Graduation?

[Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu>]

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The following discussion was started by Matt Hogstrom (one of our mentors) on 
the vcl-private list (list for PPMC members) about the possibility of VCL 
graduating to a top level project.  We decided the discussion should really 
take place on this list instead.  I've somewhat reformatted it to have it all 
included and a little easier to read.  In the thread, there is reference to a 
previous discussion that took place on the vcl-private list (that could have 
been moved to this list as well) about removing people from the initial 
committers list that had not contributed any code or documentation.

Josh

>>>> On 3/14/11 11:29 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>> I think its time to start talking about graduation for VCL.  Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote:
>>> I'm ready :)
>>> 
>>> We had mentioned cleaning up the committer list.
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/vcl.html
>>> 
>>> Is this desired or required by you guys (the mentors) before graduation?
>>> 
>>> Aaron
>>>
>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>> I'd do that as part of graduation.  Look for people that have never
>> committed.  If they never have I don't think it makes sense to take them
>> forward.  Review the process for graduation and you have my vote to start
>> moving forward.
>> 
>> Kevan, Alan ?
>>
>> Matt
>>
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> Yes. That can certainly be addressed along with graduation. I wasn't
> entirely >happy with that discussion thread -- was hoping that you or Alan
> might have >read/commented on the thread, also...
>
> I'd really, really like to see this discussion on vcl-dev@. 
>
> A few general thoughts/questions:
> * what are the affiliations for the current set of active committers?
> * the community has added one new committer in the 2 1/2 years in the 
>   incubator?
> * in general, I've been encouraged by the increase in community activity
>  (users and development) going on...
> * although I am encouraged, I am not entirely convinced that the community
>   is ready for graduation...
>
> --kevan
>
On Tuesday March 15, 2011, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
This reflects my sentiments as well.

Alan

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Re: Graduation?

[Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu>]

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> > On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> > A few general thoughts/questions:
> > * what are the affiliations for the current set of active committers?

David Hutchins - Norfolk State Univ.
Andy Kurth - NCSU
Aaron Peeler - NCSU
Josh Thompson - NCSU

> > * the community has added one new committer in the 2 1/2 years in the
> >   incubator?

Yes - We've had several other people express interest, but haven't had anyone 
else provide enough code or documentation contributions to be able to 
adequately review them as new committers.

> > * in general, I've been encouraged by the increase in community activity
> >   (users and development) going on...

Agreed - I find this very encouraging and exciting.  Hopefully, it will lead 
to more contributors.

> > * although I am encouraged, I am not entirely convinced that the
> >   community is ready for graduation...

This page lists the requirements to graduate:

http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements

Of those, we're good on the legal and infrastructure sections.  For 
alignment/synergy, we're not using any other ASF projects.  I'm not really 
sure why that is required.  There are several items under 
meritocracy/community that we have not fulfilled:

* Demonstrate an active and diverse development community 

We're definitely active, just not very diverse.

* The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at 
least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or 
entity that is vital to the success of the project)

This is the one I have seen as our biggest hurdle from the beginning of our 
move to ASF.  Until David Hutchins was added as a committer, all committers 
were legally related (employed by NCSU).  I think we will eventually get 
there, but it may take a (possibly long) while.  I think it will take some of 
the other universities that are adopting VCL to be willing to commit part of 
an employee's time to development of VCL.

* Demonstrate ability to tolerate and resolve conflict within the community.

We haven't had much in the way of conflicts to address; so, this one may not 
matter much.

* Engagement by the incubated community with the other ASF communities, 
particularly infrastructure@

Any ideas on steps we can take toward fulfilling this one?

Josh
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