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Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Hi All,
After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
here [1].
In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
discuss :-)
Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
Tapestry's development workload.
One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
[1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi Uli,
Thank you for your answer.
Yeah, i discussed my idea here before, and Igor Drobiazko will be my
GSoC mentor. I just to confirm that it is not necessary for me to post
my idea in that list, now i get the answer :-) Thank you.
2012/3/12 Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>:
> This is just a list of project ideas that potential mentors have come up with. If you have an idea,
> you can just discuss it here on the mailing lists and try to find a mentor for it.
>
> If the Apache Software Foundation gets accepted as a mentoring organization (most likely it will)
> you can than simply submit your proposal to Google Melange when the student application phase starts.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Uli
>
> On 12.03.2012 12:07, Gavin Lei wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I found that there is a idea list for Apache GSoC 2012 here[1], so i
>> want to know that should i add my "light weight TapestryTools" project
>> idea[2] into this list ? Is it necessary for an Apache GSoC 2012
>> project ? Or just optional. Anyone knows ?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?requestId=12319270
>> [2] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>
>> 在 2012年3月4日 下午10:30，Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> 写道：
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
>>> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
>>> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
>>> here [1].
>>>
>>> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
>>> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
>>> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
>>> discuss :-)
>>>
>>> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
>>> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
>>> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
>>> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
>>> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
>>> Tapestry's development workload.
>>>
>>> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
>>> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>>>
>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>>
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>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>
>>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project
prposal
Posted by Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>.
This is just a list of project ideas that potential mentors have come up with. If you have an idea,
you can just discuss it here on the mailing lists and try to find a mentor for it.
If the Apache Software Foundation gets accepted as a mentoring organization (most likely it will)
you can than simply submit your proposal to Google Melange when the student application phase starts.
Cheers,
Uli
On 12.03.2012 12:07, Gavin Lei wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I found that there is a idea list for Apache GSoC 2012 here[1], so i
> want to know that should i add my "light weight TapestryTools" project
> idea[2] into this list ? Is it necessary for an Apache GSoC 2012
> project ? Or just optional. Anyone knows ?
>
> Thank you
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?requestId=12319270
> [2] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>
> 在 2012年3月4日 下午10:30，Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> 写道：
>> Hi All,
>>
>> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
>> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
>> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
>> here [1].
>>
>> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
>> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
>> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
>> discuss :-)
>>
>> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
>> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
>> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
>> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
>> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
>> Tapestry's development workload.
>>
>> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
>> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>>
>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>
>> --
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>> Best Regards
>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
I found that there is a idea list for Apache GSoC 2012 here[1], so i
want to know that should i add my "light weight TapestryTools" project
idea[2] into this list ? Is it necessary for an Apache GSoC 2012
project ? Or just optional. Anyone knows ?
Thank you
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?requestId=12319270
[2] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
在 2012年3月4日 下午10:30，Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> 写道：
> Hi All,
>
> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
> here [1].
>
> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
> discuss :-)
>
> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
> Tapestry's development workload.
>
> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>
> --
> ---------------------------------
> Best Regards
> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi Giulio,
Thank you for your straightforward complaint, not sound good, but it
is true. That is due to our *HEAVY* solution last year, you said the
CTRL + R switch does not work, i do not know how it happened. For most
users, if installed this tool correctly, it will work.
If it did not work, the reason may be failure in install process, as
it required WTP, the install process is not easy. Mismatch version of
WTP may result failure. And some users want to improve TapestryTools
together with me, but retreat when they found have to read WTP source
code first. I personally want to mark all the issue closed, make new
builds, but it is really not easy for a single student.
This is why we want to rebuild a lightweight TapestryTools this year,
make it easy to install, easy to improve. Most important, reduce
improvement threshold, attract more guys to improve it together with
me in the future.
About the issues, i have tried to solve most issues[1] which can be
reproduced in my computer, not "even don't answer to issues". Sorry
for the left 4 open issues, some of them can not reproduce in my
computer, and some of them are considered in the new lightweight
solution.
[1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/issues/list?can=1&q=&colspec=ID+Type+Status+Priority+Milestone+Owner+Summary&cells=tiles
2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
> Gavin....
> Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the most
> important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
>
> I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
> don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
>
> I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a lot of
> time in switching, etc....
> but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't care
> about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to build
> the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
>
> Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build, and
> yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it" ?
> I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com>.
Hi Giulio,
sounds like a cool feature but I would consider it as optional. Don't
forget that GSoC has a limited time frame. We agreed with Gavin to build a
great tool with a minimal feature set that just works. We defined some
features that are realistic to implement during GSoC. Adding more features
doesn't make sense right now. Gavin can implement this feature if he has
some time left. Alternatively this feature can be implemented after GSoC
because the project is Open Source. Anyone is invited to contribute
patches, suggestions, etc.
Maybe you just fill an issue in the tracker.
Regards
2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>
> OW.
> I had suspects on that notifications ! :D
>
> However, the problem is explained in the issue: it does not depend on
> eclipse wtp code or installation, it depends by the order of resources.
> you have 2 .tml when using maven: the first found is always in the /src
> directory, the second is in the /target.
> My patch stops the FOR cycle after the first found in /src. I use it since
> the day i've posted in the issue, and I can tell you that it works.
>
> Talking about the new project...sounds great !
>
> Ah, I almost forgot...an advice:
> After using it for a while, I can say that It will be cool if using CTRL+R
> on a component/page that has not yet the TML(when creating components, for
> example) the alert popup that says "there is not a template" could give
> another 2 buttons: "create in /src/java/resource" or "create in /src/web".
> It's not essential, but it will speed up components creation.
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio
>
>
> 2012/3/21 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi Giulio,
> >
> > I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
> > did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
> > be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
> >
> > 2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
> > > Gavin....
> > > Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the
> > most
> > > important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
> > >
> > > I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
> > > don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
> > >
> > > I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a
> lot
> > of
> > > time in switching, etc....
> > > but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't
> > care
> > > about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to
> > build
> > > the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
> > >
> > > Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build,
> > and
> > > yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install
> it" ?
> > > I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Giulio
> >
> >
> >
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> > Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Gavin,
So just a "return" or loop break simple statement can fix this
> problem, right?
>
Yes, it's a common thing I've noticed in many projects.
the "unclean part" of the patch is how you compute the sources directory,
but I don't know the eclipse framework and i cannot help in that.
> Thank you for your advise. If you use TapestryTools' page/component
> creation wizard, it will always create class file and tml file
> together with you. So template not found is not a usual situation, but
> we can consider it as a option feature. In some special situation such
> as user delete single tml file careless, this feature will be
> necessary.
>
> Funny to say, I have troubles on using the component wizards, or to give
the project the "tapestry nature".
Maybe because the WTP installation troubles(that i have), or because I
don't create the projects in eclipse but i import them with maven, so I
don't use it but it's not an important to me.
Cheers,
Giulio
Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
在 2012年3月21日 下午5:08，Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com> 写道：
> OW.
> I had suspects on that notifications ! :D
>
> However, the problem is explained in the issue: it does not depend on
> eclipse wtp code or installation, it depends by the order of resources.
> you have 2 .tml when using maven: the first found is always in the /src
> directory, the second is in the /target.
> My patch stops the FOR cycle after the first found in /src. I use it since
> the day i've posted in the issue, and I can tell you that it works.
So just a "return" or loop break simple statement can fix this
problem, right? If i got your issue patch notification, there isn't
any reason for me to ignore it at all. I am not a developer who "even
don't answer to issues", if i got notifications or mail etc from you,
i will always try to response to you.
>
> Talking about the new project...sounds great !
>
> Ah, I almost forgot...an advice:
> After using it for a while, I can say that It will be cool if using CTRL+R
> on a component/page that has not yet the TML(when creating components, for
> example) the alert popup that says "there is not a template" could give
> another 2 buttons: "create in /src/java/resource" or "create in /src/web".
> It's not essential, but it will speed up components creation.
Thank you for your advise. If you use TapestryTools' page/component
creation wizard, it will always create class file and tml file
together with you. So template not found is not a usual situation, but
we can consider it as a option feature. In some special situation such
as user delete single tml file careless, this feature will be
necessary.
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio
>
>
> 2012/3/21 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Giulio,
>>
>> I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
>> did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
>> be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
>>
>> 2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
>> > Gavin....
>> > Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the
>> most
>> > important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
>> >
>> > I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
>> > don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
>> >
>> > I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a lot
>> of
>> > time in switching, etc....
>> > but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't
>> care
>> > about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to
>> build
>> > the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
>> >
>> > Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build,
>> and
>> > yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it" ?
>> > I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Giulio
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>.
OW.
I had suspects on that notifications ! :D
However, the problem is explained in the issue: it does not depend on
eclipse wtp code or installation, it depends by the order of resources.
you have 2 .tml when using maven: the first found is always in the /src
directory, the second is in the /target.
My patch stops the FOR cycle after the first found in /src. I use it since
the day i've posted in the issue, and I can tell you that it works.
Talking about the new project...sounds great !
Ah, I almost forgot...an advice:
After using it for a while, I can say that It will be cool if using CTRL+R
on a component/page that has not yet the TML(when creating components, for
example) the alert popup that says "there is not a template" could give
another 2 buttons: "create in /src/java/resource" or "create in /src/web".
It's not essential, but it will speed up components creation.
Cheers,
Giulio
2012/3/21 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
> Hi Giulio,
>
> I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
> did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
> be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
>
> 2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
> > Gavin....
> > Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the
> most
> > important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
> >
> > I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
> > don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
> >
> > I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a lot
> of
> > time in switching, etc....
> > but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't
> care
> > about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to
> build
> > the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
> >
> > Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build,
> and
> > yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it" ?
> > I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Giulio
>
>
>
> --
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> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi Giulio,
May be my words confused you, when i said "but it has not many users
at last. I am some kind of disappoint.", i mean i hoped users like
TapestryTools and there will be more and more use it in the future.
But it did not come true, i am some kind of disappoint.
Not mean i feel sad as i get few feedback from users. Once Igor
discussed with me about the new solution, i posted it here to collect
feedback from you guys, and got many good advises. So i am happy to
get so much good feedback from users :-)
在 2012年3月21日 下午5:39，Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com> 写道：
> Hi Cris,
> I didn't mean to miss respect, especially for a project type in which i
> have not skills and for the developers that have these skills, and i'm
> happy to have that software, because in MY installation it works and works
> great.
>
> The point was that the project looked like abandoned(the answers to the
> other issues were quite old, the last time i saw them), not on bugs that
> cannot be resolved(we are all developers, all of us knows how using
> framework is a messy stuff) or legal notices on the "the sofware is granted
> AS IS".
>
> I just didn't understood the "disappointment on lack of users", when it
> seems the users feedbacks are ignored, but it was a misunderstanding.
>
> If I offended someone, my apologies.
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/3/21 Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
>
>> I was just replying to another message, specifically to Guilio -
>>
>> Mate - have a little respect. There's a bunch of people that write
>> software and provide the source code - they don't have to!
>> Gavin is getting on with something that could potentially save us a
>> thousand hours collectively!!
>> There's a tonne of F/OSS software that is buggy in case you're not used to
>> it.
>>
>> 1. The patch was submitted in early December and you state it's an
>> example and not "clean" - that is one unusual way of trying to get code
>> submitted to a project...
>> 2. There are 3 issues in the project. 2 of them have responses.
>>
>> If you or anyone else is not happy with what you've got for no cost, refer
>> to definitions 7 and 8 of the license,
>> https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>> As it turns out, there's a reason for the patch not being noticed at all!!!
>>
>> Maybe instead of having a whinge about it, write a blog post on how anyone
>> can patch it themselves and link to it from the issue - other people on
>> this list may find that more useful!
>>
>> You sound a little bit like this guy
>> http://old.nabble.com/Is-Archiva-possible-to-install-and-use-under-the-latest-version-of-Tomcat--td32346776.html
>>
>> Cheer up - I hope you have nice day :)
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 21/03/2012, at 7:33 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Giulio,
>> >
>> > I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
>> > did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
>> > be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
>> >
>> > 2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
>> >> Gavin....
>> >> Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the
>> most
>> >> important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
>> >>
>> >> I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
>> >> don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
>> >>
>> >> I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a
>> lot of
>> >> time in switching, etc....
>> >> but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't
>> care
>> >> about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to
>> build
>> >> the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build,
>> and
>> >> yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it"
>> ?
>> >> I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Giulio
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Gavin Lei (雷银)
>> > Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
HAHA Chris, thank you for your sticking up :D
在 2012年3月21日 下午5:47，Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org> 写道：
> Yeah it looks like it's all sorting itself out.
>
> I just like sticking my big nose into those situations with my 2 cents. Usually us F/OSS devs accept the abuse, but I like sticking up for my brethren :)
>
> Cheers bro,
> Chris
>
>
> On 21/03/2012, at 8:39 PM, Giulio Micali wrote:
>
>> Hi Cris,
>> I didn't mean to miss respect, especially for a project type in which i
>> have not skills and for the developers that have these skills, and i'm
>> happy to have that software, because in MY installation it works and works
>> great.
>>
>> The point was that the project looked like abandoned(the answers to the
>> other issues were quite old, the last time i saw them), not on bugs that
>> cannot be resolved(we are all developers, all of us knows how using
>> framework is a messy stuff) or legal notices on the "the sofware is granted
>> AS IS".
>>
>> I just didn't understood the "disappointment on lack of users", when it
>> seems the users feedbacks are ignored, but it was a misunderstanding.
>>
>> If I offended someone, my apologies.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Giulio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/3/21 Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
>>
>>> I was just replying to another message, specifically to Guilio -
>>>
>>> Mate - have a little respect. There's a bunch of people that write
>>> software and provide the source code - they don't have to!
>>> Gavin is getting on with something that could potentially save us a
>>> thousand hours collectively!!
>>> There's a tonne of F/OSS software that is buggy in case you're not used to
>>> it.
>>>
>>> 1. The patch was submitted in early December and you state it's an
>>> example and not "clean" - that is one unusual way of trying to get code
>>> submitted to a project...
>>> 2. There are 3 issues in the project. 2 of them have responses.
>>>
>>> If you or anyone else is not happy with what you've got for no cost, refer
>>> to definitions 7 and 8 of the license,
>>> https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>>> As it turns out, there's a reason for the patch not being noticed at all!!!
>>>
>>> Maybe instead of having a whinge about it, write a blog post on how anyone
>>> can patch it themselves and link to it from the issue - other people on
>>> this list may find that more useful!
>>>
>>> You sound a little bit like this guy
>>> http://old.nabble.com/Is-Archiva-possible-to-install-and-use-under-the-latest-version-of-Tomcat--td32346776.html
>>>
>>> Cheer up - I hope you have nice day :)
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21/03/2012, at 7:33 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Giulio,
>>>>
>>>> I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
>>>> did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
>>>> be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
>>>>
>>>> 2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> Gavin....
>>>>> Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the
>>> most
>>>>> important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
>>>>> don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a
>>> lot of
>>>>> time in switching, etc....
>>>>> but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't
>>> care
>>>>> about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to
>>> build
>>>>> the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build,
>>> and
>>>>> yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it"
>>> ?
>>>>> I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Giulio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>.
Yeah it looks like it's all sorting itself out.
I just like sticking my big nose into those situations with my 2 cents. Usually us F/OSS devs accept the abuse, but I like sticking up for my brethren :)
Cheers bro,
Chris
On 21/03/2012, at 8:39 PM, Giulio Micali wrote:
> Hi Cris,
> I didn't mean to miss respect, especially for a project type in which i
> have not skills and for the developers that have these skills, and i'm
> happy to have that software, because in MY installation it works and works
> great.
>
> The point was that the project looked like abandoned(the answers to the
> other issues were quite old, the last time i saw them), not on bugs that
> cannot be resolved(we are all developers, all of us knows how using
> framework is a messy stuff) or legal notices on the "the sofware is granted
> AS IS".
>
> I just didn't understood the "disappointment on lack of users", when it
> seems the users feedbacks are ignored, but it was a misunderstanding.
>
> If I offended someone, my apologies.
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/3/21 Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
>
>> I was just replying to another message, specifically to Guilio -
>>
>> Mate - have a little respect. There's a bunch of people that write
>> software and provide the source code - they don't have to!
>> Gavin is getting on with something that could potentially save us a
>> thousand hours collectively!!
>> There's a tonne of F/OSS software that is buggy in case you're not used to
>> it.
>>
>> 1. The patch was submitted in early December and you state it's an
>> example and not "clean" - that is one unusual way of trying to get code
>> submitted to a project...
>> 2. There are 3 issues in the project. 2 of them have responses.
>>
>> If you or anyone else is not happy with what you've got for no cost, refer
>> to definitions 7 and 8 of the license,
>> https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>> As it turns out, there's a reason for the patch not being noticed at all!!!
>>
>> Maybe instead of having a whinge about it, write a blog post on how anyone
>> can patch it themselves and link to it from the issue - other people on
>> this list may find that more useful!
>>
>> You sound a little bit like this guy
>> http://old.nabble.com/Is-Archiva-possible-to-install-and-use-under-the-latest-version-of-Tomcat--td32346776.html
>>
>> Cheer up - I hope you have nice day :)
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 21/03/2012, at 7:33 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Giulio,
>>>
>>> I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
>>> did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
>>> be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
>>>
>>> 2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Gavin....
>>>> Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the
>> most
>>>> important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
>>>>
>>>> I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
>>>> don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
>>>>
>>>> I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a
>> lot of
>>>> time in switching, etc....
>>>> but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't
>> care
>>>> about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to
>> build
>>>> the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build,
>> and
>>>> yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it"
>> ?
>>>> I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Giulio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Best Regards
>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Cris,
I didn't mean to miss respect, especially for a project type in which i
have not skills and for the developers that have these skills, and i'm
happy to have that software, because in MY installation it works and works
great.
The point was that the project looked like abandoned(the answers to the
other issues were quite old, the last time i saw them), not on bugs that
cannot be resolved(we are all developers, all of us knows how using
framework is a messy stuff) or legal notices on the "the sofware is granted
AS IS".
I just didn't understood the "disappointment on lack of users", when it
seems the users feedbacks are ignored, but it was a misunderstanding.
If I offended someone, my apologies.
Cheers,
Giulio
2012/3/21 Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
> I was just replying to another message, specifically to Guilio -
>
> Mate - have a little respect. There's a bunch of people that write
> software and provide the source code - they don't have to!
> Gavin is getting on with something that could potentially save us a
> thousand hours collectively!!
> There's a tonne of F/OSS software that is buggy in case you're not used to
> it.
>
> 1. The patch was submitted in early December and you state it's an
> example and not "clean" - that is one unusual way of trying to get code
> submitted to a project...
> 2. There are 3 issues in the project. 2 of them have responses.
>
> If you or anyone else is not happy with what you've got for no cost, refer
> to definitions 7 and 8 of the license,
> https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
> As it turns out, there's a reason for the patch not being noticed at all!!!
>
> Maybe instead of having a whinge about it, write a blog post on how anyone
> can patch it themselves and link to it from the issue - other people on
> this list may find that more useful!
>
> You sound a little bit like this guy
> http://old.nabble.com/Is-Archiva-possible-to-install-and-use-under-the-latest-version-of-Tomcat--td32346776.html
>
> Cheer up - I hope you have nice day :)
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 21/03/2012, at 7:33 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
>
> > Hi Giulio,
> >
> > I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
> > did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
> > be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
> >
> > 2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
> >> Gavin....
> >> Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the
> most
> >> important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
> >>
> >> I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
> >> don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
> >>
> >> I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a
> lot of
> >> time in switching, etc....
> >> but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't
> care
> >> about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to
> build
> >> the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
> >>
> >> Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build,
> and
> >> yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it"
> ?
> >> I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Giulio
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ---------------------------------
> > Best Regards
> > Gavin Lei (雷银)
> > Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>.
I was just replying to another message, specifically to Guilio -
Mate - have a little respect. There's a bunch of people that write software and provide the source code - they don't have to!
Gavin is getting on with something that could potentially save us a thousand hours collectively!!
There's a tonne of F/OSS software that is buggy in case you're not used to it.
1. The patch was submitted in early December and you state it's an example and not "clean" - that is one unusual way of trying to get code submitted to a project...
2. There are 3 issues in the project. 2 of them have responses.
If you or anyone else is not happy with what you've got for no cost, refer to definitions 7 and 8 of the license, https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
As it turns out, there's a reason for the patch not being noticed at all!!!
Maybe instead of having a whinge about it, write a blog post on how anyone can patch it themselves and link to it from the issue - other people on this list may find that more useful!
You sound a little bit like this guy http://old.nabble.com/Is-Archiva-possible-to-install-and-use-under-the-latest-version-of-Tomcat--td32346776.html
Cheer up - I hope you have nice day :)
Chris
On 21/03/2012, at 7:33 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
> Hi Giulio,
>
> I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
> did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
> be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
>
> 2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
>> Gavin....
>> Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the most
>> important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
>>
>> I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
>> don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
>>
>> I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a lot of
>> time in switching, etc....
>> but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't care
>> about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to build
>> the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
>>
>> Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build, and
>> yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it" ?
>> I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Giulio
>
>
>
> --
> ---------------------------------
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> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi Giulio,
I just found that you attached a patch in Issue 13 now, Google Code
did not send any notification to me about the Issue changes, there may
be some setting wrong, sorry for that.
2012/3/21 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
> Gavin....
> Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the most
> important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
>
> I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
> don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
>
> I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a lot of
> time in switching, etc....
> but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't care
> about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to build
> the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
>
> Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build, and
> yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it" ?
> I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>.
Gavin....
Many users already told you they does not use your plugin because the most
important feature, the CTRL+R switch, DOESN'T WORK !!!!
I've already told you that: your project looks like abandoned, you even
don't answer to issues...why someone would use it ?
I use your plugin because I've patched it and it works great, save a lot of
time in switching, etc....
but since I don't know anything about eclipse development(and I don't care
about that), finding the bug took me 10 minutes, but finding a way to build
the project correctly made me loose a lot of hours !
Why don't you apply the patch, mark the issue closed, make a new build, and
yell here "hey buddies, now it works, all you have to do is install it" ?
I'm sure you will gain a lot of users.
Cheers,
Giulio
Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Agree with your point :-)
Last year, i built an Eclipse WTP based TapestryTools, i think i have
finished much features, it may be powerful and welcome, but it has not
many users at last. I am some kind of disappoint.
After discuss with Igor, we thought we should change the way, give up
much *heavy* optional features but focus on practical key features,
and keep this tool simple.
So we would like to work this way:
Concentrate on simple stuff first then do optional, prefer to have a
minimal feature set that works perfect
than having a lot of features that work not to 100%.
In fact, i thought about this feature, when i considered into details,
i found it is not easy to make it perfect. So i will add this into my
proposal as first optional feature. After i finished necessary
features, i will try to add another Java Class tab in the TML editor.
2012/3/20 Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>:
> I saw that in your proposal and I'd also keep the shortcut. In fact the shortcut could be used to
> switch between the tabs. But opening the class and the template in the same window would emphasis
> that they belong together and in most cases they are also edited together. It's just an additional
> idea to consider but I think it would be very useful.
>
> Uli
>
> On 20.03.2012 14:50, Gavin Lei wrote:
>> Hi Uli,
>>
>> I know what is your mean, you would like a multi-tab editor with both
>> Java class tab and .tml tab. This is a good solution to switch between
>> Tapestry's page/component class file and .tml tempate file.
>>
>> But in my current plan, we would like to supply another solution, it
>> will also supply convenient way to switch between Tapestry's
>> page/component class file and .tml tempate file:
>>
>> When you are editing Tapestry's page/component class file, just click
>> a icon in Eclipse toolbar or use "CTRL + R" command, it will find and
>> open corresponding .tml template file (using our TML editor) for you.
>>
>> And you can also find its corresponding class file when you are
>> editing .tml template file in this way. So, i think this solution can
>> also meet you need :-)
>>
>> Your idea ?
>>
>>
>> 2012/3/20 Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>:
>>> I don't know whether this has come up before or already is in the planning. Something that I'd find
>>> useful would be if opening a component class automatically also opened the component template and
>>> you'd have something similar to the tabs at the bottom of the XML editor window where you can switch
>>> between the "Design" and "Source" view. Only that in a Tapestry context it would be "Class" and
>>> "Template" or just "Class" if a component doesn't have a template.
>>>
>>> Uli
>>>
>>> On 20.03.2012 14:20, Gavin Lei wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> In order to reduce users' install difficulty, after discussion with
>>>> Igor, we decide to supply Eclipse Marketplace support as well as
>>>> individual update center once this XML editor based lightweight
>>>> TapestryTools get stable release version. I have updated my project
>>>> proposal already[1].
>>>>
>>>> After that, Eclipse with Marketplace client(Such as Eclipse IDE for
>>>> Java developer) users can install this lightweight TapestryTools from
>>>> menu Help -> Eclipse Marketplace very easily.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>>>>
>>>> 在 2012年3月15日 下午8:48，Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> 写道：
>>>>> Yeah, right, i forgot this point, i will add this point into the proposal :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> 在 2012年3月15日 下午7:19，Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com> 写道：
>>>>>> Hey Gavin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> one comment on 5. Autocompletion features: The autocompletion should also
>>>>>> work for fields annotated with @Property, not only plain getters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides that the features set looks good. I think the result will be an
>>>>>> awesome tool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/3/4 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
>>>>>>> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
>>>>>>> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
>>>>>>> here [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
>>>>>>> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
>>>>>>> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
>>>>>>> discuss :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
>>>>>>> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
>>>>>>> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
>>>>>>> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
>>>>>>> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
>>>>>>> Tapestry's development workload.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
>>>>>>> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>>>>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Igor Drobiazko
>>>>>> http://tapestry5.de
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/drobiazko
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>>>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project
prposal
Posted by Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>.
I saw that in your proposal and I'd also keep the shortcut. In fact the shortcut could be used to
switch between the tabs. But opening the class and the template in the same window would emphasis
that they belong together and in most cases they are also edited together. It's just an additional
idea to consider but I think it would be very useful.
Uli
On 20.03.2012 14:50, Gavin Lei wrote:
> Hi Uli,
>
> I know what is your mean, you would like a multi-tab editor with both
> Java class tab and .tml tab. This is a good solution to switch between
> Tapestry's page/component class file and .tml tempate file.
>
> But in my current plan, we would like to supply another solution, it
> will also supply convenient way to switch between Tapestry's
> page/component class file and .tml tempate file:
>
> When you are editing Tapestry's page/component class file, just click
> a icon in Eclipse toolbar or use "CTRL + R" command, it will find and
> open corresponding .tml template file (using our TML editor) for you.
>
> And you can also find its corresponding class file when you are
> editing .tml template file in this way. So, i think this solution can
> also meet you need :-)
>
> Your idea ?
>
>
> 2012/3/20 Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>:
>> I don't know whether this has come up before or already is in the planning. Something that I'd find
>> useful would be if opening a component class automatically also opened the component template and
>> you'd have something similar to the tabs at the bottom of the XML editor window where you can switch
>> between the "Design" and "Source" view. Only that in a Tapestry context it would be "Class" and
>> "Template" or just "Class" if a component doesn't have a template.
>>
>> Uli
>>
>> On 20.03.2012 14:20, Gavin Lei wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In order to reduce users' install difficulty, after discussion with
>>> Igor, we decide to supply Eclipse Marketplace support as well as
>>> individual update center once this XML editor based lightweight
>>> TapestryTools get stable release version. I have updated my project
>>> proposal already[1].
>>>
>>> After that, Eclipse with Marketplace client(Such as Eclipse IDE for
>>> Java developer) users can install this lightweight TapestryTools from
>>> menu Help -> Eclipse Marketplace very easily.
>>>
>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>>>
>>> 在 2012年3月15日 下午8:48，Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> 写道：
>>>> Yeah, right, i forgot this point, i will add this point into the proposal :-)
>>>>
>>>> 在 2012年3月15日 下午7:19，Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com> 写道：
>>>>> Hey Gavin,
>>>>>
>>>>> one comment on 5. Autocompletion features: The autocompletion should also
>>>>> work for fields annotated with @Property, not only plain getters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides that the features set looks good. I think the result will be an
>>>>> awesome tool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/3/4 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
>>>>>> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
>>>>>> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
>>>>>> here [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
>>>>>> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
>>>>>> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
>>>>>> discuss :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
>>>>>> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
>>>>>> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
>>>>>> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
>>>>>> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
>>>>>> Tapestry's development workload.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
>>>>>> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>>>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Igor Drobiazko
>>>>> http://tapestry5.de
>>>>> http://twitter.com/drobiazko
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi Uli,
I know what is your mean, you would like a multi-tab editor with both
Java class tab and .tml tab. This is a good solution to switch between
Tapestry's page/component class file and .tml tempate file.
But in my current plan, we would like to supply another solution, it
will also supply convenient way to switch between Tapestry's
page/component class file and .tml tempate file:
When you are editing Tapestry's page/component class file, just click
a icon in Eclipse toolbar or use "CTRL + R" command, it will find and
open corresponding .tml template file (using our TML editor) for you.
And you can also find its corresponding class file when you are
editing .tml template file in this way. So, i think this solution can
also meet you need :-)
Your idea ?
2012/3/20 Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>:
> I don't know whether this has come up before or already is in the planning. Something that I'd find
> useful would be if opening a component class automatically also opened the component template and
> you'd have something similar to the tabs at the bottom of the XML editor window where you can switch
> between the "Design" and "Source" view. Only that in a Tapestry context it would be "Class" and
> "Template" or just "Class" if a component doesn't have a template.
>
> Uli
>
> On 20.03.2012 14:20, Gavin Lei wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In order to reduce users' install difficulty, after discussion with
>> Igor, we decide to supply Eclipse Marketplace support as well as
>> individual update center once this XML editor based lightweight
>> TapestryTools get stable release version. I have updated my project
>> proposal already[1].
>>
>> After that, Eclipse with Marketplace client(Such as Eclipse IDE for
>> Java developer) users can install this lightweight TapestryTools from
>> menu Help -> Eclipse Marketplace very easily.
>>
>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>>
>> 在 2012年3月15日 下午8:48，Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> 写道：
>>> Yeah, right, i forgot this point, i will add this point into the proposal :-)
>>>
>>> 在 2012年3月15日 下午7:19，Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com> 写道：
>>>> Hey Gavin,
>>>>
>>>> one comment on 5. Autocompletion features: The autocompletion should also
>>>> work for fields annotated with @Property, not only plain getters.
>>>>
>>>> Besides that the features set looks good. I think the result will be an
>>>> awesome tool.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/3/4 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
>>>>> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
>>>>> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
>>>>> here [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
>>>>> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
>>>>> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
>>>>> discuss :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
>>>>> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
>>>>> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
>>>>> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
>>>>> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
>>>>> Tapestry's development workload.
>>>>>
>>>>> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
>>>>> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Igor Drobiazko
>>>> http://tapestry5.de
>>>> http://twitter.com/drobiazko
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Best Regards
>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>
>>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project
prposal
Posted by Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>.
I don't know whether this has come up before or already is in the planning. Something that I'd find
useful would be if opening a component class automatically also opened the component template and
you'd have something similar to the tabs at the bottom of the XML editor window where you can switch
between the "Design" and "Source" view. Only that in a Tapestry context it would be "Class" and
"Template" or just "Class" if a component doesn't have a template.
Uli
On 20.03.2012 14:20, Gavin Lei wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In order to reduce users' install difficulty, after discussion with
> Igor, we decide to supply Eclipse Marketplace support as well as
> individual update center once this XML editor based lightweight
> TapestryTools get stable release version. I have updated my project
> proposal already[1].
>
> After that, Eclipse with Marketplace client(Such as Eclipse IDE for
> Java developer) users can install this lightweight TapestryTools from
> menu Help -> Eclipse Marketplace very easily.
>
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>
> 在 2012年3月15日 下午8:48，Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> 写道：
>> Yeah, right, i forgot this point, i will add this point into the proposal :-)
>>
>> 在 2012年3月15日 下午7:19，Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com> 写道：
>>> Hey Gavin,
>>>
>>> one comment on 5. Autocompletion features: The autocompletion should also
>>> work for fields annotated with @Property, not only plain getters.
>>>
>>> Besides that the features set looks good. I think the result will be an
>>> awesome tool.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/3/4 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
>>>> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
>>>> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
>>>> here [1].
>>>>
>>>> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
>>>> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
>>>> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
>>>> discuss :-)
>>>>
>>>> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
>>>> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
>>>> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
>>>> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
>>>> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
>>>> Tapestry's development workload.
>>>>
>>>> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
>>>> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Igor Drobiazko
>>> http://tapestry5.de
>>> http://twitter.com/drobiazko
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ---------------------------------
>> Best Regards
>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
In order to reduce users' install difficulty, after discussion with
Igor, we decide to supply Eclipse Marketplace support as well as
individual update center once this XML editor based lightweight
TapestryTools get stable release version. I have updated my project
proposal already[1].
After that, Eclipse with Marketplace client(Such as Eclipse IDE for
Java developer) users can install this lightweight TapestryTools from
menu Help -> Eclipse Marketplace very easily.
[1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
在 2012年3月15日 下午8:48，Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> 写道：
> Yeah, right, i forgot this point, i will add this point into the proposal :-)
>
> 在 2012年3月15日 下午7:19，Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com> 写道：
>> Hey Gavin,
>>
>> one comment on 5. Autocompletion features: The autocompletion should also
>> work for fields annotated with @Property, not only plain getters.
>>
>> Besides that the features set looks good. I think the result will be an
>> awesome tool.
>>
>>
>> 2012/3/4 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
>>> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
>>> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
>>> here [1].
>>>
>>> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
>>> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
>>> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
>>> discuss :-)
>>>
>>> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
>>> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
>>> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
>>> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
>>> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
>>> Tapestry's development workload.
>>>
>>> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
>>> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>>>
>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Best Regards
>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Igor Drobiazko
>> http://tapestry5.de
>> http://twitter.com/drobiazko
>>
>
>
>
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> ---------------------------------
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> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, right, i forgot this point, i will add this point into the proposal :-)
在 2012年3月15日 下午7:19，Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com> 写道：
> Hey Gavin,
>
> one comment on 5. Autocompletion features: The autocompletion should also
> work for fields annotated with @Property, not only plain getters.
>
> Besides that the features set looks good. I think the result will be an
> awesome tool.
>
>
> 2012/3/4 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
>> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
>> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
>> here [1].
>>
>> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
>> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
>> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
>> discuss :-)
>>
>> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
>> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
>> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
>> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
>> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
>> Tapestry's development workload.
>>
>> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
>> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>>
>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>>
>> --
>> ---------------------------------
>> Best Regards
>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Igor Drobiazko
> http://tapestry5.de
> http://twitter.com/drobiazko
>
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Re: Draft version of Light weight TapestryTools GSoC 2012 project prposal
Posted by Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com>.
Hey Gavin,
one comment on 5. Autocompletion features: The autocompletion should also
work for fields annotated with @Property, not only plain getters.
Besides that the features set looks good. I think the result will be an
awesome tool.
2012/3/4 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
> Hi All,
>
> After series of survey and experiment job, now i make clear of Eclipse
> based light weight TapestryTools implement solution. Now i have
> finished the draft version of project proposal, you guys can find it
> here [1].
>
> In order to explain the whole things more clear, i added some pictures
> in the proposal, so it is not so convenient to post the whole proposal
> in mail list here. But here is the best place to read feedback and
> discuss :-)
>
> Igor and I really want to build a really popular Tapestry 5 visual
> editor this year, we hope that all the Tapestry developers will use it
> and like it in the future. At the beginning, we will not supply much
> dazzling features, but we will focus on basic and pivotal key
> features, build a simple but practical tool which will really reduce
> Tapestry's development workload.
>
> One more time, feedback is welcome, both here or left comments in the
> proposal URL. You guys can improve it with me together, thank you :-)
>
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/Light_weight_TapestryTools
>
> --
> ---------------------------------
> Best Regards
> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>
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Igor Drobiazko
http://tapestry5.de
http://twitter.com/drobiazko