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[ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8,
now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 is a maintenance release aimed at correcting
some regressions and delivering the latest English dictionary. All users
of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.7 or earlier are advised to upgrade.
For the complete overview see the list in Bugzilla:
https://s.apache.org/AOO-418changes
Full version of this announcement:
https://s.apache.org/AOO-418announcement
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 Release Notes:
https://s.apache.org/AOO-418releasenotes
Download Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 from the original source only:
https://www.openoffice.org/download/
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11.11.20 um 17:41 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 11.11.20 um 17:37 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 11.11.20 um 17:26 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>> On 11/11/2020 3:54 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't believe that after all the effort this release is going to
>>> fall short because Sourceforge doesn't have the servers.
>>>
>>> Currently the only options available are
>>>
>>> Auto-select
>>> SourceForge (San Diego, California, US)
>>>
>>> You can't even choose the mirror manually!
>>
>> wow, thats not good. Previously we had 12 (?) mirrors. So, the
>> availability was much, much better. Now it's a kind of lottery if you
>> get the download file.
>
> I get only 1 mirror with every file I look at...
>
> With 4.1.7 it scaled up to 28 mirrors for some files.
>
> May be a matter of time?
hm, then SF needs a longer time than for previous releases.
@Dave:
Can you help us here? What can we do to improve the situation?
Thanks
Marcus
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org.INVALID>.
Hi Matthias, all
> On 11/11/2020 4:41 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> May be a matter of time?
Yes, let's hope so. But I expect that 6 days should be enough to synchronize more than one mirror.
Regarding Microsoft's bad will, I think this is a little too much
https://i.imgur.com/dTZVLcK.png
It's in Portuguese but the message should be understandable. Even if The ASF is recognized as the Publisher, it still warns you and asks if you want to execute the installer because the application is NOT recognized and could harm the user's system???
Do we have to pay Microsoft to put it in the Windows Store???
Regards,
Pedro
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Marcus,
Am 11.11.20 um 17:37 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 11.11.20 um 17:26 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> On 11/11/2020 3:54 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>
>>> wrote:
>>
>> I can't believe that after all the effort this release is going to
>> fall short because Sourceforge doesn't have the servers.
>>
>> Currently the only options available are
>>
>> Auto-select
>> SourceForge (San Diego, California, US)
>>
>> You can't even choose the mirror manually!
>
> wow, thats not good. Previously we had 12 (?) mirrors. So, the
> availability was much, much better. Now it's a kind of lottery if you
> get the download file.
I get only 1 mirror with every file I look at...
With 4.1.7 it scaled up to 28 mirrors for some files.
May be a matter of time?
Matthias
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11.11.20 um 17:26 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> On 11/11/2020 3:54 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> I can't believe that after all the effort this release is going to fall short because Sourceforge doesn't have the servers.
>
> Currently the only options available are
>
> Auto-select
> SourceForge (San Diego, California, US)
>
> You can't even choose the mirror manually!
wow, thats not good. Previously we had 12 (?) mirrors. So, the
availability was much, much better. Now it's a kind of lottery if you
get the download file.
Marcus
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11.11.20 um 17:31 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>
> Previous release took about 24 hours to propagate to all the servers worldwide.
the initial upload was on 05th / 06th November, so already far above of
24 hours. ;-)
Marcus
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
Previous release took about 24 hours to propagate to all the servers worldwide.
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi,
Am 11.11.20 um 17:32 schrieb Bidouille:
> Thanks all team for this job
> Is it possible to update french homepage with this news?
> https://fr.openoffice.org
> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_11/JKlqGvF0dKY_Capture.PNG
Just one minute... ;-)
Matthias
>
> ----- Mail original -----
>> De: "Pedro Lino" <pe...@mailbox.org.INVALID>
>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Envoyé: Mercredi 11 Novembre 2020 17:26:19
>> Objet: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>
>> Hi Matthias, all
>>
>>> On 11/11/2020 3:54 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>
>>> wrote:
>>> That's not new with files downloaded from the Internet.
>>> But somehow I did hope that the ASF certificate would silence
>>> SmartScreen... ;-)
>> It does. At least on the PC I managed to test this.
>> I can't believe that after all the effort this release is going to
>> fall short because Sourceforge doesn't have the servers.
>>
>> Currently the only options available are
>>
>> Auto-select
>> SourceForge (San Diego, California, US)
>>
>> You can't even choose the mirror manually!
>>
>>> However, SmartScreen [1] is a cloud based service , the more people
>>> download a file and open it the more "reputation" it gets.
>> You forgot to mention: the more people download it successfully on
>> Windows 10 (which is not so easy, with the obstacles mentioned)
>> hopefully the more Good reputation it gets!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
>>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Bidouille <oo...@free.fr>.
Thanks all team for this job
Is it possible to update french homepage with this news?
https://fr.openoffice.org
https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_11/JKlqGvF0dKY_Capture.PNG
----- Mail original -----
> De: "Pedro Lino" <pe...@mailbox.org.INVALID>
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Mercredi 11 Novembre 2020 17:26:19
> Objet: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>
> Hi Matthias, all
>
> > On 11/11/2020 3:54 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>
> > wrote:
>
> > That's not new with files downloaded from the Internet.
> > But somehow I did hope that the ASF certificate would silence
> > SmartScreen... ;-)
>
> It does. At least on the PC I managed to test this.
> I can't believe that after all the effort this release is going to
> fall short because Sourceforge doesn't have the servers.
>
> Currently the only options available are
>
> Auto-select
> SourceForge (San Diego, California, US)
>
> You can't even choose the mirror manually!
>
> >
> > However, SmartScreen [1] is a cloud based service , the more people
> > download a file and open it the more "reputation" it gets.
>
> You forgot to mention: the more people download it successfully on
> Windows 10 (which is not so easy, with the obstacles mentioned)
> hopefully the more Good reputation it gets!
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org.INVALID>.
Hi Matthias, all
> On 11/11/2020 3:54 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> That's not new with files downloaded from the Internet.
> But somehow I did hope that the ASF certificate would silence
> SmartScreen... ;-)
It does. At least on the PC I managed to test this.
I can't believe that after all the effort this release is going to fall short because Sourceforge doesn't have the servers.
Currently the only options available are
Auto-select
SourceForge (San Diego, California, US)
You can't even choose the mirror manually!
>
> However, SmartScreen [1] is a cloud based service , the more people
> download a file and open it the more "reputation" it gets.
You forgot to mention: the more people download it successfully on Windows 10 (which is not so easy, with the obstacles mentioned) hopefully the more Good reputation it gets!
Regards,
Pedro
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi,
Am 11.11.20 um 16:45 schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 12:00 Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
>> I posted a tweet from our official twitter account.
>>
> Congrats for this release.
> You might want to know that MSFT is back to its dirty tricks and prevents
> the signed installer from running, courtesy of "Smartscreen" part of
> "Microsoft Defender".
>
> I've posted a tweet with screenshots....
>
> https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/1326340013190221826?s=19
>
> It's obvious that hiding the "run anyway" button behind a second click on
> "more info" has the intent of people giving up, be scared, and not run it.
That's not new with files downloaded from the Internet.
But somehow I did hope that the ASF certificate would silence
SmartScreen... ;-)
However, SmartScreen [1] is a cloud based service , the more people
download a file and open it the more "reputation" it gets.
Regards,
Matthias
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SmartScreen#Windows
>
> FC
>
>>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:51 AM
>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>>>
>>>> Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open
>>>> Source office
>>>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache
>>>> OpenOffice 4.1.8,
>>>>>> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>> I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an
>>>> update (and not an upgrade).
>>>>> I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the
>>>> announcement as well as in the release notes.
>>>>
>>>> a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
>>>> definition of the version schema. So, so using the word
>>>> "upgrade" is not
>>>> wrong. This is my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference
>>>> of meaning
>>>> between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
>>> Good release notes, as well as good documentation and much more are a
>> necessary part of good software.
>>> Why is it once again seemingly more important to reject criticism than
>> to take it up and consider it for the future?
>>> I'm sorry Marcus, it's just this climate in the community that has kept
>> me from working more intensively for a long time.
>>>> Feel free to use the respective wording in the German version. :-)
>>> yes, I had already done that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jörg
>>>
>>>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 12:00 Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> I posted a tweet from our official twitter account.
>
Congrats for this release.
You might want to know that MSFT is back to its dirty tricks and prevents
the signed installer from running, courtesy of "Smartscreen" part of
"Microsoft Defender".
I've posted a tweet with screenshots....
https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/1326340013190221826?s=19
It's obvious that hiding the "run anyway" button behind a second click on
"more info" has the intent of people giving up, be scared, and not run it.
FC
>
> > On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:51 AM
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
> >>
> >> Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
> >>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
> >>>>
> >>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open
> >> Source office
> >>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache
> >> OpenOffice 4.1.8,
> >>>> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
> >>>> [...]
> >>>
> >>> I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an
> >> update (and not an upgrade).
> >>> I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the
> >> announcement as well as in the release notes.
> >>
> >> a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
> >> definition of the version schema. So, so using the word
> >> "upgrade" is not
> >> wrong. This is my opinion.
> >>
> >> And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference
> >> of meaning
> >> between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
> >
> > Good release notes, as well as good documentation and much more are a
> necessary part of good software.
> > Why is it once again seemingly more important to reject criticism than
> to take it up and consider it for the future?
> >
> > I'm sorry Marcus, it's just this climate in the community that has kept
> me from working more intensively for a long time.
> >
> >> Feel free to use the respective wording in the German version. :-)
> >
> > yes, I had already done that
> >
> >
> >
> > Jörg
> >
> >
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
I posted a tweet from our official twitter account.
> On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:51 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>
>> Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>>>
>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open
>> Source office
>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache
>> OpenOffice 4.1.8,
>>>> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an
>> update (and not an upgrade).
>>> I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the
>> announcement as well as in the release notes.
>>
>> a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
>> definition of the version schema. So, so using the word
>> "upgrade" is not
>> wrong. This is my opinion.
>>
>> And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference
>> of meaning
>> between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
>
> Good release notes, as well as good documentation and much more are a necessary part of good software.
> Why is it once again seemingly more important to reject criticism than to take it up and consider it for the future?
>
> I'm sorry Marcus, it's just this climate in the community that has kept me from working more intensively for a long time.
>
>> Feel free to use the respective wording in the German version. :-)
>
> yes, I had already done that
>
>
>
> Jörg
>
>
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:55 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
> > at first:
> > "a new release within the 4.1.x release branch _cannot be
> big_ by definition of the version schema"
> >
> > and to this I say: you are absolutely right
> >
> > but then you write:
> > "_so_ using the word "upgrade" is not wrong."
> >
> > and to this I say: if the change is small it would rather
> be an "update", because "upgrade" generally applies to larger changes
>
> Maybe because I see and understand it from the other side?
I do not want to continue this kind of discussion, because it does more harm than good.
I can only tell you, with a pure heart, that I would have expected only approval for my criticism, because I thought the use of "upgrade" was an mistake, but it seems that even on the question of update vs. upgrade there are completely contrary opinions.
Jörg
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11.11.20 um 19:34 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:43 PM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>
>> Am 11.11.20 um 14:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:51 AM
>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>>>
>>>> Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open
>>>> Source office
>>>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache
>>>> OpenOffice 4.1.8,
>>>>>> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an
>>>> update (and not an upgrade).
>>>>> I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the
>>>> announcement as well as in the release notes.
>>>>
>>>> a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
>>>> definition of the version schema. So, so using the word
>>>> "upgrade" is not
>>>> wrong. This is my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference
>>>> of meaning
>>>> between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
>>>
>>> Good release notes, as well as good documentation and much
>> more are a necessary part of good software.
>>> Why is it once again seemingly more important to reject
>> criticism than to take it up and consider it for the future?
>>>
>>> I'm sorry Marcus, it's just this climate in the community
>> that has kept me from working more intensively for a long time.
>>
>> I don't understand why you see here a bad climate.
>
> I spoke of a climate that I do not like. And I did this because I see that criticism for improvement is too often understood as negative.
>
>> I don't speak for all in the project.
>
> Have you read what you write?
no, I always don't look for my writings.
Come on. ;-)
> at first:
> "a new release within the 4.1.x release branch _cannot be big_ by definition of the version schema"
>
> and to this I say: you are absolutely right
>
> but then you write:
> "_so_ using the word "upgrade" is not wrong."
>
> and to this I say: if the change is small it would rather be an "update", because "upgrade" generally applies to larger changes
Maybe because I see and understand it from the other side?
Also Wikipedia explains the difference between "update" and "upgrade" in
this direction (sorry, only in German):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upgrade#Unterschied_zwischen_Upgrade,_Update_und_Downgrade
But I don't claim that Wikipedia is always right. Nor my opitions.
Marcus
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:43 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>
> Am 11.11.20 um 14:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:51 AM
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
> >>
> >> Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
> >>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
> >>>>
> >>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open
> >> Source office
> >>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache
> >> OpenOffice 4.1.8,
> >>>> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
> >>>> [...]
> >>>
> >>> I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an
> >> update (and not an upgrade).
> >>> I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the
> >> announcement as well as in the release notes.
> >>
> >> a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
> >> definition of the version schema. So, so using the word
> >> "upgrade" is not
> >> wrong. This is my opinion.
> >>
> >> And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference
> >> of meaning
> >> between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
> >
> > Good release notes, as well as good documentation and much
> more are a necessary part of good software.
> > Why is it once again seemingly more important to reject
> criticism than to take it up and consider it for the future?
> >
> > I'm sorry Marcus, it's just this climate in the community
> that has kept me from working more intensively for a long time.
>
> I don't understand why you see here a bad climate.
I spoke of a climate that I do not like. And I did this because I see that criticism for improvement is too often understood as negative.
> I don't speak for all in the project.
Have you read what you write?
at first:
"a new release within the 4.1.x release branch _cannot be big_ by definition of the version schema"
and to this I say: you are absolutely right
but then you write:
"_so_ using the word "upgrade" is not wrong."
and to this I say: if the change is small it would rather be an "update", because "upgrade" generally applies to larger changes
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11.11.20 um 14:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:51 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>
>> Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>>>
>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open
>> Source office
>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache
>> OpenOffice 4.1.8,
>>>> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an
>> update (and not an upgrade).
>>> I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the
>> announcement as well as in the release notes.
>>
>> a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
>> definition of the version schema. So, so using the word
>> "upgrade" is not
>> wrong. This is my opinion.
>>
>> And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference
>> of meaning
>> between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
>
> Good release notes, as well as good documentation and much more are a necessary part of good software.
> Why is it once again seemingly more important to reject criticism than to take it up and consider it for the future?
>
> I'm sorry Marcus, it's just this climate in the community that has kept me from working more intensively for a long time.
I don't understand why you see here a bad climate.
It's just that I (as a single person!) don't share your opinion. Not
more and not less.
I don't speak for all in the project. So, when we all agree that the
wording shuld be improved, we can of course change it for the next release.
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:51 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>
> Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
> >>
> >> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open
> Source office
> >> document productivity suite, announced today Apache
> OpenOffice 4.1.8,
> >> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
> >> [...]
> >
> > I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an
> update (and not an upgrade).
> > I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the
> announcement as well as in the release notes.
>
> a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
> definition of the version schema. So, so using the word
> "upgrade" is not
> wrong. This is my opinion.
>
> And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference
> of meaning
> between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
Good release notes, as well as good documentation and much more are a necessary part of good software.
Why is it once again seemingly more important to reject criticism than to take it up and consider it for the future?
I'm sorry Marcus, it's just this climate in the community that has kept me from working more intensively for a long time.
> Feel free to use the respective wording in the German version. :-)
yes, I had already done that
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>>
>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8,
>> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>> [...]
>
> I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an update (and not an upgrade).
> I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the announcement as well as in the release notes.
a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
definition of the version schema. So, so using the word "upgrade" is not
wrong. This is my opinion.
And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference of meaning
between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
Feel free to use the respective wording in the German version. :-)
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hello,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmarcum@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
>
> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8,
> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
> [...]
I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an update (and not an upgrade).
I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the announcement as well as in the release notes.
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
Agreed they look wrong, but unsure if it is an issue w/ the packaging... let me look more.
> On Nov 12, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Peter Kovacs <pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>
> Jim , can you have a quick look at Issue 128413 [1]
>
> The user and group affiliations seem to be wrong.
>
> I am not sure what the best elegant way to fix this is.
>
> [1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128413
>
> Am 12.11.20 um 19:30 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> ++1!
>>
>> Onwards to 4.2.0 ;)
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>>
>>> Am 11.11.20 um 10:49 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Also from my side a big thank you to all who are involved and have
>>>> helped to make this release possible. :-)
>>> Yes, a big THANKS to "those who do".
>>>
>>> Every release is a big amount of work and it is always encouraging when
>>> people volunteer to help!
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 11.11.20 um 01:24 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>>>>> Dear OpenOffice Community,
>>>>>
>>>>> A great big Thank You to everyone who has helped, tested, coded,
>>>>> discussed or otherwise spent their precious time in making this
>>>>> release possible !
>>>>>
>>>>> We couldn't do this without you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please keep up the great work toward our next release!
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>> (on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/20 6:33 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
>>>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
>>>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>> 4.1.8, now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
Jim , can you have a quick look at Issue 128413 [1]
The user and group affiliations seem to be wrong.
I am not sure what the best elegant way to fix this is.
[1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128413
Am 12.11.20 um 19:30 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> ++1!
>
> Onwards to 4.2.0 ;)
>
>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>
>> Am 11.11.20 um 10:49 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Also from my side a big thank you to all who are involved and have
>>> helped to make this release possible. :-)
>> Yes, a big THANKS to "those who do".
>>
>> Every release is a big amount of work and it is always encouraging when
>> people volunteer to help!
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 11.11.20 um 01:24 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>>>> Dear OpenOffice Community,
>>>>
>>>> A great big Thank You to everyone who has helped, tested, coded,
>>>> discussed or otherwise spent their precious time in making this
>>>> release possible !
>>>>
>>>> We couldn't do this without you.
>>>>
>>>> Please keep up the great work toward our next release!
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>> (on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC)
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/20 6:33 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
>>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
>>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice
>>>>> 4.1.8, now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
AOO418-GA is tagged
> On Nov 16, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 12.11.20 um 19:30 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> ++1!
>>
>> Onwards to 4.2.0 ;)
>
> Yes, 4.2.0 should really be our next step.
>
> Can you create a Tag for 4.1.8, this would be the final action for 4.1.8...
>
> BTW: Today more than half a million downloads of AOO 4.1.8 since release!
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>>
>>> Am 11.11.20 um 10:49 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Also from my side a big thank you to all who are involved and have
>>>> helped to make this release possible. :-)
>>> Yes, a big THANKS to "those who do".
>>>
>>> Every release is a big amount of work and it is always encouraging when
>>> people volunteer to help!
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 11.11.20 um 01:24 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>>>>> Dear OpenOffice Community,
>>>>>
>>>>> A great big Thank You to everyone who has helped, tested, coded,
>>>>> discussed or otherwise spent their precious time in making this
>>>>> release possible !
>>>>>
>>>>> We couldn't do this without you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please keep up the great work toward our next release!
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>> (on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/20 6:33 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
>>>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
>>>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>> 4.1.8, now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Jim,
Am 12.11.20 um 19:30 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> ++1!
>
> Onwards to 4.2.0 ;)
Yes, 4.2.0 should really be our next step.
Can you create a Tag for 4.1.8, this would be the final action for 4.1.8...
BTW: Today more than half a million downloads of AOO 4.1.8 since release!
Regards,
Matthias
>
>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>
>> Am 11.11.20 um 10:49 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Also from my side a big thank you to all who are involved and have
>>> helped to make this release possible. :-)
>> Yes, a big THANKS to "those who do".
>>
>> Every release is a big amount of work and it is always encouraging when
>> people volunteer to help!
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 11.11.20 um 01:24 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>>>> Dear OpenOffice Community,
>>>>
>>>> A great big Thank You to everyone who has helped, tested, coded,
>>>> discussed or otherwise spent their precious time in making this
>>>> release possible !
>>>>
>>>> We couldn't do this without you.
>>>>
>>>> Please keep up the great work toward our next release!
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>> (on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC)
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/20 6:33 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
>>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
>>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice
>>>>> 4.1.8, now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
++1!
Onwards to 4.2.0 ;)
> On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcus, all,
>
> Am 11.11.20 um 10:49 schrieb Marcus:
>> Also from my side a big thank you to all who are involved and have
>> helped to make this release possible. :-)
>
> Yes, a big THANKS to "those who do".
>
> Every release is a big amount of work and it is always encouraging when
> people volunteer to help!
>
> Matthias
>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 11.11.20 um 01:24 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>>> Dear OpenOffice Community,
>>>
>>> A great big Thank You to everyone who has helped, tested, coded,
>>> discussed or otherwise spent their precious time in making this
>>> release possible !
>>>
>>> We couldn't do this without you.
>>>
>>> Please keep up the great work toward our next release!
>>>
>>> Carl
>>> (on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC)
>>>
>>> On 11/10/20 6:33 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
>>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
>>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice
>>>> 4.1.8, now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Marcus, all,
Am 11.11.20 um 10:49 schrieb Marcus:
> Also from my side a big thank you to all who are involved and have
> helped to make this release possible. :-)
Yes, a big THANKS to "those who do".
Every release is a big amount of work and it is always encouraging when
people volunteer to help!
Matthias
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 11.11.20 um 01:24 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>> Dear OpenOffice Community,
>>
>> A great big Thank You to everyone who has helped, tested, coded,
>> discussed or otherwise spent their precious time in making this
>> release possible !
>>
>> We couldn't do this without you.
>>
>> Please keep up the great work toward our next release!
>>
>> Carl
>> (on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC)
>>
>> On 11/10/20 6:33 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
>>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
>>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice
>>> 4.1.8, now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>>
>>> [...]
>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Also from my side a big thank you to all who are involved and have
helped to make this release possible. :-)
Marcus
Am 11.11.20 um 01:24 schrieb Carl Marcum:
> Dear OpenOffice Community,
>
> A great big Thank You to everyone who has helped, tested, coded,
> discussed or otherwise spent their precious time in making this release
> possible !
>
> We couldn't do this without you.
>
> Please keep up the great work toward our next release!
>
> Carl
> (on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC)
>
> On 11/10/20 6:33 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
>> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
>> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8,
>> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>>
>> [...]
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
Posted by Carl Marcum <cm...@apache.org>.
Dear OpenOffice Community,
A great big Thank You to everyone who has helped, tested, coded,
discussed or otherwise spent their precious time in making this release
possible !
We couldn't do this without you.
Please keep up the great work toward our next release!
Carl
(on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC)
On 11/10/20 6:33 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
> 10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open Source office
> document productivity suite, announced today Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8,
> now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>
> Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 is a maintenance release aimed at correcting
> some regressions and delivering the latest English dictionary. All
> users of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.7 or earlier are advised to upgrade.
>
> For the complete overview see the list in Bugzilla:
> https://s.apache.org/AOO-418changes
>
> Full version of this announcement:
> https://s.apache.org/AOO-418announcement
>
> Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 Release Notes:
> https://s.apache.org/AOO-418releasenotes
>
> Download Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 from the original source only:
> https://www.openoffice.org/download/
>
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