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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by TJ Frazier <tj...@cfl.rr.com> on 2011/09/29 12:05:14 UTC
Re: svn commit: r796325 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg:
./ content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
Dave, several small points:
* I have Bureaucrat and Administrator rights on the Mwiki copy. Email me
(on ooo-dev or privately) to activate an existing account, or set up a
new one. Anyone should be able to access the copy in read-only mode.
http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/
* "To establish a Roller account contact Infrastructure.</p>" Email
link? JIRA link?
* How should people contact you, as blog administrator?
IMHO, all of this relatively new info shouldn't be on that web page at
all: the page should link to a wiki page. The info is too volatile to
maintain easily on a web page, and the wiki is where users will see it.
/tj/
On 9/28/2011 21:53, wave@apache.org wrote:
> Author: wave
> Date: Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
> New Revision: 796325
>
> Log:
> Corrected the spelling of my name. Expanded on the Blog and Wiki information.
>
> Modified:
> websites/production/openofficeorg/ (props changed)
> websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>
> Propchange: websites/production/openofficeorg/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --- svn:mergeinfo (original)
> +++ svn:mergeinfo Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
> @@ -1 +1 @@
> -/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-796312
> +/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-796324
>
> Modified: websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
> ==============================================================================
> --- websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html (original)
> +++ websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
> @@ -98,15 +98,22 @@ Wolf Halton as members. New members can
> request to Apache Infra.</li>
> </ul>
> <h3 id="blog">Blog</h3>
> -<p>Blog authors are Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton</p>
> -<p>The blog admin is Dave Fischer. He can authorize new authors once they have first
> -established a Roller account.</p>
> +<p>Blog authors include Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton.</p>
> +<p>The blog admin is Dave Fisher. He can authorize new authors once they have first
> +established a Roller account. To establish a Roller account contact Infrastructure.</p>
> <h3 id="bugzilla">Bugzilla</h3>
> -<p>?</p>
> +<p>Raphael?</p>
> <h3 id="svn">SVN</h3>
> <p>All committers have equal access.</p>
> <h3 id="wiki">Wiki</h3>
> -<p>?</p>
> +<ul>
> +<li>OOOUSERS. This wiki is open to anyone with a CWiki account.</li>
> +<li>OOODEV. This wiki may only be edited by project committers, PPMC, and iCLA signers.</li>
> +</ul>
> +<p>Dave Fisher has Confluence Admin rights and can authorize new editors in the OOODEV Wiki.</p>
> +<ul>
> +<li>MediaWiki. TJ?</li>
> +</ul>
> <h2 id="how_to_participate">How to participate?</h2>
> <p>First of all you have to think how you want to participate as we have different kind
> of roles like user, developer, committer. The easiest way is to use what we build as
>
Re: svn commit: r796325 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:58 AM, TJ Frazier wrote:
> On 9/29/2011 09:41, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:05 AM, TJ Frazier<tj...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Dave, several small points:
>>>
>>> * I have Bureaucrat and Administrator rights on the Mwiki copy. Email me (on
>>> ooo-dev or privately) to activate an existing account, or set up a new one.
>>> Anyone should be able to access the copy in read-only mode.
>>> http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, I've added that to the page.
>>
>>> * "To establish a Roller account contact Infrastructure.</p>" Email link?
>>> JIRA link?
>>>
>>
>> I added link to Infra JIRA.
>>
>>> * How should people contact you, as blog administrator?
>>>
>>> IMHO, all of this relatively new info shouldn't be on that web page at all:
>>> the page should link to a wiki page. The info is too volatile to maintain
>>> easily on a web page, and the wiki is where users will see it.
>>> /tj/
>>>
>>
>> Webpages are just as easy to edit as the wiki, if you use the web
>> interface to the CMS. Of course, if we're changing admins so
>> frequently that the difference between requiring 4 mouse clicks to
>> make a change (CMS) versus 2 mouse clicks (wiki) is a problem, then we
>> have a far more serious problem, one that is not really addressed by
>> merely reducing the number of mouse clicks.
>
> Judging by the number of niggling little commits to change one page, the preview facility of CMS is considerably less useful than a wiki's (even Cwiki does that right). And, judging by how many Apache-website pages need at least a little cleanup (almost every one!), other users find the CMS too inconvenient to use. --/tj/
Given that the MediaWiki is not completely migrated, I am reluctant to use any Wiki for this information. TJ - do you have any further information about MWiki migration?
As far as clicks are concerned. I do my Apache CMS updates from the command line and terminal anyway. It's a perl / python based system and flexibility is possible. All of the source is in the Apache SVN. The process is documented in the podling website.
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html
Regards,
Dave
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> On 9/28/2011 21:53, wave@apache.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Author: wave
>>>> Date: Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>>>> New Revision: 796325
>>>>
>>>> Log:
>>>> Corrected the spelling of my name. Expanded on the Blog and Wiki
>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> Modified:
>>>> websites/production/openofficeorg/ (props changed)
>>>> websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> Propchange: websites/production/openofficeorg/
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --- svn:mergeinfo (original)
>>>> +++ svn:mergeinfo Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>>>> @@ -1 +1 @@
>>>> -/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-796312
>>>> +/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-796324
>>>>
>>>> Modified:
>>>> websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>> --- websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>>> (original)
>>>> +++ websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>>> Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>>>> @@ -98,15 +98,22 @@ Wolf Halton as members. New members can
>>>> request to Apache Infra.</li>
>>>> </ul>
>>>> <h3 id="blog">Blog</h3>
>>>> -<p>Blog authors are Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton</p>
>>>> -<p>The blog admin is Dave Fischer. He can authorize new authors once
>>>> they have first
>>>> -established a Roller account.</p>
>>>> +<p>Blog authors include Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton.</p>
>>>> +<p>The blog admin is Dave Fisher. He can authorize new authors once they
>>>> have first
>>>> +established a Roller account. To establish a Roller account contact
>>>> Infrastructure.</p>
>>>> <h3 id="bugzilla">Bugzilla</h3>
>>>> -<p>?</p>
>>>> +<p>Raphael?</p>
>>>> <h3 id="svn">SVN</h3>
>>>> <p>All committers have equal access.</p>
>>>> <h3 id="wiki">Wiki</h3>
>>>> -<p>?</p>
>>>> +<ul>
>>>> +<li>OOOUSERS. This wiki is open to anyone with a CWiki account.</li>
>>>> +<li>OOODEV. This wiki may only be edited by project committers, PPMC, and
>>>> iCLA signers.</li>
>>>> +</ul>
>>>> +<p>Dave Fisher has Confluence Admin rights and can authorize new editors
>>>> in the OOODEV Wiki.</p>
>>>> +<ul>
>>>> +<li>MediaWiki. TJ?</li>
>>>> +</ul>
>>>> <h2 id="how_to_participate">How to participate?</h2>
>>>> <p>First of all you have to think how you want to participate as we have
>>>> different kind
>>>> of roles like user, developer, committer. The easiest way is to use what
>>>> we build as
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: svn commit: r796325 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg:
./ content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
Posted by TJ Frazier <tj...@cfl.rr.com>.
On 9/29/2011 09:41, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:05 AM, TJ Frazier<tj...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> Dave, several small points:
>>
>> * I have Bureaucrat and Administrator rights on the Mwiki copy. Email me (on
>> ooo-dev or privately) to activate an existing account, or set up a new one.
>> Anyone should be able to access the copy in read-only mode.
>> http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/
>>
>
> Thanks, I've added that to the page.
>
>> * "To establish a Roller account contact Infrastructure.</p>" Email link?
>> JIRA link?
>>
>
> I added link to Infra JIRA.
>
>> * How should people contact you, as blog administrator?
>>
>> IMHO, all of this relatively new info shouldn't be on that web page at all:
>> the page should link to a wiki page. The info is too volatile to maintain
>> easily on a web page, and the wiki is where users will see it.
>> /tj/
>>
>
> Webpages are just as easy to edit as the wiki, if you use the web
> interface to the CMS. Of course, if we're changing admins so
> frequently that the difference between requiring 4 mouse clicks to
> make a change (CMS) versus 2 mouse clicks (wiki) is a problem, then we
> have a far more serious problem, one that is not really addressed by
> merely reducing the number of mouse clicks.
Judging by the number of niggling little commits to change one page, the
preview facility of CMS is considerably less useful than a wiki's (even
Cwiki does that right). And, judging by how many Apache-website pages
need at least a little cleanup (almost every one!), other users find the
CMS too inconvenient to use. --/tj/
>
> -Rob
>
>> On 9/28/2011 21:53, wave@apache.org wrote:
>>>
>>> Author: wave
>>> Date: Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>>> New Revision: 796325
>>>
>>> Log:
>>> Corrected the spelling of my name. Expanded on the Blog and Wiki
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Modified:
>>> websites/production/openofficeorg/ (props changed)
>>> websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>>
>>> Propchange: websites/production/openofficeorg/
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --- svn:mergeinfo (original)
>>> +++ svn:mergeinfo Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>>> @@ -1 +1 @@
>>> -/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-796312
>>> +/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-796324
>>>
>>> Modified:
>>> websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>>
>>> ==============================================================================
>>> --- websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>> (original)
>>> +++ websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>> Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>>> @@ -98,15 +98,22 @@ Wolf Halton as members. New members can
>>> request to Apache Infra.</li>
>>> </ul>
>>> <h3 id="blog">Blog</h3>
>>> -<p>Blog authors are Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton</p>
>>> -<p>The blog admin is Dave Fischer. He can authorize new authors once
>>> they have first
>>> -established a Roller account.</p>
>>> +<p>Blog authors include Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton.</p>
>>> +<p>The blog admin is Dave Fisher. He can authorize new authors once they
>>> have first
>>> +established a Roller account. To establish a Roller account contact
>>> Infrastructure.</p>
>>> <h3 id="bugzilla">Bugzilla</h3>
>>> -<p>?</p>
>>> +<p>Raphael?</p>
>>> <h3 id="svn">SVN</h3>
>>> <p>All committers have equal access.</p>
>>> <h3 id="wiki">Wiki</h3>
>>> -<p>?</p>
>>> +<ul>
>>> +<li>OOOUSERS. This wiki is open to anyone with a CWiki account.</li>
>>> +<li>OOODEV. This wiki may only be edited by project committers, PPMC, and
>>> iCLA signers.</li>
>>> +</ul>
>>> +<p>Dave Fisher has Confluence Admin rights and can authorize new editors
>>> in the OOODEV Wiki.</p>
>>> +<ul>
>>> +<li>MediaWiki. TJ?</li>
>>> +</ul>
>>> <h2 id="how_to_participate">How to participate?</h2>
>>> <p>First of all you have to think how you want to participate as we have
>>> different kind
>>> of roles like user, developer, committer. The easiest way is to use what
>>> we build as
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: svn commit: r796325 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:05 AM, TJ Frazier <tj...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Dave, several small points:
>
> * I have Bureaucrat and Administrator rights on the Mwiki copy. Email me (on
> ooo-dev or privately) to activate an existing account, or set up a new one.
> Anyone should be able to access the copy in read-only mode.
> http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/
>
Thanks, I've added that to the page.
> * "To establish a Roller account contact Infrastructure.</p>" Email link?
> JIRA link?
>
I added link to Infra JIRA.
> * How should people contact you, as blog administrator?
>
> IMHO, all of this relatively new info shouldn't be on that web page at all:
> the page should link to a wiki page. The info is too volatile to maintain
> easily on a web page, and the wiki is where users will see it.
> /tj/
>
Webpages are just as easy to edit as the wiki, if you use the web
interface to the CMS. Of course, if we're changing admins so
frequently that the difference between requiring 4 mouse clicks to
make a change (CMS) versus 2 mouse clicks (wiki) is a problem, then we
have a far more serious problem, one that is not really addressed by
merely reducing the number of mouse clicks.
-Rob
> On 9/28/2011 21:53, wave@apache.org wrote:
>>
>> Author: wave
>> Date: Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>> New Revision: 796325
>>
>> Log:
>> Corrected the spelling of my name. Expanded on the Blog and Wiki
>> information.
>>
>> Modified:
>> websites/production/openofficeorg/ (props changed)
>> websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>
>> Propchange: websites/production/openofficeorg/
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --- svn:mergeinfo (original)
>> +++ svn:mergeinfo Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>> @@ -1 +1 @@
>> -/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-796312
>> +/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-796324
>>
>> Modified:
>> websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>>
>> ==============================================================================
>> --- websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>> (original)
>> +++ websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html
>> Thu Sep 29 01:53:46 2011
>> @@ -98,15 +98,22 @@ Wolf Halton as members. New members can
>> request to Apache Infra.</li>
>> </ul>
>> <h3 id="blog">Blog</h3>
>> -<p>Blog authors are Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton</p>
>> -<p>The blog admin is Dave Fischer. He can authorize new authors once
>> they have first
>> -established a Roller account.</p>
>> +<p>Blog authors include Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton.</p>
>> +<p>The blog admin is Dave Fisher. He can authorize new authors once they
>> have first
>> +established a Roller account. To establish a Roller account contact
>> Infrastructure.</p>
>> <h3 id="bugzilla">Bugzilla</h3>
>> -<p>?</p>
>> +<p>Raphael?</p>
>> <h3 id="svn">SVN</h3>
>> <p>All committers have equal access.</p>
>> <h3 id="wiki">Wiki</h3>
>> -<p>?</p>
>> +<ul>
>> +<li>OOOUSERS. This wiki is open to anyone with a CWiki account.</li>
>> +<li>OOODEV. This wiki may only be edited by project committers, PPMC, and
>> iCLA signers.</li>
>> +</ul>
>> +<p>Dave Fisher has Confluence Admin rights and can authorize new editors
>> in the OOODEV Wiki.</p>
>> +<ul>
>> +<li>MediaWiki. TJ?</li>
>> +</ul>
>> <h2 id="how_to_participate">How to participate?</h2>
>> <p>First of all you have to think how you want to participate as we have
>> different kind
>> of roles like user, developer, committer. The easiest way is to use what
>> we build as
>>
>
>
>
>