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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> on 2021/02/01 10:17:28 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
All,
I checked the repository again (was going to start a vote thread on the same), I think the terraform license could be an issue which is MPL. Can PMC guide us and comment if MPL is compatible with APL, and should we ask Hashicorp to relicense the repository before the CloudStack community and project takes over that repository?
The rough steps and tasks are:
* Discuss and resolve the issue of license compatbility and re-licensing to Apache License v2.0
* Create a new repository apache/cloudstack-terraform-provider that will takeover code (a git mirror or github repo transfer) from https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack
* CloudStack project will join Hashicorp Technology partnership program (see Wido's comment [1][2])
* The community will maintain and help with releases of the terraform provider
The alternative is interested parties just join the terraform-provider-cloudstack repo as maintainer/committers. Thoughts? Thanks.
[1] https://markmail.org/message/2r5azbfugovx7ypw
[2] https://www.hashicorp.com/partners/become-a-partner#technology
Regards.
________________________________
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 02:16
To: Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>; Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloud.ca>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
I have no objection to that.
On Fri., Jan. 29, 2021, 11:14 a.m. Rohit Yadav, <ro...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
Hi Wido, Will, PL, all,
I think I can setup a repository and request ASF infra (who prefers a JIRA ticket) to enable PR/issue on it, anybody has an objection to a new apache/cloudstack-terraform repo to maintain the provider plugin?
Regards.
rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
@shapeblue
________________________________
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 19:49
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Cc: users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>>; Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>>; Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>>; Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloud.ca>>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
Hey PLD,
You may want to tune into this. I think you may be maintaining a fork based on this code, but I am not positive.
On Fri., Jan. 29, 2021, 6:07 a.m. Wido den Hollander, <wi...@widodh.nl>> wrote:
On 28/01/2021 10:55, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> Agree we can ask that.
>
Is infra from ASF the place to ask this?
Wido
>
> Regards.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 15:35
> To: Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>>; users@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
>
>
>
> On 1/27/21 12:18 AM, Niclas Lindblom wrote:
>> I can confirm that the Terraform plugin is working if it is already installed, since it was archived it no longer automatically downloads when applying unless manually installed.
>>
>> From the Hashicorp website, it appears it was archived when they moved all plugins to their registry and needs an owner and an email to Hashicorp to be moved into to the registry and supported again when running Terraform. I use it regularly but haven’t got the technical skills to maintain the code so been hoping this would be resolved.
>>
>
> I mailed Hashicorp to ask about this:
>
> "Thanks for reaching out. The provider was archived because we launched
> the Terraform Registry last year which allows vendors to host and
> publish their own providers. We'd be happy to work with you to transfer
> the repository over to a CloudStack Github organization where you can
> build and publish releases to the registry.
>
> We'd also like to have CloudStack join our Technology partnership
> program so I can mark your Terraform provider as verified."
>
> So I think we don't need to do much technology-wise.
>
> I don't use Terraform and don't have a major stake in it, but I would
> hate to see the Provider being removed from Terraform.
>
> Should we request https://github.com/apache/cloudstack-terraform at
> infra and then host the Provider there?
>
> Wido
>
>> Niclas
>>
>>
> rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> 3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>
rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
@shapeblue
> On 26 Jan 2021, at 18:33, christian.niephaus@zv.fraunhofer.de<ma...@zv.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 26. Jan 2021, at 10:45, Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/26/21 10:40 AM, christian.niephaus@zv.fraunhofer.de<ma...@zv.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
>>>>> On 25. Jan 2021, at 12:40, Abhishek Kumar <Ab...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terraform CoudStack provider by Hashicorp is archived here https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone using or maintaining it?
>>>>>
>>>>> We are also using it heavily and are somewhat worried about the module being archived.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. But do we know why this has been done? What needs to be done to
>>>> un-archive it?
>>>>
>>>> If it's just a matter of some love and attention we can maybe arrange
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> Is it technically broken or just abandoned?
>>>
>>> This is just an educated guess, but given that we're not experiencing any technical issues, I believe it has just been abandoned.
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wido
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're aware of Ansible CloudStack module (https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/scenario_guides/guide_cloudstack.html) but are there any other alternatives of Terraform that you may be using with CloudStack?
>>>>>
>>>>> The ansible module is working quite well. However, one of the advantage of terraform imho is that one can easily destroy defined infrastructure with one command, while with ansible 'the destrcution' needs to be implemented in the playbook. Another advantage is that (at least) Gitlab can now maintain terraform states, which quite nicely supports GitOps approaches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Abhishek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abhishek.Kumar@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com><http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>> 3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
AW: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
Posted by pe...@zv.fraunhofer.de.
Hi there Rohit & all,
maybe worth to know, one of major dependencies used by the provider is a CloudStack stub which can be found here:
Project URL:
https://github.com/xanzy/go-cloudstack
Dependency link:
https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack/blob/9ca483a88d6ba5559b241db5b537ad7eaaa417a1/vendor/modules.txt#L218
kind regards
Peter Muryshkin
Fraunhofer Cloud Services
________________________________________
Von: Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Februar 2021 11:17:28
An: private@cloudstack.apache.org; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: users; Niclas Lindblom; Pierre-Luc Dion; Will Stevens
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
All,
I checked the repository again (was going to start a vote thread on the same), I think the terraform license could be an issue which is MPL. Can PMC guide us and comment if MPL is compatible with APL, and should we ask Hashicorp to relicense the repository before the CloudStack community and project takes over that repository?
The rough steps and tasks are:
* Discuss and resolve the issue of license compatbility and re-licensing to Apache License v2.0
* Create a new repository apache/cloudstack-terraform-provider that will takeover code (a git mirror or github repo transfer) from https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack
* CloudStack project will join Hashicorp Technology partnership program (see Wido's comment [1][2])
* The community will maintain and help with releases of the terraform provider
The alternative is interested parties just join the terraform-provider-cloudstack repo as maintainer/committers. Thoughts? Thanks.
[1] https://markmail.org/message/2r5azbfugovx7ypw
[2] https://www.hashicorp.com/partners/become-a-partner#technology
Regards.
________________________________
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 02:16
To: Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>; Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloud.ca>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
I have no objection to that.
On Fri., Jan. 29, 2021, 11:14 a.m. Rohit Yadav, <ro...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
Hi Wido, Will, PL, all,
I think I can setup a repository and request ASF infra (who prefers a JIRA ticket) to enable PR/issue on it, anybody has an objection to a new apache/cloudstack-terraform repo to maintain the provider plugin?
Regards.
rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
@shapeblue
________________________________
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 19:49
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Cc: users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>>; Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>>; Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>>; Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloud.ca>>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
Hey PLD,
You may want to tune into this. I think you may be maintaining a fork based on this code, but I am not positive.
On Fri., Jan. 29, 2021, 6:07 a.m. Wido den Hollander, <wi...@widodh.nl>> wrote:
On 28/01/2021 10:55, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> Agree we can ask that.
>
Is infra from ASF the place to ask this?
Wido
>
> Regards.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 15:35
> To: Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>>; users@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
>
>
>
> On 1/27/21 12:18 AM, Niclas Lindblom wrote:
>> I can confirm that the Terraform plugin is working if it is already installed, since it was archived it no longer automatically downloads when applying unless manually installed.
>>
>> From the Hashicorp website, it appears it was archived when they moved all plugins to their registry and needs an owner and an email to Hashicorp to be moved into to the registry and supported again when running Terraform. I use it regularly but haven’t got the technical skills to maintain the code so been hoping this would be resolved.
>>
>
> I mailed Hashicorp to ask about this:
>
> "Thanks for reaching out. The provider was archived because we launched
> the Terraform Registry last year which allows vendors to host and
> publish their own providers. We'd be happy to work with you to transfer
> the repository over to a CloudStack Github organization where you can
> build and publish releases to the registry.
>
> We'd also like to have CloudStack join our Technology partnership
> program so I can mark your Terraform provider as verified."
>
> So I think we don't need to do much technology-wise.
>
> I don't use Terraform and don't have a major stake in it, but I would
> hate to see the Provider being removed from Terraform.
>
> Should we request https://github.com/apache/cloudstack-terraform at
> infra and then host the Provider there?
>
> Wido
>
>> Niclas
>>
>>
> rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> 3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>
rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
@shapeblue
> On 26 Jan 2021, at 18:33, christian.niephaus@zv.fraunhofer.de<ma...@zv.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 26. Jan 2021, at 10:45, Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/26/21 10:40 AM, christian.niephaus@zv.fraunhofer.de<ma...@zv.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
>>>>> On 25. Jan 2021, at 12:40, Abhishek Kumar <Ab...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terraform CoudStack provider by Hashicorp is archived here https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone using or maintaining it?
>>>>>
>>>>> We are also using it heavily and are somewhat worried about the module being archived.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. But do we know why this has been done? What needs to be done to
>>>> un-archive it?
>>>>
>>>> If it's just a matter of some love and attention we can maybe arrange
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> Is it technically broken or just abandoned?
>>>
>>> This is just an educated guess, but given that we're not experiencing any technical issues, I believe it has just been abandoned.
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wido
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're aware of Ansible CloudStack module (https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/scenario_guides/guide_cloudstack.html) but are there any other alternatives of Terraform that you may be using with CloudStack?
>>>>>
>>>>> The ansible module is working quite well. However, one of the advantage of terraform imho is that one can easily destroy defined infrastructure with one command, while with ansible 'the destrcution' needs to be implemented in the playbook. Another advantage is that (at least) Gitlab can now maintain terraform states, which quite nicely supports GitOps approaches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Abhishek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abhishek.Kumar@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com><http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>> 3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
AW: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
Posted by pe...@zv.fraunhofer.de.
Hi there Rohit & all,
maybe worth to know, one of major dependencies used by the provider is a CloudStack stub which can be found here:
Project URL:
https://github.com/xanzy/go-cloudstack
Dependency link:
https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack/blob/9ca483a88d6ba5559b241db5b537ad7eaaa417a1/vendor/modules.txt#L218
kind regards
Peter Muryshkin
Fraunhofer Cloud Services
________________________________________
Von: Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Februar 2021 11:17:28
An: private@cloudstack.apache.org; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: users; Niclas Lindblom; Pierre-Luc Dion; Will Stevens
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
All,
I checked the repository again (was going to start a vote thread on the same), I think the terraform license could be an issue which is MPL. Can PMC guide us and comment if MPL is compatible with APL, and should we ask Hashicorp to relicense the repository before the CloudStack community and project takes over that repository?
The rough steps and tasks are:
* Discuss and resolve the issue of license compatbility and re-licensing to Apache License v2.0
* Create a new repository apache/cloudstack-terraform-provider that will takeover code (a git mirror or github repo transfer) from https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack
* CloudStack project will join Hashicorp Technology partnership program (see Wido's comment [1][2])
* The community will maintain and help with releases of the terraform provider
The alternative is interested parties just join the terraform-provider-cloudstack repo as maintainer/committers. Thoughts? Thanks.
[1] https://markmail.org/message/2r5azbfugovx7ypw
[2] https://www.hashicorp.com/partners/become-a-partner#technology
Regards.
________________________________
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 02:16
To: Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>; Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloud.ca>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
I have no objection to that.
On Fri., Jan. 29, 2021, 11:14 a.m. Rohit Yadav, <ro...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
Hi Wido, Will, PL, all,
I think I can setup a repository and request ASF infra (who prefers a JIRA ticket) to enable PR/issue on it, anybody has an objection to a new apache/cloudstack-terraform repo to maintain the provider plugin?
Regards.
rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
@shapeblue
________________________________
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 19:49
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
Cc: users <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>>; Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>>; Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>>; Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloud.ca>>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
Hey PLD,
You may want to tune into this. I think you may be maintaining a fork based on this code, but I am not positive.
On Fri., Jan. 29, 2021, 6:07 a.m. Wido den Hollander, <wi...@widodh.nl>> wrote:
On 28/01/2021 10:55, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> Agree we can ask that.
>
Is infra from ASF the place to ask this?
Wido
>
> Regards.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 15:35
> To: Niclas Lindblom <ni...@icloud.com>>; users@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org> <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Terraform CloudStack provider
>
>
>
> On 1/27/21 12:18 AM, Niclas Lindblom wrote:
>> I can confirm that the Terraform plugin is working if it is already installed, since it was archived it no longer automatically downloads when applying unless manually installed.
>>
>> From the Hashicorp website, it appears it was archived when they moved all plugins to their registry and needs an owner and an email to Hashicorp to be moved into to the registry and supported again when running Terraform. I use it regularly but haven’t got the technical skills to maintain the code so been hoping this would be resolved.
>>
>
> I mailed Hashicorp to ask about this:
>
> "Thanks for reaching out. The provider was archived because we launched
> the Terraform Registry last year which allows vendors to host and
> publish their own providers. We'd be happy to work with you to transfer
> the repository over to a CloudStack Github organization where you can
> build and publish releases to the registry.
>
> We'd also like to have CloudStack join our Technology partnership
> program so I can mark your Terraform provider as verified."
>
> So I think we don't need to do much technology-wise.
>
> I don't use Terraform and don't have a major stake in it, but I would
> hate to see the Provider being removed from Terraform.
>
> Should we request https://github.com/apache/cloudstack-terraform at
> infra and then host the Provider there?
>
> Wido
>
>> Niclas
>>
>>
> rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> 3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>
rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
@shapeblue
> On 26 Jan 2021, at 18:33, christian.niephaus@zv.fraunhofer.de<ma...@zv.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 26. Jan 2021, at 10:45, Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/26/21 10:40 AM, christian.niephaus@zv.fraunhofer.de<ma...@zv.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
>>>>> On 25. Jan 2021, at 12:40, Abhishek Kumar <Ab...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terraform CoudStack provider by Hashicorp is archived here https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-provider-cloudstack
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone using or maintaining it?
>>>>>
>>>>> We are also using it heavily and are somewhat worried about the module being archived.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. But do we know why this has been done? What needs to be done to
>>>> un-archive it?
>>>>
>>>> If it's just a matter of some love and attention we can maybe arrange
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> Is it technically broken or just abandoned?
>>>
>>> This is just an educated guess, but given that we're not experiencing any technical issues, I believe it has just been abandoned.
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wido
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're aware of Ansible CloudStack module (https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/scenario_guides/guide_cloudstack.html) but are there any other alternatives of Terraform that you may be using with CloudStack?
>>>>>
>>>>> The ansible module is working quite well. However, one of the advantage of terraform imho is that one can easily destroy defined infrastructure with one command, while with ansible 'the destrcution' needs to be implemented in the playbook. Another advantage is that (at least) Gitlab can now maintain terraform states, which quite nicely supports GitOps approaches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Abhishek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abhishek.Kumar@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
>>>>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com><http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>>>> 3 London Bridge Street, 3rd floor, News Building, London SE1 9SGUK
>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>