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Posted to dev@training.apache.org by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> on 2021/11/17 11:31:18 UTC
Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Hi all,
I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly update things, but that's about it ...
What do you think?
If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become a bit more active, I would support that.
If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the tools and we should send this project to the attic.
Chris
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
sure, I see no real reason not to. I will try to upload it somewhere next
year. I've set a reminder for myself.
Cheers,
Lars
On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 11:42 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > We still have content that we'd love to donate but it requires a lot of
> > work to convert from PowerPoint and update the content etc.
>
> Would it be possible to donate it in it’s current form and have others
> work on that?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
>
>
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> We still have content that we'd love to donate but it requires a lot of
> work to convert from PowerPoint and update the content etc.
Would it be possible to donate it in it’s current form and have others work on that?
Kind Regards,
Justin
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>.
Hi everyone,
I'm sorry for the long silence and I'm sorry to begin almost all my mails
to this list with the exact same apology.
I stopped reading ASF mailing lists for a few months but plan to resume
doing so.
I still believe the idea of the Training project is a good one. For me
personally though the founding of the project almost exactly coincided with
a big change in careers which left me with very little spare time.
We still have content that we'd love to donate but it requires a lot of
work to convert from PowerPoint and update the content etc.
Realistically, that's not going to happen anytime soon.
We talked about the restrictive donation policies (for which I am to blame)
before and I believe no one was against changing any of that (basically a
formality now, no? and as Chris pointed out everyone should have commit
access anyway.
Thank you everyone for stepping up with the reports and content and
especially the tooling updates Chris, thank you!
Cheers,
Lars
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 3:59 PM Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
wrote:
> Hi Daryl,
>
> Everybody is allowed to review.
> We even set our repos to committable to anyone who is a committer at a
> single Apache project.
> If you're a committer in any Apache project, you can start contributing.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
> Sent: Dienstag, 7. Dezember 2021 12:33
> To: dev@training.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
> Importance: High
>
> If I am allowed, I can review content. I was the Director of Training for
> JBoss and for Springsource (2004 - 2006). I run my own consultancy with
> 140 Cloud Native and Apache project consultants.
>
>
>
> Daryl Heinz
> CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
>
> Office: 410.861.7941
> e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
> Web: www.dfheinz.com;
> Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive /
> Melbourne, Florida / 32935
> Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road /
> Westminster, Maryland / 21157
> FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS:
> 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
>
> Founder of “DUG Talks” from the Data User Group (www.dugtalks.com)
> unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC
>
>
> Founder of Veterans In Artifical Intelligence – VIAI –
> www.veteransinai.org
>
> Cloudera/Hortonworks Migration to True Open-Source, Systems Integration
> and Training
>
>
> DAMA-compliant Data Governance and Cybersecurity Automated with True Open
> Source
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 3:11 AM
> To: dev@training.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> HI,
>
> I have things I can contribute and would be willing to do so, but we seem
> to have a lack of people to review donated content and perhaps an overly
> restrictive process for accepting content. If we change that we might be
> able to build more of a community. There are also complex issues around IP
> in donated content, but I don’t think there’s anyway around that. An ASF
> project can only release stuff that is compatible with the Apache license.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
>
RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Daryl,
Everybody is allowed to review.
We even set our repos to committable to anyone who is a committer at a single Apache project.
If you're a committer in any Apache project, you can start contributing.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
Sent: Dienstag, 7. Dezember 2021 12:33
To: dev@training.apache.org
Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Importance: High
If I am allowed, I can review content. I was the Director of Training for JBoss and for Springsource (2004 - 2006). I run my own consultancy with 140 Cloud Native and Apache project consultants.
Daryl Heinz
CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
Office: 410.861.7941
e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
Web: www.dfheinz.com;
Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive / Melbourne, Florida / 32935
Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road / Westminster, Maryland / 21157
FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS: 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
Founder of “DUG Talks” from the Data User Group (www.dugtalks.com) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC
Founder of Veterans In Artifical Intelligence – VIAI – www.veteransinai.org
Cloudera/Hortonworks Migration to True Open-Source, Systems Integration and Training
DAMA-compliant Data Governance and Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 3:11 AM
To: dev@training.apache.org
Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
HI,
I have things I can contribute and would be willing to do so, but we seem to have a lack of people to review donated content and perhaps an overly restrictive process for accepting content. If we change that we might be able to build more of a community. There are also complex issues around IP in donated content, but I don’t think there’s anyway around that. An ASF project can only release stuff that is compatible with the Apache license.
Kind Regards,
Justin
RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by "dfheinz dfheinz.com" <df...@dfheinz.com>.
If I am allowed, I can review content. I was the Director of Training for JBoss and for Springsource (2004 - 2006). I run my own consultancy with 140 Cloud Native and Apache project consultants.
Daryl Heinz
CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
Office: 410.861.7941
e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
Web: www.dfheinz.com;
Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive / Melbourne, Florida / 32935
Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road / Westminster, Maryland / 21157
FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS: 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
Founder of “DUG Talks” from the Data User Group (www.dugtalks.com) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC
Founder of Veterans In Artifical Intelligence – VIAI – www.veteransinai.org
Cloudera/Hortonworks Migration to True Open-Source, Systems Integration and Training
DAMA-compliant Data Governance and Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 3:11 AM
To: dev@training.apache.org
Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
HI,
I have things I can contribute and would be willing to do so, but we seem to have a lack of people to review donated content and perhaps an overly restrictive process for accepting content. If we change that we might be able to build more of a community. There are also complex issues around IP in donated content, but I don’t think there’s anyway around that. An ASF project can only release stuff that is compatible with the Apache license.
Kind Regards,
Justin
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
I have things I can contribute and would be willing to do so, but we seem to have a lack of people to review donated content and perhaps an overly restrictive process for accepting content. If we change that we might be able to build more of a community. There are also complex issues around IP in donated content, but I don’t think there’s anyway around that. An ASF project can only release stuff that is compatible with the Apache license.
Kind Regards,
Justin
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
The tooling... Not the rolling
Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 8:57:18 AM
To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Well... That's the most obvious task to do, but a project should be about more than just writing reports. And that's the main problem. Nobody is submitting any content or working on anything. I update the rolling every now and then, but that's about it.
Chris
Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:13:16 PM
To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Merely a comment/offer -- if the decision to retire training is primarily
due to the burden around preparing board reports, then I am willing to step
in. I imagine that is something that is manageable that I can concretely
address at the needed cadence. This is not meant to suggest training
should not be retired ( I don't have enough knowledge on the merits of
keeping/retiring, overall what success looks like, and this message comes
from someone that has contributed little to training thus far, etc ).
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 1:09 AM Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
wrote:
> Well seems we're going to miss submitting the report again. If this is the
> case, I'll start a vote on retiring training.
>
> Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:02:49 PM
> To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> I would like to contribute as soon as possible. So don't hesitate to share
> with me any backlog of issues to solve or any place where I can pick
> something up.
>
> Regards.
>
> Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 11 h 35 a.m., Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> a écrit :
>
> > HI Alexis,
> >
> > well there are a lot of things you could do. Provide content (Website,
> > Trainings, Start discussions, work on the tooling, Submit incubator
> reports
> > in time)
> >
> > In general there just was absolutely no activity on any of these topics.
> > That was why I was assuming that there's no real interest in the project
> > itself.
> >
> > I have to admit, that being one of the drivers behind another Apache
> > project is a pretty demanding task and I don't feel that I could do the
> > same for a second project.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2021 14:44
> > An: dev@training.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > we continue or retire?
> >
> > Hello Christofer and Daryl,
> > Happy to read your email. How can I help? I'm ready and available.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > *Alexis TADIFO*
> >
> > *Software engineer - IT Consultant*
> >
> > Ingénieur de conception en informatique
> > 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 à 08:33, Christofer Dutz <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de
> >
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi Daryl,
> > >
> > > Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the
> > > time of others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this
> > > project and nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking
> > > vor volunteers to write reports. No need for incubator folks and the
> > board to read them.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:10:28 PM
> > > To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > > Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS]
> > > Should we continue or retire?
> > >
> > > I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements.
> > > It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal.
> > > We need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for
> > > people to contribute training material? The recipient of the training
> > > material definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what
> > > is the incentive for the developers of the training material to
> > > commit? I think a beguiling incentive for committing training
> > > material must be marketed heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that
> > > incentive. I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge
> > > that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
> > >
> > > Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that
> > > have been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are
> > > relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building
> > > enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up.
> > > Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for
> > survival.
> > >
> > > How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Daryl
> > >
> > > Daryl Heinz
> > > CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
> > >
> > > Office: 410.861.7941
> > > e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
> > > Web: www.dfheinz.com<http://www.dfheinz.com>;
> > > Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive /
> > > Melbourne, Florida / 32935
> > > Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road /
> > > Westminster, Maryland / 21157
> > > FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS:
> > > 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
> > >
> > > Founder of "DUG Talks" from the Data User Group (<http://>
> www.dugtalks.com<<http://www.dugtalks.com<>
> > > http://www.dugtalks.com>) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC Founder of
> > > Veterans In Artifical Intelligence - VIAI -
> > > www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org><<http://www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org><><http://www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org><<http://www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org><>>
> http://www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org>>
> > > "Open Core" Migration to True Open-Source Cloud Native Systems
> > > Integration and Training DAMA-compliant Data Governance and
> > > Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
> > > To: dev@training.apache.org
> > > Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > > we continue or retire?
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we
> > > should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
> > > Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next
> > > board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly
> > > update things, but that's about it ...
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become
> > > a bit more active, I would support that.
> > > If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the
> > > tools and we should send this project to the attic.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Well... That's the most obvious task to do, but a project should be about more than just writing reports. And that's the main problem. Nobody is submitting any content or working on anything. I update the rolling every now and then, but that's about it.
Chris
Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:13:16 PM
To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Merely a comment/offer -- if the decision to retire training is primarily
due to the burden around preparing board reports, then I am willing to step
in. I imagine that is something that is manageable that I can concretely
address at the needed cadence. This is not meant to suggest training
should not be retired ( I don't have enough knowledge on the merits of
keeping/retiring, overall what success looks like, and this message comes
from someone that has contributed little to training thus far, etc ).
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 1:09 AM Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
wrote:
> Well seems we're going to miss submitting the report again. If this is the
> case, I'll start a vote on retiring training.
>
> Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:02:49 PM
> To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> I would like to contribute as soon as possible. So don't hesitate to share
> with me any backlog of issues to solve or any place where I can pick
> something up.
>
> Regards.
>
> Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 11 h 35 a.m., Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> a écrit :
>
> > HI Alexis,
> >
> > well there are a lot of things you could do. Provide content (Website,
> > Trainings, Start discussions, work on the tooling, Submit incubator
> reports
> > in time)
> >
> > In general there just was absolutely no activity on any of these topics.
> > That was why I was assuming that there's no real interest in the project
> > itself.
> >
> > I have to admit, that being one of the drivers behind another Apache
> > project is a pretty demanding task and I don't feel that I could do the
> > same for a second project.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2021 14:44
> > An: dev@training.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > we continue or retire?
> >
> > Hello Christofer and Daryl,
> > Happy to read your email. How can I help? I'm ready and available.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > *Alexis TADIFO*
> >
> > *Software engineer - IT Consultant*
> >
> > Ingénieur de conception en informatique
> > 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 à 08:33, Christofer Dutz <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de
> >
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi Daryl,
> > >
> > > Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the
> > > time of others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this
> > > project and nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking
> > > vor volunteers to write reports. No need for incubator folks and the
> > board to read them.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:10:28 PM
> > > To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > > Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS]
> > > Should we continue or retire?
> > >
> > > I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements.
> > > It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal.
> > > We need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for
> > > people to contribute training material? The recipient of the training
> > > material definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what
> > > is the incentive for the developers of the training material to
> > > commit? I think a beguiling incentive for committing training
> > > material must be marketed heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that
> > > incentive. I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge
> > > that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
> > >
> > > Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that
> > > have been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are
> > > relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building
> > > enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up.
> > > Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for
> > survival.
> > >
> > > How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Daryl
> > >
> > > Daryl Heinz
> > > CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
> > >
> > > Office: 410.861.7941
> > > e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
> > > Web: www.dfheinz.com<http://www.dfheinz.com>;
> > > Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive /
> > > Melbourne, Florida / 32935
> > > Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road /
> > > Westminster, Maryland / 21157
> > > FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS:
> > > 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
> > >
> > > Founder of "DUG Talks" from the Data User Group (<http://>
> www.dugtalks.com<<http://www.dugtalks.com<>
> > > http://www.dugtalks.com>) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC Founder of
> > > Veterans In Artifical Intelligence - VIAI -
> > > www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org><<http://www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org><>
> http://www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org>>
> > > "Open Core" Migration to True Open-Source Cloud Native Systems
> > > Integration and Training DAMA-compliant Data Governance and
> > > Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
> > > To: dev@training.apache.org
> > > Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > > we continue or retire?
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we
> > > should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
> > > Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next
> > > board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly
> > > update things, but that's about it ...
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become
> > > a bit more active, I would support that.
> > > If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the
> > > tools and we should send this project to the attic.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>.
Merely a comment/offer -- if the decision to retire training is primarily
due to the burden around preparing board reports, then I am willing to step
in. I imagine that is something that is manageable that I can concretely
address at the needed cadence. This is not meant to suggest training
should not be retired ( I don't have enough knowledge on the merits of
keeping/retiring, overall what success looks like, and this message comes
from someone that has contributed little to training thus far, etc ).
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 1:09 AM Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
wrote:
> Well seems we're going to miss submitting the report again. If this is the
> case, I'll start a vote on retiring training.
>
> Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:02:49 PM
> To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> I would like to contribute as soon as possible. So don't hesitate to share
> with me any backlog of issues to solve or any place where I can pick
> something up.
>
> Regards.
>
> Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 11 h 35 a.m., Christofer Dutz <
> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> a écrit :
>
> > HI Alexis,
> >
> > well there are a lot of things you could do. Provide content (Website,
> > Trainings, Start discussions, work on the tooling, Submit incubator
> reports
> > in time)
> >
> > In general there just was absolutely no activity on any of these topics.
> > That was why I was assuming that there's no real interest in the project
> > itself.
> >
> > I have to admit, that being one of the drivers behind another Apache
> > project is a pretty demanding task and I don't feel that I could do the
> > same for a second project.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2021 14:44
> > An: dev@training.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > we continue or retire?
> >
> > Hello Christofer and Daryl,
> > Happy to read your email. How can I help? I'm ready and available.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > *Alexis TADIFO*
> >
> > *Software engineer - IT Consultant*
> >
> > Ingénieur de conception en informatique
> > 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 à 08:33, Christofer Dutz <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de
> >
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi Daryl,
> > >
> > > Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the
> > > time of others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this
> > > project and nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking
> > > vor volunteers to write reports. No need for incubator folks and the
> > board to read them.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:10:28 PM
> > > To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > > Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS]
> > > Should we continue or retire?
> > >
> > > I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements.
> > > It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal.
> > > We need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for
> > > people to contribute training material? The recipient of the training
> > > material definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what
> > > is the incentive for the developers of the training material to
> > > commit? I think a beguiling incentive for committing training
> > > material must be marketed heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that
> > > incentive. I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge
> > > that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
> > >
> > > Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that
> > > have been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are
> > > relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building
> > > enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up.
> > > Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for
> > survival.
> > >
> > > How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Daryl
> > >
> > > Daryl Heinz
> > > CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
> > >
> > > Office: 410.861.7941
> > > e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
> > > Web: www.dfheinz.com<http://www.dfheinz.com>;
> > > Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive /
> > > Melbourne, Florida / 32935
> > > Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road /
> > > Westminster, Maryland / 21157
> > > FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS:
> > > 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
> > >
> > > Founder of "DUG Talks" from the Data User Group (<http://>
> www.dugtalks.com<
> > > http://www.dugtalks.com>) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC Founder of
> > > Veterans In Artifical Intelligence - VIAI -
> > > www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org><
> http://www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org>>
> > > "Open Core" Migration to True Open-Source Cloud Native Systems
> > > Integration and Training DAMA-compliant Data Governance and
> > > Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
> > > To: dev@training.apache.org
> > > Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > > we continue or retire?
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we
> > > should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
> > > Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next
> > > board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly
> > > update things, but that's about it ...
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become
> > > a bit more active, I would support that.
> > > If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the
> > > tools and we should send this project to the attic.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Well seems we're going to miss submitting the report again. If this is the case, I'll start a vote on retiring training.
Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:02:49 PM
To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
I would like to contribute as soon as possible. So don't hesitate to share
with me any backlog of issues to solve or any place where I can pick
something up.
Regards.
Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 11 h 35 a.m., Christofer Dutz <
christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> a écrit :
> HI Alexis,
>
> well there are a lot of things you could do. Provide content (Website,
> Trainings, Start discussions, work on the tooling, Submit incubator reports
> in time)
>
> In general there just was absolutely no activity on any of these topics.
> That was why I was assuming that there's no real interest in the project
> itself.
>
> I have to admit, that being one of the drivers behind another Apache
> project is a pretty demanding task and I don't feel that I could do the
> same for a second project.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2021 14:44
> An: dev@training.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> Hello Christofer and Daryl,
> Happy to read your email. How can I help? I'm ready and available.
>
> Thank you.
>
> *Alexis TADIFO*
>
> *Software engineer - IT Consultant*
>
> Ingénieur de conception en informatique
> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
>
>
> Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 à 08:33, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> a écrit :
>
> > Hi Daryl,
> >
> > Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the
> > time of others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this
> > project and nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking
> > vor volunteers to write reports. No need for incubator folks and the
> board to read them.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > ________________________________
> > From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:10:28 PM
> > To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS]
> > Should we continue or retire?
> >
> > I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements.
> > It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal.
> > We need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for
> > people to contribute training material? The recipient of the training
> > material definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what
> > is the incentive for the developers of the training material to
> > commit? I think a beguiling incentive for committing training
> > material must be marketed heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that
> > incentive. I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge
> > that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
> >
> > Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that
> > have been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are
> > relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building
> > enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up.
> > Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for
> survival.
> >
> > How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Daryl
> >
> > Daryl Heinz
> > CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
> >
> > Office: 410.861.7941
> > e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
> > Web: www.dfheinz.com<http://www.dfheinz.com>;
> > Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive /
> > Melbourne, Florida / 32935
> > Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road /
> > Westminster, Maryland / 21157
> > FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS:
> > 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
> >
> > Founder of "DUG Talks" from the Data User Group (<http://>www.dugtalks.com<
> > http://www.dugtalks.com>) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC Founder of
> > Veterans In Artifical Intelligence - VIAI -
> > www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org><http://www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org>>
> > "Open Core" Migration to True Open-Source Cloud Native Systems
> > Integration and Training DAMA-compliant Data Governance and
> > Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
> > To: dev@training.apache.org
> > Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > we continue or retire?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we
> > should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
> > Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next
> > board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly
> > update things, but that's about it ...
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become
> > a bit more active, I would support that.
> > If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the
> > tools and we should send this project to the attic.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>.
I would like to contribute as soon as possible. So don't hesitate to share
with me any backlog of issues to solve or any place where I can pick
something up.
Regards.
Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 11 h 35 a.m., Christofer Dutz <
christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> a écrit :
> HI Alexis,
>
> well there are a lot of things you could do. Provide content (Website,
> Trainings, Start discussions, work on the tooling, Submit incubator reports
> in time)
>
> In general there just was absolutely no activity on any of these topics.
> That was why I was assuming that there's no real interest in the project
> itself.
>
> I have to admit, that being one of the drivers behind another Apache
> project is a pretty demanding task and I don't feel that I could do the
> same for a second project.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2021 14:44
> An: dev@training.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> Hello Christofer and Daryl,
> Happy to read your email. How can I help? I'm ready and available.
>
> Thank you.
>
> *Alexis TADIFO*
>
> *Software engineer - IT Consultant*
>
> Ingénieur de conception en informatique
> 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
>
>
> Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 à 08:33, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> a écrit :
>
> > Hi Daryl,
> >
> > Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the
> > time of others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this
> > project and nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking
> > vor volunteers to write reports. No need for incubator folks and the
> board to read them.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > ________________________________
> > From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:10:28 PM
> > To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> > Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS]
> > Should we continue or retire?
> >
> > I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements.
> > It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal.
> > We need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for
> > people to contribute training material? The recipient of the training
> > material definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what
> > is the incentive for the developers of the training material to
> > commit? I think a beguiling incentive for committing training
> > material must be marketed heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that
> > incentive. I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge
> > that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
> >
> > Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that
> > have been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are
> > relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building
> > enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up.
> > Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for
> survival.
> >
> > How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Daryl
> >
> > Daryl Heinz
> > CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
> >
> > Office: 410.861.7941
> > e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
> > Web: www.dfheinz.com<http://www.dfheinz.com>;
> > Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive /
> > Melbourne, Florida / 32935
> > Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road /
> > Westminster, Maryland / 21157
> > FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS:
> > 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
> >
> > Founder of "DUG Talks" from the Data User Group (www.dugtalks.com<
> > http://www.dugtalks.com>) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC Founder of
> > Veterans In Artifical Intelligence - VIAI -
> > www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org>
> > "Open Core" Migration to True Open-Source Cloud Native Systems
> > Integration and Training DAMA-compliant Data Governance and
> > Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
> > To: dev@training.apache.org
> > Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > we continue or retire?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we
> > should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
> > Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next
> > board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly
> > update things, but that's about it ...
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become
> > a bit more active, I would support that.
> > If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the
> > tools and we should send this project to the attic.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
AW: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
HI Alexis,
well there are a lot of things you could do. Provide content (Website, Trainings, Start discussions, work on the tooling, Submit incubator reports in time)
In general there just was absolutely no activity on any of these topics. That was why I was assuming that there's no real interest in the project itself.
I have to admit, that being one of the drivers behind another Apache project is a pretty demanding task and I don't feel that I could do the same for a second project.
Chris
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2021 14:44
An: dev@training.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Hello Christofer and Daryl,
Happy to read your email. How can I help? I'm ready and available.
Thank you.
*Alexis TADIFO*
*Software engineer - IT Consultant*
Ingénieur de conception en informatique
📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 à 08:33, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> a écrit :
> Hi Daryl,
>
> Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the
> time of others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this
> project and nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking
> vor volunteers to write reports. No need for incubator folks and the board to read them.
>
> Chris
>
> Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:10:28 PM
> To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS]
> Should we continue or retire?
>
> I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements.
> It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal.
> We need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for
> people to contribute training material? The recipient of the training
> material definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what
> is the incentive for the developers of the training material to
> commit? I think a beguiling incentive for committing training
> material must be marketed heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that
> incentive. I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge
> that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
>
> Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that
> have been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are
> relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building
> enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up.
> Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for survival.
>
> How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
>
> Best Regards,
> Daryl
>
> Daryl Heinz
> CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
>
> Office: 410.861.7941
> e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
> Web: www.dfheinz.com<http://www.dfheinz.com>;
> Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive /
> Melbourne, Florida / 32935
> Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road /
> Westminster, Maryland / 21157
> FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS:
> 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
>
> Founder of "DUG Talks" from the Data User Group (www.dugtalks.com<
> http://www.dugtalks.com>) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC Founder of
> Veterans In Artifical Intelligence - VIAI -
> www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org>
> "Open Core" Migration to True Open-Source Cloud Native Systems
> Integration and Training DAMA-compliant Data Governance and
> Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
> To: dev@training.apache.org
> Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we
> should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
> Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next
> board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly
> update things, but that's about it ...
>
> What do you think?
>
> If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become
> a bit more active, I would support that.
> If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the
> tools and we should send this project to the attic.
>
> Chris
>
>
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Alexis TADIFO <al...@gmail.com>.
Hello Christofer and Daryl,
Happy to read your email. How can I help? I'm ready and available.
Thank you.
*Alexis TADIFO*
*Software engineer - IT Consultant*
Ingénieur de conception en informatique
📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877
Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 à 08:33, Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> a
écrit :
> Hi Daryl,
>
> Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the time of
> others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this project and
> nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking vor volunteers to
> write reports. No need for incubator folks and the board to read them.
>
> Chris
>
> Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:10:28 PM
> To: dev@training.apache.org <de...@training.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements.
> It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal. We
> need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for people to
> contribute training material? The recipient of the training material
> definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what is the
> incentive for the developers of the training material to commit? I think a
> beguiling incentive for committing training material must be marketed
> heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that incentive. I know the
> incentive must compete against the knowledge that training material is a
> sellable, profitable commodity.
>
> Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that have
> been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are relevant, and
> made easily accessible, there is a chance of building enthusiasm for this
> project from the developer community up. Relevant, Accessible and Marketed
> effectively are the criteria for survival.
>
> How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
>
> Best Regards,
> Daryl
>
> Daryl Heinz
> CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
>
> Office: 410.861.7941
> e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
> Web: www.dfheinz.com<http://www.dfheinz.com>;
> Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive /
> Melbourne, Florida / 32935
> Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road /
> Westminster, Maryland / 21157
> FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS:
> 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
>
> Founder of "DUG Talks" from the Data User Group (www.dugtalks.com<
> http://www.dugtalks.com>) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC
> Founder of Veterans In Artifical Intelligence - VIAI -
> www.veteransinai.org<http://www.veteransinai.org>
> "Open Core" Migration to True Open-Source Cloud Native
> Systems Integration and Training
> DAMA-compliant Data Governance and Cybersecurity Automated with True Open
> Source
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
> To: dev@training.apache.org
> Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we
> continue or retire?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we should
> discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
> Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next
> board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly update
> things, but that's about it ...
>
> What do you think?
>
> If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become a
> bit more active, I would support that.
> If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the
> tools and we should send this project to the attic.
>
> Chris
>
>
Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Daryl,
Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the time of others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this project and nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking vor volunteers to write reports. No need for incubator folks and the board to read them.
Chris
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From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <df...@dfheinz.com>
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Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements. It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal. We need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for people to contribute training material? The recipient of the training material definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what is the incentive for the developers of the training material to commit? I think a beguiling incentive for committing training material must be marketed heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that incentive. I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that have been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up. Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for survival.
How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
Best Regards,
Daryl
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-----Original Message-----
From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
To: dev@training.apache.org
Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Hi all,
I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly update things, but that's about it ...
What do you think?
If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become a bit more active, I would support that.
If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the tools and we should send this project to the attic.
Chris
RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Posted by "dfheinz dfheinz.com" <df...@dfheinz.com>.
I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements. It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal. We need to ask a very basic question: What is the incentive for people to contribute training material? The recipient of the training material definitely benefits. Other than appealing to altruism, what is the incentive for the developers of the training material to commit? I think a beguiling incentive for committing training material must be marketed heavily. I wish I knew how to identify that incentive. I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that have been committed? I think once they are marketed well, are relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up. Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for survival.
How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
Best Regards,
Daryl
Daryl Heinz
CEO, DFHEINZ, LLC
Office: 410.861.7941
e-mail: dfheinz@dfheinz.com
Web: www.dfheinz.com;
Locations: Florida Space Coast: 4527 Coquina Ridge Drive / Melbourne, Florida / 32935
Baltimore/Washington: 409 Leppo Road / Westminster, Maryland / 21157
FL LLC doc number: L09000008481/DUNS: 009273874/CAGE CODE: 82DN1
Founder of "DUG Talks" from the Data User Group (www.dugtalks.com) unleashed by DFHEINZ, LLC
Founder of Veterans In Artifical Intelligence - VIAI - www.veteransinai.org
"Open Core" Migration to True Open-Source Cloud Native
Systems Integration and Training
DAMA-compliant Data Governance and Cybersecurity Automated with True Open Source
-----Original Message-----
From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
To: dev@training.apache.org
Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should we continue or retire?
Hi all,
I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly update things, but that's about it ...
What do you think?
If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become a bit more active, I would support that.
If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the tools and we should send this project to the attic.
Chris