> seen people looking for macro and extension work this way. This is
>> easier for them than searching for a company for a very small job.
>
> I am not familiar with the market for C++ programming, but to me LO is a general offer from a company that is ready to process orders from a minimum size of approximately 5000 euros.
>
I assume it is Lanedo or Suse which both were involved in the project
sponsored by the OSBA. Ok these projects were a little bit bigger than
5000 Euro but nevertheless a smaller company like Lanedo can be more
flexible here than bigger companies.
It's fine and good to see that smaller ISVs or companies see the benefit
of such an offering. And business rules if they have the knowledge and
the demand is growing they will probably offer similar things for AOO as
well. If customers will ask why should they deny. For political or
license reason? Probably not if they are interested to run their
business most efficient.
I would simply ask them and make clear that you expect the code under
ALv2 and on base of AOO.
Juergen
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> OK. I'm not aware of any companies that offer this at a small scale,
> just individuals. And what I see is customers posting their
> requirements on freelance websites and getting bids that way. I've
> seen people looking for macro and extension work this way. This is
> easier for them than searching for a company for a very small job.
I am not familiar with the market for C++ programming, but to me LO is a general offer from a company that is ready to process orders from a minimum size of approximately 5000 euros.
Jörg
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>
>> 1. We have a consultants page on the website:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html
>>
>> 2. We had a blog post about this:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/calling_all_openoffice_consultants
>>
>> 3. I've done the SEO to make it so our consultants page is the top
>> Google result for the query "OpenOffice consultants"
>>
>> 4. The consultants page is also linked from our support page:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/support/#professional-services
>>
>> So if someone does offer this service we have a way to make it known.
>
> Yes, this list I know very well, since I'm on it even there.
>
> Note:
> That list includes 10 companies, of which 9 companies offer not to the what I asked. Actually there are only three companies offering "development", and two of them I know personally and know that they do not offer the what I asked.
>
>
> I had asked those who offer such services simple question because I was hoping people here could read along, offering such things, or know who does.
>
> I myself am provider of services to AOO, but it does not seem to be easy to find someone who actually offers changes to the C++ code to make, provided that the relevant contract includes only a few thousand euros.
>
OK. I'm not aware of any companies that offer this at a small scale,
just individuals. And what I see is customers posting their
requirements on freelance websites and getting bids that way. I've
seen people looking for macro and extension work this way. This is
easier for them than searching for a company for a very small job.
-Rob
>
> For example LO seems to me that much easier, since one of the developers has confirmed to me that it would be no problem also handle orders from a few thousand euros.
>
> (*)
> I want the company in which the developer is engaged, not mentioned here
>
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> 1. We have a consultants page on the website:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html
>
> 2. We had a blog post about this:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/calling_all_openoffice_consultants
>
> 3. I've done the SEO to make it so our consultants page is the top
> Google result for the query "OpenOffice consultants"
>
> 4. The consultants page is also linked from our support page:
> http://www.openoffice.org/support/#professional-services
>
> So if someone does offer this service we have a way to make it known.
Yes, this list I know very well, since I'm on it even there.
Note:
That list includes 10 companies, of which 9 companies offer not to the what I asked. Actually there are only three companies offering "development", and two of them I know personally and know that they do not offer the what I asked.
I had asked those who offer such services simple question because I was hoping people here could read along, offering such things, or know who does.
I myself am provider of services to AOO, but it does not seem to be easy to find someone who actually offers changes to the C++ code to make, provided that the relevant contract includes only a few thousand euros.
For example LO seems to me that much easier, since one of the developers has confirmed to me that it would be no problem also handle orders from a few thousand euros.
(*)
I want the company in which the developer is engaged, not mentioned here
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: commercial adaptations of AOO (was: My commercial service for OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like Raphael publication here once to take this opportunity to ask:
>
> Is it known whether there are independent developers or companies that perform small changes to AOO for money. (i mean changes in the C++ code)
>
1. We have a consultants page on the website:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html
2. We had a blog post about this:
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/calling_all_openoffice_consultants
3. I've done the SEO to make it so our consultants page is the top
Google result for the query "OpenOffice consultants"
4. The consultants page is also linked from our support page:
http://www.openoffice.org/support/#professional-services
So if someone does offer this service we have a way to make it known.
-Rob
> Note:
> - "small changes" means contracts of a few thousand euros
> - "Changes to AOO" does not mean changes in the official version (the changes could then be incorporated there, but that is not the immediate goal)
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
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