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Posted to dev@harmony.apache.org by Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> on 2006/03/04 10:46:40 UTC
enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Hi,
There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need them?
Cheers
Jean-Frederic
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
Mark Hindess wrote:
>On 3/7/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Well I am complaining the svn contains binary files that could be
>>"easly" rebuild... Should I propose an additional ant target to build
>>those components?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Done... (for Linux for the moment), please comment
>>
>>
>
>Would you intend for this to be executed as part of the build - e.g.
>replacing the current zlib unzip step with a download and unzip step?
>Or as a once only pre-requisite step?
>
>
My idea is replacing the unzip steps... And I am thinking in other
platforms then i386.
>I'd be a little concerned at the icu "sudo make install" step. You
>might be overwriting someone's existing install which they might not
>be expecting. My Debian install already has icu in /usr and adding
>different version in /usr/local is just
>going to lead to problems since other applications will be expecting
>the version in /usr but might - due to /usr/local/bin/icu-config being
>first in the path - get the harmony installed version.
>
>
Agreed, sudo is just a quick hack, there are 2 options:
- check for existing and if not found build and install it.
- install in a local directory (like $HOME/install).
>Long term, I'd like to see the dependencies use existing installed
>versions of packages where possible. For instance, making use of zlib
>that is a standard component of all major linux distributions. (I
>have a patch to remove zlib from the linux natives already if anyone
>cares. I don't think it really helps unless we also fix the windows
>story.)
>
>In the short term, the current setup is simple and helps control
>differences, which avoids confusion that may be created by picking up
>different versions of these dependencies.
>
>Regards,
> Mark.
>
>--
>Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>
>
>
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>.
On 3/7/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well I am complaining the svn contains binary files that could be
> "easly" rebuild... Should I propose an additional ant target to build
> those components?
> Done... (for Linux for the moment), please comment
Would you intend for this to be executed as part of the build - e.g.
replacing the current zlib unzip step with a download and unzip step?
Or as a once only pre-requisite step?
I'd be a little concerned at the icu "sudo make install" step. You
might be overwriting someone's existing install which they might not
be expecting. My Debian install already has icu in /usr and adding
different version in /usr/local is just
going to lead to problems since other applications will be expecting
the version in /usr but might - due to /usr/local/bin/icu-config being
first in the path - get the harmony installed version.
Long term, I'd like to see the dependencies use existing installed
versions of packages where possible. For instance, making use of zlib
that is a standard component of all major linux distributions. (I
have a patch to remove zlib from the linux natives already if anyone
cares. I don't think it really helps unless we also fix the windows
story.)
In the short term, the current setup is simple and helps control
differences, which avoids confusion that may be created by picking up
different versions of these dependencies.
Regards,
Mark.
--
Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
Tim Ellison wrote:
>Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
>
>
>>Tim Ellison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mark Hindess wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
>>>>>-anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
>>>>>accessed by either build are the README files and:
>>>>>
>>>>>depends/files/java.security
>>>>>
>>>>>That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
>>>>>
>>>>>modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
>>>>>
>>>>>instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Yep... I would prefer to classlib depends directory a readme that tells
>>>>classlib depends on:
>>>>CU4C version 3.4 (how to get and install it).
>>>>ICU4JNI
>>>>FDLIBM
>>>>zlib
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Like this?
>>>http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/harmony/enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends/oss/README.txt?view=markup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Well I am complaining the svn contains binary files that could be
>>"easly" rebuild... Should I propose an additional ant target to build
>>those components?
>>
>>
>
>Sure - send it along.
>
>
Done... (for Linux for the moment), please comment
Cheers
Jean-Frederic
>Thanks
>Tim
>
>
>
>>>>>On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need
>>>>>>them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>>Jean-Frederic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>>>>>IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
> Tim Ellison wrote:
>
>> Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mark Hindess wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
>>>> -anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
>>>> accessed by either build are the README files and:
>>>>
>>>> depends/files/java.security
>>>>
>>>> That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
>>>>
>>>> modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
>>>>
>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yep... I would prefer to classlib depends directory a readme that tells
>>> classlib depends on:
>>> CU4C version 3.4 (how to get and install it).
>>> ICU4JNI
>>> FDLIBM
>>> zlib
>>>
>>
>>
>> Like this?
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/harmony/enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends/oss/README.txt?view=markup
>>
>>
>>
> Well I am complaining the svn contains binary files that could be
> "easly" rebuild... Should I propose an additional ant target to build
> those components?
Sure - send it along.
Thanks
Tim
>>>> On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need
>>>>> them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jean-Frederic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>>>> IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Tim Ellison (t.p.ellison@gmail.com)
IBM Java technology centre, UK.
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
Tim Ellison wrote:
>Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
>
>
>>Mark Hindess wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
>>>-anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
>>>accessed by either build are the README files and:
>>>
>>> depends/files/java.security
>>>
>>>That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
>>>
>>> modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
>>>
>>>instead.
>>>
>>>But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Yep... I would prefer to classlib depends directory a readme that tells
>>classlib depends on:
>>CU4C version 3.4 (how to get and install it).
>>ICU4JNI
>>FDLIBM
>>zlib
>>
>>
>
>
>Like this?
>http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/harmony/enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends/oss/README.txt?view=markup
>
>
Well I am complaining the svn contains binary files that could be
"easly" rebuild... Should I propose an additional ant target to build
those components?
Cheers
Jean-Frederic
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>
>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Jean-Frederic
>>
>>
>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Mark.
>>>
>>>On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need
>>>>them?
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Jean-Frederic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>>>IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by George Harley <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
> Tim Ellison wrote:
>
>> Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mark Hindess wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
>>>> -anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
>>>> accessed by either build are the README files and:
>>>>
>>>> depends/files/java.security
>>>>
>>>> That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
>>>>
>>>> modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
>>>>
>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yep... I would prefer to classlib depends directory a readme that tells
>>> classlib depends on:
>>> CU4C version 3.4 (how to get and install it).
>>> ICU4JNI
>>> FDLIBM
>>> zlib
>>>
>>
>>
>> Like this?
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/harmony/enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends/oss/README.txt?view=markup
>>
>>
>>
> The README.txt doesn't tell how depends/jars/icu4j_3_4.jar is build,
> does it?
The README.txt contains the link to the ICU4J home where the binary jars
may be downloaded from. You can also pick up source and build
instructions from there if you want. Building the icu4j jar should not
have to be done for Harmony.
Best regards,
George
>
> Cheers
>
> Jean-Frederic
>
>> Regards,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Jean-Frederic
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mark.
>>>>
>>>> On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need
>>>>> them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jean-Frederic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>>>> IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
Tim Ellison wrote:
>Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
>
>
>>Mark Hindess wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
>>>-anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
>>>accessed by either build are the README files and:
>>>
>>> depends/files/java.security
>>>
>>>That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
>>>
>>> modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
>>>
>>>instead.
>>>
>>>But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Yep... I would prefer to classlib depends directory a readme that tells
>>classlib depends on:
>>CU4C version 3.4 (how to get and install it).
>>ICU4JNI
>>FDLIBM
>>zlib
>>
>>
>
>
>Like this?
>http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/harmony/enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends/oss/README.txt?view=markup
>
>
The README.txt doesn't tell how depends/jars/icu4j_3_4.jar is build,
does it?
Cheers
Jean-Frederic
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>
>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Jean-Frederic
>>
>>
>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Mark.
>>>
>>>On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need
>>>>them?
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Jean-Frederic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>>>IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
> Mark Hindess wrote:
>
>> Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
>> -anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
>> accessed by either build are the README files and:
>>
>> depends/files/java.security
>>
>> That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
>>
>> modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
>>
>> instead.
>>
>> But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
>>
>>
> Yep... I would prefer to classlib depends directory a readme that tells
> classlib depends on:
> CU4C version 3.4 (how to get and install it).
> ICU4JNI
> FDLIBM
> zlib
Like this?
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/harmony/enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends/oss/README.txt?view=markup
Regards,
Tim
> Cheers
>
> Jean-Frederic
>
>> Regards,
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need
>>> them?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jean-Frederic
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>> IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Tim Ellison (t.p.ellison@gmail.com)
IBM Java technology centre, UK.
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
It would be nicer if it was automated. We'll evolve, but are trying to
make it simple to get and build and play with.
Jean-frederic Clere wrote:
> Mark Hindess wrote:
>
>> Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
>> -anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
>> accessed by either build are the README files and:
>>
>> depends/files/java.security
>>
>> That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
>>
>> modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
>>
>> instead.
>>
>> But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
>>
>>
> Yep... I would prefer to classlib depends directory a readme that tells
> classlib depends on:
> CU4C version 3.4 (how to get and install it).
> ICU4JNI
> FDLIBM
> zlib
>
> Cheers
>
> Jean-Frederic
>
>> Regards,
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need
>>> them?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jean-Frederic
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>> IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
Mark Hindess wrote:
>Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
>-anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
>accessed by either build are the README files and:
>
> depends/files/java.security
>
>That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
>
> modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
>
>instead.
>
>But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
>
>
Yep... I would prefer to classlib depends directory a readme that tells
classlib depends on:
CU4C version 3.4 (how to get and install it).
ICU4JNI
FDLIBM
zlib
Cheers
Jean-Frederic
>Regards,
> Mark.
>
>On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need them?
>>
>>Cheers
>>Jean-Frederic
>>
>>
>
>--
>Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
>IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
>
>
>
Re: enhanced/classlib/trunk/depends
Posted by Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>.
Using "touch .now; sleep 2; (cd make; ant) ; find depends ... \!
-anewer .now" on both builds shows that the only files that aren't
accessed by either build are the README files and:
depends/files/java.security
That probably isn't needed since the build uses:
modules/security/src/java.home/lib/security/java.security
instead.
But that's the only one that's obviously redundant.
Regards,
Mark.
On 04/03/06, Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There are a lot of objects in this repos directory, do we really need them?
>
> Cheers
> Jean-Frederic
--
Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.