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Posted to dev@esme.apache.org by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com> on 2009/03/16 11:15:48 UTC
Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ...i'll be at ApacheConEU. the
>>> FastFeather track is a good way to attract interest within Apache -
>>> the crowds are small but influential. i think we could pull together a
>>> talk which either myself or Bertrand could give....
>
> Got the answer ApacheCon Planners: the FastFeather track as we know it
> is not happening this year in Amsterdam, but the place for last-minute
> talks is the BarCamp (http://barcamp.org/BarCampApache) which is
> colocated with ApacheCon, Tuesday March 23rd.
>
> I won't be there unfortunately, arriving in Amsterdam Tuesday evening
> only due to other commitments.
i'll be there, and also at BarCampApacheOxford a week or so later. if
the community thinks that it's worthwhile and could find time to help
me write something over the next week or so, then i'd be happy to talk
about Esme.
opinions?
if we want to give this a try, i prefer to use S5 which is based on
HTML, CSS and JavaScript. being text, it plays well with version
control systems. this makes it easier to collaborate on presentations.
it's pubilc domain so there'd be no problem checked into the apache
repository as documentation. alternatively, i use a google project for
creative commons presentations so that's another place the content
could be developed.
opinions?
- robert
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> How long are the presentations?
AIUI shortish (less than 30 minutes, possibly 20-20 style)
(which is probably a good starting point if the aim is to generate
awareness given where Esme is)
> Do you want more of a technical focus or use-case focus?
i think the focus needs to be on grabbing new developers
IMHO means really talking about what's cool about Esme and where it's
going. my guess is that some of that's tech, some of that's use case,
and possibly some of that's also history but hopefully people will
jump in...
- robert
AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
How long are the presentations?
Do you want more of a technical focus or use-case focus?
D.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 16. März 2009 11:16
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ...i'll be at ApacheConEU. the
>>> FastFeather track is a good way to attract interest within Apache -
>>> the crowds are small but influential. i think we could pull together a
>>> talk which either myself or Bertrand could give....
>
> Got the answer ApacheCon Planners: the FastFeather track as we know it
> is not happening this year in Amsterdam, but the place for last-minute
> talks is the BarCamp (http://barcamp.org/BarCampApache) which is
> colocated with ApacheCon, Tuesday March 23rd.
>
> I won't be there unfortunately, arriving in Amsterdam Tuesday evening
> only due to other commitments.
i'll be there, and also at BarCampApacheOxford a week or so later. if
the community thinks that it's worthwhile and could find time to help
me write something over the next week or so, then i'd be happy to talk
about Esme.
opinions?
if we want to give this a try, i prefer to use S5 which is based on
HTML, CSS and JavaScript. being text, it plays well with version
control systems. this makes it easier to collaborate on presentations.
it's pubilc domain so there'd be no problem checked into the apache
repository as documentation. alternatively, i use a google project for
creative commons presentations so that's another place the content
could be developed.
opinions?
- robert
Compass Integration - Exception
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
Working on Compass integration via JDBC and I'm getting a strange error.
Does someone has had experience with compass and mysql.
<connection>
<jdbc>
<dataSourceProvider>
<driverManager
url="jdbc:stax://esmeapache?emulateLocators=true"
username="esmeapache" password="xxxx"
driverClass="com.staxnet.jdbc.Driver" />
</dataSourceProvider>
</jdbc>
</connection>
Caused by: org.compass.core.engine.SearchEngineException: Failed to
create index for sub index [message]; nested exception is
org.apache.lucene.store.jdbc.JdbcStoreException: Failed to execute sql
[select name_, 'value_' as x, size_ from index_message where name_ = ?];
nested exception is java.sql.SQLException: "pos" + "length" arguments
can not be larger than the BLOB's length.
at
org.compass.core.lucene.engine.store.DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.crea
teIndex(DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.java:496)
at
org.compass.core.lucene.engine.store.DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.veri
fyIndex(DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.java:532)
at
org.compass.core.lucene.engine.store.DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.veri
fyIndex(DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.java:527)
at
org.compass.core.lucene.engine.store.DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.veri
fyIndex(DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.java:519)
at
org.compass.core.lucene.engine.manager.DefaultLuceneSearchEngineIndexMan
ager$4.doInTransaction(DefaultLuceneSearchEngineIndexManager.java:144)
at
org.compass.core.lucene.engine.manager.DefaultLuceneSearchEngineIndexMan
ager$4.doInTransaction(DefaultLuceneSearchEngineIndexManager.java:142)
at
org.compass.core.impl.DefaultCompass$CompassTransactionContext.execute(D
efaultCompass.java:349)
at
org.compass.core.lucene.engine.manager.DefaultLuceneSearchEngineIndexMan
ager.verifyIndex(DefaultLuceneSearchEngineIndexManager.java:141)
at
org.compass.core.impl.DefaultCompass.<init>(DefaultCompass.java:154)
at
org.compass.core.impl.DefaultCompass.<init>(DefaultCompass.java:113)
at
org.compass.core.impl.DefaultCompass.<init>(DefaultCompass.java:106)
at
org.compass.core.config.CompassConfiguration.buildCompass(CompassConfigu
ration.java:285)
at bootstrap.liftweb.Compass$.<init>(Boot.scala:152)
at bootstrap.liftweb.Compass$.<clinit>(Boot.scala)
... 72 more
Caused by: org.apache.lucene.store.jdbc.JdbcStoreException: Failed to
execute sql [select name_, 'value_' as x, size_ from index_message where
name_ = ?]; nested exception is java.sql.SQLException: "pos" + "length"
arguments can not be larger than the BLOB's length.
at
org.apache.lucene.store.jdbc.support.JdbcTemplate.executeSelect(JdbcTemp
late.java:122)
at
org.apache.lucene.store.jdbc.index.FetchOnBufferReadJdbcIndexInput.refil
l(FetchOnBufferReadJdbcIndexInput.java:58)
at
org.apache.lucene.store.ConfigurableBufferedIndexInput.readByte(Configur
ableBufferedIndexInput.java:27)
at
org.apache.lucene.store.ChecksumIndexInput.readByte(ChecksumIndexInput.j
ava:36)
at
org.apache.lucene.store.IndexInput.readInt(IndexInput.java:68)
at
org.apache.lucene.index.SegmentInfos.read(SegmentInfos.java:221)
at
org.apache.lucene.index.IndexFileDeleter.<init>(IndexFileDeleter.java:17
5)
at
org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.init(IndexWriter.java:1093)
at
org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.<init>(IndexWriter.java:698)
at
org.compass.core.lucene.engine.store.DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.crea
teIndex(DefaultLuceneSearchEngineStore.java:493)
... 85 more
Caused by: java.sql.SQLException: "pos" + "length" arguments can not be
larger than the BLOB's length.
at
com.mysql.jdbc.SQLError.createSQLException(SQLError.java:1055)
at com.mysql.jdbc.SQLError.createSQLException(SQLError.java:956)
at com.mysql.jdbc.SQLError.createSQLException(SQLError.java:926)
at com.mysql.jdbc.Blob.getBytes(Blob.java:142)
at
org.apache.lucene.store.jdbc.index.FetchOnBufferReadJdbcIndexInput.readI
nternal(FetchOnBufferReadJdbcIndexInput.java:132)
at
org.apache.lucene.store.jdbc.index.FetchOnBufferReadJdbcIndexInput.acces
s$1400(FetchOnBufferReadJdbcIndexInput.java:35)
at
org.apache.lucene.store.jdbc.index.FetchOnBufferReadJdbcIndexInput$1.exe
cute(FetchOnBufferReadJdbcIndexInput.java:91)
at
org.apache.lucene.store.jdbc.support.JdbcTemplate.executeSelect(JdbcTemp
late.java:112)
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by David Pollak <fe...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Hirsch, Richard <richard.hirsch@siemens.com
> wrote:
> @David: thanks - the Scala and Lift slides need some help. They aren't sexy
> enough.
I'll work on those.
>
>
> D.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: David Pollak [mailto:feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com]
> Sent: Fri 20.03.2009 16:31
> To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
>
>
>
> Please add feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
> robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Hirsch, Richard
> > <ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> > > How can I edit the information? Or should I just send you the
> information
> > via email?
> >
> > i created opentalkware (a couple of weeks ago) as a space for people
> > to develop talks the way apache develops code after realising that
> > this is how i prefer write talks.
> >
> > checkout from subversion, edit and patch. if you have a google code
> > account (or create one) i'll assign commit karma.
> >
> > - robert
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net <
> http://liftweb.net/>
> Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
> Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp
> Git some: http://github.com/dpp
>
>
>
--
Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net
Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp
Git some: http://github.com/dpp
RE: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
@David: thanks - the Scala and Lift slides need some help. They aren't sexy enough.
D.
________________________________
From: David Pollak [mailto:feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri 20.03.2009 16:31
To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Please add feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Hirsch, Richard
> <ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> > How can I edit the information? Or should I just send you the information
> via email?
>
> i created opentalkware (a couple of weeks ago) as a space for people
> to develop talks the way apache develops code after realising that
> this is how i prefer write talks.
>
> checkout from subversion, edit and patch. if you have a google code
> account (or create one) i'll assign commit karma.
>
> - robert
>
--
Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net <http://liftweb.net/>
Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp
Git some: http://github.com/dpp
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by David Pollak <fe...@gmail.com>.
Please add feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Hirsch, Richard
> <ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> > How can I edit the information? Or should I just send you the information
> via email?
>
> i created opentalkware (a couple of weeks ago) as a space for people
> to develop talks the way apache develops code after realising that
> this is how i prefer write talks.
>
> checkout from subversion, edit and patch. if you have a google code
> account (or create one) i'll assign commit karma.
>
> - robert
>
--
Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net
Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp
Git some: http://github.com/dpp
Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:18 PM, David Pollak
<fe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks. I'll spend time tomorrow jazzing up the Lift and Scala sections.
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
> robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Hirsch, Richard
>> <ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
>> > I just checked and David ( feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com ) still isn't
>> project member (http://code.google.com/p/opentalkware/)
>>
>>
>> apologies - should be now
>>
>> off to catch my flight :-)
was rushing when i created the talk: should have added space for
versioning. going to move it to a trunk subdirectory. apologies for
any disruption.
- robert
Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by David Pollak <fe...@gmail.com>.
Thanks. I'll spend time tomorrow jazzing up the Lift and Scala sections.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Hirsch, Richard
> <ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> > I just checked and David ( feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com ) still isn't
> project member (http://code.google.com/p/opentalkware/)
>
>
> apologies - should be now
>
> off to catch my flight :-)
>
> - robert
>
--
Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net
Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890
Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp
Git some: http://github.com/dpp
Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> I just checked and David ( feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com ) still isn't project member (http://code.google.com/p/opentalkware/)
apologies - should be now
off to catch my flight :-)
- robert
AW: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
Added project ideas.
Slides 4 and 1 still need a little bit of polish. Don't know if Scala and Lift slides are sexy enough. Maybe David, Darren or Vassil have some ideas there.
D.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. März 2009 13:53
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> Just committed additional content. Tried to fill in presentation with some more meat.
looks good from first run through :-)
i plan to go through it again mid-afternoon
> What do we want on slide 3?
a good question :-)
maybe "TODO" - adding a touch of humour but also allows us to look to the future
<aside>
one of the today's meme's for me is that GSOC works because it breaks
out work into projects which people can pick up and do with mentoring.
the current development pattern at Apache works fine for people who
have decided they really want to contribute or who have their own
itch's to scratch. the pattern ignores those who are vaguley
interested in general but haven't any definite plans. i think breaking
out bitesized development projects with mentoring may help to fill
this gap.
</aside>
so, maybe a list of project ideas would work well as a way of showing
where Esme is going
- robert
RE: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
I just checked and David ( feeder.of.the.bears@gmail.com ) still isn't project member (http://code.google.com/p/opentalkware/)
D.
________________________________
From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri 20.03.2009 13:52
To: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> Just committed additional content. Tried to fill in presentation with some more meat.
looks good from first run through :-)
i plan to go through it again mid-afternoon
> What do we want on slide 3?
a good question :-)
maybe "TODO" - adding a touch of humour but also allows us to look to the future
<aside>
one of the today's meme's for me is that GSOC works because it breaks
out work into projects which people can pick up and do with mentoring.
the current development pattern at Apache works fine for people who
have decided they really want to contribute or who have their own
itch's to scratch. the pattern ignores those who are vaguley
interested in general but haven't any definite plans. i think breaking
out bitesized development projects with mentoring may help to fill
this gap.
</aside>
so, maybe a list of project ideas would work well as a way of showing
where Esme is going
- robert
Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> Just committed additional content. Tried to fill in presentation with some more meat.
looks good from first run through :-)
i plan to go through it again mid-afternoon
> What do we want on slide 3?
a good question :-)
maybe "TODO" - adding a touch of humour but also allows us to look to the future
<aside>
one of the today's meme's for me is that GSOC works because it breaks
out work into projects which people can pick up and do with mentoring.
the current development pattern at Apache works fine for people who
have decided they really want to contribute or who have their own
itch's to scratch. the pattern ignores those who are vaguley
interested in general but haven't any definite plans. i think breaking
out bitesized development projects with mentoring may help to fill
this gap.
</aside>
so, maybe a list of project ideas would work well as a way of showing
where Esme is going
- robert
AW: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
FYI. To check-out with SVN, you must use a special generated password - http://code.google.com/hosting/settings
D.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Hirsch, Richard
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. März 2009 13:22
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: AW: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Just committed additional content. Tried to fill in presentation with some more meat.
What do we want on slide 3?
D.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. März 2009 10:06
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Anne Kathrine Petteroe
> <yo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My GoogleCode account: yojibee@gmail.com
>>
>> On 20. mars. 2009, at 08.39, Hirsch, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> GoogleCode account: richard.hirsch@siemens.com
>
> hopefully you should both have access now
>
> let me know if it hasn't worked
(hopefully) commits etc should go to
http://groups.google.com/group/opentalkware-changes (if you want to
subsribe)
- robert
AW: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
Just committed additional content. Tried to fill in presentation with some more meat.
What do we want on slide 3?
D.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. März 2009 10:06
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Anne Kathrine Petteroe
> <yo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My GoogleCode account: yojibee@gmail.com
>>
>> On 20. mars. 2009, at 08.39, Hirsch, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> GoogleCode account: richard.hirsch@siemens.com
>
> hopefully you should both have access now
>
> let me know if it hasn't worked
(hopefully) commits etc should go to
http://groups.google.com/group/opentalkware-changes (if you want to
subsribe)
- robert
Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Anne Kathrine Petteroe
> <yo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My GoogleCode account: yojibee@gmail.com
>>
>> On 20. mars. 2009, at 08.39, Hirsch, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> GoogleCode account: richard.hirsch@siemens.com
>
> hopefully you should both have access now
>
> let me know if it hasn't worked
(hopefully) commits etc should go to
http://groups.google.com/group/opentalkware-changes (if you want to
subsribe)
- robert
Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Anne Kathrine Petteroe
<yo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My GoogleCode account: yojibee@gmail.com
>
> On 20. mars. 2009, at 08.39, Hirsch, Richard wrote:
>
>> GoogleCode account: richard.hirsch@siemens.com
hopefully you should both have access now
let me know if it hasn't worked
- robert
Re: AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Anne Kathrine Petteroe <yo...@gmail.com>.
My GoogleCode account: yojibee@gmail.com
On 20. mars. 2009, at 08.39, Hirsch, Richard wrote:
> GoogleCode account: richard.hirsch@siemens.com
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 20. März 2009 08:33
> An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Hirsch, Richard
> <ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
>> How can I edit the information? Or should I just send you the
>> information via email?
>
> i created opentalkware (a couple of weeks ago) as a space for people
> to develop talks the way apache develops code after realising that
> this is how i prefer write talks.
>
> checkout from subversion, edit and patch. if you have a google code
> account (or create one) i'll assign commit karma.
>
> - robert
AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
GoogleCode account: richard.hirsch@siemens.com
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. März 2009 08:33
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> How can I edit the information? Or should I just send you the information via email?
i created opentalkware (a couple of weeks ago) as a space for people
to develop talks the way apache develops code after realising that
this is how i prefer write talks.
checkout from subversion, edit and patch. if you have a google code
account (or create one) i'll assign commit karma.
- robert
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> How can I edit the information? Or should I just send you the information via email?
i created opentalkware (a couple of weeks ago) as a space for people
to develop talks the way apache develops code after realising that
this is how i prefer write talks.
checkout from subversion, edit and patch. if you have a google code
account (or create one) i'll assign commit karma.
- robert
AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
How can I edit the information? Or should I just send you the information via email?
D.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 23:14
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Anne Kathrine Petteroe
<yo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jumping in on this a bit late, didn't have time to read email at all at
> SXSW.
> Did we move this presentation somewhere to collaborate?
i've uploaded what i have to
http://opentalkware.googlecode.com/svn/talk/EsmeTenReasons/index.html
(svn co https://opentalkware.googlecode.com/svn/talk/EsmeTenReasons).
i generally prefer to work with the report view (move to the right
hand lower corner and click on the slashed 'o' for outline, i
suppose). it's still very rough.
had a think overnight, and thought that - for a short talk aimed at
developers - it'd work best turned around as ten reasons. when i've
attended these events the audience for short presentations tends to be
more general so it's usually best to be more upfront and try to grab
attention.
- robert
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Anne Kathrine Petteroe
<yo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jumping in on this a bit late, didn't have time to read email at all at
> SXSW.
> Did we move this presentation somewhere to collaborate?
i've uploaded what i have to
http://opentalkware.googlecode.com/svn/talk/EsmeTenReasons/index.html
(svn co https://opentalkware.googlecode.com/svn/talk/EsmeTenReasons).
i generally prefer to work with the report view (move to the right
hand lower corner and click on the slashed 'o' for outline, i
suppose). it's still very rough.
had a think overnight, and thought that - for a short talk aimed at
developers - it'd work best turned around as ten reasons. when i've
attended these events the audience for short presentations tends to be
more general so it's usually best to be more upfront and try to grab
attention.
- robert
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Anne Kathrine Petteroe <yo...@gmail.com>.
Jumping in on this a bit late, didn't have time to read email at all
at SXSW.
Did we move this presentation somewhere to collaborate?
/Anne
On 16. mars. 2009, at 15.52, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Hirsch, Richard
> <ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
>> OK. 20 minutes.
>>
>> Suggestion: 10 slides
>
> i'm going to jump in with questions and guesses - please correct
> everything i have wrong
>
>> 1. Goal
>
> in a sentence or two...?
>
> and how does esme fit into the micro-messaging ecosystem?
>
> where does esme fit into the social networking infrastructure?
>
>> 2. History
>
> i seems to me that this is related to the enterprisey thingy: esme is
> an application which could be hosted by a corporation or an individual
> either publically, privately or as a bridge (a bit like a jabber
> server, say), as opposed to a SAAS offering. how wrong is this
> impression?
>
> history - i think - is most useful as a way of understanding the
> motiviating use cases. what are they?
>
> what about different use cases
>
> what value - if any - would esme bring to support groups of system
> administrators?
>
> what about developers? what value does esme bring to development?
>
>> 3. Architecture
>
> AIUI esme is a ensemble of client and server software - one
> micro-messaging server (scala/lift) with a variety of clients
>
> what about bridges to other message servers - twitter? SMS? email?
> jabber?
>
> how does everything fit together?
>
>> 4. Scala
>> 5. Lift
>> 6. Technology Highlights (Comet, etc.)
>
> comet - server push over a HTTP stream previously opened by the
> client...?
>
> used to ensure that message are seen promptly ...?
>
> other highlights?
>
>> 7. Clients - Web - AIR, others
>
> lots of clients
>
> these are still at googlecode, right?
>
> is the intention to host the server here at Apache and foster an
> ecosystem of clients outside?
>
>> 8. REST API
>
> likely to be controversial
>
> <ducks>not sure i'd describe
> http://code.google.com/p/esmeproject/wiki/REST_API_Documantation as
> RESTful</ducks>
>
> has this been developed, or is work still continuing?
>
> how does this relate to the clients? are there any other APIs?
>
>> 9. Why should get involved
>
> top five reasons?
>
>> 10. How you get can involved.
>>
>> How does that sound?
>
> a good start :-)
>
> perhaps a little conventional for the short talk format. for longer
> talks, the people there have (more or less) decided that they want to
> be there. short talks are usually given to general audiences which
> mean it's important to grab their attention.
>
> so, the order and emphasis probably need altering a little towards the
> audience but this can be easily done later
>
> - robert
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> Regarding REST API, Ethan has already moved his first cut to the apache wiki: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ESME/RESTAPI
looks a lot better
i assume that the link on the site needs updating
- robert
AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
Regarding REST API, Ethan has already moved his first cut to the apache wiki: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ESME/RESTAPI
D.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 16. März 2009 15:52
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> OK. 20 minutes.
>
> Suggestion: 10 slides
i'm going to jump in with questions and guesses - please correct
everything i have wrong
> 1. Goal
in a sentence or two...?
and how does esme fit into the micro-messaging ecosystem?
where does esme fit into the social networking infrastructure?
> 2. History
i seems to me that this is related to the enterprisey thingy: esme is
an application which could be hosted by a corporation or an individual
either publically, privately or as a bridge (a bit like a jabber
server, say), as opposed to a SAAS offering. how wrong is this
impression?
history - i think - is most useful as a way of understanding the
motiviating use cases. what are they?
what about different use cases
what value - if any - would esme bring to support groups of system
administrators?
what about developers? what value does esme bring to development?
> 3. Architecture
AIUI esme is a ensemble of client and server software - one
micro-messaging server (scala/lift) with a variety of clients
what about bridges to other message servers - twitter? SMS? email? jabber?
how does everything fit together?
> 4. Scala
> 5. Lift
> 6. Technology Highlights (Comet, etc.)
comet - server push over a HTTP stream previously opened by the client...?
used to ensure that message are seen promptly ...?
other highlights?
> 7. Clients - Web - AIR, others
lots of clients
these are still at googlecode, right?
is the intention to host the server here at Apache and foster an
ecosystem of clients outside?
> 8. REST API
likely to be controversial
<ducks>not sure i'd describe
http://code.google.com/p/esmeproject/wiki/REST_API_Documantation as
RESTful</ducks>
has this been developed, or is work still continuing?
how does this relate to the clients? are there any other APIs?
> 9. Why should get involved
top five reasons?
> 10. How you get can involved.
>
> How does that sound?
a good start :-)
perhaps a little conventional for the short talk format. for longer
talks, the people there have (more or less) decided that they want to
be there. short talks are usually given to general audiences which
mean it's important to grab their attention.
so, the order and emphasis probably need altering a little towards the
audience but this can be easily done later
- robert
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Hirsch, Richard
<ri...@siemens.com> wrote:
> OK. 20 minutes.
>
> Suggestion: 10 slides
i'm going to jump in with questions and guesses - please correct
everything i have wrong
> 1. Goal
in a sentence or two...?
and how does esme fit into the micro-messaging ecosystem?
where does esme fit into the social networking infrastructure?
> 2. History
i seems to me that this is related to the enterprisey thingy: esme is
an application which could be hosted by a corporation or an individual
either publically, privately or as a bridge (a bit like a jabber
server, say), as opposed to a SAAS offering. how wrong is this
impression?
history - i think - is most useful as a way of understanding the
motiviating use cases. what are they?
what about different use cases
what value - if any - would esme bring to support groups of system
administrators?
what about developers? what value does esme bring to development?
> 3. Architecture
AIUI esme is a ensemble of client and server software - one
micro-messaging server (scala/lift) with a variety of clients
what about bridges to other message servers - twitter? SMS? email? jabber?
how does everything fit together?
> 4. Scala
> 5. Lift
> 6. Technology Highlights (Comet, etc.)
comet - server push over a HTTP stream previously opened by the client...?
used to ensure that message are seen promptly ...?
other highlights?
> 7. Clients - Web - AIR, others
lots of clients
these are still at googlecode, right?
is the intention to host the server here at Apache and foster an
ecosystem of clients outside?
> 8. REST API
likely to be controversial
<ducks>not sure i'd describe
http://code.google.com/p/esmeproject/wiki/REST_API_Documantation as
RESTful</ducks>
has this been developed, or is work still continuing?
how does this relate to the clients? are there any other APIs?
> 9. Why should get involved
top five reasons?
> 10. How you get can involved.
>
> How does that sound?
a good start :-)
perhaps a little conventional for the short talk format. for longer
talks, the people there have (more or less) decided that they want to
be there. short talks are usually given to general audiences which
mean it's important to grab their attention.
so, the order and emphasis probably need altering a little towards the
audience but this can be easily done later
- robert
AW: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by "Hirsch, Richard" <ri...@siemens.com>.
OK. 20 minutes.
Suggestion: 10 slides
1. Goal
2. History
3. Architecture
4. Scala
5. Lift
6. Technology Highlights (Comet, etc.)
7. Clients - Web - AIR, others
8. REST API
9. Why should get involved
10. How you get can involved.
How does that sound?
D.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: vdichev@gmail.com [mailto:vdichev@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Vassil Dichev
Gesendet: Montag, 16. März 2009 12:07
An: esme-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
> if we want to give this a try, i prefer to use S5 which is based on
> HTML, CSS and JavaScript. being text, it plays well with version
> control systems. this makes it easier to collaborate on presentations.
> it's pubilc domain so there'd be no problem checked into the apache
> repository as documentation. alternatively, i use a google project for
[...]
> opinions?
S5 is great, I like S5 Reloaded, which has some improvements over S5.
I'm a big fan of reStructuredText
(http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html). It is a very readable
lightweight markup format, which can generate S5 as its output (among
other things). Might work even better for version control.
Re: Esme Presentation...? [WAS Re: The current state of ESME]
Posted by Vassil Dichev <vd...@apache.org>.
> if we want to give this a try, i prefer to use S5 which is based on
> HTML, CSS and JavaScript. being text, it plays well with version
> control systems. this makes it easier to collaborate on presentations.
> it's pubilc domain so there'd be no problem checked into the apache
> repository as documentation. alternatively, i use a google project for
[...]
> opinions?
S5 is great, I like S5 Reloaded, which has some improvements over S5.
I'm a big fan of reStructuredText
(http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html). It is a very readable
lightweight markup format, which can generate S5 as its output (among
other things). Might work even better for version control.