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Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
Regarding Trevor's question:
> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop after
> this?
From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to keep up
with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the platforms
we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on emulators
on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions up to
and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a cordova
dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I don't
have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon + Joe.
Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I suggest
that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk up
for the next cordova-android major release?
[1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+App+Testing
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that had its
> first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old), especially
> considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
>
> Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before 4.4. Less
> than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and less than
> 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
>
> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop after
> this?
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <si...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I would happily drop support for anything less than API level 19 in the
> next cordova-android major release.
>
>
> Simon Mac Donald
> http://simonmacdonald.com
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
>> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > +1
>> > Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought we were
>> > already there.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > @purplecabbage
>> > risingj.com
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey
>> >>
>> >> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I know a lot
>> of
>> >> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside. Normally, for us
>> to
>> >> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes below 10%,
>> but
>> >> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and since two
>> of
>> >> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by the wayside
>> and
>> >> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API level 19.
>> >>
>> >> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people were super
>> >> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my Android 4.1
>> >> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became Adobe,
>> and it
>> >> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really starting to
>> >> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Joe
>> >>
>>
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Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Posted by Simon MacDonald <si...@gmail.com>.
Created an issue to track this
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-12914
Simon Mac Donald
http://simonmacdonald.com
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Simon MacDonald <si...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Right so we still with dropping JB for now. Support API levels 19-26 for
> Cordova-Android 7.0.0
>
> Simon Mac Donald
> http://simonmacdonald.com
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem is that Kitkat is still 18.1% of the current devices out
>> there,
>> which includes all the failed experiment devices that Google had released.
>> That would be dropping a lot of things by the wayside.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Simon MacDonald <
>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > +1 from me as well.
>> >
>> > If we can move to Android 5.0 (API 21) and later that would be a huge
>> win
>> > as all of those devices can use the Android System WebView
>> > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
>> > google.android.webview&hl=en>
>> > which
>> > gives us a more consistent target.
>> >
>> > Simon Mac Donald
>> > http://simonmacdonald.com
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ~ Kerri
>> > >
>> > > > On Jun 12, 2017, at 13:22, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > +1 makes sense to me. Ensuring testability and not making heroic
>> > measures
>> > > > to continue support an old OS is a good reason to me.
>> > > >
>> > > > TrevorBrindle
>> > > > Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
>> > > > SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
>> > > > C: (407) 450-8700
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> +1
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
>> > > >> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop
>> it.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> 2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Regarding Trevor's question:
>> > > >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by
>> > dropping
>> > > >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can
>> drop
>> > > >> after
>> > > >>>>> this?
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to
>> keep
>> > up
>> > > >>>> with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the
>> platforms
>> > > >>>> we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on
>> > emulators
>> > > >>>> on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions
>> up to
>> > > >>>> and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a
>> cordova
>> > > >>>> dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I
>> > don't
>> > > >>>> have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon +
>> Joe.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I
>> > suggest
>> > > >>>> that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk
>> up
>> > > >>>> for the next cordova-android major release?
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
>> > > >>>> for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+
>> > App+Testing
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <
>> > tabrindle@gmail.com>
>> > > >>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that
>> had
>> > > >> its
>> > > >>>>> first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old),
>> > especially
>> > > >>>>> considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before
>> 4.4.
>> > > >>> Less
>> > > >>>>> than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and
>> > less
>> > > >>> than
>> > > >>>>> 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by
>> > dropping
>> > > >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can
>> drop
>> > > >> after
>> > > >>>>> this?
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
>> > > >>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
>> > > >>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I would happily drop support for anything less than API level
>> 19 in
>> > > >> the
>> > > >>>>> next cordova-android major release.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>> > > >>>>> http://simonmacdonald.com
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
>> > > >>>>>> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <
>> purplecabbage@gmail.com>
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>> +1
>> > > >>>>>>> Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought
>> we
>> > > >>> were
>> > > >>>>>>> already there.
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> @purplecabbage
>> > > >>>>>>> risingj.com
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <
>> bowserj@gmail.com>
>> > > >>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Hey
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I
>> > > >> know a
>> > > >>>> lot
>> > > >>>>>> of
>> > > >>>>>>>> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside.
>> Normally,
>> > > >> for
>> > > >>>> us
>> > > >>>>>> to
>> > > >>>>>>>> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes
>> below
>> > > >>> 10%,
>> > > >>>>>> but
>> > > >>>>>>>> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and
>> > > >> since
>> > > >>>> two
>> > > >>>>>> of
>> > > >>>>>>>> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by
>> the
>> > > >>>> wayside
>> > > >>>>>> and
>> > > >>>>>>>> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API
>> > > >> level
>> > > >>>> 19.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people
>> were
>> > > >>> super
>> > > >>>>>>>> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my
>> > Android
>> > > >>> 4.1
>> > > >>>>>>>> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became
>> > > >>> Adobe,
>> > > >>>>>> and it
>> > > >>>>>>>> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really
>> > > >>> starting
>> > > >>>> to
>> > > >>>>>>>> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Joe
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > >> ---------
>> > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>> > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> --
>> > > >>>>> TrevorBrindle
>> > > >>>>> Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
>> > > >>>>> SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
>> > > >>>>> C: (407) 450-8700
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> > ---------
>> > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>> > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Posted by Simon MacDonald <si...@gmail.com>.
Right so we still with dropping JB for now. Support API levels 19-26 for
Cordova-Android 7.0.0
Simon Mac Donald
http://simonmacdonald.com
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem is that Kitkat is still 18.1% of the current devices out there,
> which includes all the failed experiment devices that Google had released.
> That would be dropping a lot of things by the wayside.
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Simon MacDonald <
> simon.macdonald@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > +1 from me as well.
> >
> > If we can move to Android 5.0 (API 21) and later that would be a huge win
> > as all of those devices can use the Android System WebView
> > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
> > google.android.webview&hl=en>
> > which
> > gives us a more consistent target.
> >
> > Simon Mac Donald
> > http://simonmacdonald.com
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > ~ Kerri
> > >
> > > > On Jun 12, 2017, at 13:22, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +1 makes sense to me. Ensuring testability and not making heroic
> > measures
> > > > to continue support an old OS is a good reason to me.
> > > >
> > > > TrevorBrindle
> > > > Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> > > > SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> > > > C: (407) 450-8700
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> +1
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
> > > >> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop
> it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regarding Trevor's question:
> > > >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by
> > dropping
> > > >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
> > > >> after
> > > >>>>> this?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to
> keep
> > up
> > > >>>> with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the
> platforms
> > > >>>> we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on
> > emulators
> > > >>>> on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions up
> to
> > > >>>> and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a
> cordova
> > > >>>> dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I
> > don't
> > > >>>> have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon +
> Joe.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I
> > suggest
> > > >>>> that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk
> up
> > > >>>> for the next cordova-android major release?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
> > > >>>> for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+
> > App+Testing
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <
> > tabrindle@gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that
> had
> > > >> its
> > > >>>>> first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old),
> > especially
> > > >>>>> considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before
> 4.4.
> > > >>> Less
> > > >>>>> than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and
> > less
> > > >>> than
> > > >>>>> 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by
> > dropping
> > > >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
> > > >> after
> > > >>>>> this?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
> > > >>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I would happily drop support for anything less than API level 19
> in
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>> next cordova-android major release.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Simon Mac Donald
> > > >>>>> http://simonmacdonald.com
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
> > > >>>>>> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com
> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> +1
> > > >>>>>>> Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought
> we
> > > >>> were
> > > >>>>>>> already there.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> > > >>>>>>> risingj.com
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <
> bowserj@gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Hey
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I
> > > >> know a
> > > >>>> lot
> > > >>>>>> of
> > > >>>>>>>> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside.
> Normally,
> > > >> for
> > > >>>> us
> > > >>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes
> below
> > > >>> 10%,
> > > >>>>>> but
> > > >>>>>>>> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and
> > > >> since
> > > >>>> two
> > > >>>>>> of
> > > >>>>>>>> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by
> the
> > > >>>> wayside
> > > >>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API
> > > >> level
> > > >>>> 19.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people
> were
> > > >>> super
> > > >>>>>>>> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my
> > Android
> > > >>> 4.1
> > > >>>>>>>> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became
> > > >>> Adobe,
> > > >>>>>> and it
> > > >>>>>>>> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really
> > > >>> starting
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Joe
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> ---------
> > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> TrevorBrindle
> > > >>>>> Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> > > >>>>> SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> > > >>>>> C: (407) 450-8700
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------
> > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.
The problem is that Kitkat is still 18.1% of the current devices out there,
which includes all the failed experiment devices that Google had released.
That would be dropping a lot of things by the wayside.
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Simon MacDonald <simon.macdonald@gmail.com
> wrote:
> +1 from me as well.
>
> If we can move to Android 5.0 (API 21) and later that would be a huge win
> as all of those devices can use the Android System WebView
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
> google.android.webview&hl=en>
> which
> gives us a more consistent target.
>
> Simon Mac Donald
> http://simonmacdonald.com
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > ~ Kerri
> >
> > > On Jun 12, 2017, at 13:22, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 makes sense to me. Ensuring testability and not making heroic
> measures
> > > to continue support an old OS is a good reason to me.
> > >
> > > TrevorBrindle
> > > Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> > > SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> > > C: (407) 450-8700
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
> > >> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regarding Trevor's question:
> > >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by
> dropping
> > >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
> > >> after
> > >>>>> this?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to keep
> up
> > >>>> with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the platforms
> > >>>> we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on
> emulators
> > >>>> on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions up to
> > >>>> and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a cordova
> > >>>> dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I
> don't
> > >>>> have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon + Joe.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I
> suggest
> > >>>> that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk up
> > >>>> for the next cordova-android major release?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
> > >>>> for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+
> App+Testing
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <
> tabrindle@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that had
> > >> its
> > >>>>> first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old),
> especially
> > >>>>> considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before 4.4.
> > >>> Less
> > >>>>> than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and
> less
> > >>> than
> > >>>>> 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by
> dropping
> > >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
> > >> after
> > >>>>> this?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
> > >>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I would happily drop support for anything less than API level 19 in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> next cordova-android major release.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Simon Mac Donald
> > >>>>> http://simonmacdonald.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
> > >>>>>> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> +1
> > >>>>>>> Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought we
> > >>> were
> > >>>>>>> already there.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >>>>>>> risingj.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hey
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I
> > >> know a
> > >>>> lot
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside. Normally,
> > >> for
> > >>>> us
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes below
> > >>> 10%,
> > >>>>>> but
> > >>>>>>>> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and
> > >> since
> > >>>> two
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by the
> > >>>> wayside
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API
> > >> level
> > >>>> 19.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people were
> > >>> super
> > >>>>>>>> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my
> Android
> > >>> 4.1
> > >>>>>>>> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became
> > >>> Adobe,
> > >>>>>> and it
> > >>>>>>>> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really
> > >>> starting
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Joe
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> ---------
> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> TrevorBrindle
> > >>>>> Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> > >>>>> SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> > >>>>> C: (407) 450-8700
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Posted by Simon MacDonald <si...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me as well.
If we can move to Android 5.0 (API 21) and later that would be a huge win
as all of those devices can use the Android System WebView
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.webview&hl=en>
which
gives us a more consistent target.
Simon Mac Donald
http://simonmacdonald.com
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
>
> ~ Kerri
>
> > On Jun 12, 2017, at 13:22, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 makes sense to me. Ensuring testability and not making heroic measures
> > to continue support an old OS is a good reason to me.
> >
> > TrevorBrindle
> > Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> > SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> > C: (407) 450-8700
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> +1
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
> >> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regarding Trevor's question:
> >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
> >> after
> >>>>> this?
> >>>>
> >>>> From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to keep up
> >>>> with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the platforms
> >>>> we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on emulators
> >>>> on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions up to
> >>>> and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a cordova
> >>>> dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I don't
> >>>> have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon + Joe.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I suggest
> >>>> that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk up
> >>>> for the next cordova-android major release?
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
> >>>> for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+App+Testing
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that had
> >> its
> >>>>> first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old), especially
> >>>>> considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before 4.4.
> >>> Less
> >>>>> than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and less
> >>> than
> >>>>> 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> >>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
> >> after
> >>>>> this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
> >>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would happily drop support for anything less than API level 19 in
> >> the
> >>>>> next cordova-android major release.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Simon Mac Donald
> >>>>> http://simonmacdonald.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
> >>>>>> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>> Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought we
> >>> were
> >>>>>>> already there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>>>> risingj.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I
> >> know a
> >>>> lot
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside. Normally,
> >> for
> >>>> us
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes below
> >>> 10%,
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and
> >> since
> >>>> two
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by the
> >>>> wayside
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API
> >> level
> >>>> 19.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people were
> >>> super
> >>>>>>>> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my Android
> >>> 4.1
> >>>>>>>> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became
> >>> Adobe,
> >>>>>> and it
> >>>>>>>> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really
> >>> starting
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Joe
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >> ---------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> TrevorBrindle
> >>>>> Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> >>>>> SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> >>>>> C: (407) 450-8700
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Posted by Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>.
+1
~ Kerri
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 13:22, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 makes sense to me. Ensuring testability and not making heroic measures
> to continue support an old OS is a good reason to me.
>
> TrevorBrindle
> Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> C: (407) 450-8700
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
>> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop it.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding Trevor's question:
>>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
>>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
>> after
>>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to keep up
>>>> with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the platforms
>>>> we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on emulators
>>>> on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions up to
>>>> and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a cordova
>>>> dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I don't
>>>> have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon + Joe.
>>>>
>>>> Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I suggest
>>>> that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk up
>>>> for the next cordova-android major release?
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
>>>> for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+App+Testing
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that had
>> its
>>>>> first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old), especially
>>>>> considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before 4.4.
>>> Less
>>>>> than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and less
>>> than
>>>>> 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
>>>>> official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
>> after
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
>>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would happily drop support for anything less than API level 19 in
>> the
>>>>> next cordova-android major release.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>>>>> http://simonmacdonald.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
>>>>>> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>> Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought we
>>> were
>>>>>>> already there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @purplecabbage
>>>>>>> risingj.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I
>> know a
>>>> lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside. Normally,
>> for
>>>> us
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes below
>>> 10%,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and
>> since
>>>> two
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by the
>>>> wayside
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API
>> level
>>>> 19.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people were
>>> super
>>>>>>>> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my Android
>>> 4.1
>>>>>>>> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became
>>> Adobe,
>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>>> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really
>>> starting
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> TrevorBrindle
>>>>> Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
>>>>> SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
>>>>> C: (407) 450-8700
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Posted by Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com>.
+1 makes sense to me. Ensuring testability and not making heroic measures
to continue support an old OS is a good reason to me.
TrevorBrindle
Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
C: (407) 450-8700
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop it.
> >
> >
> > 2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
> > >
> > > Regarding Trevor's question:
> > > > Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> > > > official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
> after
> > > > this?
> > >
> > > From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to keep up
> > > with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the platforms
> > > we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on emulators
> > > on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions up to
> > > and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a cordova
> > > dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I don't
> > > have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
> > >
> > > Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon + Joe.
> > >
> > > Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I suggest
> > > that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk up
> > > for the next cordova-android major release?
> > >
> > > [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
> > > for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+App+Testing
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that had
> its
> > > > first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old), especially
> > > > considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
> > > >
> > > > Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before 4.4.
> > Less
> > > > than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and less
> > than
> > > > 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
> > > >
> > > > Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> > > > official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop
> after
> > > > this?
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
> > > simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would happily drop support for anything less than API level 19 in
> the
> > > > next cordova-android major release.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Simon Mac Donald
> > > > http://simonmacdonald.com
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
> > > >> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> > +1
> > > >> > Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought we
> > were
> > > >> > already there.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > @purplecabbage
> > > >> > risingj.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Hey
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I
> know a
> > > lot
> > > >> of
> > > >> >> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside. Normally,
> for
> > > us
> > > >> to
> > > >> >> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes below
> > 10%,
> > > >> but
> > > >> >> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and
> since
> > > two
> > > >> of
> > > >> >> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by the
> > > wayside
> > > >> and
> > > >> >> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API
> level
> > > 19.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people were
> > super
> > > >> >> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my Android
> > 4.1
> > > >> >> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became
> > Adobe,
> > > >> and it
> > > >> >> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really
> > starting
> > > to
> > > >> >> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thoughts?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Joe
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > TrevorBrindle
> > > > Lead Hybrid Mobile Engineer
> > > > SHOP•COM powered by marketamerica
> > > > C: (407) 450-8700
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, julio cesar sanchez <jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop it.
>
>
> 2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
> >
> > Regarding Trevor's question:
> > > Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> > > official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop after
> > > this?
> >
> > From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to keep up
> > with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the platforms
> > we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on emulators
> > on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions up to
> > and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a cordova
> > dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I don't
> > have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
> >
> > Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon + Joe.
> >
> > Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I suggest
> > that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk up
> > for the next cordova-android major release?
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
> > for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+App+Testing
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that had its
> > > first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old), especially
> > > considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
> > >
> > > Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before 4.4.
> Less
> > > than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and less
> than
> > > 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
> > >
> > > Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> > > official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop after
> > > this?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
> > simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I would happily drop support for anything less than API level 19 in the
> > > next cordova-android major release.
> > >
> > >
> > > Simon Mac Donald
> > > http://simonmacdonald.com
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
> > >> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> > +1
> > >> > Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought we
> were
> > >> > already there.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > @purplecabbage
> > >> > risingj.com
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hey
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I know a
> > lot
> > >> of
> > >> >> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside. Normally, for
> > us
> > >> to
> > >> >> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes below
> 10%,
> > >> but
> > >> >> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and since
> > two
> > >> of
> > >> >> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by the
> > wayside
> > >> and
> > >> >> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API level
> > 19.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people were
> super
> > >> >> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my Android
> 4.1
> > >> >> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became
> Adobe,
> > >> and it
> > >> >> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really
> starting
> > to
> > >> >> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thoughts?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Joe
> > >> >>
> > >>
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Re: [Android] Let's drop support for Jellybean
Posted by julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>.
Currently, Jellybean is 8.8%, so it's bellow the 10%. We can drop it.
2017-06-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com>:
> Reviving this thread! Sorry for the late reply.
>
> Regarding Trevor's question:
> > Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> > official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop after
> > this?
>
> From a testing/CI perspective, it becomes much more tenable to keep up
> with pull requests and ensure changes are validated on the platforms
> we support. We currently leverage Sauce Labs to run tests on emulators
> on Android, and Sauce dropped support for all Android versions up to
> and including 4.3 [1]. So, from a selfish perspective, as a cordova
> dev, dropping 4.3 and below support makes _my_ life easier as I don't
> have to manually test on earlier versions of Android.
>
> Not sure if there are other, less-selfish reasons? Ping Simon + Joe.
>
> Also, instead of letting this thread die a quiet death, may I suggest
> that whatever decision is made here, we file as issues and chalk up
> for the next cordova-android major release?
>
> [1] https://wiki.saucelabs.com/display/DOCS/2017/03/30/EOL+
> for+Android+4.0%2C+4.1%2C+4.2%2C+and+4.3+Automated+Mobile+App+Testing
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Trevor Brindle <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I don't think it is unreasonable to drop support for an OS that had its
> > first release in July of 2012 (4.1 is almost 5 years old), especially
> > considering the Cordova support policy for iOS.
> >
> > Realistically, I think it's hard to justify support for before 4.4. Less
> > than 10% of our customers are on 4.4 or earlier as a whole, and less than
> > 10% of them actually use our apps regularly.
> >
> > Just for consideration however, what do we actually gain by dropping
> > official support? Are there compat libraries or tests we can drop after
> > this?
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM Simon MacDonald <
> simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I would happily drop support for anything less than API level 19 in the
> > next cordova-android major release.
> >
> >
> > Simon Mac Donald
> > http://simonmacdonald.com
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Filip Maj <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As much as I personally would like to do so, I wonder what the
> >> reaction among consumers of cordova would be.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > +1
> >> > Our CI tests only test as far back as 4.4, so maybe I thought we were
> >> > already there.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > @purplecabbage
> >> > risingj.com
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hey
> >> >>
> >> >> Even though everything appears to be working on Jellybean, I know a
> lot
> >> of
> >> >> people have been wanting to throw it to the wayside. Normally, for
> us
> >> to
> >> >> drop support for a platform, we have to wait unitl it goes below 10%,
> >> but
> >> >> since Jellybean consists of three different API versions, and since
> two
> >> of
> >> >> those are below the 5% mark, I'm tempted to just toss it by the
> wayside
> >> and
> >> >> set the minimum supported version of Android to 4.4.x, or API level
> 19.
> >> >>
> >> >> How do people feel about that. I know in the past, people were super
> >> >> passionate about supporting everything, but given that my Android 4.1
> >> >> device is an old Nitobi device obtained before we even became Adobe,
> >> and it
> >> >> took five tries to get it to cooperate with adb, I'm really starting
> to
> >> >> think it's time we dropped Jellybean.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thoughts?
> >> >>
> >> >> Joe
> >> >>
> >>
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