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give your views
Hi,
Is there any difference between a soap service and
web service . Do they mean the same.
Thanks,
sunil.
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From: Sunil Singh [mailto:sunil@fast.fujitsu.com.au]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:45 AM
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RE: give your views
Posted by Steve Parker <st...@naweb.com>.
it's a classic case of industry buzzwords. the best approach is to have
people give their definition of the term before assuming anything.
EAI is another... app integration could be done any number of ways, but EAI
usually implies that you use an integration broker middleware
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:23:03 -0700, Mike Oliver wrote
> Ben is exactly right, and big companies use marketing hype to blur
> the use of the terms, everyone from Adobe to Oracle have stated they
> use/have "Web Services" and they aren't necessarily talking about SOAP.
>
> Michael Oliver
> AppsAsPeers LLC
> 7391 S. Bullrider Ave.
> Tucson, AZ 85747
> Phone:(520)574-1150
> Fax:(520)844-1036
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:btomasini@neteverything.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:44 PM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: give your views
>
> In the broadest sense of the term, any process that serves HTTP content
> is a web service.
>
> SOAP is a subset.
>
> However, the highly charged term "Web Services" generally refers to a
> more structured communication using XML, and protocols such as SOAP,
> XML-RPC, WSDL, etc ....
>
> Ben Tomasini
>
> On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:13, Sunil Singh wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Is there any difference between a soap service and
> > web service . Do they mean the same.
> > Thanks,
> > sunil.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sunil Singh [mailto:sunil@fast.fujitsu.com.au]
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:45 AM
> > To:
> >
> axis-user-sc.1043301634.iogiedpbpmnemocogcpg-sunil=fast.fujitsu.com.au@x
> > ml.apache.org
> > Cc: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> > Subject: signoff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
RE: give your views
Posted by Mike Oliver <ol...@appsaspeers.com>.
Ben is exactly right, and big companies use marketing hype to blur the
use of the terms, everyone from Adobe to Oracle have stated they
use/have "Web Services" and they aren't necessarily talking about SOAP.
Michael Oliver
AppsAsPeers LLC
7391 S. Bullrider Ave.
Tucson, AZ 85747
Phone:(520)574-1150
Fax:(520)844-1036
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:btomasini@neteverything.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:44 PM
To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: give your views
In the broadest sense of the term, any process that serves HTTP content
is a web service.
SOAP is a subset.
However, the highly charged term "Web Services" generally refers to a
more structured communication using XML, and protocols such as SOAP,
XML-RPC, WSDL, etc ....
Ben Tomasini
On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:13, Sunil Singh wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there any difference between a soap service and
> web service . Do they mean the same.
> Thanks,
> sunil.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sunil Singh [mailto:sunil@fast.fujitsu.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:45 AM
> To:
>
axis-user-sc.1043301634.iogiedpbpmnemocogcpg-sunil=fast.fujitsu.com.au@x
> ml.apache.org
> Cc: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: signoff
>
>
>
>
>
Re: give your views
Posted by Benjamin Tomasini <bt...@neteverything.com>.
In the broadest sense of the term, any process that serves HTTP content
is a web service.
SOAP is a subset.
However, the highly charged term "Web Services" generally refers to a
more structured communication using XML, and protocols such as SOAP,
XML-RPC, WSDL, etc ....
Ben Tomasini
On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:13, Sunil Singh wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there any difference between a soap service and
> web service . Do they mean the same.
> Thanks,
> sunil.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sunil Singh [mailto:sunil@fast.fujitsu.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:45 AM
> To:
> axis-user-sc.1043301634.iogiedpbpmnemocogcpg-sunil=fast.fujitsu.com.au@x
> ml.apache.org
> Cc: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: signoff
>
>
>
>
>
RE: give your views
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <an...@manes.net>.
Back to the original question:
You can build a Web service using any of a variety of XML protocols, such as
SOAP, ebXML, XML-RPC, RosettaNet, or some proprietary protocol (e.g., UPS
offers a web service interface to UPS online based on a unique XML protocol
defined by UPS).
A SOAP service is a web service built using a specific XML protocol: SOAP.
Anne
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Tomasini [mailto:btomasini@neteverything.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:44 PM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: give your views
>
>
> Agreed,
>
> In the real world, XML is probably the common denominator for a "Web
> Service". That is what provides the interoperability. If I advertised
> a CGI counter script as a web service, I would get some funny looks. :)
>
> Ben
>
> On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 19:08, Dennis Sosnoski wrote:
> > That particular definition makes every application accessed via the net
> > a web service, including web servers, CGI counter scripts, etc.
> Although
> > it may be the author's opinion, it's hardly an authoritative
> definition.
> > I think most people in the industry would at least require that
> > something be based on XML document exchange in order to be
> called a "web
> > service".
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> > Benjamin Tomasini wrote:
> >
> > >Correction .... for a broader def of the term.
> > >
> > >To quote from O'Reily "Programming Web Services with SOAP"....
> > >
> > >page 1
> > >
> > >***
> > >Before we go any further, let's define the basic concept of a "web
> > >service". A web service is a network accessible interface to
> > >application functionality, built using standard Internet technologies.
> > >
> > >In other words, if an application can be accessed over a
> network using a
> > >combination of protocols like HTTP, XML, SMTP, or Jabber, then it is a
> > >web service. Despite all the media hype around web services, it is
> > >really that simple.
> > >
> > >Web services are nothing new. Rather, they represent the evolution of
> > >principles that have guided the Internet for years
> > >***
> > >
> > >On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:13, Sunil Singh wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hi,
> > >>Is there any difference between a soap service and
> > >>web service . Do they mean the same.
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>sunil.
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Sunil Singh [mailto:sunil@fast.fujitsu.com.au]
> > >>Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:45 AM
> > >>To:
> >
> >>axis-user-sc.1043301634.iogiedpbpmnemocogcpg-sunil=fast.fujitsu.com.au@x
> > >>ml.apache.org
> > >>Cc: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> > >>Subject: signoff
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Re: give your views
Posted by Benjamin Tomasini <bt...@neteverything.com>.
Agreed,
In the real world, XML is probably the common denominator for a "Web
Service". That is what provides the interoperability. If I advertised
a CGI counter script as a web service, I would get some funny looks. :)
Ben
On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 19:08, Dennis Sosnoski wrote:
> That particular definition makes every application accessed via the net
> a web service, including web servers, CGI counter scripts, etc. Although
> it may be the author's opinion, it's hardly an authoritative definition.
> I think most people in the industry would at least require that
> something be based on XML document exchange in order to be called a "web
> service".
>
> - Dennis
>
> Benjamin Tomasini wrote:
>
> >Correction .... for a broader def of the term.
> >
> >To quote from O'Reily "Programming Web Services with SOAP"....
> >
> >page 1
> >
> >***
> >Before we go any further, let's define the basic concept of a "web
> >service". A web service is a network accessible interface to
> >application functionality, built using standard Internet technologies.
> >
> >In other words, if an application can be accessed over a network using a
> >combination of protocols like HTTP, XML, SMTP, or Jabber, then it is a
> >web service. Despite all the media hype around web services, it is
> >really that simple.
> >
> >Web services are nothing new. Rather, they represent the evolution of
> >principles that have guided the Internet for years
> >***
> >
> >On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:13, Sunil Singh wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>Is there any difference between a soap service and
> >>web service . Do they mean the same.
> >>Thanks,
> >>sunil.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Sunil Singh [mailto:sunil@fast.fujitsu.com.au]
> >>Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:45 AM
> >>To:
> >>axis-user-sc.1043301634.iogiedpbpmnemocogcpg-sunil=fast.fujitsu.com.au@x
> >>ml.apache.org
> >>Cc: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> >>Subject: signoff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: give your views
Posted by Dennis Sosnoski <dm...@sosnoski.com>.
That particular definition makes every application accessed via the net
a web service, including web servers, CGI counter scripts, etc. Although
it may be the author's opinion, it's hardly an authoritative definition.
I think most people in the industry would at least require that
something be based on XML document exchange in order to be called a "web
service".
- Dennis
Benjamin Tomasini wrote:
>Correction .... for a broader def of the term.
>
>To quote from O'Reily "Programming Web Services with SOAP"....
>
>page 1
>
>***
>Before we go any further, let's define the basic concept of a "web
>service". A web service is a network accessible interface to
>application functionality, built using standard Internet technologies.
>
>In other words, if an application can be accessed over a network using a
>combination of protocols like HTTP, XML, SMTP, or Jabber, then it is a
>web service. Despite all the media hype around web services, it is
>really that simple.
>
>Web services are nothing new. Rather, they represent the evolution of
>principles that have guided the Internet for years
>***
>
>On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:13, Sunil Singh wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>Is there any difference between a soap service and
>>web service . Do they mean the same.
>>Thanks,
>>sunil.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Sunil Singh [mailto:sunil@fast.fujitsu.com.au]
>>Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:45 AM
>>To:
>>axis-user-sc.1043301634.iogiedpbpmnemocogcpg-sunil=fast.fujitsu.com.au@x
>>ml.apache.org
>>Cc: axis-user@xml.apache.org
>>Subject: signoff
>>
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Re: give your views
Posted by Benjamin Tomasini <bt...@neteverything.com>.
Correction .... for a broader def of the term.
To quote from O'Reily "Programming Web Services with SOAP"....
page 1
***
Before we go any further, let's define the basic concept of a "web
service". A web service is a network accessible interface to
application functionality, built using standard Internet technologies.
In other words, if an application can be accessed over a network using a
combination of protocols like HTTP, XML, SMTP, or Jabber, then it is a
web service. Despite all the media hype around web services, it is
really that simple.
Web services are nothing new. Rather, they represent the evolution of
principles that have guided the Internet for years
***
On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:13, Sunil Singh wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there any difference between a soap service and
> web service . Do they mean the same.
> Thanks,
> sunil.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sunil Singh [mailto:sunil@fast.fujitsu.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:45 AM
> To:
> axis-user-sc.1043301634.iogiedpbpmnemocogcpg-sunil=fast.fujitsu.com.au@x
> ml.apache.org
> Cc: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: signoff
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