[RT]Flex Camps

[James Roland Cabresos <j....@gmail.com>]

A Flex camp is one of the things that markets Flex to a community. As 
Adobe still are committed to developing the tool for Flex, I assumed 
that they will still support these camps. Gathering resources today will 
be much more different than it was before. I think every Flex user group 
manager out there is now unsure where to start or how to start. It would 
be good if we have some guide(WIKI) for someone who are planning to 
setup a Flex Camp. What do you think guys?

Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[JP Bader <jp...@zavteq.com>]

In Chicago I guess we've been a bit more proactive.  Every 6 months we
get to give away some software from Adobe (generally the CS package
has been the favorite).  For the upcoming Flex tour, we will get some
cash as well.  However, we have almost never looked to Adobe as a
source for funding, instead relying on a lot of outside sponsorship,
local Flex shops, recruiters, etc.  The Flex ecosystem has always felt
and seemed much bigger than Adobe, so we never relied on them for
assistance.  Just getting to know the big clients in the area, and
getting them on board with some sponsorship always helps.  Spoon
hopefully will be able to assist us in marketing the virtues and
strengths of Flex, and who knows, maybe there should be a 360Spoon
conference?

JP

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Omar Gonzalez
<om...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Keith Sutton <ke...@spoon.as> wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> Digging through groups.adobe.com I found this guideline:
>> http://groups.adobe.com/group/**466 <http://groups.adobe.com/group/466>
>>
>> What I am trying to develop is what life will be like without Adobe $ or
>> presenters around in the not too distant future (months not years). I know
>> from people inside that the community team barely exists now and little if
>> any funding is being put forward for events. This might change for a short
>> period but I believe that will only last as long as it takes to ride out
>> the storm created by their PR nightmare.
>>
>
> Nothing is going to change. In the 2+ years I've been running LAFlash I
> have received funds from Adobe once, for $200. That's pretty pathetic to be
> quite honest. I received far more than that from sponsors my co-manager
> arranged on our own. And shwag... I mean really... I couldn't give it away.
> I literally would put it out in front of everyone and say "Please take this
> stuff.", and they would laugh. So, in my humble opinion, it will not be
> missed. At the least, LAFlash does not rely on or miss any funding from
> Adobe.
>
> And in regard to speakers, pretty much the same thing. I think we've had
> maybe one person and that was around the CS5 launch, the same event I
> received $200 of funding to throw a CS5 party.
>
>
>
>>
>> My experience in the past has been getting $ from Adobe for camps that did
>> not sync-up with some marketing campaign they we executing. From experience
>> it was not that easy to get things and having been involved with organizing
>> camps in San Francisco it was difficult (amazing but true).
>>
>> I can see an organization like Spoon acting in a role similar to Eclipse
>> Foundation and through subscriptions and other fund raising mechanism
>> generate enough to support several camps and events a year. That will take
>> a little time to get going. Easier stuff is to provide a communications and
>> marketing venue to connect with potential event sponsors (ecosystem
>> partners, system integrators, ...), streaming, event announcement support,
>> etc. Guidelines for events would probably specify a certain amount of Flex
>> content, topics, etc.
>>
>> What are your ideas on guidelines? I am interested particularly because
>> you are outside North America.
>>
>> Keith
>
>
> Whatever you can do, Keith, in this area would be truly awesome for user
> groups. I don't think the bar is set too high for providing good support to
> Flex user groups, but that's just my opinion after running a UG for a
> couple of years.
>
> -omar



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Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Keith Sutton <ke...@spoon.as> wrote:

> James,
>
> Digging through groups.adobe.com I found this guideline:
> http://groups.adobe.com/group/**466 <http://groups.adobe.com/group/466>
>
> What I am trying to develop is what life will be like without Adobe $ or
> presenters around in the not too distant future (months not years). I know
> from people inside that the community team barely exists now and little if
> any funding is being put forward for events. This might change for a short
> period but I believe that will only last as long as it takes to ride out
> the storm created by their PR nightmare.
>

Nothing is going to change. In the 2+ years I've been running LAFlash I
have received funds from Adobe once, for $200. That's pretty pathetic to be
quite honest. I received far more than that from sponsors my co-manager
arranged on our own. And shwag... I mean really... I couldn't give it away.
I literally would put it out in front of everyone and say "Please take this
stuff.", and they would laugh. So, in my humble opinion, it will not be
missed. At the least, LAFlash does not rely on or miss any funding from
Adobe.

And in regard to speakers, pretty much the same thing. I think we've had
maybe one person and that was around the CS5 launch, the same event I
received $200 of funding to throw a CS5 party.



>
> My experience in the past has been getting $ from Adobe for camps that did
> not sync-up with some marketing campaign they we executing. From experience
> it was not that easy to get things and having been involved with organizing
> camps in San Francisco it was difficult (amazing but true).
>
> I can see an organization like Spoon acting in a role similar to Eclipse
> Foundation and through subscriptions and other fund raising mechanism
> generate enough to support several camps and events a year. That will take
> a little time to get going. Easier stuff is to provide a communications and
> marketing venue to connect with potential event sponsors (ecosystem
> partners, system integrators, ...), streaming, event announcement support,
> etc. Guidelines for events would probably specify a certain amount of Flex
> content, topics, etc.
>
> What are your ideas on guidelines? I am interested particularly because
> you are outside North America.
>
> Keith


Whatever you can do, Keith, in this area would be truly awesome for user
groups. I don't think the bar is set too high for providing good support to
Flex user groups, but that's just my opinion after running a UG for a
couple of years.

-omar

Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[Keith Sutton <ke...@spoon.as>]

James,

Digging through groups.adobe.com I found this guideline: 
http://groups.adobe.com/group/466

What I am trying to develop is what life will be like without Adobe $ or 
presenters around in the not too distant future (months not years). I 
know from people inside that the community team barely exists now and 
little if any funding is being put forward for events. This might change 
for a short period but I believe that will only last as long as it takes 
to ride out the storm created by their PR nightmare.

My experience in the past has been getting $ from Adobe for camps that 
did not sync-up with some marketing campaign they we executing. From 
experience it was not that easy to get things and having been involved 
with organizing camps in San Francisco it was difficult (amazing but true).

I can see an organization like Spoon acting in a role similar to Eclipse 
Foundation and through subscriptions and other fund raising mechanism 
generate enough to support several camps and events a year. That will 
take a little time to get going. Easier stuff is to provide a 
communications and marketing venue to connect with potential event 
sponsors (ecosystem partners, system integrators, ...), streaming, event 
announcement support, etc. Guidelines for events would probably specify 
a certain amount of Flex content, topics, etc.

What are your ideas on guidelines? I am interested particularly because 
you are outside North America.

Keith

On 2/12/2012 4:14 PM, James Roland Cabresos wrote:
> The move to Apache also held us off what we've planned also. Hopefully
> having these guidelines we can get a good picture for a Flex Camp and pick
> up where we left off.
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM, JP Bader<jp...@zavteq.com>  wrote:
>
>> In Chicago we are hosting Adobe's Christophe Conraets and Digital
>> Primate's Michael Labriola to plug the future of Flex, Spoon, and the
>> future of Adobe's involvement with it.  Before Adobe began the process
>> of moving Flex to Apache, we had actually begun planning a Flex/Flash
>> camp, but have since held off until we have a better idea of where
>> things are going.
>>
>> JP
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski<ni...@spoon.as>
>> wrote:
>>> James,
>>>
>>> I would recommend you talk to the guys at Spoon.  While we haven't ramped
>>> up to do Flex Camps yet, we are in the process of kicking off a roadshow
>>> that may help you out.  Keith is the guy you should be talking to (
>>> keith@spoon.as).  He has been coordinating all of the Spoon UG efforts
>> to
>>> date.
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:45 AM, James Roland Cabresos<
>> j.cabresos@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Yes I am a user group manager. I'm not really looking for funding
>> support
>>>> here in Apache, but just information that this community want to push to
>>>> Flex Camps. Yes we have Adobe contacts, but it's kind of different now
>> as
>>>> Flex is on Apache, it's not enough that we only get the information on
>>>> Adobe's side.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 12 February, 2012 09:27 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/2012 4:13 AM, James Roland Cabresos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A Flex camp is one of the things that markets Flex to a community. As
>>>>>> Adobe still are committed to developing the tool for Flex, I assumed
>> that
>>>>>> they will still support these camps. Gathering resources today will
>> be much
>>>>>> more different than it was before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>   Do Flex Camps still happen?  I would not expect Adobe to put any
>> effort
>>>>> into any such thing.  Although, I was under the impression Adobe gave
>> very
>>>>> little support to Flex Camps beyond sending a "keynoter" and funds to
>> help
>>>>> secure a "Big enough" location.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   I think every Flex user group manager out there is now unsure where to
>>>>>> start or how to start. It would be good if we have some guide(WIKI)
>> for
>>>>>> someone who are planning to setup a Flex Camp. What do you think guys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>   Are you a User Group Manager?  If so, you should know that you have an
>>>>> Adobe Contact and you can ask them about such things.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I don't perceive Apache would support Flex Camps from a funding stand
>>>>> point.  If you want to hold a Flex Camp, I would look towards finding
>> your
>>>>> own Corporate Sponsors.  Or to Spoon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JP Bader
>> Principal
>> Zavteq, Inc.
>> @lordB8r | jp@zavteq.com
>> 608.692.2468
>>

Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[James Roland Cabresos <j....@gmail.com>]

The move to Apache also held us off what we've planned also. Hopefully
having these guidelines we can get a good picture for a Flex Camp and pick
up where we left off.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM, JP Bader <jp...@zavteq.com> wrote:

> In Chicago we are hosting Adobe's Christophe Conraets and Digital
> Primate's Michael Labriola to plug the future of Flex, Spoon, and the
> future of Adobe's involvement with it.  Before Adobe began the process
> of moving Flex to Apache, we had actually begun planning a Flex/Flash
> camp, but have since held off until we have a better idea of where
> things are going.
>
> JP
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>
> wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > I would recommend you talk to the guys at Spoon.  While we haven't ramped
> > up to do Flex Camps yet, we are in the process of kicking off a roadshow
> > that may help you out.  Keith is the guy you should be talking to (
> > keith@spoon.as).  He has been coordinating all of the Spoon UG efforts
> to
> > date.
> >
> > -Nick
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:45 AM, James Roland Cabresos <
> j.cabresos@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes I am a user group manager. I'm not really looking for funding
> support
> >> here in Apache, but just information that this community want to push to
> >> Flex Camps. Yes we have Adobe contacts, but it's kind of different now
> as
> >> Flex is on Apache, it's not enough that we only get the information on
> >> Adobe's side.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sunday, 12 February, 2012 09:27 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2/12/2012 4:13 AM, James Roland Cabresos wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A Flex camp is one of the things that markets Flex to a community. As
> >>>> Adobe still are committed to developing the tool for Flex, I assumed
> that
> >>>> they will still support these camps. Gathering resources today will
> be much
> >>>> more different than it was before.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>  Do Flex Camps still happen?  I would not expect Adobe to put any
> effort
> >>> into any such thing.  Although, I was under the impression Adobe gave
> very
> >>> little support to Flex Camps beyond sending a "keynoter" and funds to
> help
> >>> secure a "Big enough" location.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  I think every Flex user group manager out there is now unsure where to
> >>>> start or how to start. It would be good if we have some guide(WIKI)
> for
> >>>> someone who are planning to setup a Flex Camp. What do you think guys?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>  Are you a User Group Manager?  If so, you should know that you have an
> >>> Adobe Contact and you can ask them about such things.
> >>>
> >>>  I don't perceive Apache would support Flex Camps from a funding stand
> >>> point.  If you want to hold a Flex Camp, I would look towards finding
> your
> >>> own Corporate Sponsors.  Or to Spoon.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> JP Bader
> Principal
> Zavteq, Inc.
> @lordB8r | jp@zavteq.com
> 608.692.2468
>

Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[JP Bader <jp...@zavteq.com>]

In Chicago we are hosting Adobe's Christophe Conraets and Digital
Primate's Michael Labriola to plug the future of Flex, Spoon, and the
future of Adobe's involvement with it.  Before Adobe began the process
of moving Flex to Apache, we had actually begun planning a Flex/Flash
camp, but have since held off until we have a better idea of where
things are going.

JP

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as> wrote:
> James,
>
> I would recommend you talk to the guys at Spoon.  While we haven't ramped
> up to do Flex Camps yet, we are in the process of kicking off a roadshow
> that may help you out.  Keith is the guy you should be talking to (
> keith@spoon.as).  He has been coordinating all of the Spoon UG efforts to
> date.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:45 AM, James Roland Cabresos <j.cabresos@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Yes I am a user group manager. I'm not really looking for funding support
>> here in Apache, but just information that this community want to push to
>> Flex Camps. Yes we have Adobe contacts, but it's kind of different now as
>> Flex is on Apache, it's not enough that we only get the information on
>> Adobe's side.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 12 February, 2012 09:27 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/12/2012 4:13 AM, James Roland Cabresos wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Flex camp is one of the things that markets Flex to a community. As
>>>> Adobe still are committed to developing the tool for Flex, I assumed that
>>>> they will still support these camps. Gathering resources today will be much
>>>> more different than it was before.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Do Flex Camps still happen?  I would not expect Adobe to put any effort
>>> into any such thing.  Although, I was under the impression Adobe gave very
>>> little support to Flex Camps beyond sending a "keynoter" and funds to help
>>> secure a "Big enough" location.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I think every Flex user group manager out there is now unsure where to
>>>> start or how to start. It would be good if we have some guide(WIKI) for
>>>> someone who are planning to setup a Flex Camp. What do you think guys?
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Are you a User Group Manager?  If so, you should know that you have an
>>> Adobe Contact and you can ask them about such things.
>>>
>>>  I don't perceive Apache would support Flex Camps from a funding stand
>>> point.  If you want to hold a Flex Camp, I would look towards finding your
>>> own Corporate Sponsors.  Or to Spoon.
>>>
>>>
>>



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Zavteq, Inc.
@lordB8r | jp@zavteq.com
608.692.2468

Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>]

James,

I would recommend you talk to the guys at Spoon.  While we haven't ramped
up to do Flex Camps yet, we are in the process of kicking off a roadshow
that may help you out.  Keith is the guy you should be talking to (
keith@spoon.as).  He has been coordinating all of the Spoon UG efforts to
date.

-Nick

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:45 AM, James Roland Cabresos <j.cabresos@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Yes I am a user group manager. I'm not really looking for funding support
> here in Apache, but just information that this community want to push to
> Flex Camps. Yes we have Adobe contacts, but it's kind of different now as
> Flex is on Apache, it's not enough that we only get the information on
> Adobe's side.
>
>
> On Sunday, 12 February, 2012 09:27 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
>
>> On 2/12/2012 4:13 AM, James Roland Cabresos wrote:
>>
>>> A Flex camp is one of the things that markets Flex to a community. As
>>> Adobe still are committed to developing the tool for Flex, I assumed that
>>> they will still support these camps. Gathering resources today will be much
>>> more different than it was before.
>>>
>>
>>  Do Flex Camps still happen?  I would not expect Adobe to put any effort
>> into any such thing.  Although, I was under the impression Adobe gave very
>> little support to Flex Camps beyond sending a "keynoter" and funds to help
>> secure a "Big enough" location.
>>
>>
>>  I think every Flex user group manager out there is now unsure where to
>>> start or how to start. It would be good if we have some guide(WIKI) for
>>> someone who are planning to setup a Flex Camp. What do you think guys?
>>>
>>
>>  Are you a User Group Manager?  If so, you should know that you have an
>> Adobe Contact and you can ask them about such things.
>>
>>  I don't perceive Apache would support Flex Camps from a funding stand
>> point.  If you want to hold a Flex Camp, I would look towards finding your
>> own Corporate Sponsors.  Or to Spoon.
>>
>>
>

Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[James Roland Cabresos <j....@gmail.com>]

Yes I am a user group manager. I'm not really looking for funding 
support here in Apache, but just information that this community want to 
push to Flex Camps. Yes we have Adobe contacts, but it's kind of 
different now as Flex is on Apache, it's not enough that we only get the 
information on Adobe's side.

On Sunday, 12 February, 2012 09:27 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> On 2/12/2012 4:13 AM, James Roland Cabresos wrote:
>> A Flex camp is one of the things that markets Flex to a community. As 
>> Adobe still are committed to developing the tool for Flex, I assumed 
>> that they will still support these camps. Gathering resources today 
>> will be much more different than it was before. 
>
>  Do Flex Camps still happen?  I would not expect Adobe to put any 
> effort into any such thing.  Although, I was under the impression 
> Adobe gave very little support to Flex Camps beyond sending a 
> "keynoter" and funds to help secure a "Big enough" location.
>
>
>> I think every Flex user group manager out there is now unsure where 
>> to start or how to start. It would be good if we have some 
>> guide(WIKI) for someone who are planning to setup a Flex Camp. What 
>> do you think guys?
>
>  Are you a User Group Manager?  If so, you should know that you have 
> an Adobe Contact and you can ask them about such things.
>
>  I don't perceive Apache would support Flex Camps from a funding stand 
> point.  If you want to hold a Flex Camp, I would look towards finding 
> your own Corporate Sponsors.  Or to Spoon.
>

Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[Jeffry Houser <je...@dot-com-it.com>]

On 2/12/2012 4:13 AM, James Roland Cabresos wrote:
> A Flex camp is one of the things that markets Flex to a community. As 
> Adobe still are committed to developing the tool for Flex, I assumed 
> that they will still support these camps. Gathering resources today 
> will be much more different than it was before. 

  Do Flex Camps still happen?  I would not expect Adobe to put any 
effort into any such thing.  Although, I was under the impression Adobe 
gave very little support to Flex Camps beyond sending a "keynoter" and 
funds to help secure a "Big enough" location.


> I think every Flex user group manager out there is now unsure where to 
> start or how to start. It would be good if we have some guide(WIKI) 
> for someone who are planning to setup a Flex Camp. What do you think 
> guys?

  Are you a User Group Manager?  If so, you should know that you have an 
Adobe Contact and you can ask them about such things.

  I don't perceive Apache would support Flex Camps from a funding stand 
point.  If you want to hold a Flex Camp, I would look towards finding 
your own Corporate Sponsors.  Or to Spoon.

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Re: [RT]Flex Camps

[Keith Sutton <ke...@spoon.as>]

Good idea, and definitely time to get some guidelines on the rails.

I have also passed on the question to Adobe's community manager to see 
what is their position.

K

On 2/12/2012 1:13 AM, James Roland Cabresos wrote:
> A Flex camp is one of the things that markets Flex to a community. As 
> Adobe still are committed to developing the tool for Flex, I assumed 
> that they will still support these camps. Gathering resources today 
> will be much more different than it was before. I think every Flex 
> user group manager out there is now unsure where to start or how to 
> start. It would be good if we have some guide(WIKI) for someone who 
> are planning to setup a Flex Camp. What do you think guys?
>
>
>