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CentOS 8 EOL
Hi all,
CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year - https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
Regards,
Nicolas Vazquez
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by nu...@li.nux.ro.
IMHO we should not drop support for CentOS Stream, at least not yet.
I do not see any of the other clones becoming properly established or
vetted, in fact it's rather tragi-comical that at this point in time the
most respectable clone is in fact Oracle's..
My 2p
On 2021-12-16 16:40, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -
> https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
>
> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we
> drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
>
> Regards,
> Nicolas Vazquez
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com.INVALID>.
I was not contemplating leaving Linux so your notes about other Linux
options is very relevant.
It sounds like you are not concerned that CentOS Stream will be part of
the QA process for RHEL and have occasional hiccups when updates are
issued to the LTS version.
Ron
On 2021-12-20 06:51, nux@li.nux.ro wrote:
> Hi Ron,
>
> I wouldn't worry about it as much. Although the PR was "managed"
> horribly by RedHat, in technical terms I don't think the situation is
> as dire as it seems.
>
> First of all, CentOS Stream is supported for 5 years, this is as good
> as Ubuntu LTS and knowing RedHat the QA will be much better than
> Canonical's. In fact, CERN deemed it good enough for their use, so if
> Stream is good enough to literally split the atom, then I don't know
> what other endorsement it needs.[1]
>
> Second, there are already many RHEL clones out there, Oracle
> Unbreakable Linux, AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, plenty to choose from.
>
> And if the situation is still too shaky for your boss, then you could
> always go Ubuntu LTS and last, but not least Debian which is super
> stable and also with 5 years life time.
>
> [1] -
> https://indico.cern.ch/event/1070475/contributions/4511844/attachments/2309304/3929738/lfc03-20210915-NoNDA.pdf
>
>
> On 2021-12-16 19:36, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>> As a long-time Centos user, I fear that my company will have to
>> abandon Centos since Centos is going from a stable, tested system to a
>> test bed.
>>
>> This is not really a good move for anyone wanting a reliable
>> production system.
>>
>> It is hard to imaging why anyone would want Centos Steam for
>> production use.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 2021-12-16 11:40, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year
>>> -https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
>>>
>>> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we
>>> drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nicolas Vazquez
>>>
>>>
>>>
--
Ron Wheeler
Artifact Software
438-345-3369
rwheeler@artifact-software.com
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by nu...@li.nux.ro.
Hi Ron,
I wouldn't worry about it as much. Although the PR was "managed"
horribly by RedHat, in technical terms I don't think the situation is as
dire as it seems.
First of all, CentOS Stream is supported for 5 years, this is as good as
Ubuntu LTS and knowing RedHat the QA will be much better than
Canonical's. In fact, CERN deemed it good enough for their use, so if
Stream is good enough to literally split the atom, then I don't know
what other endorsement it needs.[1]
Second, there are already many RHEL clones out there, Oracle Unbreakable
Linux, AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, plenty to choose from.
And if the situation is still too shaky for your boss, then you could
always go Ubuntu LTS and last, but not least Debian which is super
stable and also with 5 years life time.
[1] -
https://indico.cern.ch/event/1070475/contributions/4511844/attachments/2309304/3929738/lfc03-20210915-NoNDA.pdf
On 2021-12-16 19:36, Ron Wheeler wrote:
> As a long-time Centos user, I fear that my company will have to
> abandon Centos since Centos is going from a stable, tested system to a
> test bed.
>
> This is not really a good move for anyone wanting a reliable production
> system.
>
> It is hard to imaging why anyone would want Centos Steam for production
> use.
>
> Ron
>
> On 2021-12-16 11:40, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year
>> -https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
>>
>> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we
>> drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nicolas Vazquez
>>
>>
>>
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com.INVALID>.
As a long-time Centos user, I fear that my company will have to abandon
Centos since Centos is going from a stable, tested system to a test bed.
This is not really a good move for anyone wanting a reliable production
system.
It is hard to imaging why anyone would want Centos Steam for production use.
Ron
On 2021-12-16 11:40, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
>
> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
>
> Regards,
> Nicolas Vazquez
>
>
>
>
>
--
Ron Wheeler
Artifact Software
438-345-3369
rwheeler@artifact-software.com
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>.
4.16.1.0 will be released after CentOS8 EOL date I think it should be dropped from the list of supported distro/hypervisor in the release notes and instead we should mention other EL8 supported distros we support (Rocky Linux, AlmaLinux, etc).
Regards.
________________________________
From: Wei ZHOU <us...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 15:15
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Agree with Daan.
Actually we do not need to make any code change to drop centos8 support, we
just need to update the document
https://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/en/latest/releasenotes/compat.html
users can still use CentOS8 but with their own risk.
-Wei
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 09:44, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> €0,02: Though I agree with Sven and Wei, I would say that we want to
> support as broad a variety of platforms as we can without making any
> guaranties on any of them, unless we get sponsored by the vendors or users
> to do so. This is de facto what we do now, but I think we should make that
> a policy; make sure the code is as generic as possible and help any user
> support their favorite platform. All that said, yes ubuntu and the main
> free RHEL clone is reasonable. We have support for rocky and suse now, in
> different levels of tested "tm" and of course ubuntu.
>
> PS. I don't think we need to drop centos 8. It will get less tlc and
> testing/bashing, but no reason to not let it in and let users make their
> hands dirty on it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 9:13 AM Wei ZHOU <us...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Agree with Sven.
> >
> > CentOS 8 and CentOS Stream 8 are different. We should support CentOS 8 at
> > least in 4.16.1.0, and recommend users to use RHEL or Rocky instead as
> we
> > will drop CentOS 8 support in a future release.
> >
> > -Wei
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 at 21:29, Sven Vogel <S....@ewerk.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > So for what I know is that the last enterprise stable and ready version
> > is
> > > 8.X. After that it will be a stream Version.
> > > A reliable system would be RHEL as a commercial one and Rocky Linux as
> a
> > > exact successor from CentOS or let’s say binary clone from RHEL.
> > >
> > > Since CloudStack support RHEL and in the newest release of Rocky there
> is
> > > no reason to support more CentOS Stream in the future.
> > >
> > > Personally. Rocky takes the place. Gregory Kurtzer a founder from
> CentOS
> > > was too the founder from Rocky Linux. I think it’s a good place in
> > > replacement. The move from Red Hat was Open Source mind not a good
> > decision
> > > but from financial aspect a good move but it was to be expected.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Sven
> > >
> > > __
> > >
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> > > Von: Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com.INVALID>
> > > Gesendet: Monday, December 20, 2021 8:54:25 PM
> > > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Betreff: Re: CentOS 8 EOL
> > >
> > > If you are suggesting that ACS picked a version of Linux, supported it
> > > with an update repo and guaranteed that it would run forever under ACS
> > > as long as you kept up with the ACS published updates, that might solve
> > > a lot of problems for system administrators.
> > > At least there would be a "recommended" Linux that ACS guaranteed would
> > > run under Cloudstack.
> > >
> > > Are there a lot of different functionalities in the various Linux
> > > versions that make a difference when running applications under
> > Cloudstack?
> > >
> > > Can one pick a Linux distribution that would run all the apps that 95%
> > > of Cloudstack users actually need? It seems that a lot of the
> > > differences in Linux distributions are in the desktop apps.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On 2021-12-20 10:18, Nathan McGarvey wrote:
> > > > All/any,
> > > > Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions,
> > I'm
> > > > not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like
> supporting
> > > > CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running.
> You'd
> > > > have to only support the "latest" version as of <date/time>, which
> > might
> > > > be chaos.
> > > >
> > > > Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at
> least
> > > > for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
> > > > 1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and
> > Rocky
> > > > has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
> > > > Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
> > > > manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long
> track
> > > > record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
> > > > actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't
> really
> > > > matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
> > > > what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
> > > > puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS
> requirement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Nathan McGarvey
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -
> > > https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
> > > >>
> > > >> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we
> > > drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Nicolas Vazquez
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ron Wheeler
> > > Artifact Software
> > > 438-345-3369
> > > rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Daan
>
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Wei ZHOU <us...@gmail.com>.
Agree with Daan.
Actually we do not need to make any code change to drop centos8 support, we
just need to update the document
https://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/en/latest/releasenotes/compat.html
users can still use CentOS8 but with their own risk.
-Wei
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 09:44, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> €0,02: Though I agree with Sven and Wei, I would say that we want to
> support as broad a variety of platforms as we can without making any
> guaranties on any of them, unless we get sponsored by the vendors or users
> to do so. This is de facto what we do now, but I think we should make that
> a policy; make sure the code is as generic as possible and help any user
> support their favorite platform. All that said, yes ubuntu and the main
> free RHEL clone is reasonable. We have support for rocky and suse now, in
> different levels of tested "tm" and of course ubuntu.
>
> PS. I don't think we need to drop centos 8. It will get less tlc and
> testing/bashing, but no reason to not let it in and let users make their
> hands dirty on it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 9:13 AM Wei ZHOU <us...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Agree with Sven.
> >
> > CentOS 8 and CentOS Stream 8 are different. We should support CentOS 8 at
> > least in 4.16.1.0, and recommend users to use RHEL or Rocky instead as
> we
> > will drop CentOS 8 support in a future release.
> >
> > -Wei
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 at 21:29, Sven Vogel <S....@ewerk.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > So for what I know is that the last enterprise stable and ready version
> > is
> > > 8.X. After that it will be a stream Version.
> > > A reliable system would be RHEL as a commercial one and Rocky Linux as
> a
> > > exact successor from CentOS or let’s say binary clone from RHEL.
> > >
> > > Since CloudStack support RHEL and in the newest release of Rocky there
> is
> > > no reason to support more CentOS Stream in the future.
> > >
> > > Personally. Rocky takes the place. Gregory Kurtzer a founder from
> CentOS
> > > was too the founder from Rocky Linux. I think it’s a good place in
> > > replacement. The move from Red Hat was Open Source mind not a good
> > decision
> > > but from financial aspect a good move but it was to be expected.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Sven
> > >
> > > __
> > >
> > > Sven Vogel
> > > Senior Manager Research and Development - Cloud and Infrastructure
> > >
> > > EWERK DIGITAL GmbH
> > > Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig
> > > P +49 341 42649 - 99
> > > F +49 341 42649 - 98
> > > S.Vogel@ewerk.com
> > > www.ewerk.com
> > >
> > > Geschäftsführer:
> > > Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Tassilo Möschke
> > > Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 9065
> > >
> > > Support:
> > > +49 341 42649 555
> > >
> > > Zertifiziert nach:
> > > ISO/IEC 27001:2013
> > > DIN EN ISO 9001:2015
> > > DIN ISO/IEC 20000-1:2018
> > >
> > > ISAE 3402 Typ II Assessed
> > >
> > > EWERK-Blog<https://blog.ewerk.com/> | LinkedIn<
> > > https://www.linkedin.com/company/ewerk-group> | Xing<
> > > https://www.xing.com/company/ewerk> | Twitter<
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> > > https://de-de.facebook.com/EWERK.Group/>
> > >
> > >
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> > you.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > Von: Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com.INVALID>
> > > Gesendet: Monday, December 20, 2021 8:54:25 PM
> > > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Betreff: Re: CentOS 8 EOL
> > >
> > > If you are suggesting that ACS picked a version of Linux, supported it
> > > with an update repo and guaranteed that it would run forever under ACS
> > > as long as you kept up with the ACS published updates, that might solve
> > > a lot of problems for system administrators.
> > > At least there would be a "recommended" Linux that ACS guaranteed would
> > > run under Cloudstack.
> > >
> > > Are there a lot of different functionalities in the various Linux
> > > versions that make a difference when running applications under
> > Cloudstack?
> > >
> > > Can one pick a Linux distribution that would run all the apps that 95%
> > > of Cloudstack users actually need? It seems that a lot of the
> > > differences in Linux distributions are in the desktop apps.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On 2021-12-20 10:18, Nathan McGarvey wrote:
> > > > All/any,
> > > > Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions,
> > I'm
> > > > not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like
> supporting
> > > > CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running.
> You'd
> > > > have to only support the "latest" version as of <date/time>, which
> > might
> > > > be chaos.
> > > >
> > > > Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at
> least
> > > > for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
> > > > 1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and
> > Rocky
> > > > has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
> > > > Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
> > > > manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long
> track
> > > > record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
> > > > actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't
> really
> > > > matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
> > > > what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
> > > > puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS
> requirement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Nathan McGarvey
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -
> > > https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
> > > >>
> > > >> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we
> > > drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Nicolas Vazquez
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ron Wheeler
> > > Artifact Software
> > > 438-345-3369
> > > rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Daan
>
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
€0,02: Though I agree with Sven and Wei, I would say that we want to
support as broad a variety of platforms as we can without making any
guaranties on any of them, unless we get sponsored by the vendors or users
to do so. This is de facto what we do now, but I think we should make that
a policy; make sure the code is as generic as possible and help any user
support their favorite platform. All that said, yes ubuntu and the main
free RHEL clone is reasonable. We have support for rocky and suse now, in
different levels of tested "tm" and of course ubuntu.
PS. I don't think we need to drop centos 8. It will get less tlc and
testing/bashing, but no reason to not let it in and let users make their
hands dirty on it.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 9:13 AM Wei ZHOU <us...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agree with Sven.
>
> CentOS 8 and CentOS Stream 8 are different. We should support CentOS 8 at
> least in 4.16.1.0, and recommend users to use RHEL or Rocky instead as we
> will drop CentOS 8 support in a future release.
>
> -Wei
>
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 at 21:29, Sven Vogel <S....@ewerk.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > So for what I know is that the last enterprise stable and ready version
> is
> > 8.X. After that it will be a stream Version.
> > A reliable system would be RHEL as a commercial one and Rocky Linux as a
> > exact successor from CentOS or let’s say binary clone from RHEL.
> >
> > Since CloudStack support RHEL and in the newest release of Rocky there is
> > no reason to support more CentOS Stream in the future.
> >
> > Personally. Rocky takes the place. Gregory Kurtzer a founder from CentOS
> > was too the founder from Rocky Linux. I think it’s a good place in
> > replacement. The move from Red Hat was Open Source mind not a good
> decision
> > but from financial aspect a good move but it was to be expected.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Sven
> >
> > __
> >
> > Sven Vogel
> > Senior Manager Research and Development - Cloud and Infrastructure
> >
> > EWERK DIGITAL GmbH
> > Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig
> > P +49 341 42649 - 99
> > F +49 341 42649 - 98
> > S.Vogel@ewerk.com
> > www.ewerk.com
> >
> > Geschäftsführer:
> > Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Tassilo Möschke
> > Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 9065
> >
> > Support:
> > +49 341 42649 555
> >
> > Zertifiziert nach:
> > ISO/IEC 27001:2013
> > DIN EN ISO 9001:2015
> > DIN ISO/IEC 20000-1:2018
> >
> > ISAE 3402 Typ II Assessed
> >
> > EWERK-Blog<https://blog.ewerk.com/> | LinkedIn<
> > https://www.linkedin.com/company/ewerk-group> | Xing<
> > https://www.xing.com/company/ewerk> | Twitter<
> > https://twitter.com/EWERK_Group> | Facebook<
> > https://de-de.facebook.com/EWERK.Group/>
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> > An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Betreff: Re: CentOS 8 EOL
> >
> > If you are suggesting that ACS picked a version of Linux, supported it
> > with an update repo and guaranteed that it would run forever under ACS
> > as long as you kept up with the ACS published updates, that might solve
> > a lot of problems for system administrators.
> > At least there would be a "recommended" Linux that ACS guaranteed would
> > run under Cloudstack.
> >
> > Are there a lot of different functionalities in the various Linux
> > versions that make a difference when running applications under
> Cloudstack?
> >
> > Can one pick a Linux distribution that would run all the apps that 95%
> > of Cloudstack users actually need? It seems that a lot of the
> > differences in Linux distributions are in the desktop apps.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On 2021-12-20 10:18, Nathan McGarvey wrote:
> > > All/any,
> > > Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions,
> I'm
> > > not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like supporting
> > > CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running. You'd
> > > have to only support the "latest" version as of <date/time>, which
> might
> > > be chaos.
> > >
> > > Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at least
> > > for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
> > > 1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and
> Rocky
> > > has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
> > > Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
> > > manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long track
> > > record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.
> > >
> > > Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
> > > actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't really
> > > matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
> > > what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
> > > puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS requirement.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Nathan McGarvey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -
> > https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
> > >>
> > >> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we
> > drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Nicolas Vazquez
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> > --
> > Ron Wheeler
> > Artifact Software
> > 438-345-3369
> > rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> >
>
--
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Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Wei ZHOU <us...@gmail.com>.
Agree with Sven.
CentOS 8 and CentOS Stream 8 are different. We should support CentOS 8 at
least in 4.16.1.0, and recommend users to use RHEL or Rocky instead as we
will drop CentOS 8 support in a future release.
-Wei
On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 at 21:29, Sven Vogel <S....@ewerk.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> So for what I know is that the last enterprise stable and ready version is
> 8.X. After that it will be a stream Version.
> A reliable system would be RHEL as a commercial one and Rocky Linux as a
> exact successor from CentOS or let’s say binary clone from RHEL.
>
> Since CloudStack support RHEL and in the newest release of Rocky there is
> no reason to support more CentOS Stream in the future.
>
> Personally. Rocky takes the place. Gregory Kurtzer a founder from CentOS
> was too the founder from Rocky Linux. I think it’s a good place in
> replacement. The move from Red Hat was Open Source mind not a good decision
> but from financial aspect a good move but it was to be expected.
>
> Cheers
>
> Sven
>
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> Von: Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com.INVALID>
> Gesendet: Monday, December 20, 2021 8:54:25 PM
> An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: CentOS 8 EOL
>
> If you are suggesting that ACS picked a version of Linux, supported it
> with an update repo and guaranteed that it would run forever under ACS
> as long as you kept up with the ACS published updates, that might solve
> a lot of problems for system administrators.
> At least there would be a "recommended" Linux that ACS guaranteed would
> run under Cloudstack.
>
> Are there a lot of different functionalities in the various Linux
> versions that make a difference when running applications under Cloudstack?
>
> Can one pick a Linux distribution that would run all the apps that 95%
> of Cloudstack users actually need? It seems that a lot of the
> differences in Linux distributions are in the desktop apps.
>
> Ron
>
> On 2021-12-20 10:18, Nathan McGarvey wrote:
> > All/any,
> > Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions, I'm
> > not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like supporting
> > CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running. You'd
> > have to only support the "latest" version as of <date/time>, which might
> > be chaos.
> >
> > Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at least
> > for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
> > 1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and Rocky
> > has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
> > Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
> > manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long track
> > record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.
> >
> > Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
> > actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't really
> > matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
> > what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
> > puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS requirement.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Nathan McGarvey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -
> https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
> >>
> >> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we
> drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Nicolas Vazquez
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> Artifact Software
> 438-345-3369
> rwheeler@artifact-software.com
>
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Sven Vogel <S....@ewerk.com>.
Hi Guys,
So for what I know is that the last enterprise stable and ready version is 8.X. After that it will be a stream Version.
A reliable system would be RHEL as a commercial one and Rocky Linux as a exact successor from CentOS or let’s say binary clone from RHEL.
Since CloudStack support RHEL and in the newest release of Rocky there is no reason to support more CentOS Stream in the future.
Personally. Rocky takes the place. Gregory Kurtzer a founder from CentOS was too the founder from Rocky Linux. I think it’s a good place in replacement. The move from Red Hat was Open Source mind not a good decision but from financial aspect a good move but it was to be expected.
Cheers
Sven
__
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Senior Manager Research and Development - Cloud and Infrastructure
EWERK DIGITAL GmbH
Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig
P +49 341 42649 - 99
F +49 341 42649 - 98
S.Vogel@ewerk.com
www.ewerk.com
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Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Tassilo Möschke
Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 9065
Support:
+49 341 42649 555
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Von: Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com.INVALID>
Gesendet: Monday, December 20, 2021 8:54:25 PM
An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: CentOS 8 EOL
If you are suggesting that ACS picked a version of Linux, supported it
with an update repo and guaranteed that it would run forever under ACS
as long as you kept up with the ACS published updates, that might solve
a lot of problems for system administrators.
At least there would be a "recommended" Linux that ACS guaranteed would
run under Cloudstack.
Are there a lot of different functionalities in the various Linux
versions that make a difference when running applications under Cloudstack?
Can one pick a Linux distribution that would run all the apps that 95%
of Cloudstack users actually need? It seems that a lot of the
differences in Linux distributions are in the desktop apps.
Ron
On 2021-12-20 10:18, Nathan McGarvey wrote:
> All/any,
> Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions, I'm
> not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like supporting
> CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running. You'd
> have to only support the "latest" version as of <date/time>, which might
> be chaos.
>
> Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at least
> for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
> 1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and Rocky
> has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
> Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
> manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long track
> record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.
>
> Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
> actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't really
> matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
> what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
> puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS requirement.
>
>
> Thanks,
> -Nathan McGarvey
>
>
>
>
> On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
>>
>> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nicolas Vazquez
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
--
Ron Wheeler
Artifact Software
438-345-3369
rwheeler@artifact-software.com
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com.INVALID>.
If you are suggesting that ACS picked a version of Linux, supported it
with an update repo and guaranteed that it would run forever under ACS
as long as you kept up with the ACS published updates, that might solve
a lot of problems for system administrators.
At least there would be a "recommended" Linux that ACS guaranteed would
run under Cloudstack.
Are there a lot of different functionalities in the various Linux
versions that make a difference when running applications under Cloudstack?
Can one pick a Linux distribution that would run all the apps that 95%
of Cloudstack users actually need? It seems that a lot of the
differences in Linux distributions are in the desktop apps.
Ron
On 2021-12-20 10:18, Nathan McGarvey wrote:
> All/any,
> Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions, I'm
> not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like supporting
> CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running. You'd
> have to only support the "latest" version as of <date/time>, which might
> be chaos.
>
> Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at least
> for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
> 1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and Rocky
> has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
> Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
> manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long track
> record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.
>
> Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
> actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't really
> matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
> what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
> puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS requirement.
>
>
> Thanks,
> -Nathan McGarvey
>
>
>
>
> On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
>>
>> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nicolas Vazquez
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
--
Ron Wheeler
Artifact Software
438-345-3369
rwheeler@artifact-software.com
Re: CentOS 8 EOL
Posted by Nathan McGarvey <na...@gmail.com>.
All/any,
Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions, I'm
not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like supporting
CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running. You'd
have to only support the "latest" version as of <date/time>, which might
be chaos.
Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at least
for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and Rocky
has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long track
record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.
Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't really
matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS requirement.
Thanks,
-Nathan McGarvey
On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year - https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
>
> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
>
> Regards,
> Nicolas Vazquez
>
>
>
>
>