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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com> on 2012/01/07 13:21:40 UTC
Flex Usage Statistics
Hi there,
Because the last two month had been most turbulent times
in my career as Flex developer, I thought it would be a good
idea to recap where Flex application development stands
today. Therefore I decided to start a little survey asking three
main questions to the Flex community:
Question 1:
How many MXML files do you have in your latest Flex projects?
Question 2:
Which Model-View-Controller (MVC) Microarchitectures have you used in
your Flex projects?
Question 2.1 (Only Optional):
In case you have used other MVC Microarchitectures ... Could you
please provide the Name & the Link to these MVC Microarchitectures?
Question 3:
Which Cairngorm 3 Libraries have you used in your Flex projects?
The results of this survey can be found here:
http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/Statistics
...
These results will be part of another discussion which I
am currently working on called "What's wrong with Flex?":
http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/WhatsWrongWithFlex
As an "Initial Committer", of cause, I am hoping that these issues,
I am seeing in Flex development, will be improved in a forthcoming
version of Flex.
Kind regards,
Sebastian Mohr
Adobe Flex Developer,
Interaction Designer & Software Architect
http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
Apache infrastructure team will set up JIRA. Then we will attempt to port
existing Flex SDK issues for Adobe JIRA. That is considered to be a painful
and time consuming process, but I don't think the community can help.
On 1/8/12 10:31 AM, "Csomák Gábor" <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> can we help in anyway to help setup jira?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
>>> issues,
>>> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably happen on
>>> the
>>> list.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed with Alex.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Campos
>>
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Csomák Gábor <cs...@gmail.com>.
can we help in anyway to help setup jira?
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
> > issues,
> > the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably happen on
> > the
> > list.
> >
>
> Agreed with Alex.
>
> --
> Jonathan Campos
>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
> issues,
> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably happen on
> the
> list.
>
Agreed with Alex.
--
Jonathan Campos
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>.
No problem -- like I said, I know you didn't do it intentionally, but that
is one of the things where people voting for features and collectivally
putting together the surveys would solve.
-Nick
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh ... I see!
>
> I thought I caught this case with this answer:
>
> "I have developed my own MVC Microarchitecture(s)"
>
> But you are right ... I should have added this answer, too:
>
> "I don't use the MVC architectural design pattern in my Flex project(s)"
>
> Sorry ... this was my first one shot survey :)
>
>
> - Sebastian
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>
> Understood, but the survey is making the grand assumption that /everybody/
>> is using some sort of MVC framework, which was my point. There is no out
>> on the survey, and some people (like myself) would simply not answer the
>> survey at all.
>>
>> While in the Flex world, there is an overwhelming majority of the people
>> that use MVC style frameworks, that is not the case for 100% of the
>> population. I personally use an I-O style of programming, which is not
>> really MVC.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> @Nick ... Thx for your comment. The intent of Question 2:
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/p/****masuland/wiki/Statistics#**<http://code.google.com/p/**masuland/wiki/Statistics#**>
>>> Question_2:_Which_Model-View-****Controller_(MVC)_****
>>> Microarchitectures<http://**code.google.com/p/masuland/**
>>> wiki/Statistics#Question_2:_**Which_Model-View-Controller_(**
>>> MVC)_Microarchitectures<http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/Statistics#Question_2:_Which_Model-View-Controller_(MVC)_Microarchitectures>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ... was definitely not to suggest a specific Microarchitecture. Instead,
>>> it should only show which Microarchitecture has been used more often
>>> in Flex developers past projects. And the result makes sense to me,
>>> because, Cairngorm 2 and PureMVC where the first MVC
>>> Microarchitecture frameworks for Flex.
>>>
>>> It wasn't a "Which Microsarchitecture do you like the most?"
>>> question. But I see your point that this could be misinterpreted
>>> somehow ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed, 100%.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Surveys outside of that can be swayed to however the creator wants it to
>>>> end up. For example, with all the people I talk to, Caringorm has been
>>>> barely a blip on anybody's radar for at least two years -- where this
>>>> survey shows a completely different story (and steers people to
>>>> suggested
>>>> use of Caringorm). I doubt that was the author's intent, but it was
>>>> pretty
>>>> glaring to me.
>>>>
>>>> -Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
>>>>> issues,
>>>>> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably happen
>>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Harui
>>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Wael Jammal <wa...@rsnewmedia.co.uk>.
Thanks for the response, it doesn't have to be in the survey but thinking
about it there should be a page added with a list of Frameworks and Blogs
that are actively contributing to Flex. (parsley, rl, bojinx, swizz etc.)
I also
contribute work towards ND2D and Starling as well as my framework and
would be willing to contribute more if there is a user base. It
would go a long way to keeping the community lively. I believe developers
would be more inclined to continue contributing
third party frameworks and components to the flex framework if they have a
user base.
Apart from maintaining my framework for current clients I bet I would
loose interest in it if no one used it anymore :(.
Just a suggestion anyway.
Wael
On 10/01/2012 17:35, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>@Wael Jammal
>
>It's great to see your interest adding more
>valueable data to my initialised survey. I could
>reopening this survey within seconds, but, I have
>some concerns that new values would blur the
>correctness of the existing data - because now
>results have been made public ... but if there
>would be the interest to continue this survey
>let me know.
>
>Furthermore, if you are interested to start your
>own survey you can set it up here for free:
>
>http://www.kwiksurveys.com
>
>
>-- Sebastian
>
>
>
>On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Wael Jammal wrote:
>
>> How do you get an entry on that list? I must have missed this. I would
>> like to add my own.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On 09/01/2012 01:25, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh ... I see!
>>>
>>> I thought I caught this case with this answer:
>>>
>>> "I have developed my own MVC Microarchitecture(s)"
>>>
>>> But you are right ... I should have added this answer, too:
>>>
>>> "I don't use the MVC architectural design pattern in my Flex
>>>project(s)"
>>>
>>> Sorry ... this was my first one shot survey :)
>>>
>>>
>>> - Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Understood, but the survey is making the grand assumption that /
>>>> everybody/
>>>> is using some sort of MVC framework, which was my point. There is
>>>> no out
>>>> on the survey, and some people (like myself) would simply not answer
>>>> the
>>>> survey at all.
>>>>
>>>> While in the Flex world, there is an overwhelming majority of the
>>>> people
>>>> that use MVC style frameworks, that is not the case for 100% of the
>>>> population. I personally use an I-O style of programming, which is
>>>> not
>>>> really MVC.
>>>>
>>>> -Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Nick ... Thx for your comment. The intent of Question 2:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/**masuland/wiki/Statistics#**
>>>>> Question_2:_Which_Model-View-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>**Controller_(MVC)_**Microarchitectures<http://code.google.com/p/masul
>>>>>an
>>>>>
>>>>>d/wiki/Statistics#Question_2:_Which_Model-View-Controller_(MVC)_Microa
>>>>>rc
>>>>> hitectures
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ... was definitely not to suggest a specific Microarchitecture.
>>>>> Instead,
>>>>> it should only show which Microarchitecture has been used more often
>>>>> in Flex developers past projects. And the result makes sense to me,
>>>>> because, Cairngorm 2 and PureMVC where the first MVC
>>>>> Microarchitecture frameworks for Flex.
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't a "Which Microsarchitecture do you like the most?"
>>>>> question. But I see your point that this could be misinterpreted
>>>>> somehow ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed, 100%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surveys outside of that can be swayed to however the creator wants
>>>>>> it to
>>>>>> end up. For example, with all the people I talk to, Caringorm has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> barely a blip on anybody's radar for at least two years -- where
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> survey shows a completely different story (and steers people to
>>>>>> suggested
>>>>>> use of Caringorm). I doubt that was the author's intent, but it was
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>> glaring to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> issues,
>>>>>>> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably
>>>>>>> happen on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alex Harui
>>>>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>.
@Wael Jammal
It's great to see your interest adding more
valueable data to my initialised survey. I could
reopening this survey within seconds, but, I have
some concerns that new values would blur the
correctness of the existing data - because now
results have been made public ... but if there
would be the interest to continue this survey
let me know.
Furthermore, if you are interested to start your
own survey you can set it up here for free:
http://www.kwiksurveys.com
-- Sebastian
On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Wael Jammal wrote:
> How do you get an entry on that list? I must have missed this. I would
> like to add my own.
>
> Thanks
>
> On 09/01/2012 01:25, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh ... I see!
>>
>> I thought I caught this case with this answer:
>>
>> "I have developed my own MVC Microarchitecture(s)"
>>
>> But you are right ... I should have added this answer, too:
>>
>> "I don't use the MVC architectural design pattern in my Flex project(s)"
>>
>> Sorry ... this was my first one shot survey :)
>>
>>
>> - Sebastian
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>>
>>> Understood, but the survey is making the grand assumption that /
>>> everybody/
>>> is using some sort of MVC framework, which was my point. There is
>>> no out
>>> on the survey, and some people (like myself) would simply not answer
>>> the
>>> survey at all.
>>>
>>> While in the Flex world, there is an overwhelming majority of the
>>> people
>>> that use MVC style frameworks, that is not the case for 100% of the
>>> population. I personally use an I-O style of programming, which is
>>> not
>>> really MVC.
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Nick ... Thx for your comment. The intent of Question 2:
>>>>
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/**masuland/wiki/Statistics#**
>>>> Question_2:_Which_Model-View-
>>>>
>>>> **Controller_(MVC)_**Microarchitectures<http://code.google.com/p/masulan
>>>> d/wiki/Statistics#Question_2:_Which_Model-View-Controller_(MVC)_Microarc
>>>> hitectures
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ... was definitely not to suggest a specific Microarchitecture.
>>>> Instead,
>>>> it should only show which Microarchitecture has been used more often
>>>> in Flex developers past projects. And the result makes sense to me,
>>>> because, Cairngorm 2 and PureMVC where the first MVC
>>>> Microarchitecture frameworks for Flex.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't a "Which Microsarchitecture do you like the most?"
>>>> question. But I see your point that this could be misinterpreted
>>>> somehow ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, 100%.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surveys outside of that can be swayed to however the creator wants
>>>>> it to
>>>>> end up. For example, with all the people I talk to, Caringorm has
>>>>> been
>>>>> barely a blip on anybody's radar for at least two years -- where
>>>>> this
>>>>> survey shows a completely different story (and steers people to
>>>>> suggested
>>>>> use of Caringorm). I doubt that was the author's intent, but it was
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> glaring to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> issues,
>>>>>> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably
>>>>>> happen on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alex Harui
>>>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Wael Jammal <wa...@rsnewmedia.co.uk>.
How do you get an entry on that list? I must have missed this. I would
like to add my own.
Thanks
On 09/01/2012 01:25, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Oh ... I see!
>
>I thought I caught this case with this answer:
>
>"I have developed my own MVC Microarchitecture(s)"
>
>But you are right ... I should have added this answer, too:
>
>"I don't use the MVC architectural design pattern in my Flex project(s)"
>
>Sorry ... this was my first one shot survey :)
>
>
>- Sebastian
>
>
>On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>
>> Understood, but the survey is making the grand assumption that /
>> everybody/
>> is using some sort of MVC framework, which was my point. There is
>> no out
>> on the survey, and some people (like myself) would simply not answer
>> the
>> survey at all.
>>
>> While in the Flex world, there is an overwhelming majority of the
>> people
>> that use MVC style frameworks, that is not the case for 100% of the
>> population. I personally use an I-O style of programming, which is
>> not
>> really MVC.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Nick ... Thx for your comment. The intent of Question 2:
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/p/**masuland/wiki/Statistics#**
>>> Question_2:_Which_Model-View-
>>>
>>>**Controller_(MVC)_**Microarchitectures<http://code.google.com/p/masulan
>>>d/wiki/Statistics#Question_2:_Which_Model-View-Controller_(MVC)_Microarc
>>>hitectures
>>> >
>>>
>>> ... was definitely not to suggest a specific Microarchitecture.
>>> Instead,
>>> it should only show which Microarchitecture has been used more often
>>> in Flex developers past projects. And the result makes sense to me,
>>> because, Cairngorm 2 and PureMVC where the first MVC
>>> Microarchitecture frameworks for Flex.
>>>
>>> It wasn't a "Which Microsarchitecture do you like the most?"
>>> question. But I see your point that this could be misinterpreted
>>> somehow ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed, 100%.
>>>>
>>>> Surveys outside of that can be swayed to however the creator wants
>>>> it to
>>>> end up. For example, with all the people I talk to, Caringorm has
>>>> been
>>>> barely a blip on anybody's radar for at least two years -- where
>>>> this
>>>> survey shows a completely different story (and steers people to
>>>> suggested
>>>> use of Caringorm). I doubt that was the author's intent, but it was
>>>> pretty
>>>> glaring to me.
>>>>
>>>> -Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put
>>>>> in
>>>>> issues,
>>>>> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably
>>>>> happen on
>>>>> the
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Harui
>>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>.
Oh ... I see!
I thought I caught this case with this answer:
"I have developed my own MVC Microarchitecture(s)"
But you are right ... I should have added this answer, too:
"I don't use the MVC architectural design pattern in my Flex project(s)"
Sorry ... this was my first one shot survey :)
- Sebastian
On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
> Understood, but the survey is making the grand assumption that /
> everybody/
> is using some sort of MVC framework, which was my point. There is
> no out
> on the survey, and some people (like myself) would simply not answer
> the
> survey at all.
>
> While in the Flex world, there is an overwhelming majority of the
> people
> that use MVC style frameworks, that is not the case for 100% of the
> population. I personally use an I-O style of programming, which is
> not
> really MVC.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> @Nick ... Thx for your comment. The intent of Question 2:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/**masuland/wiki/Statistics#**
>> Question_2:_Which_Model-View-
>> **Controller_(MVC)_**Microarchitectures<http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/Statistics#Question_2:_Which_Model-View-Controller_(MVC)_Microarchitectures
>> >
>>
>> ... was definitely not to suggest a specific Microarchitecture.
>> Instead,
>> it should only show which Microarchitecture has been used more often
>> in Flex developers past projects. And the result makes sense to me,
>> because, Cairngorm 2 and PureMVC where the first MVC
>> Microarchitecture frameworks for Flex.
>>
>> It wasn't a "Which Microsarchitecture do you like the most?"
>> question. But I see your point that this could be misinterpreted
>> somehow ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, 100%.
>>>
>>> Surveys outside of that can be swayed to however the creator wants
>>> it to
>>> end up. For example, with all the people I talk to, Caringorm has
>>> been
>>> barely a blip on anybody's radar for at least two years -- where
>>> this
>>> survey shows a completely different story (and steers people to
>>> suggested
>>> use of Caringorm). I doubt that was the author's intent, but it was
>>> pretty
>>> glaring to me.
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put
>>>> in
>>>> issues,
>>>> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably
>>>> happen on
>>>> the
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alex Harui
>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>.
Understood, but the survey is making the grand assumption that /everybody/
is using some sort of MVC framework, which was my point. There is no out
on the survey, and some people (like myself) would simply not answer the
survey at all.
While in the Flex world, there is an overwhelming majority of the people
that use MVC style frameworks, that is not the case for 100% of the
population. I personally use an I-O style of programming, which is not
really MVC.
-Nick
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Nick ... Thx for your comment. The intent of Question 2:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/**masuland/wiki/Statistics#**
> Question_2:_Which_Model-View-**Controller_(MVC)_**Microarchitectures<http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/Statistics#Question_2:_Which_Model-View-Controller_(MVC)_Microarchitectures>
>
> ... was definitely not to suggest a specific Microarchitecture. Instead,
> it should only show which Microarchitecture has been used more often
> in Flex developers past projects. And the result makes sense to me,
> because, Cairngorm 2 and PureMVC where the first MVC
> Microarchitecture frameworks for Flex.
>
> It wasn't a "Which Microsarchitecture do you like the most?"
> question. But I see your point that this could be misinterpreted
> somehow ;)
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
>
> Agreed, 100%.
>>
>> Surveys outside of that can be swayed to however the creator wants it to
>> end up. For example, with all the people I talk to, Caringorm has been
>> barely a blip on anybody's radar for at least two years -- where this
>> survey shows a completely different story (and steers people to suggested
>> use of Caringorm). I doubt that was the author's intent, but it was
>> pretty
>> glaring to me.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
>>> issues,
>>> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably happen on
>>> the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex Harui
>>> Flex SDK Team
>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>.
@Nick ... Thx for your comment. The intent of Question 2:
http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/
Statistics#Question_2:_Which_Model-View-
Controller_(MVC)_Microarchitectures
... was definitely not to suggest a specific Microarchitecture. Instead,
it should only show which Microarchitecture has been used more often
in Flex developers past projects. And the result makes sense to me,
because, Cairngorm 2 and PureMVC where the first MVC
Microarchitecture frameworks for Flex.
It wasn't a "Which Microsarchitecture do you like the most?"
question. But I see your point that this could be misinterpreted
somehow ;)
On Jan 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
> Agreed, 100%.
>
> Surveys outside of that can be swayed to however the creator wants
> it to
> end up. For example, with all the people I talk to, Caringorm has
> been
> barely a blip on anybody's radar for at least two years -- where this
> survey shows a completely different story (and steers people to
> suggested
> use of Caringorm). I doubt that was the author's intent, but it was
> pretty
> glaring to me.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
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>> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>>
>> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
>> issues,
>> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably
>> happen on
>> the
>> list.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Harui
>> Flex SDK Team
>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
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>>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>.
Agreed, 100%.
Surveys outside of that can be swayed to however the creator wants it to
end up. For example, with all the people I talk to, Caringorm has been
barely a blip on anybody's radar for at least two years -- where this
survey shows a completely different story (and steers people to suggested
use of Caringorm). I doubt that was the author's intent, but it was pretty
glaring to me.
-Nick
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
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> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>
> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
> issues,
> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably happen on
> the
> list.
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 1/8/12 4:42 PM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you know of any other surveys out there that have been taken so far?
> Does Adobe have some internal surveys which can be made publicly
> availabl
I consider all past data to be obsolete. The world is changing too fast.
Survey's tend to have a deadline. JIRA is an open ended survey. And even
then, folks in this project don't have to do what is popular. They can
submit a bug fix that is only bugging them as long as it doesn't break
anything else.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>.
@Alex
Good point ... haven't thought about JIRA in that way ;) We'll see if
JIRA will do this job!
Do you know of any other surveys out there that have been taken so far?
Does Adobe have some internal surveys which can be made publicly
available?
- Sebastian
On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
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>
>
> On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
>
> I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
> issues,
> the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably
> happen on the
> list.
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you see the need to make more surveys?
I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in issues,
the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably happen on the
list.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Flex Usage Statistics
Posted by Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>.
In my last mail I forgot to mention the questions I have regarding my
survey ;)
http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/Statistics
Are there any surveys out there which fortify the properness of my
first survey?
Do you see the need to make more surveys?
If there is a need to make more surveys, which questions would be
interesting to ask the community?
-Sebastian
On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Sebastian Mohr wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Because the last two month had been most turbulent times
> in my career as Flex developer, I thought it would be a good
> idea to recap where Flex application development stands
> today. Therefore I decided to start a little survey asking three
> main questions to the Flex community:
>
> Question 1:
> How many MXML files do you have in your latest Flex projects?
>
> Question 2:
> Which Model-View-Controller (MVC) Microarchitectures have you used
> in your Flex projects?
>
> Question 2.1 (Only Optional):
> In case you have used other MVC Microarchitectures ... Could you
> please provide the Name & the Link to these MVC Microarchitectures?
>
> Question 3:
> Which Cairngorm 3 Libraries have you used in your Flex projects?
>
> The results of this survey can be found here:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/Statistics
>
> ...
>
> These results will be part of another discussion which I
> am currently working on called "What's wrong with Flex?":
>
> http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/WhatsWrongWithFlex
>
> As an "Initial Committer", of cause, I am hoping that these issues,
> I am seeing in Flex development, will be improved in a forthcoming
> version of Flex.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Sebastian Mohr
> Adobe Flex Developer,
> Interaction Designer & Software Architect
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
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>