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Posted to dev@iotdb.apache.org by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> on 2019/06/21 05:57:28 UTC

Feedback from board report / onlist discussion

Hi,

In the last board report all of the mentors expressed concerns that there is not enough conversation happening on this mailing list, the board has also expressed the same concern.

I don’t know where the conversation is happening but it needs to be brought back on this mailing list. It’s OK too talk about the project elsewhere, and I know it may be hard for some people to converse in English, but any discussions on direction or decisions need to happen to this list / be brought back to this list so that everyone can be involved in the discussion.

Do the PPMC have any thoughts on this? Do they have any ideas how this can be improved?

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Feedback from board report / onlist discussion

Posted by Julian Feinauer <j....@pragmaticminds.de>.

Hi Xiangdong,

I think its great from you to jump in here.
Just one thing I want to give you on the way with that is, that we should still try to encourage everybody to report himself otherwise it will become a "modus operandi" like that and the project relies (even more) on you.

But it’s a good starter.

Julian

PS.: I obseverd several reports on the list the last days which is a very good thing!

Am 22.06.19, 02:53 schrieb "Xiangdong Huang" <sa...@gmail.com>:

    Hi all,
    
    Lacking discussion on the mailing list is indeed the biggest problem of
    IoTDB now.
    
    Thanks for all your advices.
    
    I think Chris's  "What happened last week" weekly mail is a good way to let
    the community know where IoTDB is going for current situation... I can
    shoulder that.
    
    But, it is not the final solution... Let every committer form the habit to
    show their ideas on the mailing list is the target... Obviously we need
    time to achieve that...
    
    And, we can see that some contributors submitted many  JIRA issues, but
    these issues lack the detailed context. It is also a problem.
    
    Hope we can solve these problems ASAP.
    
    Best,
    -----------------------------------
    Xiangdong Huang
    School of Software, Tsinghua University
    
     黄向东
    清华大学 软件学院
    
    
    Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> 于2019年6月21日周五 下午6:14写道：
    
    > Hi all,
    >
    > 100000 +1 for that Julian
    >
    > For all of you coming to ACNA, I would suggest you come to my "From the
    > Idea to TLP" talk as I will explicitly
    > talk about this process. How we observed things in the PLC4X project and
    > how important, but also how rewarding it can be.
    >
    > Chris
    >
    >
    > Am 21.06.19, 10:13 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <
    > j.feinauer@pragmaticminds.de>:
    >
    >     Hi,
    >
    >     I agree with the sorrows stated.
    >     Perhaps, I can share some of my impressions, coming from a just
    > recently graduated podling.
    >     At first, I didn’t get the whole "if its not on the list, it didn’t
    > happen" thing.
    >     It was kind of annoying and I also know that some people are a bit shy
    > or anxious about writing to such lists.
    >
    >     But as the community grew and more and more people where involved it
    > really helped out to have this central place of communication. For us this
    > was important because we had two "large hubs" one in Frankfurt and one in
    > Nürtingen and the list was what kept them in sync.
    >     And as more and more people are interested in IoTDB here in Europe /
    > Germany a similar situation could emerge.
    >
    >     The whole concept of the incubator (correct me justin if I'm wrong) is
    > about community building (and legal stuff).
    >     So IoTDB will become a mature OS Project if we manage to have a strong
    > and sustainable community backing it.
    >     We have seen what can happen in the Edgent project, where IBM (which
    > was the ONLY driving force behind the project) suddenly stepped back. The
    > project fell into paralysis.
    >
    >     So in some sense, in such a podling, you have to work and document as
    > if you want to make yourself replaceable.
    >
    >     Just my thoughts.
    >
    >     Julian
    >
    >     Am 21.06.19, 09:27 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
    > christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>:
    >
    >         How about someone deeply involved writing up a "What happened last
    > week" email which is sent to the list?
    >
    >         I've caught up things like "Cluster Mode" and other terms that I
    > didn't even know were being worked on
    >         (Actually I now absolutely nothing the community is currently
    > working on)
    >
    >         Chris
    >
    >         Am 21.06.19, 07:57 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <
    > justin@classsoftware.com>:
    >
    >             Hi,
    >
    >             In the last board report all of the mentors expressed concerns
    > that there is not enough conversation happening on this mailing list, the
    > board has also expressed the same concern.
    >
    >             I don’t know where the conversation is happening but it needs
    > to be brought back on this mailing list. It’s OK too talk about the project
    > elsewhere, and I know it may be hard for some people to converse in
    > English, but any discussions on direction or decisions need to happen to
    > this list / be brought back to this list so that everyone can be involved
    > in the discussion.
    >
    >             Do the PPMC have any thoughts on this? Do they have any ideas
    > how this can be improved?
    >
    >             Thanks,
    >             Justin
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

Re: Feedback from board report / onlist discussion

Posted by Xiangdong Huang <sa...@gmail.com>.

Hi all,

Lacking discussion on the mailing list is indeed the biggest problem of
IoTDB now.

Thanks for all your advices.

I think Chris's  "What happened last week" weekly mail is a good way to let
the community know where IoTDB is going for current situation... I can
shoulder that.

But, it is not the final solution... Let every committer form the habit to
show their ideas on the mailing list is the target... Obviously we need
time to achieve that...

And, we can see that some contributors submitted many  JIRA issues, but
these issues lack the detailed context. It is also a problem.

Hope we can solve these problems ASAP.

Best,
-----------------------------------
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> 于2019年6月21日周五 下午6:14写道：

> Hi all,
>
> 100000 +1 for that Julian
>
> For all of you coming to ACNA, I would suggest you come to my "From the
> Idea to TLP" talk as I will explicitly
> talk about this process. How we observed things in the PLC4X project and
> how important, but also how rewarding it can be.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Am 21.06.19, 10:13 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <
> j.feinauer@pragmaticminds.de>:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I agree with the sorrows stated.
>     Perhaps, I can share some of my impressions, coming from a just
> recently graduated podling.
>     At first, I didn’t get the whole "if its not on the list, it didn’t
> happen" thing.
>     It was kind of annoying and I also know that some people are a bit shy
> or anxious about writing to such lists.
>
>     But as the community grew and more and more people where involved it
> really helped out to have this central place of communication. For us this
> was important because we had two "large hubs" one in Frankfurt and one in
> Nürtingen and the list was what kept them in sync.
>     And as more and more people are interested in IoTDB here in Europe /
> Germany a similar situation could emerge.
>
>     The whole concept of the incubator (correct me justin if I'm wrong) is
> about community building (and legal stuff).
>     So IoTDB will become a mature OS Project if we manage to have a strong
> and sustainable community backing it.
>     We have seen what can happen in the Edgent project, where IBM (which
> was the ONLY driving force behind the project) suddenly stepped back. The
> project fell into paralysis.
>
>     So in some sense, in such a podling, you have to work and document as
> if you want to make yourself replaceable.
>
>     Just my thoughts.
>
>     Julian
>
>     Am 21.06.19, 09:27 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>:
>
>         How about someone deeply involved writing up a "What happened last
> week" email which is sent to the list?
>
>         I've caught up things like "Cluster Mode" and other terms that I
> didn't even know were being worked on
>         (Actually I now absolutely nothing the community is currently
> working on)
>
>         Chris
>
>         Am 21.06.19, 07:57 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <
> justin@classsoftware.com>:
>
>             Hi,
>
>             In the last board report all of the mentors expressed concerns
> that there is not enough conversation happening on this mailing list, the
> board has also expressed the same concern.
>
>             I don’t know where the conversation is happening but it needs
> to be brought back on this mailing list. It’s OK too talk about the project
> elsewhere, and I know it may be hard for some people to converse in
> English, but any discussions on direction or decisions need to happen to
> this list / be brought back to this list so that everyone can be involved
> in the discussion.
>
>             Do the PPMC have any thoughts on this? Do they have any ideas
> how this can be improved?
>
>             Thanks,
>             Justin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Feedback from board report / onlist discussion

Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.

Hi all,

100000 +1 for that Julian

For all of you coming to ACNA, I would suggest you come to my "From the Idea to TLP" talk as I will explicitly
talk about this process. How we observed things in the PLC4X project and how important, but also how rewarding it can be.

Chris

Am 21.06.19, 10:13 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <j....@pragmaticminds.de>:

Hi,

I agree with the sorrows stated.
Perhaps, I can share some of my impressions, coming from a just recently graduated podling.
At first, I didn’t get the whole "if its not on the list, it didn’t happen" thing.
It was kind of annoying and I also know that some people are a bit shy or anxious about writing to such lists.

But as the community grew and more and more people where involved it really helped out to have this central place of communication. For us this was important because we had two "large hubs" one in Frankfurt and one in Nürtingen and the list was what kept them in sync.
And as more and more people are interested in IoTDB here in Europe / Germany a similar situation could emerge.

The whole concept of the incubator (correct me justin if I'm wrong) is about community building (and legal stuff).
So IoTDB will become a mature OS Project if we manage to have a strong and sustainable community backing it.
We have seen what can happen in the Edgent project, where IBM (which was the ONLY driving force behind the project) suddenly stepped back. The project fell into paralysis.

So in some sense, in such a podling, you have to work and document as if you want to make yourself replaceable.

Just my thoughts.

Julian

Am 21.06.19, 09:27 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>:

How about someone deeply involved writing up a "What happened last week" email which is sent to the list?

I've caught up things like "Cluster Mode" and other terms that I didn't even know were being worked on
(Actually I now absolutely nothing the community is currently working on)

Chris

Am 21.06.19, 07:57 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <ju...@classsoftware.com>:

Hi,

In the last board report all of the mentors expressed concerns that there is not enough conversation happening on this mailing list, the board has also expressed the same concern.

I don’t know where the conversation is happening but it needs to be brought back on this mailing list. It’s OK too talk about the project elsewhere, and I know it may be hard for some people to converse in English, but any discussions on direction or decisions need to happen to this list / be brought back to this list so that everyone can be involved in the discussion.

Do the PPMC have any thoughts on this? Do they have any ideas how this can be improved?

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Feedback from board report / onlist discussion

Posted by Julian Feinauer <j....@pragmaticminds.de>.

Hi,

So in some sense, in such a podling, you have to work and document as if you want to make yourself replaceable.

Just my thoughts.

Julian

Am 21.06.19, 09:27 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>:

How about someone deeply involved writing up a "What happened last week" email which is sent to the list?

I've caught up things like "Cluster Mode" and other terms that I didn't even know were being worked on
(Actually I now absolutely nothing the community is currently working on)

Chris

Am 21.06.19, 07:57 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <ju...@classsoftware.com>:

Hi,

In the last board report all of the mentors expressed concerns that there is not enough conversation happening on this mailing list, the board has also expressed the same concern.

Do the PPMC have any thoughts on this? Do they have any ideas how this can be improved?

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Feedback from board report / onlist discussion

Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.

How about someone deeply involved writing up a "What happened last week" email which is sent to the list?

I've caught up things like "Cluster Mode" and other terms that I didn't even know were being worked on 
(Actually I now absolutely nothing the community is currently working on)

Chris

Am 21.06.19, 07:57 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <ju...@classsoftware.com>:

    Hi,
    
    In the last board report all of the mentors expressed concerns that there is not enough conversation happening on this mailing list, the board has also expressed the same concern.
    
    I don’t know where the conversation is happening but it needs to be brought back on this mailing list. It’s OK too talk about the project elsewhere, and I know it may be hard for some people to converse in English, but any discussions on direction or decisions need to happen to this list / be brought back to this list so that everyone can be involved in the discussion.
    
    Do the PPMC have any thoughts on this? Do they have any ideas how this can be improved?
    
    Thanks,
    Justin