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which wiki
Hi, folks.
Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
-A
Re: which wiki
Posted by Diwaker Gupta <di...@maginatics.com>.
FWIW, using a Confluence based wiki (choice b) does have advantages in
terms of better integration with JIRA.
Diwaker
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, folks.
>
> Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
>
> choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>
> -A
--
http://maginatics.com
Re: which wiki
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
Good. seems we have some measured opinions!
Alright, here's a roundup.
Choice A: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ (MoinMoin)
Choice B: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ (Confluence)
related discussions:
http://markmail.org/message/l2h3hgiucnn457rr
http://markmail.org/thread/jg5xrgdv45hihnz5
Tacitly, it feels opinions are stronger towards Choice A, as that's the
only one that's had an explicit +1.
Do we want to vote as a formality? Personally, I'm still +0 as
particularly I don't care about Jira integration and just want *any wiki* :)
-A
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Matt Stephenson <ma...@mattstep.net>wrote:
> +1 to not-confluence.
>
> The integration sucks and the plugins break with new releases (the graphviz
> plugin really sucks it up). Also, no plain text editor.
> On May 15, 2013 1:37 PM, "Suresh Marru" <sm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I personally liked confluence for its markup and JIRA integration. I am +
> > 0 to either of them.
> >
> > If it will help, here are some threads with ad-hoc discussion on the
> > comparison:
> >
> > http://markmail.org/message/l2h3hgiucnn457rr
> > http://markmail.org/thread/jg5xrgdv45hihnz5
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Suresh
> >
> > On May 15, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > ok, so I change my vote to abstain as I don't want my "whatever" vote
> > > skewing things :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Jeremy Daggett
> > > <je...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> I would agree that Confluence/JIRA synergy could be beneficial. I plan
> > to
> > >> track all of my JIRA issues via the Atlassian Mylyn integration...
> > Awesome!
> > >> ;)
> > >>
> > >> /jd
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Diwaker Gupta <
> diwaker@maginatics.com
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> FWIW, using a Confluence based wiki (choice b) does have advantages
> in
> > >>> terms of better integration with JIRA.
> > >>>
> > >>> Diwaker
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Cole <
> adrian.f.cole@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> Hi, folks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> > >>>> choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -A
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> http://maginatics.com
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Matt Stephenson <ma...@mattstep.net>.
+1 to not-confluence.
The integration sucks and the plugins break with new releases (the graphviz
plugin really sucks it up). Also, no plain text editor.
On May 15, 2013 1:37 PM, "Suresh Marru" <sm...@apache.org> wrote:
> I personally liked confluence for its markup and JIRA integration. I am +
> 0 to either of them.
>
> If it will help, here are some threads with ad-hoc discussion on the
> comparison:
>
> http://markmail.org/message/l2h3hgiucnn457rr
> http://markmail.org/thread/jg5xrgdv45hihnz5
>
> Cheers,
> Suresh
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ok, so I change my vote to abstain as I don't want my "whatever" vote
> > skewing things :)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Jeremy Daggett
> > <je...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I would agree that Confluence/JIRA synergy could be beneficial. I plan
> to
> >> track all of my JIRA issues via the Atlassian Mylyn integration...
> Awesome!
> >> ;)
> >>
> >> /jd
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Diwaker Gupta <diwaker@maginatics.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> FWIW, using a Confluence based wiki (choice b) does have advantages in
> >>> terms of better integration with JIRA.
> >>>
> >>> Diwaker
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Hi, folks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> >>>>
> >>>> choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> >>>> choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> >>>>
> >>>> -A
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://maginatics.com
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
As I continually get questions about documentation, I put together an
interim gist until we have our wiki setup:
https://gist.github.com/adriancole/5592785
Below is a snapshot of above. As soon as we've decided and created the
wiki, I'll move it there, so that others can fix it until we agree it is
the right content. I'll also help formalize whichever parts are needed for
documentation. In the mean time, feel free to make comments and I'll
update the gist as I can.
Cheers,
-A
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- https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds
- https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds-chef
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- https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds-labs-openstack
3. note that issues are logged in jiras and referenced in your pull
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- https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JCLOUDS
- if you need to be assigned to an issue, ask
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-
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- jobs notify dev@jclouds.incubator.apache.org
- repositories are noted here:
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- When a pull request has finished review, a committer can merge it by
the following process.
1. git clone
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2. cd incubator-jclouds
3. git pull https://github.com/USERNAME/jclouds.git BRANCH_FROM_PR
4. mvn clean install
5. git push origin master
- if it needs to go into a feature branch like 1.6.x
1. git log (note the commit ids you need to put into 1.6.x)
2. git checkout -t -b 1.6.x origin/1.6.x
3. git cherry-pick COMMIT1 COMMIT2
4. git push origin 1.6.x
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- cloudbees access can be granted by sending an email to
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- failures notify dev@jclouds.incubator.apache.org
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Suresh Marru <sm...@apache.org> wrote:
> I personally liked confluence for its markup and JIRA integration. I am +
> 0 to either of them.
>
> If it will help, here are some threads with ad-hoc discussion on the
> comparison:
>
> http://markmail.org/message/l2h3hgiucnn457rr
> http://markmail.org/thread/jg5xrgdv45hihnz5
>
> Cheers,
> Suresh
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ok, so I change my vote to abstain as I don't want my "whatever" vote
> > skewing things :)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Jeremy Daggett
> > <je...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I would agree that Confluence/JIRA synergy could be beneficial. I plan
> to
> >> track all of my JIRA issues via the Atlassian Mylyn integration...
> Awesome!
> >> ;)
> >>
> >> /jd
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Diwaker Gupta <diwaker@maginatics.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> FWIW, using a Confluence based wiki (choice b) does have advantages in
> >>> terms of better integration with JIRA.
> >>>
> >>> Diwaker
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Hi, folks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> >>>>
> >>>> choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> >>>> choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> >>>>
> >>>> -A
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://maginatics.com
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Suresh Marru <sm...@apache.org>.
I personally liked confluence for its markup and JIRA integration. I am + 0 to either of them.
If it will help, here are some threads with ad-hoc discussion on the comparison:
http://markmail.org/message/l2h3hgiucnn457rr
http://markmail.org/thread/jg5xrgdv45hihnz5
Cheers,
Suresh
On May 15, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, so I change my vote to abstain as I don't want my "whatever" vote
> skewing things :)
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Jeremy Daggett
> <je...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I would agree that Confluence/JIRA synergy could be beneficial. I plan to
>> track all of my JIRA issues via the Atlassian Mylyn integration... Awesome!
>> ;)
>>
>> /jd
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Diwaker Gupta <diwaker@maginatics.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, using a Confluence based wiki (choice b) does have advantages in
>>> terms of better integration with JIRA.
>>>
>>> Diwaker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, folks.
>>>>
>>>> Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
>>>>
>>>> choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
>>>> choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>>>>
>>>> -A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://maginatics.com
>>>
>>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
ok, so I change my vote to abstain as I don't want my "whatever" vote
skewing things :)
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Jeremy Daggett
<je...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I would agree that Confluence/JIRA synergy could be beneficial. I plan to
> track all of my JIRA issues via the Atlassian Mylyn integration... Awesome!
> ;)
>
> /jd
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Diwaker Gupta <diwaker@maginatics.com
> >wrote:
>
> > FWIW, using a Confluence based wiki (choice b) does have advantages in
> > terms of better integration with JIRA.
> >
> > Diwaker
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi, folks.
> > >
> > > Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> > >
> > > choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> > > choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> > >
> > > -A
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://maginatics.com
> >
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Jeremy Daggett <je...@gmail.com>.
I would agree that Confluence/JIRA synergy could be beneficial. I plan to
track all of my JIRA issues via the Atlassian Mylyn integration... Awesome!
;)
/jd
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Diwaker Gupta <di...@maginatics.com>wrote:
> FWIW, using a Confluence based wiki (choice b) does have advantages in
> terms of better integration with JIRA.
>
> Diwaker
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi, folks.
> >
> > Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> >
> > choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> > choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> >
> > -A
>
>
>
> --
> http://maginatics.com
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Diwaker Gupta <di...@maginatics.com>.
FWIW, using a Confluence based wiki (choice b) does have advantages in
terms of better integration with JIRA.
Diwaker
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, folks.
>
> Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
>
> choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>
> -A
--
http://maginatics.com
Re: which wiki
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
Please do, thanks!
On Wednesday, May 15, 2013, Olivier Lamy wrote:
> Sounds good!
> Do you want I take care of infra side @apache ?
>
> 2013/5/15 Becca Wood <silkysun@gmail.com <javascript:;>>:
> > +1 Sounds good to me.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Adrian Cole <adrian.f.cole@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, Becca.
> >>
> >> Thanks for chiming in. So, yeah I don't have a preference, so I'd
> defer to
> >> the one that seems more fun :)
> >>
> >> +1 http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> >>
> >> How bout it?
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Becca Wood wrote:
> >>
> >> > I see the transition to Incubator as an opportunity to really spruce
> up
> >> and
> >> > polish our documentation process and practices. I think that a wiki
> >> could
> >> > be useful to point towards getting started materials for contributors
> >> > without disrupting the basic intentions of jclouds.org. The wiki and
> >> > jclouds.org can supplement each other harmoniously. I'm not worried
> >> that
> >> > we'll lose jclouds.org in transition.
> >> >
> >> > I would be pleased with choice a because of its straightforward
> >> > accessibility (plus playing with MoinMoin kind of amuses me).
> However, I
> >> > can also see a certain appeal to choice b, especially if we do not
> >> > regularly maintain the wiki.
> >> >
> >> > Do you have a preference, Adrian?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Adrian Cole <adrian.f.cole@gmail.com
> >> <javascript:;>
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Right now jclouds.org is in-between and we have no good place to
> >> > elaborate
> >> > > our pull review process ideas and steps. This is the first context
> >> for a
> >> > > wiki. I'd prefer we can have a sanctioned place on ASF as opposed
> to
> >> > using
> >> > > gist etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > In general I don't think we should see this as a threat, but
> understand
> >> > > your pov.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Everett Toews wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I simply have to ask.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Do we *really* need a wiki? Exactly what problem are we trying to
> >> solve
> >> > > > with it?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I don't have anything against wikis per se. They do always wind up
> >> > > rotting
> >> > > > but that's true of any code or documentation.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My concern is that effort will go into the wiki instead of
> improving
> >> > > > jclouds.org. People will add stuff to the wiki "temporarily" or
> they
> >> > > will
> >> > > > put stuff there because it's easier than doing a PR and going
> >> through a
> >> > > > review process for jclouds.org.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If there's something broken about contributing jclouds.org, let's
> >> fix
> >> > > > that. I would rather have jclouds.org rotting a bit less than
> having
> >> > > both
> >> > > > a wiki and website rotting.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Everett
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On May 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Adrian Cole wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi, folks.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> >> > > > > choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -A
> >> > > >
> --
> Olivier Lamy
> Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
> http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>.
Sounds good!
Do you want I take care of infra side @apache ?
2013/5/15 Becca Wood <si...@gmail.com>:
> +1 Sounds good to me.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi, Becca.
>>
>> Thanks for chiming in. So, yeah I don't have a preference, so I'd defer to
>> the one that seems more fun :)
>>
>> +1 http://wiki.apache.org/general/
>>
>> How bout it?
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Becca Wood wrote:
>>
>> > I see the transition to Incubator as an opportunity to really spruce up
>> and
>> > polish our documentation process and practices. I think that a wiki
>> could
>> > be useful to point towards getting started materials for contributors
>> > without disrupting the basic intentions of jclouds.org. The wiki and
>> > jclouds.org can supplement each other harmoniously. I'm not worried
>> that
>> > we'll lose jclouds.org in transition.
>> >
>> > I would be pleased with choice a because of its straightforward
>> > accessibility (plus playing with MoinMoin kind of amuses me). However, I
>> > can also see a certain appeal to choice b, especially if we do not
>> > regularly maintain the wiki.
>> >
>> > Do you have a preference, Adrian?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Adrian Cole <adrian.f.cole@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Right now jclouds.org is in-between and we have no good place to
>> > elaborate
>> > > our pull review process ideas and steps. This is the first context
>> for a
>> > > wiki. I'd prefer we can have a sanctioned place on ASF as opposed to
>> > using
>> > > gist etc.
>> > >
>> > > In general I don't think we should see this as a threat, but understand
>> > > your pov.
>> > >
>> > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Everett Toews wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I simply have to ask.
>> > > >
>> > > > Do we *really* need a wiki? Exactly what problem are we trying to
>> solve
>> > > > with it?
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't have anything against wikis per se. They do always wind up
>> > > rotting
>> > > > but that's true of any code or documentation.
>> > > >
>> > > > My concern is that effort will go into the wiki instead of improving
>> > > > jclouds.org. People will add stuff to the wiki "temporarily" or they
>> > > will
>> > > > put stuff there because it's easier than doing a PR and going
>> through a
>> > > > review process for jclouds.org.
>> > > >
>> > > > If there's something broken about contributing jclouds.org, let's
>> fix
>> > > > that. I would rather have jclouds.org rotting a bit less than having
>> > > both
>> > > > a wiki and website rotting.
>> > > >
>> > > > Everett
>> > > >
>> > > > On May 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Adrian Cole wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi, folks.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
>> > > > > choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -A
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
--
Olivier Lamy
Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
Re: which wiki
Posted by Becca Wood <si...@gmail.com>.
+1 Sounds good to me.
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi, Becca.
>
> Thanks for chiming in. So, yeah I don't have a preference, so I'd defer to
> the one that seems more fun :)
>
> +1 http://wiki.apache.org/general/
>
> How bout it?
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Becca Wood wrote:
>
> > I see the transition to Incubator as an opportunity to really spruce up
> and
> > polish our documentation process and practices. I think that a wiki
> could
> > be useful to point towards getting started materials for contributors
> > without disrupting the basic intentions of jclouds.org. The wiki and
> > jclouds.org can supplement each other harmoniously. I'm not worried
> that
> > we'll lose jclouds.org in transition.
> >
> > I would be pleased with choice a because of its straightforward
> > accessibility (plus playing with MoinMoin kind of amuses me). However, I
> > can also see a certain appeal to choice b, especially if we do not
> > regularly maintain the wiki.
> >
> > Do you have a preference, Adrian?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Adrian Cole <adrian.f.cole@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Right now jclouds.org is in-between and we have no good place to
> > elaborate
> > > our pull review process ideas and steps. This is the first context
> for a
> > > wiki. I'd prefer we can have a sanctioned place on ASF as opposed to
> > using
> > > gist etc.
> > >
> > > In general I don't think we should see this as a threat, but understand
> > > your pov.
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Everett Toews wrote:
> > >
> > > > I simply have to ask.
> > > >
> > > > Do we *really* need a wiki? Exactly what problem are we trying to
> solve
> > > > with it?
> > > >
> > > > I don't have anything against wikis per se. They do always wind up
> > > rotting
> > > > but that's true of any code or documentation.
> > > >
> > > > My concern is that effort will go into the wiki instead of improving
> > > > jclouds.org. People will add stuff to the wiki "temporarily" or they
> > > will
> > > > put stuff there because it's easier than doing a PR and going
> through a
> > > > review process for jclouds.org.
> > > >
> > > > If there's something broken about contributing jclouds.org, let's
> fix
> > > > that. I would rather have jclouds.org rotting a bit less than having
> > > both
> > > > a wiki and website rotting.
> > > >
> > > > Everett
> > > >
> > > > On May 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Adrian Cole wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, folks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> > > > >
> > > > > choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> > > > > choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> > > > >
> > > > > -A
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Becca.
Thanks for chiming in. So, yeah I don't have a preference, so I'd defer to
the one that seems more fun :)
+1 http://wiki.apache.org/general/
How bout it?
On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Becca Wood wrote:
> I see the transition to Incubator as an opportunity to really spruce up and
> polish our documentation process and practices. I think that a wiki could
> be useful to point towards getting started materials for contributors
> without disrupting the basic intentions of jclouds.org. The wiki and
> jclouds.org can supplement each other harmoniously. I'm not worried that
> we'll lose jclouds.org in transition.
>
> I would be pleased with choice a because of its straightforward
> accessibility (plus playing with MoinMoin kind of amuses me). However, I
> can also see a certain appeal to choice b, especially if we do not
> regularly maintain the wiki.
>
> Do you have a preference, Adrian?
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Adrian Cole <adrian.f.cole@gmail.com<javascript:;>
> >wrote:
>
> > Right now jclouds.org is in-between and we have no good place to
> elaborate
> > our pull review process ideas and steps. This is the first context for a
> > wiki. I'd prefer we can have a sanctioned place on ASF as opposed to
> using
> > gist etc.
> >
> > In general I don't think we should see this as a threat, but understand
> > your pov.
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Everett Toews wrote:
> >
> > > I simply have to ask.
> > >
> > > Do we *really* need a wiki? Exactly what problem are we trying to solve
> > > with it?
> > >
> > > I don't have anything against wikis per se. They do always wind up
> > rotting
> > > but that's true of any code or documentation.
> > >
> > > My concern is that effort will go into the wiki instead of improving
> > > jclouds.org. People will add stuff to the wiki "temporarily" or they
> > will
> > > put stuff there because it's easier than doing a PR and going through a
> > > review process for jclouds.org.
> > >
> > > If there's something broken about contributing jclouds.org, let's fix
> > > that. I would rather have jclouds.org rotting a bit less than having
> > both
> > > a wiki and website rotting.
> > >
> > > Everett
> > >
> > > On May 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Adrian Cole wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, folks.
> > > >
> > > > Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> > > >
> > > > choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> > > > choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> > > >
> > > > -A
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Becca Wood <si...@gmail.com>.
I see the transition to Incubator as an opportunity to really spruce up and
polish our documentation process and practices. I think that a wiki could
be useful to point towards getting started materials for contributors
without disrupting the basic intentions of jclouds.org. The wiki and
jclouds.org can supplement each other harmoniously. I'm not worried that
we'll lose jclouds.org in transition.
I would be pleased with choice a because of its straightforward
accessibility (plus playing with MoinMoin kind of amuses me). However, I
can also see a certain appeal to choice b, especially if we do not
regularly maintain the wiki.
Do you have a preference, Adrian?
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Right now jclouds.org is in-between and we have no good place to elaborate
> our pull review process ideas and steps. This is the first context for a
> wiki. I'd prefer we can have a sanctioned place on ASF as opposed to using
> gist etc.
>
> In general I don't think we should see this as a threat, but understand
> your pov.
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Everett Toews wrote:
>
> > I simply have to ask.
> >
> > Do we *really* need a wiki? Exactly what problem are we trying to solve
> > with it?
> >
> > I don't have anything against wikis per se. They do always wind up
> rotting
> > but that's true of any code or documentation.
> >
> > My concern is that effort will go into the wiki instead of improving
> > jclouds.org. People will add stuff to the wiki "temporarily" or they
> will
> > put stuff there because it's easier than doing a PR and going through a
> > review process for jclouds.org.
> >
> > If there's something broken about contributing jclouds.org, let's fix
> > that. I would rather have jclouds.org rotting a bit less than having
> both
> > a wiki and website rotting.
> >
> > Everett
> >
> > On May 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Adrian Cole wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, folks.
> > >
> > > Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> > >
> > > choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> > > choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> > >
> > > -A
> >
> >
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
Right now jclouds.org is in-between and we have no good place to elaborate
our pull review process ideas and steps. This is the first context for a
wiki. I'd prefer we can have a sanctioned place on ASF as opposed to using
gist etc.
In general I don't think we should see this as a threat, but understand
your pov.
On Tuesday, May 14, 2013, Everett Toews wrote:
> I simply have to ask.
>
> Do we *really* need a wiki? Exactly what problem are we trying to solve
> with it?
>
> I don't have anything against wikis per se. They do always wind up rotting
> but that's true of any code or documentation.
>
> My concern is that effort will go into the wiki instead of improving
> jclouds.org. People will add stuff to the wiki "temporarily" or they will
> put stuff there because it's easier than doing a PR and going through a
> review process for jclouds.org.
>
> If there's something broken about contributing jclouds.org, let's fix
> that. I would rather have jclouds.org rotting a bit less than having both
> a wiki and website rotting.
>
> Everett
>
> On May 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Adrian Cole wrote:
>
> > Hi, folks.
> >
> > Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
> >
> > choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> > choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
> >
> > -A
>
>
Re: which wiki
Posted by Everett Toews <ev...@RACKSPACE.COM>.
I simply have to ask.
Do we *really* need a wiki? Exactly what problem are we trying to solve with it?
I don't have anything against wikis per se. They do always wind up rotting but that's true of any code or documentation.
My concern is that effort will go into the wiki instead of improving jclouds.org. People will add stuff to the wiki "temporarily" or they will put stuff there because it's easier than doing a PR and going through a review process for jclouds.org.
If there's something broken about contributing jclouds.org, let's fix that. I would rather have jclouds.org rotting a bit less than having both a wiki and website rotting.
Everett
On May 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Adrian Cole wrote:
> Hi, folks.
>
> Any preferences on which ASF wiki we should use?
>
> choice a: http://wiki.apache.org/general/
> choice b: https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>
> -A