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Posted to users@camel.apache.org by Vitaliy Semochkin <vi...@gmail.com> on 2011/08/28 16:13:07 UTC
How much mule suits for split with TTL?
Hello,
i'm new to Camel and at the moment choosing between Mule, Apache
ServiceMix or Apache Camel for solving following task:
A flow starts when web service is called , N recipients ( a folder
with files, web service, jms queue) receive the message
Monitoring (at least logging) is needed.
Multiple similar flows can exists.
In case a recipient is offline the flow should wait till it gets
online or report failure if TTL is exceeded.
Online redeployment is needed. During redeployment of a flow the
flows that are running are not stopped. (optional)
Would be grateful if people with experience will give a hits if Camel
suits for such tasks and how would it be better to implement it, or
maybe Mule or ServiceMix suits for it better?
Thanks in advance,
Vitaly
Re: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
There are some faq entries[1][2][3] about the comparison of Mule,
ServiceMix and Camel which you may take a look.
[1]http://camel.apache.org/how-does-camel-compare-to-mule.html
[2]http://camel.apache.org/how-does-camel-compare-to-servicemix.html
[3]http://camel.apache.org/how-does-camel-compare-to-servicemix-eip.html
On 8/28/11 10:13 PM, Vitaliy Semochkin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i'm new to Camel and at the moment choosing between Mule, Apache
> ServiceMix or Apache Camel for solving following task:
>
> A flow starts when web service is called , N recipients ( a folder
> with files, web service, jms queue) receive the message
> Monitoring (at least logging) is needed.
> Multiple similar flows can exists.
> In case a recipient is offline the flow should wait till it gets
> online or report failure if TTL is exceeded.
> Online redeployment is needed. During redeployment of a flow the
> flows that are running are not stopped. (optional)
>
>
> Would be grateful if people with experience will give a hits if Camel
> suits for such tasks and how would it be better to implement it, or
> maybe Mule or ServiceMix suits for it better?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vitaly
>
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Re: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
Posted by Freeman Fang <fr...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
My comment inline
On 2011-8-28, at 下午10:13, Vitaliy Semochkin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i'm new to Camel and at the moment choosing between Mule, Apache
> ServiceMix or Apache Camel for solving following task:
>
> A flow starts when web service is called , N recipients ( a folder
> with files, web service, jms queue) receive the message
> Monitoring (at least logging) is needed.
> Multiple similar flows can exists.
> In case a recipient is offline the flow should wait till it gets
> online or report failure if TTL is exceeded.
Yes, Camel is a perfect candidate to to such task here.
> Online redeployment is needed. During redeployment of a flow the
> flows that are running are not stopped. (optional)
As to the redeployment, sounds like you need a container which can
take care of the component/router life cycle for you, that's exactly
Servicemix4(basically it's a OSGi container but can work with Camel/
Cxf/Activemq out of the box) can offer here and camel router can work
seamlessly inside Servicemix4. So my suggestion is that use Camel to
do the workingflow, use Servicemix4 as a container.
Freeman
>
>
> Would be grateful if people with experience will give a hits if Camel
> suits for such tasks and how would it be better to implement it, or
> maybe Mule or ServiceMix suits for it better?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vitaly
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Re: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
Posted by Vitaliy Semochkin <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hello Mathieu,
Some clients are in Python and some are in 1C (proprietary system
popular in Russia). The last one is the main problem :-)
Thank you for response I'll have a look on ActiveMQ + Camel for this
problem, for 1C we will probably write a Com object in .NET.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Mathieu Lalonde <mr...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> Hello Vitaly,
>
> In what languages are the recipient apps written? ActiveMQ has clients for many languages. Also, it supports a text based protocol (STOMP) which makes it easy to write your own client if needed.
>
> http://activemq.apache.org/
> http://activemq.apache.org/stomp.html
> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/ActiveMQ-User-f2341805.html (for more specific ActiveMQ questions)
>
> Cheers,
> Mathieu
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:50:31 +0400
>> Subject: Re: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
>> From: vitaliy.se@gmail.com
>> To: users@camel.apache.org
>>
>> Hello Mathieu,
>>
>> Thank you very much for fast reply.
>>
>> My problem is the actual recipients are not written in java (most of them).
>> For java we can use jms and if they all be in java i'd use activemq
>> and that will be all i needed.
>>
>> But we have to integrate recipients which include an application
>> which can only read files from folder in a special format
>> and a application which can be called via web service.
>>
>> How would you recommend to implement TTL in this case?
>> Are there any out of the box solutions in camel for it?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Vitaly
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Mathieu Lalonde <mr...@live.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > It sounds like Camel would definitely be good fit for the scenario you are describing. It's the kind of integration problem that Camel is meant for!
>> > You may be able to leverage some features of your JMS provider (have you decided on one?) for the TTL since JMS messages can have a property for expiration. It sounds like your recipients are actually subscribers to a topic. In that case, it should be easier if your JMS provider offers durable subscriptions so that your recipients can get non-expired messages when they are back on line.
>> > I think ServiceMix and Camel are products that work well together and that address different needs. I have been using Camel for over a year and have been very satisfied. It's a huge productivity enabler when it comes to integration problems and it's fun to use. :)
>> > Good luck,Mathieu.
>> >> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:13:07 +0400
>> >> Subject: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
>> >> From: vitaliy.se@gmail.com
>> >> To: users@camel.apache.org
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> i'm new to Camel and at the moment choosing between Mule, Apache
>> >> ServiceMix or Apache Camel for solving following task:
>> >>
>> >> A flow starts when web service is called , N recipients ( a folder
>> >> with files, web service, jms queue) receive the message
>> >> Monitoring (at least logging) is needed.
>> >> Multiple similar flows can exists.
>> >> In case a recipient is offline the flow should wait till it gets
>> >> online or report failure if TTL is exceeded.
>> >> Online redeployment is needed. During redeployment of a flow the
>> >> flows that are running are not stopped. (optional)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Would be grateful if people with experience will give a hits if Camel
>> >> suits for such tasks and how would it be better to implement it, or
>> >> maybe Mule or ServiceMix suits for it better?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >> Vitaly
>> >
>
RE: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
Posted by Mathieu Lalonde <mr...@live.ca>.
Hello Vitaly,
In what languages are the recipient apps written? ActiveMQ has clients for many languages. Also, it supports a text based protocol (STOMP) which makes it easy to write your own client if needed.
http://activemq.apache.org/
http://activemq.apache.org/stomp.html
http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/ActiveMQ-User-f2341805.html (for more specific ActiveMQ questions)
Cheers,
Mathieu
----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:50:31 +0400
> Subject: Re: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
> From: vitaliy.se@gmail.com
> To: users@camel.apache.org
>
> Hello Mathieu,
>
> Thank you very much for fast reply.
>
> My problem is the actual recipients are not written in java (most of them).
> For java we can use jms and if they all be in java i'd use activemq
> and that will be all i needed.
>
> But we have to integrate recipients which include an application
> which can only read files from folder in a special format
> and a application which can be called via web service.
>
> How would you recommend to implement TTL in this case?
> Are there any out of the box solutions in camel for it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vitaly
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Mathieu Lalonde <mr...@live.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > It sounds like Camel would definitely be good fit for the scenario you are describing. It's the kind of integration problem that Camel is meant for!
> > You may be able to leverage some features of your JMS provider (have you decided on one?) for the TTL since JMS messages can have a property for expiration. It sounds like your recipients are actually subscribers to a topic. In that case, it should be easier if your JMS provider offers durable subscriptions so that your recipients can get non-expired messages when they are back on line.
> > I think ServiceMix and Camel are products that work well together and that address different needs. I have been using Camel for over a year and have been very satisfied. It's a huge productivity enabler when it comes to integration problems and it's fun to use. :)
> > Good luck,Mathieu.
> >> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:13:07 +0400
> >> Subject: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
> >> From: vitaliy.se@gmail.com
> >> To: users@camel.apache.org
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> i'm new to Camel and at the moment choosing between Mule, Apache
> >> ServiceMix or Apache Camel for solving following task:
> >>
> >> A flow starts when web service is called , N recipients ( a folder
> >> with files, web service, jms queue) receive the message
> >> Monitoring (at least logging) is needed.
> >> Multiple similar flows can exists.
> >> In case a recipient is offline the flow should wait till it gets
> >> online or report failure if TTL is exceeded.
> >> Online redeployment is needed. During redeployment of a flow the
> >> flows that are running are not stopped. (optional)
> >>
> >>
> >> Would be grateful if people with experience will give a hits if Camel
> >> suits for such tasks and how would it be better to implement it, or
> >> maybe Mule or ServiceMix suits for it better?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Vitaly
> >
Re: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
Posted by Vitaliy Semochkin <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hello Mathieu,
Thank you very much for fast reply.
My problem is the actual recipients are not written in java (most of them).
For java we can use jms and if they all be in java i'd use activemq
and that will be all i needed.
But we have to integrate recipients which include an application
which can only read files from folder in a special format
and a application which can be called via web service.
How would you recommend to implement TTL in this case?
Are there any out of the box solutions in camel for it?
Thanks in advance,
Vitaly
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Mathieu Lalonde <mr...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> It sounds like Camel would definitely be good fit for the scenario you are describing. It's the kind of integration problem that Camel is meant for!
> You may be able to leverage some features of your JMS provider (have you decided on one?) for the TTL since JMS messages can have a property for expiration. It sounds like your recipients are actually subscribers to a topic. In that case, it should be easier if your JMS provider offers durable subscriptions so that your recipients can get non-expired messages when they are back on line.
> I think ServiceMix and Camel are products that work well together and that address different needs. I have been using Camel for over a year and have been very satisfied. It's a huge productivity enabler when it comes to integration problems and it's fun to use. :)
> Good luck,Mathieu.
>> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:13:07 +0400
>> Subject: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
>> From: vitaliy.se@gmail.com
>> To: users@camel.apache.org
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> i'm new to Camel and at the moment choosing between Mule, Apache
>> ServiceMix or Apache Camel for solving following task:
>>
>> A flow starts when web service is called , N recipients ( a folder
>> with files, web service, jms queue) receive the message
>> Monitoring (at least logging) is needed.
>> Multiple similar flows can exists.
>> In case a recipient is offline the flow should wait till it gets
>> online or report failure if TTL is exceeded.
>> Online redeployment is needed. During redeployment of a flow the
>> flows that are running are not stopped. (optional)
>>
>>
>> Would be grateful if people with experience will give a hits if Camel
>> suits for such tasks and how would it be better to implement it, or
>> maybe Mule or ServiceMix suits for it better?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Vitaly
>
RE: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
Posted by Mathieu Lalonde <mr...@live.ca>.
Hi,
It sounds like Camel would definitely be good fit for the scenario you are describing. It's the kind of integration problem that Camel is meant for!
You may be able to leverage some features of your JMS provider (have you decided on one?) for the TTL since JMS messages can have a property for expiration. It sounds like your recipients are actually subscribers to a topic. In that case, it should be easier if your JMS provider offers durable subscriptions so that your recipients can get non-expired messages when they are back on line.
I think ServiceMix and Camel are products that work well together and that address different needs. I have been using Camel for over a year and have been very satisfied. It's a huge productivity enabler when it comes to integration problems and it's fun to use. :)
Good luck,Mathieu.
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:13:07 +0400
> Subject: How much mule suits for split with TTL?
> From: vitaliy.se@gmail.com
> To: users@camel.apache.org
>
> Hello,
>
> i'm new to Camel and at the moment choosing between Mule, Apache
> ServiceMix or Apache Camel for solving following task:
>
> A flow starts when web service is called , N recipients ( a folder
> with files, web service, jms queue) receive the message
> Monitoring (at least logging) is needed.
> Multiple similar flows can exists.
> In case a recipient is offline the flow should wait till it gets
> online or report failure if TTL is exceeded.
> Online redeployment is needed. During redeployment of a flow the
> flows that are running are not stopped. (optional)
>
>
> Would be grateful if people with experience will give a hits if Camel
> suits for such tasks and how would it be better to implement it, or
> maybe Mule or ServiceMix suits for it better?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vitaly