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Ignite Community Page
I have finally found time to add the community page:
https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
Please let me know if it is missing anything.
D.
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Gentlemen,
I want to propose to have a timeout in this thread. I am geographically close
to Gridgain - literally about 25 minutes drive - so I will go there in person
and will try to cross the T's and clarify any issues they might have about the
Apache's incubation requirements and why mentors are asking for certain things
to be done.
Let's chill out and take a couple days off on this issue. In the meanwhile, we
have a great progress with the release so let's finish that one.
Thanks,
Cos
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 01:25AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 16.03.2015 20:39, Branko Čibej wrote:
> > > On 16.03.2015 15:16, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > >> Brane,
> > >>
> > >> Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
> > >> "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
> > >> which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
> > >> Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
> > > I'll take a look and follow up as soon as planetcassandra.org actually
> > > loads for me ... right now it's either down, or my 'net is hosed.
> >
> >
> > Right, let's begin with the first impression of the site:
> >
> > * planetcassandra.org does not use the Cassandra logo, clearly states
> > trademark attribution to the ASF, and clearly states this is a
> > "Datastax community service"
> >
>
> I honestly do not see your point.
>
> In the interests of removing any hypocrisy from your argument, if you look
> on this page "http://planetcassandra.org/cassandra/", then it specifically
> says directly in the BOLD HEADER: "Download DataStax Community Edition —
> Apache Cassandra™". Now, I can make the same argument, that for my
> intentionally naive views, it seems like DataStax is actually in charge of
> official releases of Apache Cassandra. Of course, no one in their right
> mind actually does think that.
>
> With that in mind, I believe that saying "Apache Ignite Developer Hub Run
> By GridGain" is as clear as a bell and we should stop nitpicking here. If
> you still disagree, then provide sound reasoning accompanied by the text
> that in your mind will be proper here.
>
>
>
> > * apacheignite.gridgain.org uses the logo and trademark without any
> > attribution, says it's the "Developer Hub for Apache Ignite" with
> > the "run by GridGain" not so obvious.
> >
>
> I am completely aware about the attribution. The process is in motion to
> add a common footer on every page with proper legal language.
>
>
> >
> > To anyone coming to that site, it would appear that it is /the/ Ignite
> > project's site, rather than a service run by a commercial entity. Notice
> > the difference between "Datastax community service" and "Developer Hub
> > for Apache Ignite"; the former doesn't imply that the site is run by the
> > Apache Cassandra project, the latter does imply it's run by the Apache
> > Ignite project.
> >
>
> Again, see my explanation above.
>
>
> >
> > It doesn't help that ignite.incubator.apache.org posts a link to
> > apacheignite.gridgain.org calling it "our community forum." Whilst
> > cassandra.apache.org does have a link to planetcassandra.org, there is
> > nothing else there to indicate that planetcassandra is in any way
> > affiliated with the ASF.
> >
>
> I changed the text. It now says: "the User Forum".
>
>
> >
> > And there is nothing on the page that would indicate that Ignite is an
> > incubating podling. Note that that the disclaimer is missing from the
> > Ignite web site, too.
>
>
> I have added the incubator egg image to the footer of every page. It's
> impossible not to notice now.
>
>
> >
> > To someone with a suspicious nature all of this might look as if
> > GridGain weren't really serious with its grant of the Ignite code to the
> > ASF and are just trying to (ab)use the ASF brand for some extra free
> > marketing. Please note that I'm not making this accusation, just
> > observing how the current situation could be interpreted. IMO it's
> > actually more of a misunderstanding of how the ASF works and why it
> > works the way it does; and especially why all these strict branding
> > rules (even stricter for podlings) are, in the long run, good for the
> > commercial sponsors, too.
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
On 17.03.2015 09:25, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 16.03.2015 20:39, Branko Čibej wrote:
>>> On 16.03.2015 15:16, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>>>> Brane,
>>>>
>>>> Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
>>>> "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
>>>> which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
>>>> Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
>>> I'll take a look and follow up as soon as planetcassandra.org actually
>>> loads for me ... right now it's either down, or my 'net is hosed.
>>
>> Right, let's begin with the first impression of the site:
>>
>> * planetcassandra.org does not use the Cassandra logo, clearly states
>> trademark attribution to the ASF, and clearly states this is a
>> "Datastax community service"
>>
> I honestly do not see your point.
>
> In the interests of removing any hypocrisy from your argument, if you look
> on this page "http://planetcassandra.org/cassandra/", then it specifically
> says directly in the BOLD HEADER: "Download DataStax Community Edition —
> Apache Cassandra™". Now, I can make the same argument, that for my
> intentionally naive views, it seems like DataStax is actually in charge of
> official releases of Apache Cassandra. Of course, no one in their right
> mind actually does think that.
>
> With that in mind, I believe that saying "Apache Ignite Developer Hub Run
> By GridGain" is as clear as a bell and we should stop nitpicking here. If
> you still disagree, then provide sound reasoning accompanied by the text
> that in your mind will be proper here.
I'm going to say this just once: *YOU* are here to learn how the ASF
works. *I* am trying to help you understand the rules and am doing my
best to explain them and the reasons for them. Calling the *volunteer*
effort I'm putting into this "nitpicking" is less than polite. Telling
me to write content for GridGain's site in my free time is tastless, to
put it mildly.
You seem to assume that our trademark policies are just an impediment
that must be removed with minimal effort, and that vendor neutrality is
just a marketing buzzword, despite my explaining time and again why
that's not the case.
Remind me, why do you think It's a good idea that I spend several hours
a week helping a podling, just to be insulted in public by the likes of you?
-- Brane
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 16.03.2015 20:39, Branko Čibej wrote:
> > On 16.03.2015 15:16, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> >> Brane,
> >>
> >> Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
> >> "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
> >> which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
> >> Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
> > I'll take a look and follow up as soon as planetcassandra.org actually
> > loads for me ... right now it's either down, or my 'net is hosed.
>
>
> Right, let's begin with the first impression of the site:
>
> * planetcassandra.org does not use the Cassandra logo, clearly states
> trademark attribution to the ASF, and clearly states this is a
> "Datastax community service"
>
I honestly do not see your point.
In the interests of removing any hypocrisy from your argument, if you look
on this page "http://planetcassandra.org/cassandra/", then it specifically
says directly in the BOLD HEADER: "Download DataStax Community Edition —
Apache Cassandra™". Now, I can make the same argument, that for my
intentionally naive views, it seems like DataStax is actually in charge of
official releases of Apache Cassandra. Of course, no one in their right
mind actually does think that.
With that in mind, I believe that saying "Apache Ignite Developer Hub Run
By GridGain" is as clear as a bell and we should stop nitpicking here. If
you still disagree, then provide sound reasoning accompanied by the text
that in your mind will be proper here.
> * apacheignite.gridgain.org uses the logo and trademark without any
> attribution, says it's the "Developer Hub for Apache Ignite" with
> the "run by GridGain" not so obvious.
>
I am completely aware about the attribution. The process is in motion to
add a common footer on every page with proper legal language.
>
> To anyone coming to that site, it would appear that it is /the/ Ignite
> project's site, rather than a service run by a commercial entity. Notice
> the difference between "Datastax community service" and "Developer Hub
> for Apache Ignite"; the former doesn't imply that the site is run by the
> Apache Cassandra project, the latter does imply it's run by the Apache
> Ignite project.
>
Again, see my explanation above.
>
> It doesn't help that ignite.incubator.apache.org posts a link to
> apacheignite.gridgain.org calling it "our community forum." Whilst
> cassandra.apache.org does have a link to planetcassandra.org, there is
> nothing else there to indicate that planetcassandra is in any way
> affiliated with the ASF.
>
I changed the text. It now says: "the User Forum".
>
> And there is nothing on the page that would indicate that Ignite is an
> incubating podling. Note that that the disclaimer is missing from the
> Ignite web site, too.
I have added the incubator egg image to the footer of every page. It's
impossible not to notice now.
>
> To someone with a suspicious nature all of this might look as if
> GridGain weren't really serious with its grant of the Ignite code to the
> ASF and are just trying to (ab)use the ASF brand for some extra free
> marketing. Please note that I'm not making this accusation, just
> observing how the current situation could be interpreted. IMO it's
> actually more of a misunderstanding of how the ASF works and why it
> works the way it does; and especially why all these strict branding
> rules (even stricter for podlings) are, in the long run, good for the
> commercial sponsors, too.
>
> -- Brane
>
>
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
On 16.03.2015 20:39, Branko Čibej wrote:
> On 16.03.2015 15:16, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>> Brane,
>>
>> Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
>> "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
>> which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
>> Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
> I'll take a look and follow up as soon as planetcassandra.org actually
> loads for me ... right now it's either down, or my 'net is hosed.
Right, let's begin with the first impression of the site:
* planetcassandra.org does not use the Cassandra logo, clearly states
trademark attribution to the ASF, and clearly states this is a
"Datastax community service"
* apacheignite.gridgain.org uses the logo and trademark without any
attribution, says it's the "Developer Hub for Apache Ignite" with
the "run by GridGain" not so obvious.
To anyone coming to that site, it would appear that it is /the/ Ignite
project's site, rather than a service run by a commercial entity. Notice
the difference between "Datastax community service" and "Developer Hub
for Apache Ignite"; the former doesn't imply that the site is run by the
Apache Cassandra project, the latter does imply it's run by the Apache
Ignite project.
It doesn't help that ignite.incubator.apache.org posts a link to
apacheignite.gridgain.org calling it "our community forum." Whilst
cassandra.apache.org does have a link to planetcassandra.org, there is
nothing else there to indicate that planetcassandra is in any way
affiliated with the ASF.
And there is nothing on the page that would indicate that Ignite is an
incubating podling. Note that that the disclaimer is missing from the
Ignite web site, too.
To someone with a suspicious nature all of this might look as if
GridGain weren't really serious with its grant of the Ignite code to the
ASF and are just trying to (ab)use the ASF brand for some extra free
marketing. Please note that I'm not making this accusation, just
observing how the current situation could be interpreted. IMO it's
actually more of a misunderstanding of how the ASF works and why it
works the way it does; and especially why all these strict branding
rules (even stricter for podlings) are, in the long run, good for the
commercial sponsors, too.
-- Brane
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
On 16.03.2015 15:16, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> Brane,
>
> Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
> "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
> which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
> Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
I'll take a look and follow up as soon as planetcassandra.org actually
loads for me ... right now it's either down, or my 'net is hosed.
-- Brane
>
> D.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 16.03.2015 10:09, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>>> I have finally found time to add the community page:
>>> https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
>>>
>>> Please let me know if it is missing anything.
>> The ASF is all about vendor neutrality. While it's perfectly OK for
>> GridGain to host its own forum about Ignite, it is /not/ OK to call it
>> the "Ignite Community Forum". That creates confusion about who "owns" or
>> "runs" the project and dilutes the ASF brand. The site
>> apacheignite.gridgain.org violates most of the ASF trademark policies.
>>
>> -- Brane
>>
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 01:05PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> Not sure why it is an issue. Community forum is a much more superior and
> user-friendly way to get answers to the questions than the dev list. As a
> matter of fact, based on Google Analytics, the community forum right now is
> one of the most visited parts of the site. We all know how many questions
Perhaps it is the case. On a contrary though - it'd require me to have an
extra effort to monitor the forum, whereas emails are just get deliverd to my
inbox. Which is why your idea of forwarding to dev@ might work. Thanks!
> we got on the dev list before we had the community forum (I think there was
> only 1).
>
> Is this just a preference or a documented requirement?
>
> D.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Another issue I have with this page is this:
> > - right now the page makes it look like the only way to really ask a
> > question
> > about Ignite is via this forum mechanism.
> >
> > However, the usual way for this is to use mailing lists. However,
> > "Mailing
> > Lists" section doesn't convey that notion somehow.
> >
> > It is perhaps more of a perception point, but I think it is still
> > important to
> > address.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cos
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 07:16AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > Brane,
> > >
> > > Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
> > > "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
> > > which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
> > > Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 16.03.2015 10:09, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > > > I have finally found time to add the community page:
> > > > > https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Please let me know if it is missing anything.
> > > >
> > > > The ASF is all about vendor neutrality. While it's perfectly OK for
> > > > GridGain to host its own forum about Ignite, it is /not/ OK to call it
> > > > the "Ignite Community Forum". That creates confusion about who "owns"
> > or
> > > > "runs" the project and dilutes the ASF brand. The site
> > > > apacheignite.gridgain.org violates most of the ASF trademark policies.
> > > >
> > > > -- Brane
> > > >
> >
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 01:05PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> Not sure why it is an issue. Community forum is a much more superior and
> user-friendly way to get answers to the questions than the dev list. As a
> matter of fact, based on Google Analytics, the community forum right now is
> one of the most visited parts of the site. We all know how many questions
> we got on the dev list before we had the community forum (I think there was
> only 1).
>
> Is this just a preference or a documented requirement?
I believe it is again the issue of 'where's the source', but perhaps it is a
more grey area than in case of documentation.
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Another issue I have with this page is this:
> > - right now the page makes it look like the only way to really ask a
> > question
> > about Ignite is via this forum mechanism.
> >
> > However, the usual way for this is to use mailing lists. However,
> > "Mailing
> > Lists" section doesn't convey that notion somehow.
> >
> > It is perhaps more of a perception point, but I think it is still
> > important to
> > address.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cos
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 07:16AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > Brane,
> > >
> > > Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
> > > "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
> > > which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
> > > Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 16.03.2015 10:09, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > > > I have finally found time to add the community page:
> > > > > https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Please let me know if it is missing anything.
> > > >
> > > > The ASF is all about vendor neutrality. While it's perfectly OK for
> > > > GridGain to host its own forum about Ignite, it is /not/ OK to call it
> > > > the "Ignite Community Forum". That creates confusion about who "owns"
> > or
> > > > "runs" the project and dilutes the ASF brand. The site
> > > > apacheignite.gridgain.org violates most of the ASF trademark policies.
> > > >
> > > > -- Brane
> > > >
> >
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@gridgain.com>.
Btw, we might be able to kill 2 birds with one stone if I setup community
forum questions to automatically forward to the dev list. I maybe able to
set this up when email notifications actually do start working altogether.
D.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Not sure why it is an issue. Community forum is a much more superior and
> user-friendly way to get answers to the questions than the dev list. As a
> matter of fact, based on Google Analytics, the community forum right now is
> one of the most visited parts of the site. We all know how many questions
> we got on the dev list before we had the community forum (I think there was
> only 1).
>
> Is this just a preference or a documented requirement?
>
> D.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Another issue I have with this page is this:
>> - right now the page makes it look like the only way to really ask a
>> question
>> about Ignite is via this forum mechanism.
>>
>> However, the usual way for this is to use mailing lists. However,
>> "Mailing
>> Lists" section doesn't convey that notion somehow.
>>
>> It is perhaps more of a perception point, but I think it is still
>> important to
>> address.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cos
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 07:16AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>> > Brane,
>> >
>> > Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
>> > "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
>> > which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
>> > Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
>> >
>> > D.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 16.03.2015 10:09, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
>> > > > I have finally found time to add the community page:
>> > > > https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
>> > > >
>> > > > Please let me know if it is missing anything.
>> > >
>> > > The ASF is all about vendor neutrality. While it's perfectly OK for
>> > > GridGain to host its own forum about Ignite, it is /not/ OK to call it
>> > > the "Ignite Community Forum". That creates confusion about who "owns"
>> or
>> > > "runs" the project and dilutes the ASF brand. The site
>> > > apacheignite.gridgain.org violates most of the ASF trademark
>> policies.
>> > >
>> > > -- Brane
>> > >
>>
>
>
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>.
Not sure why it is an issue. Community forum is a much more superior and
user-friendly way to get answers to the questions than the dev list. As a
matter of fact, based on Google Analytics, the community forum right now is
one of the most visited parts of the site. We all know how many questions
we got on the dev list before we had the community forum (I think there was
only 1).
Is this just a preference or a documented requirement?
D.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
> Another issue I have with this page is this:
> - right now the page makes it look like the only way to really ask a
> question
> about Ignite is via this forum mechanism.
>
> However, the usual way for this is to use mailing lists. However,
> "Mailing
> Lists" section doesn't convey that notion somehow.
>
> It is perhaps more of a perception point, but I think it is still
> important to
> address.
>
> Thanks,
> Cos
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 07:16AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > Brane,
> >
> > Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
> > "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
> > which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
> > Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
> >
> > D.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On 16.03.2015 10:09, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > > I have finally found time to add the community page:
> > > > https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know if it is missing anything.
> > >
> > > The ASF is all about vendor neutrality. While it's perfectly OK for
> > > GridGain to host its own forum about Ignite, it is /not/ OK to call it
> > > the "Ignite Community Forum". That creates confusion about who "owns"
> or
> > > "runs" the project and dilutes the ASF brand. The site
> > > apacheignite.gridgain.org violates most of the ASF trademark policies.
> > >
> > > -- Brane
> > >
>
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Another issue I have with this page is this:
- right now the page makes it look like the only way to really ask a question
about Ignite is via this forum mechanism.
However, the usual way for this is to use mailing lists. However, "Mailing
Lists" section doesn't convey that notion somehow.
It is perhaps more of a perception point, but I think it is still important to
address.
Thanks,
Cos
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 07:16AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> Brane,
>
> Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
> "ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
> which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
> Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
>
> D.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 16.03.2015 10:09, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > I have finally found time to add the community page:
> > > https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
> > >
> > > Please let me know if it is missing anything.
> >
> > The ASF is all about vendor neutrality. While it's perfectly OK for
> > GridGain to host its own forum about Ignite, it is /not/ OK to call it
> > the "Ignite Community Forum". That creates confusion about who "owns" or
> > "runs" the project and dilutes the ASF brand. The site
> > apacheignite.gridgain.org violates most of the ASF trademark policies.
> >
> > -- Brane
> >
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>.
Brane,
Are you having a problem with the word "community" or with the word
"ignite" there? How is this different from http://planetcassandra.org/
which clearly says "Datastax Community Service"? There is a link from
Cassandra project home page to the planetcassandra.org.
D.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 16.03.2015 10:09, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > I have finally found time to add the community page:
> > https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
> >
> > Please let me know if it is missing anything.
>
> The ASF is all about vendor neutrality. While it's perfectly OK for
> GridGain to host its own forum about Ignite, it is /not/ OK to call it
> the "Ignite Community Forum". That creates confusion about who "owns" or
> "runs" the project and dilutes the ASF brand. The site
> apacheignite.gridgain.org violates most of the ASF trademark policies.
>
> -- Brane
>
Re: Ignite Community Page
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
On 16.03.2015 10:09, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> I have finally found time to add the community page:
> https://ignite.incubator.apache.org/community.html
>
> Please let me know if it is missing anything.
The ASF is all about vendor neutrality. While it's perfectly OK for
GridGain to host its own forum about Ignite, it is /not/ OK to call it
the "Ignite Community Forum". That creates confusion about who "owns" or
"runs" the project and dilutes the ASF brand. The site
apacheignite.gridgain.org violates most of the ASF trademark policies.
-- Brane