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Posted to dev@ripple.apache.org by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com> on 2016/01/05 03:24:33 UTC
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi folks,
I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
Some open questions
1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
[1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
[2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
1) I say just do a simple Google Group.
2) I vote no - I'm getting tired of all the Slack orgs. ;) I do think
a channel on Cordova though would be appropriate.
3) I say start fresh. :)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
>
> Some open questions
>
> 1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
> 2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
> 3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
>
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
> [2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
> Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
> Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
> Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
>
> Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
> Should I go ahead and do the following
>
> 1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
>
> I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
> Is there anything else we should be doing ?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
> To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
> Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
>
>
> "BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
>
>
> The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
>
> Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
>
> --
> Ken Wallis
> Senior Product Manager
> Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
> BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
> kwallis@blackberry.com
> BlackBerry Corporation
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
> To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
> Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Thank you Shane.
>
> Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
> To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
>
> (Note mixed private/public lists)
>
> Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
>
> Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
> Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
>
> It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
>
> It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
>
> Good luck, by the way!
>
> - Shane
>
>
> Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
> ...
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
>> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
>> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
>> after retirement
>>
>> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
>> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
>> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
>> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
>> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
>> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
>> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>>
>> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
>> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
>> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
>> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
>> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>>
>> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
>> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
Best to clone. Thus is a new project. You should ensure people know who owns it and this where to go for the canonical source.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Tim Barham<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 1/5/2016 3:10 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Some comments:
* The repo shouldn't be called "incubator-ripple", since "incubator" was specific to its Apache status.
* Should we clone the Apache repo rather than forking it? Is there any reason to have it tied back to the Apache repo in any way?
* I'm hoping you were planning on adding me :)
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:25 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi folks,
I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
Some open questions
1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
[1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
[2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>.
The repo is now called "Ripple". The reason I wanted to tie to back to the Apache repo was to ensure that people know where it originated from. I am hoping that the old repo will have a redirection notice.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Barham [mailto:Tim.Barham@microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:10 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Some comments:
* The repo shouldn't be called "incubator-ripple", since "incubator" was specific to its Apache status.
* Should we clone the Apache repo rather than forking it? Is there any reason to have it tied back to the Apache repo in any way?
* I'm hoping you were planning on adding me :)
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:25 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi folks,
I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
Some open questions
1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
[1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
[2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
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> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Tim Barham <Ti...@microsoft.com>.
Some comments:
* The repo shouldn't be called "incubator-ripple", since "incubator" was specific to its Apache status.
* Should we clone the Apache repo rather than forking it? Is there any reason to have it tied back to the Apache repo in any way?
* I'm hoping you were planning on adding me :)
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:25 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi folks,
I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
Some open questions
1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
[1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
[2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>